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Holy Mackerel... specs sound huge beyond portability - what is the intended use? Cheers Ecke 2010/2/8 Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com: Ok, so I've come across an AMAZING deal, on an awesome machine! AND so my hubby and I are each going to buy one! Lol. This is it: the Asus G73 - due for release in February! Specs are: Processor Intel® Core™ i7 720QM 1.60-2.80GHz Processor RAM 8GB DDR3 1066Mhz system memory Hard Drive 1TB 7200RPM, (in the form of 2 x 500gb drives) BLU-RAY Super Multi 8X DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Support Screen Size 17.3-inch HD LED BACKLIT (1920x1080) Graphics Card ATI HD5870 1GB Dedicated Graphics Networking 802.11b/g/n WLAN, 10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN, Bluetooth Operating System Windows® 7 Home Premium Special Feature Inbuilt WebCam, HD Audio stereo speakers Condition Brand New in Box, Bonus Backpack + Mouse Weight 3.52KG Plus a whole slew of other cool stuff! All for about aud$2500 delivered! So, what is the general concensus, do you think it will be able to do what I need it to? Tan. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 4:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: laptops again... Looks pretty good to me. I have had a few Sonys over the years and they have been good. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My current MacBook Pro 15 inch working solidly for just over 2 years professionally. I will run it for 3 before moving up (length of Applecare warranty). It will go to my wife who currently uses a Powerbook G3 Pismo first purchased in 2000, still going strong, though pretty much useless for video, it does everything else required of it. I have loads of spares in the cupboard inc 2 screens. Real workhorse that one. Has removable bays which currently house 2 hi-cap batteries. She only recharges it at night, and it will go for 12 hours solid on battery! When cooking video, my MBP will die after an hour -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Monday, February 8, 2010, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: What do you guys think of this? I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus, vs HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top wrt stability and overall failures, so thought that this new model Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can afford it too, which is always nice! personaly, a laptop for me is either a mac or a thinkpad. Outside of these, I won't buy any even at half the price. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Tanya Love What do you guys think of this? I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus, vs HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top wrt stability and overall failures, so thought that this new model Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can afford it too, which is always nice! http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg Thoughts and advice? I'm pretty down on Sony consumer electronics. Every one I've ever bought lasted just about a day longer than the warranty. I've got a Toshiba laptop I'm mostly happy with, particularly what I had to pay for it; lot of bang for the buck. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:13:00AM +1000, Tanya Love scripsit: The reason I want such a high spec'd system is because it will be a long time before I can afford to upgrade again and I really need this to be able to work well for at least the next 3-4 years without the risk of becoming outdated. If you can get it retail, it's outdated. Laptops have a half life around 1 year (a bit less, around 11 months, last time I looked at stats.) 4 years is 4 half-lives, one chance in 16 of making it that far in time. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 04:40:19PM -0500, Graydon wrote: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:13:00AM +1000, Tanya Love scripsit: The reason I want such a high spec'd system is because it will be a long time before I can afford to upgrade again and I really need this to be able to work well for at least the next 3-4 years without the risk of becoming outdated. If you can get it retail, it's outdated. Laptops have a half life around 1 year (a bit less, around 11 months, last time I looked at stats.) 4 years is 4 half-lives, one chance in 16 of making it that far in time. Well, my last laptop lasted me 6 years. I'm going to clean off all the junk and either do a clean reinstall of windows or (more likely) put Linux on it; the biggest drawback it has is a max memory configuration of 1GB, but Linux will run just fine in that. A 2.4GHz Pentium 4 is still a decent amount of CPU power for everyday use, and 1400 x 1050 isn't to be sneezed at. I don't know how Australian prices compare to US prices, but I've always thought that buying at the cutting edge made very little sense. You can easily double the price of the machine for perhaps a 20% increase in power for most tasks. I think you're much better off buying a cheaper machine today. If you really need more power then you'll be able to replace it in two or three years for about the amount of money you saved (assuming, of course, that you haven't spent the money on something else such as a lens). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-09 16:33 , John Francis wrote: Laptops have a half life around 1 year (a bit less, around 11 months, last time I looked at stats.) my previous MacBook Pro (3 years, 1 month old) has just taken over from an iMac G5 as our home server for backups, iTunes and document scanning; my old 12 PowerBook G4 (5+ years) is still going strong as my partner's laptop, and it served both her and her brother daily for about a year; now that the brother has moved out, we had hoped to give him my partner's previous laptop, a Pismo PowerBook G3 (9+ years old), but it hadn't been started in a year or so and something has gone askew in the power train; fixable, i expect; not going to do much Lightroom on that last one, but the G4 holds up well with Mac OS X 10.5 and iPhoto 09 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-09 16:45 , they whom i call myself wrote: On 2010-02-09 16:33 , John Francis wrote: oopsie - that bit i quoted was actually from Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My previous laptop Fujitsu N5010 lasted for 6 years - backlight finally died. Otherwise it still works. My Sony laptop before that lasted about 4 years. I must be bucking the stats a bit. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:45:58 PM, you wrote: sh On 2010-02-09 16:33 , John Francis wrote: Laptops have a half life around 1 year (a bit less, around 11 months, last time I looked at stats.) sh my previous MacBook Pro (3 years, 1 month old) has just taken over from sh an iMac G5 as our home server for backups, iTunes and document scanning; sh my old 12 PowerBook G4 (5+ years) is still going strong as my partner's sh laptop, and it served both her and her brother daily for about a year; sh now that the brother has moved out, we had hoped to give him my sh partner's previous laptop, a Pismo PowerBook G3 (9+ years old), but it sh hadn't been started in a year or so and something has gone askew in the sh power train; fixable, i expect; not going to do much Lightroom on that sh last one, but the G4 holds up well with Mac OS X 10.5 and iPhoto 09 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My daughter had an IBook G3 that she used in college for a couple of years. I used it for three or four years after that. She dropped it a few times, and it had some physical damage. The screen connection finally broke, but it had a good, long life. Paul On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: My previous laptop Fujitsu N5010 lasted for 6 years - backlight finally died. Otherwise it still works. My Sony laptop before that lasted about 4 years. I must be bucking the stats a bit. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 3:45:58 PM, you wrote: sh On 2010-02-09 16:33 , John Francis wrote: Laptops have a half life around 1 year (a bit less, around 11 months, last time I looked at stats.) sh my previous MacBook Pro (3 years, 1 month old) has just taken over from sh an iMac G5 as our home server for backups, iTunes and document scanning; sh my old 12 PowerBook G4 (5+ years) is still going strong as my partner's sh laptop, and it served both her and her brother daily for about a year; sh now that the brother has moved out, we had hoped to give him my sh partner's previous laptop, a Pismo PowerBook G3 (9+ years old), but it sh hadn't been started in a year or so and something has gone askew in the sh power train; fixable, i expect; not going to do much Lightroom on that sh last one, but the G4 holds up well with Mac OS X 10.5 and iPhoto 09 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Personal computers are refreshed three times a year, January, June in time for back-to-school and September for the holiday season. jm -- From: Graydon o...@uniserve.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:40 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: laptops again... On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 10:13:00AM +1000, Tanya Love scripsit: The reason I want such a high spec'd system is because it will be a long time before I can afford to upgrade again and I really need this to be able to work well for at least the next 3-4 years without the risk of becoming outdated. If you can get it retail, it's outdated. Laptops have a half life around 1 year (a bit less, around 11 months, last time I looked at stats.) 4 years is 4 half-lives, one chance in 16 of making it that far in time. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 04:45:58PM -0700, steve harley scripsit: On 2010-02-09 16:33 , John Francis wrote: Laptops have a half life around 1 year (a bit less, around 11 months, last time I looked at stats.) my previous MacBook Pro (3 years, 1 month old) has just taken over from an iMac G5 as our home server for backups, iTunes and document scanning; my old 12 PowerBook G4 (5+ years) is still going strong as my partner's laptop, and it served both her and her brother daily for about a year; now that the brother has moved out, we had hoped to give him my partner's previous laptop, a Pismo PowerBook G3 (9+ years old), but it hadn't been started in a year or so and something has gone askew in the power train; fixable, i expect; not going to do much Lightroom on that last one, but the G4 holds up well with Mac OS X 10.5 and iPhoto 09 Yup. It happens. There's a difference between it happens and you should make business planning decisions on this basis. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 9, 2010, at 18:17, Bruce Dayton wrote: My previous laptop Fujitsu N5010 lasted for 6 years - backlight finally died. Otherwise it still works. My Sony laptop before that lasted about 4 years. I must be bucking the stats a bit. Last time I had a backlight go out on a generic laptop (seriously, it didn't have a real brand!!) I was able to order a replacement tube and install it to give me another couple years on the machine. If you REALLY LOVE your Fujitsu you can bring it back to life for probably $40 or so. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it - probably worth doing. It was a good machine. -- Best regards, Bruce Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 7:51:19 PM, you wrote: CR On Feb 9, 2010, at 18:17, Bruce Dayton wrote: My previous laptop Fujitsu N5010 lasted for 6 years - backlight finally died. Otherwise it still works. My Sony laptop before that lasted about 4 years. I must be bucking the stats a bit. CR Last time I had a backlight go out on a generic laptop CR (seriously, it didn't have a real brand!!) I was able to order a CR replacement tube and install it to give me another couple years on CR the machine. If you REALLY LOVE your Fujitsu you can bring it CR back to life for probably $40 or so. CR -Charles CR -- CR Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com CR Minneapolis, MN CR http://charles.robinsontwins.org CR http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ok, so I've come across an AMAZING deal, on an awesome machine! AND so my hubby and I are each going to buy one! Lol. This is it: the Asus G73 - due for release in February! Specs are: ProcessorIntel® Core™ i7 720QM 1.60-2.80GHz Processor RAM8GB DDR3 1066Mhz system memory Hard Drive1TB 7200RPM, (in the form of 2 x 500gb drives) BLU-RAY Super Multi 8X DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Support Screen Size17.3-inch HD LED BACKLIT (1920x1080) Graphics CardATI HD5870 1GB Dedicated Graphics Networking802.11b/g/n WLAN, 10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN, Bluetooth Operating SystemWindows® 7 Home Premium Special FeatureInbuilt WebCam, HD Audio stereo speakers ConditionBrand New in Box, Bonus Backpack + Mouse Weight3.52KG Plus a whole slew of other cool stuff! All for about aud$2500 delivered! So, what is the general concensus, do you think it will be able to do what I need it to? Tan. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 4:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: laptops again... Looks pretty good to me. I have had a few Sonys over the years and they have been good. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/8 Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com: This is it: the Asus G73 - due for release in February! [...] So, what is the general concensus, do you think it will be able to do what I need it to? 3.25 kg? hmmm... What i need is a kind of thing very much up to personal expectations. Hard to tell from up here in the Frostpit if you'll be satisfied with it. However it's a very low weight for the specs. I suspect it will come with a rather large power supply and a rather modest battery. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/8 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: 3.25 kg? hmmm... Correction; 3.52 kg. Doesn't alter my consideration, though. What i need is a kind of thing very much up to personal expectations. Hard to tell from up here in the Frostpit if you'll be satisfied with it. However it's a very low weight for the specs. I suspect it will come with a rather large power supply and a rather modest battery. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Tanya Love Subject: laptops again... What do you guys think of this? I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus, vs HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top wrt stability and overall failures, so thought that this new model Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can afford it too, which is always nice! http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg Thoughts and advice? I wouldn't trust Sony to not have a clause on the 400 page EULA that gives them rights to all your content and a root kit to send said content home to Sony. Friends don't let friends buy Sony. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-08 1:03, John Francis wrote: I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony. They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad). I'm with you on this one, John. I have even avoided BluRay so far to avoid having the license fees go to Sony. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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(Alice in Wonderland) Alice: Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here? The Cat: That depends a good deal on where you want to get to Alice: I don't much care where. The Cat: Then it doesn't much matter which way you go. Alice: ...so long as I get somewhere. The Cat: Oh, you're sure to do that, if only you walk long enough. So, what is the general concensus, do you think it will be able to do what I need it to? It depends on what you need it to do. :-) Due to its weight, - it could be great as a paper weight, but depending on the build quality, it may not be suitable as a hammer. :-) E.g. I have different requirements for a laptop - it should be very mobile (as in light and small) while being able to do reasonable work (heavy-PS is not required, but light PS work is needed, and many applications need to be open at the same time). That's why I am waiting for Fujitsu P8110/P770: https://sp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/docs/ds-lifebook-p8110.pdf http://www.fujitsu.com/hk/news/pr/fpcap_20100107-03.html Igor Mon Feb 8 02:03:38 CST 2010 Tanya Love wrote: Ok, so I've come across an AMAZING deal, on an awesome machine! AND so my hubby and I are each going to buy one! Lol. This is it: the Asus G73 - due for release in February! Specs are: ProcessorIntel. Core. i7 720QM 1.60-2.80GHz Processor RAM8GB DDR3 1066Mhz system memory Hard Drive1TB 7200RPM, (in the form of 2 x 500gb drives) BLU-RAY Super Multi 8X DVD.R/RW with Double Layer Support Screen Size17.3-inch HD LED BACKLIT (1920x1080) Graphics CardATI HD5870 1GB Dedicated Graphics Networking802.11b/g/n WLAN, 10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN, Bluetooth Operating SystemWindows. 7 Home Premium Special FeatureInbuilt WebCam, HD Audio stereo speakers ConditionBrand New in Box, Bonus Backpack + Mouse Weight3.52KG Plus a whole slew of other cool stuff! All for about aud$2500 delivered! So, what is the general concensus, do you think it will be able to do what I need it to? Tan. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-02-08 1:03, John Francis wrote: I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony. They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad). I'm with you on this one, John. I have even avoided BluRay so far to avoid having the license fees go to Sony. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? I couldn't work without my BluRay earpiece. It's the only way I can do interviews over the phone and type notes at the same time. And a wireless mouse and keyboard are a big plus. If I boycotted the products of every company that had ever wronged consumers, Id be living in a cave. But I'm not an IT guy, and what Sony does probably is nowhere near as important to me as it is to you. Paul -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think you are getting your blues mixed up. Blueray is a high definition DVD. Bluetooth is a method of implementing wireless technology, commonly used in headsets with cell phones, but also keyboards, mice, printers and many others. jm - Original Message - From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: Re: laptops again... On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-02-08 1:03, John Francis wrote: I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony. They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad). I'm with you on this one, John. I have even avoided BluRay so far to avoid having the license fees go to Sony. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? I couldn't work without my BluRay earpiece. It's the only way I can do interviews over the phone and type notes at the same time. And a wireless mouse and keyboard are a big plus. If I boycotted the products of every company that had ever wronged consumers, Id be living in a cave. But I'm not an IT guy, and what Sony does probably is nowhere near as important to me as it is to you. Paul -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul, I suspect you are talking about BlueTooth, not Blue-Ray (which is a media/storage solution). .. or you are from a different planet that already has blue-ray in the their ears. :-) I understand people who avoid certain brands because of the manufacturer's reputation (for whatever reason). I have some brands here and there that I am trying to avoid, - but not many. OTOH, the only Sony product besides media (tapes and floppies) that I've owned was Clie (Palm Pilot clone). IMHO, Sony is overpriced for their quality. People pay for the brand name that I personally do not value much. The innovative value of Sony is also much more limited (as opposed to the frequent perception). In my opinion, Sony was good with their Trinitron technology, and they they contributed to making small tape players (walkman) ubiquitous. (But even then, other companies' products were of a better quality, - e.g. Aiwa's tape players.) I cannot think of anything else significant. As for the evilness of Sony, - they bought Aiwa that had products that were superior to Sony's, and essentially killed it. (I've heard somebody saying that Aiwa was in stagnation before it was bought, but I don't know if that's true or not.) In any case, - I liked Aiwa: it had one of the best technology of making very great quality sound in a small volume: small speakers, headphones, etc, - all at a very moderate price. Aiwa x815 headphones ($40-45 at the time) purchased in ~1995 were comparable in quality to Sennheiser HD-280 Pro and Sony MDR-V6 ($80-100), Igor Mon Feb 8 10:19:38 CST 2010 paul stenquist wrote: On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-02-08 1:03, John Francis wrote: I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony. They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad). I'm with you on this one, John. I have even avoided BluRay so far to avoid having the license fees go to Sony. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? I couldn't work without my BluRay earpiece. It's the only way I can do interviews over the phone and type notes at the same time. And a wireless mouse and keyboard are a big plus. If I boycotted the products of every company that had ever wronged consumers, Id be living in a cave. But I'm not an IT guy, and what Sony does probably is nowhere near as important to me as it is to you. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From a US perspective the price would be a little high. But that machine should be capable of just about anything. We've just bought an HP for home use, but which has more than enough power to run Photoshop. Our configuration is: o Core 2 Duo processors (you definitely win here) o 4GB RAM o 640GB (2x320GB) o CD/DVD optical drive Blu-Ray would be nice, but it adds a lot to the price. o 17.3 1600x900 screenYour extra pixels are good Not quite as good as yours, but we only paid $850 US. That's around $1K AUD. I don't know how much GST would add to that. On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 06:03:38PM +1000, Tanya Love wrote: Ok, so I've come across an AMAZING deal, on an awesome machine! AND so my hubby and I are each going to buy one! Lol. This is it: the Asus G73 - due for release in February! Specs are: ProcessorIntel? Core? i7 720QM 1.60-2.80GHz Processor RAM8GB DDR3 1066Mhz system memory Hard Drive1TB 7200RPM, (in the form of 2 x 500gb drives) BLU-RAY Super Multi 8X DVD?R/RW with Double Layer Support Screen Size17.3-inch HD LED BACKLIT (1920x1080) Graphics CardATI HD5870 1GB Dedicated Graphics Networking802.11b/g/n WLAN, 10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN, Bluetooth Operating SystemWindows? 7 Home Premium Special FeatureInbuilt WebCam, HD Audio stereo speakers ConditionBrand New in Box, Bonus Backpack + Mouse Weight3.52KG Plus a whole slew of other cool stuff! All for about aud$2500 delivered! So, what is the general concensus, do you think it will be able to do what I need it to? Tan. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 4:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: laptops again... Looks pretty good to me. I have had a few Sonys over the years and they have been good. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 11:47:39AM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: I understand people who avoid certain brands because of the manufacturer's reputation (for whatever reason). I have some brands here and there that I am trying to avoid, - but not many. OTOH, the only Sony product besides media (tapes and floppies) that I've owned was Clie (Palm Pilot clone). IMHO, Sony is overpriced for their quality. People pay for the brand name that I personally do not value much. I have to confess to some level of hypocrisy here. I distinguish between Sony Computer (producers of the Vaio, etc.), and Sony A/V. Almost every piece of A/V gear I've bought over the last 30 years has the Sony brand name on it. Even my first TiVo was a Sony. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 8, 2010, at 11:44 AM, John Mullan wrote: I think you are getting your blues mixed up. Blueray is a high definition DVD. Bluetooth is a method of implementing wireless technology, commonly used in headsets with cell phones, but also keyboards, mice, printers and many others. See. I said I don't know anything about his stuff:-). I am thinking of Bluetooth. But I want Blueray as well. Just waiting until I have some extra cash. Paul jm - Original Message - From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: Re: laptops again... On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-02-08 1:03, John Francis wrote: I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony. They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad). I'm with you on this one, John. I have even avoided BluRay so far to avoid having the license fees go to Sony. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? I couldn't work without my BluRay earpiece. It's the only way I can do interviews over the phone and type notes at the same time. And a wireless mouse and keyboard are a big plus. If I boycotted the products of every company that had ever wronged consumers, Id be living in a cave. But I'm not an IT guy, and what Sony does probably is nowhere near as important to me as it is to you. Paul -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 7, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Tanya Love wrote: What do you guys think of this? I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus, vs HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top wrt stability and overall failures, so thought that this new model Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can afford it too, which is always nice! http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg Thoughts and advice? I know a lot of people in the industry, especially in technical support who consider newer Sony products complete shite. I have heard rumors that their high end products are actually fairly reliable For that many dineros, I'd go for a refurbished macbook: http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC406LL/A?mco=MTM1MTkzMDM Tan. ☺ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-08 01:03 , Tanya Love wrote: Asus G73 just an impression, i'm no connoisseur of Windows laptops: i looked this up and saw that it's aimed at the gaming market; note that gamers like their displays to have very fast response, which is generally an indicator it is a TN display which has modest color fidelity; so you'd have a very powerful, very heavy, giant-screened machine that may not be all that great for editing photos; is that what you want? gamers don't usually value battery life either; 14 year old gamers may think they look cool lugging around a giant laptop, but i suspect you might get tired of it; and if you're not taking it anywhere why not get a more powerful desktop machine with a better quality display for less money? or a more portable, reasonably powered laptop plus an external display? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/8/2010 11:19 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2010-02-08 1:03, John Francis wrote:
I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony.
They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who
denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad).
I'm with you on this one, John. I have even avoided BluRay so far to avoid
having the license fees go to Sony.
Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? I couldn't work
without my BluRay earpiece. It's the only way I can do interviews over the
phone and type notes at the same time. And a wireless mouse and keyboard are a
big plus. If I boycotted the products of every company that had ever wronged
consumers, Id be living in a cave. But I'm not an IT guy, and what Sony does
probably is nowhere near as important to me as it is to you.
Paul
That;s blue tooth, a technology not invented by Sony. Blue Ray is a
standard that, sadly is more about Sony's profit margin and, copy
protection than anything else.
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On 8/2/10, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I couldn't work without my BluRay earpiece. Mark!! :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Tanja - I wouldn't go near a Sony Vaio, a friend of mine had one which was absolutely terrible to work with, and unreliable. I recently bought a Toshiba Satellite Pro S300 for A$1300 with which I am very satisfied. I installed Elements on it and have used it for processing images quite happily. Vista Business, Intel Core2Duo P8400 chip @ 2.26GHz, 2GB RAM, 150GB Hitachi HDD. That may look under-spec'd by comparison with your latest option, but it works very well, and might be worth looking at something similar. If you want to, pop down and have a look... John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tanya Love Sent: Monday, 8 February 2010 3:29 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: laptops again... What do you guys think of this? I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus, vs HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top wrt stability and overall failures, so thought that this new model Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can afford it too, which is always nice! http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg Thoughts and advice? Tan. ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: paul stenquist Subject: Re: laptops again... On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-02-08 1:03, John Francis wrote: I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony. They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad). I'm with you on this one, John. I have even avoided BluRay so far to avoid having the license fees go to Sony. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? It's the difference between being a discerning consumer and being a jellyfish. Rewarding companies that do wrong things is the worst form of enablement. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Steve - this is the kind of information that I was hoping to hear. I do *want* a laptop over a PC because I like to be able to move around the house, more so than take the computer out and about with me. I often sit in bed with my kids next to me working, or at the dining room table next to them whilst they are doing their homework. It would also give me the opportunity when I need it to take it with me on a shoot etc. I totally agree with the battery life thing -the Asus G73 only has 1-2 hours, which is crappity crap crap, however, as I am mostly using it at home, I always have it plugged in anyways (my current HP has always had terrible battery life and from Day 1, I've never even been able to watch a full length movie on it without it dying). The reason I want such a high spec'd system is because it will be a long time before I can afford to upgrade again and I really need this to be able to work well for at least the next 3-4 years without the risk of becoming outdated. I totally agree with you all about the size and weight but don't need it to be *that* portable, but fast and able to handle anything that I can throw at it for as long as possible is a priority. I actually *really* don't want a screen any bigger than my current 15.9 but if I have to live with a bigger one to be able to get (and afford!) the specs that I need, then I will. To those who have suggested less spec'd laptops, I currently have a HP Pavillion dv6500 - it is a 2Core Duo T7100 @ 1.80 GHz. I upgraded it last week from 2 to 4gb, and also upgraded the HDD from 160gb (it was CONSTANTLY full) 7200rpm to a 500gb 5400rpm. It is running Vista Home Premium, 32bit. Even since doing the upgrades last week, it is still struggling, especially now that I have the much higher resolution images to work on from the K-7. So, the plan is that my husband will inherit this one, and I will be set up with the new one. I am so sick of twiddling my thumbs waiting for my computer to do what I ask it to, and I haven't even really gotten back into my photography work properly yet. I am determined to kick off properly this time and to be set up for a good, efficient work flow. Well, as much as I can afford anyways. We already have a beautiful Samsung 22 monitor that will be used as my second monitor and my main editing screen, however I *do* still need the monitor to be decent. Storage is also a very high priority, I hated dropping back to a 5400rpm HDD when I upgraded last week, but s badly needed the extra space and couldn't afford the 7200 equivalent, plus I knew that this computer would be my hubby's and speed/performance is not an issue for him, all he ever uses it for is to surf the net! However, the Asus has two HDD bays and that is important for me. I really want a dual drive set up as I have lost two HDDs and two memory cards in the past year and this has not been fun to live through. I did a beautiful shoot the other week with 4 cute little models and pettiskirts, and I had a gorgeous scene set up in the rainforest complete with an antique cast iron bed that we carted out there and the whole lot disappeared when my 4gb Hitachi Microdrive finally gave up on me (remember the surgery we all did many moons ago on those Creative Labs mp3 players?!? Lol). I received 2 quotes to recover the shots, both amounting to about $2400 and suffice to say, I will never get to see those shots again! :( Anyways, can you Steve, or somebody else, explain to me what a TN display is? I know what I *need* my display to be capable of (I want it to be as high res as possible, and to be able to be calibrated accurately and to render highlights and shadows properly (ie. to properly show hotspots and/or blacks as well as a histogram can), but the technical side and specs of what I need to achieve this is beyond my limited knowledge. I was actually going to post specifically to ask about the pros/cons of a gaming machine for the kind of work that I am doing but read some geeky type forum threads of others who were trying to decide between the Asus G73 and the Dell 6400 and as I know that the Dell is catered specifically towards photographers, I assumed that the Asus would suit too. I also did some research and found that the graphics card on the Asus is better than the top spec'd Geoforce card so thought that I would surely be fine with it. But if that's not the case and anyone could explain to me why, in language that I can comprehend, I would be very grateful! :) Tan. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of steve harley Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2010 5:06 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: laptops again... On 2010-02-08 01:03 , Tanya Love wrote: Asus G73 just an impression, i'm no connoisseur of Windows laptops: i looked this up and saw that it's aimed at the gaming market; note that gamers like their displays to have very fast response, which is generally
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On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
On 2/8/2010 11:19 AM, paul stenquist wrote:
On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2010-02-08 1:03, John Francis wrote:
I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony.
They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who
denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad).
I'm with you on this one, John. I have even avoided BluRay so far to avoid
having the license fees go to Sony.
Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? I couldn't work
without my BluRay earpiece. It's the only way I can do interviews over the
phone and type notes at the same time. And a wireless mouse and keyboard are
a big plus. If I boycotted the products of every company that had ever
wronged consumers, Id be living in a cave. But I'm not an IT guy, and what
Sony does probably is nowhere near as important to me as it is to you.
Paul
That;s blue tooth, a technology not invented by Sony. Blue Ray is a standard
that, sadly is more about Sony's profit margin and, copy protection than
anything else.
Yeah, I got my blues confused. I do need blue tooth, and thanks to
enlightenment from the list, I don't have to worry that I might be killing
unborn baby whales by using it.
I don't necessarily need Blue Ray, but I think I want it. Although based on
reviews, I think I would go with a Panasonic machine. One reason I want one is
to be able to play HD slide shows on an HD TV. Not to mention HD movies from
the 7D. Blu Ray is the standard, and it's apparently here to stay. Soon it will
be the only HD DVD format available. Think of it this way: If those lying
scoundrels from Toyota were the only ones building automobiles, I would
probably grit my teeth and buy one from them:-).
Paul
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[mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of TL steve harley TL Sent: Tuesday, 9 February 2010 5:06 AM TL To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List TL Subject: Re: laptops again... TL On 2010-02-08 01:03 , Tanya Love wrote: Asus G73 TL just an impression, i'm no connoisseur of Windows laptops: TL i looked this up and saw that it's aimed at the gaming market; note that TL gamers like their displays to have very fast response, which is generally an TL indicator it is a TN display which has modest color fidelity; so you'd have TL a very powerful, very heavy, giant-screened machine that may not be all that TL great for editing photos; is that what you want? gamers don't usually value TL battery life either; 14 year old gamers may think they look cool lugging TL around a giant laptop, but i suspect you might get tired of it; and if TL you're not taking it anywhere why not get a more powerful desktop machine TL with a better quality display for less money? or a more portable, reasonably TL powered laptop plus an external display? TL -- TL PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List TL PDML@pdml.net TL http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net TL to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and TL follow the directions. TL __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature TL database 4848 (20100208) __ TL The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. TL http://www.eset.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/8/2010 6:42 PM, David J Brooks wrote:
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Tanya Lovetanyal...@bigpond.com wrote:
What do you guys think of this? I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus,
Who you callin an Asus.
You, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Dave
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On 2010-02-08 17:13 , Tanya Love wrote: Anyways, can you Steve, or somebody else, explain to me what a TN display is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#Twisted_nematic_.28TN.29 IPS-type VA-type displays are usually better for photo editing, though not common on laptops; the particular TN display on this Asus is glossy and probably optimized for saturated color and fast response, so i speculate that it may be even worse than some other TN displays for photo work I was actually going to post specifically to ask about the pros/cons of a gaming machine for the kind of work that I am doing but read some geeky type forum threads of others who were trying to decide between the Asus G73 and the Dell 6400 and as I know that the Dell is catered specifically towards photographers, I assumed that the Asus would suit too. I also did some research and found that the graphics card on the Asus is better than the top spec'd Geoforce card so thought that I would surely be fine with it. not sure this kind of better matters much -- the type of graphic card that best suits gamers is one with lots of memory and very fast OpenGL performance; these factors don't benefit photographers much, though they shouldn't hurt; some apps can get help from the GPU on the graphics card, but from what i recall, Lightroom can't do that yet (someone correct me if that has changed); a monster video card might help with future photo software, but for now the i7 processor and the potential for 16GB of RAM are better helps for fast photo editing -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 03:29:26PM +1000, Tanya Love wrote: What do you guys think of this? I have seen the stats about Sony vs Asus, vs HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top wrt stability and overall failures, so thought that this new model Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can afford it too, which is always nice! http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg Thoughts and advice? Tan. ? I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony. They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looks pretty good to me. I have had a few Sonys over the years and they have been good. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, February 7, 2010, 9:29:26 PM, you wrote: TL What do you guys think of this? I have seen the stats about Sony TL vs Asus, vs HP vs Dell, etc and it seems to come out near the top TL wrt stability and overall failures, so thought that this new model TL Vaio looks pretty good, AND I can afford it too, which is always nice! TL http://www.sony.com.au/product/vpcf117hg TL Thoughts and advice? TL Tan. ☺ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: laptops again...
On Feb 8, 2010, at 7:03 PM, John Francis wrote: I would *NEVER* buy computer products from Sony. They are the ones who perpetrated the DRM rootkit (bad), and who denied it was a problem even after it was discovered (very bad). I wouldn't either. I seem to recall that their fix wasn't much better. In addition to the above, my boss has a couple of Vaio laptops and they've been terribly unreliable. FWIW my partner had a Toshiba which was very good, and she's recently replaced it with a nice little Acer. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
