Re: Slide projectors
Hey Bill, where is all this out of date film? I could use some bargains. First time you mentioned it I jumped on Ebay, surely there would be a lot of film bargains there. Damn all that film must have been sold already. In fact why don't all you guys who know film is dead send my your useless stocks of film. I will take your useless 35mm, 120, and 4x5 film and make pictures with it. Slide projection has been dying for years. Many slide shows in the past 20 years have been put on video tape and shown on a TV screen. -- Bill Owens wrote: This is not an improvement. I understand that Kodak must transition to digital along with everyone else, but some parts of that transition may be going to quickly. Was Kodak losing money on slide projectors? It seems to me that there will be demand for them for some time, if only for luddites like me who want our images actually to look good on a screen. Why buy quality gear, quality film, and work on becoming a good photographer only to have low quality projection equipment? Joe Losing money? In the long haul, probably yes. As much as it may be distressing to some, these companies are in business to turn a profit. No profit, no money for future RD, no RD, no future products. With tens of thousands of rolls of film going out of date daily, film camera sales declining, and the digital handwriting on the wall becoming more legible everyday, why should manufacturers continue to hold on to old technology that's not making money for them. Bill -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Slide projectors
According to a knowledgeable source, Ritz Camera averages 10,000 rolls a day nationwide going out of date daily. Bill - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: Re: Slide projectors Hey Bill, where is all this out of date film? I could use some bargains. First time you mentioned it I jumped on Ebay, surely there would be a lot of film bargains there. Damn all that film must have been sold already. In fact why don't all you guys who know film is dead send my your useless stocks of film. I will take your useless 35mm, 120, and 4x5 film and make pictures with it. Slide projection has been dying for years. Many slide shows in the past 20 years have been put on video tape and shown on a TV screen. -- Bill Owens wrote: This is not an improvement. I understand that Kodak must transition to digital along with everyone else, but some parts of that transition may be going to quickly. Was Kodak losing money on slide projectors? It seems to me that there will be demand for them for some time, if only for luddites like me who want our images actually to look good on a screen. Why buy quality gear, quality film, and work on becoming a good photographer only to have low quality projection equipment? Joe Losing money? In the long haul, probably yes. As much as it may be distressing to some, these companies are in business to turn a profit. No profit, no money for future RD, no RD, no future products. With tens of thousands of rolls of film going out of date daily, film camera sales declining, and the digital handwriting on the wall becoming more legible everyday, why should manufacturers continue to hold on to old technology that's not making money for them. Bill -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
RE: Slide projectors
Graywolf wrote: Slide projection has been dying for years. Not round these parts. Some of my friends shoot more slide film than ever before. Many slide shows in the past 20 years have been put on video tape and shown on a TV screen. Yet more equipment; Betamax or the Phillips system :) Malcolm
Re: Slide projectors
What I really like is this idea that we (amateur photographers) are a major force in the marketplace. A company like, say, GM probably throws out more slide projectors in a day then all of us on this list together will buy in our entire lifetimes. I love projected slides, but I don't think that will keep Kodak in the business. On any day you will probably find more than a 100 current listings for slide projectors under $100 on Ebay, so why pay $300-400 for a new one, and if we won't who will? The corporate and educational markets, the major ones, for slide projectors are dead. -- Malcolm Smith wrote: Not round these parts. Some of my friends shoot more slide film than ever before. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Slide projectors
graywolf wrote: What I really like is this idea that we (amateur photographers) are a major force in the marketplace. A company like, say, GM probably throws out more slide projectors in a day then all of us on this list together will buy in our entire lifetimes. I love projected slides, but I don't think that will keep Kodak in the business. On any day you will probably find more than a 100 current listings for slide projectors under $100 on Ebay, so why pay $300-400 for a new one, and if we won't who will? The corporate and educational markets, the major ones, for slide projectors are dead. Yup, I'm guilty! I just purchased a Kodak Auto-focus Ektagraphic III AM last night on eBay for a less than $100 and includes the remote, lamp, 102mm f/2.8 lens, and one tray. This projector sold for over $450 when new without the lens! -- Gary -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.1.0 - Release Date: 11/14/2003
RE: Slide projectors
Graywolf wrote: What I really like is this idea that we (amateur photographers) are a major force in the marketplace. A company like, say, GM probably throws out more slide projectors in a day then all of us on this list together will buy in our entire lifetimes. I love projected slides, but I don't think that will keep Kodak in the business. On any day you will probably find more than a 100 current listings for slide projectors under $100 on Ebay, so why pay $300-400 for a new one, and if we won't who will? The corporate and educational markets, the major ones, for slide projectors are dead. An interesting reply and I hear what you say. However, as an amateur photographer I can pop into my local newsagent and always see a couple of different camera magazines and at a big newsagent loads of different titles. These often run full page colour adverts tempting me to buy a manufactures film or new film camera. This isn't free for them! As you say, for the major corporate markets we may well be small beer, but come a slow down in such a companies sales, the I.T. and training depts are usually the first to be starved of funds, but at least amateur photographers provide a dependable and steady income. All things change in time, but technologies that work hang around long after their perceived sell by date (video cameras being the death of photography as a case in point or floppy discs demising after the CD). Now digital will kill film. Can't see it myself for a good few years yet, although it may end up as an order up product. Thanks for the comments on eBay prices on slide projectors. I just hope I don't end up in a bidding war on an MF version with Jostein g. Malcolm
Re: Slide projectors
In a previous message graywolf said Slide projection has been dying for years. Many slide shows in the past 20 years have been put on video tape and shown on a TV screen. I can remember when every salesman that came to pitch something to our company either brought a slide projector or called ahead to make sure we had one. Kodak Carousel projectors were so common that I don't think anyone ever asked if we had the right kind of projector, it was assumed. Now, I can't remember the last time a salesman brought slides. It has to be at least ten years since I've seen one. Presentations have been composed in Microsoft's Powerpoint and projected from laptop computers for many years. Sales presentations alone must have been a huge part of the slide projector market. See you later, gs --
Re: Slide projectors
Hi, Saturday, November 15, 2003, 10:48:11 PM, you wrote: [...] Now, I can't remember the last time a salesman brought slides. It has to be at least ten years since I've seen one. Presentations have been composed in Microsoft's Powerpoint and projected from laptop computers for many years. Things are so much better now since God gave us Powerpoint: http://www.norvig.com/Gettysburg/index.htm -- Cheers, Abe
Re: Slide projectors
not if you are laid off, which happens at about the same time they cut back on insert your favorite office hardware here around here. Herb - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: RE: Slide projectors As you say, for the major corporate markets we may well be small beer, but come a slow down in such a companies sales, the I.T. and training depts are usually the first to be starved of funds, but at least amateur photographers provide a dependable and steady income.
Out of date film (was Re: Slide projectors)
Previously written: According to a knowledgeable source, Ritz Camera averages 10,000 rolls a day nationwide going out of date daily. Bill That sounds high. I worked for Ritz for a year and a half in a fairly high volume store. In that time we had maybe 30-40 rolls go out of date, mostly 100 speed house brand and the little MF film we carried. Unless the warehouse has film rotting in it I would guess maybe 10-20K a year, not a day. 10 k a day would be 3.65 million rolls a year Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: Slide projectors
. Marnie aka Doe wrote: Guess they are. Now if we could just get the stats on how many of those PShooters are printing their own prints or having a lab do them. I take my negative film to a minilab that has had a great reputation for a long time. They process a lot of color neg film for local pros and wedding photographers as well as the point and shoot contingent. They tell me they're busier than ever, and more than half of their business is printing digital. However almost all the digital is PS. I assume that the pros do their own. Paul
Re: Slide projectors
As much as it may be distressing to some, these companies are in business to turn a profit. No profit, no money for future RD, no RD, no future products. With tens of thousands of rolls of film going out of date daily, film camera sales declining, and the digital handwriting on the wall becoming more legible everyday, why should manufacturers continue to hold on to old technology that's not making money for them. When I submitted my lament this morning I knew someone would post this reply. It reads exactly as I expected, nearly to the word. Can't a person simply lament without getting a worn-out lecture? Save this one for cliche month. Joe
