Re: [pinhole-discussion] Merry Christmas

[Jean Daubas]

Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all pinholists all over the planet !

Thanks for the Holidays Swap cards I already received...
But it's not finished and some are going away pretty soon...

Jean


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From: Ingo Günther ingoguent...@web.de
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Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 10:45 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Merry Christmas


 Frohe Weihnachten und ein gutes Neues Jahr/
 Merry Christmas and Happy New New Year to all my friends of this great
list,
 and thank you for all the lovely Christmas-swap-postcards.

 from Oldenburg/Germany
 ... Ingo


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] PS4

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all PS4 swappers !

Mea culpa for my long delay in organizing the PS4 swap. Some personal
problems + an overload of unscheduled heavy tasks to do have prevented me to
keep I the initial time schedule.
I'm going away today for my lecture (see Pinhole Visions events) at the
Musée Niépce in Chalon sur Saône ( birthplace of photography).
I shall be back on Saturday and I promise to send on Sunday 7 some precise
info directly (not on this list) to all of you who had signed for the PS4
(with the PS4 participant sign-in procedure). We shall constitute quickly
the groups, so that we can hold the  initial deadline of  : Saturday
February 29 th 2004.

So, I beg your indulgence for my long silence ( I would have preferred to be
able to keep in time!)... Do not worry, you will get a good start on next
Sunday..
Thanks to all who signed; I'm sure PS4 will be un grand cru !

Cheers from France,
Jean

- Original Message - 
From: Ingo Günther ingoguent...@web.de
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] PS4


 pinhole-discussion@p at ??? schrieb am 01.12.03 15:28:26:
 
  Need info on swap and addresses of participants. Jean

[pinhole-discussion] PS4 Sign-in procedure

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all !
I know that most every one who has shown some interest has already sent a
message.
But you have probably read  in my previous post PS4 - Guidelines
suggestions - Please read carefully , that we have to establish a precise
list of participants in order to constitute the groups.
It's why you are invited to sign in more formally on another e-mail
address; this will also keep the discussion list from being over run with
PS4 print swap messages.

Procedure.
So starting today , if you want to be involved in the PS4 swap , please
e-mail me at the following address:
j.daubas.ph...@free.fr
with
Subject line :   PS4 participant

In your Sign in message, please indicate :
1)  Your name,
2)  your snail mail address  (complete, with country)
3)  your e-mail

and eventually,
- if you have any subject of preference for which you would like to see a
Group constituted ( must be open subjects)
- any other commentary or suggestion about the guidelines
For those who feel themselves ready to take responsibility of coordination
of one group, please tell me in your post.
The sign-in procedure will close on Sunday October 26th 23:59 (GMT) and
the list of participants will be definitive.

By advance, all my thanks for your collaboration

Cheers from France
Jean

[pinhole-discussion] PS4 IMPORTANT NOTICE for ORGANIZATION - Please read carefully

[Jean Daubas]

The pinhole swap announcement has caused a major hurricane to blow on this
list !

At present time, about 50 people from plenty of countries are willing to
participate in either one or two of the formulas. And it will not stop just
now.
I am also very happy to find both some well-known names (like old friends)
with whom I enjoyed the various previous swaps and new pinholers eager to
try the experiment ...
In fact, I am not surprised of this success : pinholers are genuine
enthusiastic people ! and the future months promise to be full of pleasure
for all of the participants!

but...
... we have to manage with this success and to organize the things. this
will be done easily but only needs a little discipline by everyone and
some patience. This will help us the moderators to set up things clearly.


1)  The 1st major point to clear is :
Distinction between 2 kinds of Pinhole Swaps
It seems from all your messages under the PS4 subject that not everybody
clearly makes the distinction between :
- the Christmas swap also called Holiday swap or the list
- the  more formal PS4 Pinhole Print Spring Swap 2004

I shall not make again a detailed description of the 2 formulas. they are
quite different and I suggest that you read Tom Miller's excellent post
about this topic (2003/10/13) to understand the different mechanisms
involved.
I paste Tom's post at the end of this present message.
The 2 swaps are completely independent, with very different rules; they
respond to distinct desires of exchange between pinholers. One may
participate in either one of these swaps or in the 2 .

I'm asking everybody willing to participate  (even if you have already sent
your intention message) to completely separate the posts about the 2
swaps.
Why ?
Just because I shall not imply myself in the management of the Holiday
swap. at present time, I do not know who will do that job but I know it
will not be me. It probably needs a coordinator to set up this swap, even if
this open formula needs less organization than the formal one

I announced the PS4 formal swap because I am ready to launch this project
as coordinator and I wish to concentrate on the success of this project with
help of everyone.
Consequently, please use PS4 subject line only  when you post about this
formal swap. by advance, all my thanks!

2) PS4 organization, rules, etc.
several among you ask for some more info about their commitment in PS4. It's
normal.
I am preparing a complete post with proposals about organization of PS4. It
still requires some work  and now it is 02:55 AM here in France and I need
some sleep ;-)
This will be sent on this list in the next 24 hours and the message will
bring many answers to your questions regarding the formal PS4. Without
revealing the whole content, I may tell you now that the 1st step will be
constitution of several PS4 groups since we are very numerous.
Also it will precise the sign in procedure and will open discussion of
several points which will constitute the rules after we find agreement on
them...
And for preventing to pollute the general pinhole list with too many PS4
related posts, after this coming  general message, all the communication
about PS4 will be directed on a new e-mail address.

Now, thanks for your patience and your enthusiasm and please still wait
until Thursday for the next important step!
Have good pinholing!

Cheers from France,
Jean

PS : Tom's explanations about Christmas/ holiday swap opposed to formal
swap  (as PS4) :

Hi Jean,

Thanks for offering to coordinate another formal swap.  You did an
excellent job in coordinating the formal swap that I took part in a couple
of years ago.

It is good that you mentioned the distinction between the formal and the
holiday swaps.  Some things I noticed that were different about them are: 1)
the the number participants; 2) the size and quality of images; 3) level of
reciprocity.  I think these are inter-related.

The rules for the holiday swap were that any number of people could sign up
for the swap, but each individual would send cards to only as many folks at
they felt they could.  If I remember correctly, there were 49 folks signed
up for the holiday swap last year.  I know that all 49 folks didn't send out
49 images.  This is OK, since it was part of the ground rules, but should be
kept in mind.

On the other hand, so many people signed up for the formal swaps that they
were broken into two or three groups based on subject.  I remember about
15 - 18 people in each group?  Some folks participated in more than one.
Each person committed to send a photo to ALL other participants.  Jean, I
know this caused you a lot of work because some folks fell way behind the
deadline and needed extra reminding.  However, everyone in the group I was
in (the self-portrait group) did participate in the end.  This was truly
remarkable and joyful.

I've also noticed that generally smaller images were sent in the holiday
swap, Christmas 

Re: [pinhole-discussion] SV: contact w Laurent Millet

[Jean Daubas]

Hi Peter !

I have not the present e-mail of Laurent but I have an info which might help
you :

Laurent is artiste en résidence from  27/05 2003 to 31/07 2003 at the
Théâtre de la Passerelle in the city of Gap in the south of France.

I may give you the e-mail of Théâtre de la Passerelle. since Laurent is
working there for this period of time, I am sure you can ask to the Théâtre
team to put you in direct connection with Laurent.

The e-mail of Théâtre de la Passerelle is :
mailto:i...@theatre-la-passerelle.com

I hope it will help you...

have good pinholing !
jean

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06 81 53 12 89   /  03 81 57 50 13
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-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: Peter Wiklund
Skickat: den 5 juni 2003 14:43
Till: 'pinhole-discussion@p at ???'
Ämne: contact w Laurent Millet


Hello,

I would like to get in contact with the French pinholer Laurent Millet.
Haven't found any address whatsoever.
Anyone who can help me?

/peter

Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Year Pinhole 2003 Swap

[Jean Daubas]

I join Claudia  and the others who already expressed their pleasure of
receiving wonderful pinhole postcards since December.
3 more arrived this morning in my mailbox...
it's always such a surprise to discover these images, the variety of
subjects, techniques, presentations...
I'm sure the swap is not yet finished : the bunch of pictures I sent several
days ago are somewhere (?) , maybe not yet very far, because there has been
a strike of the workers at the Mail Sorting Center since the beginning of
January ; it's now ending but plenty of mail has stayed blocked in their
bags and I suspect postcards will be treated after commercial letters;
very difficult to know, some syndicates are still asking for going on the
strike movement.
But do not desperate!

Thanks to all and Happy pinholing
Cheers from France
Jean

P.S.  A QUESTION:
About Margaret CHIU : I received your card with a TAIPEH (Taiwan) address on
it but on the list on rahji.com site, the address is at CAMBRIDGE ,MA,
USA...
Which address I must send my card ??

- Original Message -
From: claudia smith c...@earthlink.net
To: pinhole pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:28 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole 2003 Swap


 Thanks to all who have sent me such great pinhole photos in the 2003 New
 Year's Pinhole Swap. They are wonderful! And many thanks to the
 organizers.

 Claudia Smith

Re: [pinhole-discussion] What is a silver print really?

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all,

I just looked in one of my favorite Photography books :
Looking at photographs - a guide to technical terms
by Gordon Baldwin. published by the J. Paul Getty Museum in association with
British Museum Press. Copyright (c) 1991
ISBN 0-89236-192-1

Here is what Gordon Baldwin writes  (a short entry since author does not
appreciate the term !) :;-)

 SILVER PRINT : This a shorthand term for what should be called a GELATIN
SILVER print, meaning a paper coated with a gelatin emulsion containing
SILVER SALTS. The term should be avoided because most black and white
photographic prints contain silver, and the term is therefore too inclusive
to be useful .

By the way, Gelatin silver print and Silver salts have much longer
definitions in Baldwin's book, but if I begin to type in my post all the
excellent explanations, I'm sure we shall end with the 87 pages of Looking
at photographs in the same message !
Hope it helps,

Cheers from France
Jean

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16 rue de Bourg-Sec
25440  LIESLE   France
j.daubas.ph...@free.fr

Re: [pinhole-discussion] off topic: photoshop tutorial book?

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Peter !

I join with Heidi for mentioning the special qualities of  Martin Evening's
book, Photoshop for photographers

Like you, I recently wished to make an approach of Photoshop, knowing that
my visual and technical universe is mostly traditional photography and that
I am not a  computer fanatic.
I took a long time for searching a good book which would allow a
photographic oriented approach of Photoshop, without forgetting BW images.
I saw plenty of English or French written books and finally I stopped my
choice on Martin Evening's book.
My version is  Photoshop 6 pour les Photographes translated in French from
original Focal Press English version. At present time the Photoshop 7
translation does  not exist but it is of no importance since most of the
spirit of Photoshop is the same. The book contains a CD rom with some
pictures for exercises, tutorials, plugs ins. The author is himself an
English (London based)  photographer so that the content is very much in
correspondence with our photo preoccupations ; he studies in depth the
photographic uses of Photoshop amongst them BW, image repairing, etc...

I've not yet finished to study it but I already learnt very useful features!

Peter, I presume there is not a Swedish translation but maybe you may find a
German version, or just stick to the English one  :-)

Happy pinholing to all,

 jean

- Original Message -
From: CRABBE Heidi S h.s.cra...@staffs.ac.uk
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] off topic: photoshop tutorial book?


 Hi,

 Adobe Photoshop 7.0 for Photographers: A Professional Image Editor's
 Guide to the Creative Use of Photoshop for the Mac and PC ~ Martin
 Evening -- (Paperback - 7 August, 2002)

 Not read it myself but other people and magazine reviews have said it's
 good.

 Heidi

 -Original Message-
 From: Peter Wiklund [mailto:peter.wikl...@journalistgruppen.se]
 Sent: 20 January 2003 08:56
 To: 'pinhole-discussion@p at ???'
 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] off topic: photoshop tutorial book?



 Sorry off topic, but since there are so many with great knowledge on the
 list

 I want to start doing darkroom work in the computer, and want a tutorial
 book with information on photographic ways of usiung Photoshop. What I
 mean is that I'm _not_ interested in Photoshop-filter-effects, nor
 collageing. I like the look that you get from normal darkroom work, but
 want to do my dodging, burning, cropping, contrast adjustments etc in
 the computer. I will mostly work in black-and-white to start with.

 There are plenty of Photoshop-books on the market, but most of them seem
 to be crappy.

 Is there any good book?
 Or perhaps a good magazine?

 Some of my (color) work can be seen here: http://hem.passagen.se/pinhole

 /peter


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but !

[Jean Daubas]

Hi Traci

It's not a fixed picture camera but a video system. Have a look on the links
I posted 20 seconds ago to the list...

Jean
- Original Message -
From: Traci Bunkers bonk...@bonkersfiber.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but !


 Is there any info on how he is doing this? I find it very interesting. It
 looks like he is holding the camera up, but what is reflecting everything
 and how is it supported? You don't see anything that looks like it goes
from
 the reflecting thing to the camera. But since he has it in a variety of
 places, it must be portable. . . .
 --
 Traci Bunkers
 Bonkers Handmade Originals
 http://www.bonkersfiber.com


  From: Jean Daubas j.dau...@free.fr
 

  http://www.din.umontreal.ca/courchesne/journalpanoscopique.html


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but !

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all !

Whoops  and all my apologizes for not having checked the Panoscope 360 web
site which I had in my bookmarks for a long time...
Here are some more sites about this device and his creator Mr. Courchesne

http://www.din.umontreal.ca/courchesne/

http://www.montrealbrainware.org/mtllbrain-fra.pdf

http://panoscope360.com/panoscope.html
where you may download a short video  :  panovideo.mov

http://panoscope360.com/descriptionen.html
an extensive description of the machine

http://www.space-odysseys.com/ar_lc2.php

http://www.photobasedart.ca/html/current_ex.html
site of the TPW Gallery in Montreal where there is currently an exhibit of
Panoscope 360

http://www.photobasedart.ca/html/Essays/PanoEssay.html
essay in accompaniment of the exhibit in TPW Gallery

Maybe our fellow p at ???panion Guy Glorieux (co-moderator of the present
pinhole list) who lives in Montreal would like to have a visit to TPW
Gallery and make a report on the Panoscope system ?;-))

All my apologizes again
Jean

- Original Message -
From: Chris Peregoy pere...@umbc.edu
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but !

[pinhole-discussion] not pinhole ... but !

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all,

not strictly pinhole subject, not strictly simple device...
but another manière de voir  which rises plenty of questions :
http://www.din.umontreal.ca/courchesne/journalpanoscopique.html
Hoping it does not pollute our list - apologizes if it does so!
Happy pinholin'g,

Jean


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Image Vision was Re: [pinhole-discussion] eye camera

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Pete,

Believe it or not, I had the intuition 2 days ago, reading the Human eye 
thread, that you, Pete, would post something about it and here it comes !
Why did I think of the intervention of  a blind photographer ?

Just because the discussion was slowly but surely expanding from a question
about the Image to a question about the Vision , and when  it comes to
Vision we all know that  visually impaired and/or blind people have a lot
to say...

While writing this , I just cannot prevent myself from quoting some lines of
the back cover of Evgen Bavcar' s book Le voyeur absolu. Evgen Bavcar is a
Slovenian born (Vojke Flis, if you are still on this list, you probably know
him!) blind photographer living in France since the 70's; he is also a
universitary researcher in philosophy and aesthetics. Here is my translation
for the question he rises in his book :
This exceptional experience  [a blind man taking photographs] leads to this
essential question :
Would not be - before any other thing - photography, a mental image of the
world, and only that ?  An effect of sensuality, for which the print would
only constitute a secondary phenomenon ?

Human eye ? Pinhole camera ? Image ? Vision ?...
2003 begins with all these questions and, I'm sure,
2003 will end with all these questions  ;-)

Let's share our Visions, let's share our Images
Cheers from France
Jean

- Original Message -
From: pete eckert peteeck...@mindspring.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:10 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] eye camera


 Hello All,

 The discussion comparing the eye and camera has been interesting. Here is
a
 spin on it for you. There has been some projects going on to replace
 damaged retinas with implants. A few of these projects involve sending
 pictures to a receiver in the eye. The projects have the blind community
 very excited. I as a blind photographer may someday be able to see my own
 work.

 Pete


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Season's greetings to all!

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all pinholers around this list !

I sincerely join Chuck, Guy, Kurt  ( + the coming ones) to express my thanks
to Gregg for all the silent work he does for the Pinhole Visions, the
list, WPPD and for the quality of tools he offers to our p at ???munity
for sharing our passion.

Today is Christmas, and  2002 is soon ending.  A look backwards may be
useful but the dark clouds looming ahead [Guy] weight heavily on my
thoughts.
As I know that all of you on this list have a special awareness of how
beauty, creativity, life may exist through a tiny simple hole in a box, I
would like to ask you for 2003 to keep on defending your generous vision
of life .  At a time where there is more and more discussion everywhere
about  the status of Images, the relations between Image and reality,
truth and representation, I am sure we pinholists are touching the
essential point of this issue. If you are not sure of that, just transform a
room into a Camera Obscura in which people (of all ages) may enter and
invite them to discover (= to feel physically + with their thought)  what is
une image.  Things are never the same after this experience than before!
And we all come back to the oldest questions stimulating mankind through
philosophy, religions, art, science,... that makes Life !

Pinhole practice opens our eyes to the essence of Light, Space, Time, Image.
I'm sure it opens our brain,
I'm sure it opens our heart, too

I was just wanting to wish you all happiness for the future , not only
material comfort but rather Light in your hearts.
I have been much too long, but I cannot dissociate my art practice from my
vision of the world and I needed to share it [just a bit  ;-) ]  with you.
Thanks for your patience, my friends.

Now, plenty of Light /Time impressions/expressions for you and the folks you
love
Plenty of Peace for our planet !
Cheers from France
Jean
*
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16 rue de Bourg-Sec
25440  LIESLE   France
06 81 53 12 89   /  03 81 57 50 13
j.daubas.ph...@free.fr


- Original Message -
From: Chuck Flagg cfla...@mchsi.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Season's greetings to all!


 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

 ~Chuck !

 

Re: [pinhole-discussion] laurent carte

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Peter !

You may reach Laurent through his web-site at :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/laurent.carte/Index.html

Laurent produces a very nice and interesting work and has published several
beautiful artist's books !

Glad to help you, Peter ...
Happy pinholing
Jean

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06 81 53 12 89   /  03 81 57 50 13
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- Original Message -
From: Peter Wiklund peter.wikl...@journalistgruppen.se
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:28 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] laurent carte


 Hello,

 I'm trying to get in contact with the French pinholer Laurent Carte.
 Anyone who knows his e-mail (or are you even on the list...)?

 /peter

[pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Photographs exhibit on Zone Zero site

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all !

I cannot remember if the following info was already posted to this list...
if it was already mentioned please be indulgent with my lack of attention
;-)

The Zone Zero News bulletin of August indicates that there is an exhibit of
pinhole photography on the Zone Zero site. You can find these pictures at :
http://zonezero.com/exposiciones/fotografos/estenopo/index.html

The exhibit is in direct relation with the First National Encounter of
Pinhole Photography, held in the city of Veracruz, Mexico, during the month
of July 2001 and shows several photographers, among them the founders of
this event , Carlos Jurado . There are a lot of very interesting pictures
shown there.
I also enjoyed to find in this exhibit some lovely pictures by a pinholist
that we all know and appreciate not only for his pinhole work but also for
his great work as administrator of this list and Pinhole vision site : Gregg
Kemp!

Bravo Gregg !

Happy pinholing to everybody!
from France
Jean

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S2PP Spring 2002 Pinhole Print Swap was Re: [pinhole-discussion] New Year's 2002 Swap

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all,

Thanks to Rosanne for her info about New Year 2002 swap Forum !

... And now do not forget that there is a S2PP  Spring 2002 Pinhole print
swap which may interest you :


Hi you, happy Pinholer from somewhere in the world !

Following the success of the previous pinhole printswaps organized between
members of this list, we are preparing a new one for next spring !

Maybe you wish to participate in the next pinhole print swap ?
If so, there's nothing easier !

For now, please, just make me know ! We have some time ahead but the sooner,
the better, since if we are numerous, we shall have to share in different
groups with a
moderator for each group.

Today, we have already  21  people registered

At the present time, no guidelines have been fixed yet; this will be done
together later when we have a clear view of how many we are...
We just need to know who is interested...

I suggest that we do not bother the whole discussion-list with our printswap
stuff.

Please e-mail me at the following e-mail address (different from my e-mail
address for the list)
jean.dau...@freesbee.fr

and please  use the precise following suggested subject line :

Subject :  S2PP
 (it makes me earn a lot of time when sorting my received e-mails !)

Hoping you will register soon  (pinhole printswaps are a great experience),

Cheers from France
Jean

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16  rue de Bourg-Sec25440  LIESLEFrance
tél.   03 81 57 50 13   /   06 81 53 12 89
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- Original Message -
From: ethereal art ethereal...@mindspring.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:03 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] New Year's 2002 Swap


 rob wrote:
 this one?  http://www.rahji.com/noindex/pinholexmas.php3
 btw, it's not a xmas swap.. i just didn't change the url since i didn't
 want people who got it early on to get confused.)

 If you want to find out more about this, go to the pinhole vision forum at
 http://www.???/forum/index.php and click on Christmas Card
 Swap which is now New Year's 2002 Swap.
 Rosanne


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] New very slow film

[Jean Daubas]

Michael,

I plan to try this film soon but for lens pictures.

About differences between Chimie II and Chimie IV, I understand that :

-  Chimie Type II is reserved for ROTARY process and above all is adapted
for development at  38°C temperature. This is marketed as an advantage for
studio photographers who are accustomed to develop colour processes (C41
and/or Ekta E6) at this high temperature.
- Chimie type IV is more versatile and may be used for tray development as
well as tank development or rotary process. It may be used at 20°C
temperature which makes it really practical for most black  white darkroom
aficionados... And with this type IV, you can play with levels of the gamma
to get higher gamma index (variations on contrast of the negatives).

In any case, I compared the cost of this film with traditional ones : the
cost of the developing soup is really too high...

Hope it helps
Cheers from France

Jean


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From: Michael Keller m.w.kel...@verizon.net
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] New very slow film


 I'm a little confused, is the Type II chemistry designed strictly for
rotary
 process, and the Type IV for general use? And is anyone planning on trying
 out some of this stuff? Seems like overkill for pinhole.g

  http://www.gigabitfilm.de/
 
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all,

Des cliques et des claques...  for French speaking pinholists !

1) For converting a Agfa Clack into a pinhole camera, just have a look at
the following site :
http://www.kosara.net/photo/lochlomo.html

The loch lomo page  (it is as a joke) is full of info and plans for doing
easily this conversion !

2) About the Agfa Click, as Mike wrote, it is a plastic camera but it was
not ony sold in France. Actually there has been 2 models of Click : Clicks I
and Clicks II  were built from 1958 until 1970, mainly in Germany.
For some time an Agfa factory located in Strasbourg (France, at the border
with Germany) built some Click I cameras. This French production was
motivated by trying to escape the tariff barriers which, at the end of the
50 ies prevented entrance of foreign cameras in France ... The French models
are heavier than the German ones because a small piece of metal had been
added inside just to make them weight a little more : weight was considered
as a sign of seriousness by French consumers ! Another difference is the
presence of a small plate Fabriqué en France on the Strasbourg models .

Well, all this historical stuff is not so important! Just get a Click or a
Clack,  and turn it into a pleasant pinhole camera and have fun with it...

Hope it helps
Cheers from France

Jean

- Original Message -
From: Mike Vande Bunt mike.vandeb...@mixcom.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] 120 camera conversion


 Gregory Parkinson wrote:

  These are fun cameras.  There's also the Agfa Click which
  I think is the same but 6x6.
 

 The information that I have seen is that the Click (supposedly
 only sold originally in France) was made of plastic and is of
 about the same quality as the Holga.  The Clack was made
 of metal and was better quality.

 
  Prepared for some pretty fuzzy images.  Mine didn't show
  the center sharpness that my Dianas have.
 

 My Clack had very good sharpness on the one roll of film
 that I ran through it.  I can't compare it with my Diana since
 the Diana has a faulty shutter...

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[pinhole-discussion] New very slow film

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all !

I know that among our lensless community, we are numerous to have a strong
sympathy for slow or ultra-slow films which, combined with the specificities
of pinhole photography, allow us to experiment new dimensions of time,
duration,etc.

Unfortunately, slow films are not so numerous and we just lost one of them :
Agfapan 25, since Agfa officially announced its definitive discontinuation.
I really loved it and was not far from thinking that it was the best film
...

And now arrives a completely new product  which seems to have astonishing
characteristics : Gigabit film.

I suggest you to have a look at
http://www.gigabitfilm.de/

where you will find all info about this astonishing product  (some pages or
translated in English, I believe). And if you want to try it, you will find
the address of the different importers for various countries.
I have not yet tried it but hope to do it soon. Film is sold with its
developer and it seems to me very, very expensive...
But it seems that the quality of the film is worth a good try !

Hope it helps, cheers from France


Jean

[pinhole-discussion] Spring 2002 Pinhole Print Swap S2PP

[Jean Daubas]

Hi you, happy Pinholer from somewhere in the world !


Following the success of the previous pinhole printswaps organized between
members of this list, we are preparing a new one for next spring !

Maybe you wish to participate in the next pinhole print swap ?
If so, there's nothing easier !

For now, please, just make me know ! We have some time ahead but the sooner,
the better,
since if we are numerous, we shall have to share in different groups with a
moderator for each group.

At the present time, no guidelines have been fixed yet; this will be done
together later when we have a clear view of how many we are...
We just need to know who is interested...

I suggest that we do not bother the whole discussion-list with our printswap
stuff.

Please e-mail me at the following e-mail address (different from my e-mail
address for the list) with the precise suggested subject line :

jean.dau...@freesbee.fr

Subject :  S2PP
 (it makes me earn a lot of time when sorting my
received e-mails !)

Hoping you will register soon  (pinhole printswaps are a great experience),

Cheers from France
Jean



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tél.   03 81 57 50 13   /   06 81 53 12 89
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Blind photographer

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all,

I am glad  to see your interest for Evgen Bavcar' photographs and written
works.
I have been lucky to meet him in Paris about 12 or 13 years ago when he was
the main guest of the Mois de la photographie in Paris.
I like very much his pictures but I am still more interested in his texts
about Art , generally speaking.
Since 1972 he was a student in Philosophy of Aesthetics in Université de
Paris I and in 1976 he began to work on his Thèse de Doctorat d'Etat (=
Thesis for becoming national Doctor) choosing his subject : Art and
Society in the contemporary French aesthetics ...
He wrote a lot and also recorded several series about artist Jackson Pollock
for the French radio broadcast channel France-Culture.
In 1992 he wrote Le voyeur absolu  (= the absolute voyeur) in which he
writes about his experience as a blind photographer. This leads him (and us
!) to the question  :is not photography only a mental image of the world and
only that ?  A sensual effect whose the photographic paper print would be
only a secondary phenomenon...?

For those of you who want to go deeper in the realm of blind photography,
I suggest the reading of a special issue of Mexican magazine   Luna Cornea
completely devoted to this subject with numerous texts and photographs.

Luna Cornea numero 17, April 1999. The magazine is published in Spanish with
very complete English translations in the 2nd part of the book (200 pages!).
I ordered my issue about 1 year ago at Photo-eye bookshop. Try on
www.photoeye.com.

For French reading people of our community, there has been several articles
gathered under the title  de l'Aveuglement  (= about blindness) in the
January 2001 issue of French magazine Pour Voir (now disappeared!). It
contains interview with Evgen Balcar, an article about Jane Evelyn Atwood's
recent work on blind children, article about strange Sophie Calle's research
gathering portraits of blind + texts by blind people + photographic
representation of the dreamed image expressed by blind, articles about
works of Yoshiko Murakami, Patrick Tosani, etc..
If you are interested, please contact me off-list.

And now, just do not forget that Evgen Bavcar is not an exception; story of
photography is full  (as son as the mid 19th century) of non seeing people
trying to capture their images of the world  with this medium ...

 Aren't we going a bit blind when shooting the way we do?
Joao, I believe the answer is contained in the question !   :-)

Cheers from France

Jean


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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Blind photographer

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Swap, 2001

[Jean Daubas]

Rosanne,
Thanks for your positive and sensible words about our last pinhole swap!

I also live with all the prints under my eyes and every day makes me more
familiar with each of the participants...
Like you, I was member of the Group 1 and  I already had the opportunity to
say to all the members of the group how much I had been impressed by the
quality (not only pinhole picture quality, but human quality too) of our
exchanges. Since 1999, I participated in 4 pinhole print swaps , among
which, I was coordinator for Zero 2000 print swap (in 2000) and for
Group 1 self-portrait 2001 printswap (ending now). These swaps have always
been very strong experiences and I really wish to express all my thanks to
all who sent me pictures and words. They all helped me to go further in my
perception of pinhole photography and ..maybe, of life...
Thanks again.

Now, let's turn towards future!
 Rosanne wrote :
 I am looking forward to the next one as well. For those who did not feel
 right participating the first time, please consider doing so this Spring.
It will open new vistas for you.

Yes, it is now time for those who wish to join the next Spring 2002 print
swap to make us know !
There are already 7 names on the list; so, do not hesitate !

for details of how to join, just read my next post on this list with subject
Spring 2002 Pinhole Print Swap...

Cheers from France

Jean

- Original Message -
From: ethereal art ethereal...@mindspring.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 4:52 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole Swap, 2001


 Dear All,
 It's 11:30 at night here in Augusta, Georgia, USA. I just returned from
the
 hospital, visiting a friend. I felt I had to go to my Wall of Pinholes to
 revisit the photographs exchanged in the Pinhole Swap. I was a part of the
 Group 1, self portraits and non-self portraits. It's nice to see where you
 live, the trees you lean against, the window sills you sit upon, my new
 friends from around the world.
 For me, the swap became more than trying to reproduce the same image for
 fifteen times. It connected me to people whom I would have never known
 existed. I just wanted to say thank you to all of you whose photographs I
 have.
 I am looking forward to the next one as well. For those who did not feel
 right participating the first time, please consider doing so this Spring.
It
 will open new vistas for you.
 Rosanne

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole size for a Nikon bodycap

[Jean Daubas]

Hi Hans ,

I often use a Pinhole Body Cap on my old Nikon FE body or sometimes on a
Nikon F801 because it allows me to have both lens and pinhole camera when I
can bring with me only minimum weight of photo equipment...
I had bought 2 years ago a Finney pinhole body cap which I ordered at
Pinhole Resource.
It is sold with the following data :
f/ 180  @ 50 mm
Diameter :.011, which makes something between 0,27 and 0,28 mm  I think .

The results are really very pleasant !
Hope it helps

Cheers from France
Jean



- Original Message -
From: Markus Birsfelder b...@active.ch
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 7:43 PM
Subject: AW: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole size for a Nikon bodycap


 Hans

 Since the distance between the hole and the film support at the back
 of the camera is approx. 5mm, to get the best possible sharpness the
 pinhole should be 0.25 mm. However, part of the charme of pinhole
 photos is a slight fuzzyness combined with the fact that it does not
 matter wether objects are very close or very distant. Perhaps you
 would want to use pinholes of 0.3 mm or even larger.

 Regards
 Markus



  Hi there,
 
  Does anybody know which size the pinhole should be on a
  Nikon bodycap. I am trying to make one on my own.
 
  Hans
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole holiday card list / Spring 2002Pinhole Printswap

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Rob !

Thanks again for your efforts and for the fast change in New year 2002

 Leaving email addresses is a good idea but I think it may be too late.
Yes, I understand very well your answer about this question. I
presume the readers of this post will probably add naturally their e-mail
address besides the snail mail if they wish to register on the New Year
mailing.
As you write, missing the e-mail address is not a great problem. So do not
worry about it !

Now, organization seem to be OK for this New Year 2002 postcard exchange !
So let's go out and make some nice pinhole pictures !!!

Jean

- Original Message -
From: R Duarte ra...@rahji.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole holiday card list / Spring
2002Pinhole Printswap


 Sorry Jean, I wasn't keeping up with the discussion board.  I just updated
 it to get rid of the holiday and it just says new year 2002 now.  The
 URL is the same - I hope that's okay.  :)

 I'll stick with the discussion forum thing for anything else related to
this
 swap.  Let me know (in that forum) if there's anything else to change.

 Leaving email addresses is a good idea but I think it may be too late.  I
 probably should've added that in the beginning.  There are several ways
for
 us to get everyone's email address afterward if we wanted to, but for now
we
 either have to stick with snail mail addresses or figure out some way to
 have people go back and add their address to.  There's no way to do that
 right now and I think we'd end up with half of the email addresses missing
 in the end anyway.  It might also be too much of a hassle for people
who've
 already signed up.  If any new people want to add their email address in
the
 address field they can do that - I think a couple people actually thought
 ahead and did that.  In any case, we can discuss this on the forum if it's
 something we need to figure out.  Let me know.

 Thanks!!
 Rob

  From: Jean Daubas j.dau...@free.fr
  Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
  Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:26:57 +0200
  To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
  Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole holiday card list / Spring
2002
  Pinhole Printswap
 
  Hi Rob !
 
  Great work done on your page ! Lots of thanks for maintaining it and the
  random tool is a pleasant game !
 
  1)
  a)  I do not know whether you have followed the discussion which runs on
the
  Christmas Card Swap Forum opened by Guy on Pinhole Visions site at
  http://www.???/forum/read.php?f=4i=1t=1
 
  Among other issues, several participants in the Forum suggested that the
  holidays action could rather be called
  New Year 2002 Pinhole Cards  mailing
 
  b)  I wonder if it would not be useful when registering on your Mailing
list
  to add the individual e-mail besides snail mail address : when the
exchange
  will be started, I presume some of us will be glad to have direct
  connections by e-mail with other participants.
  Rob, I'm not a Web tech man  ;-) -  Maybe you can tell us if adding the
  e-mail address field makes a lot of work or if it can be easily done ?
Do
  you think it could be an improvement ?
 
 
  2) Spring 2002 Pinhole Printswap
  For those who should be interested in participating in an organized
  printswap for the beginning of 2002, I remind you that you may
register by
  sending me an e-mail  at my following address :
  jean.dau...@freesbee.fr
  with subject :   S2PP
  I have already received some participations and we can take our time
to
  complete the list and examine together how to constitute several groups
if
  necessary!
 
 
  Rob, thanks again for your efficient help
 
  Pinholer's cheers from France !
  Jean
 
 
 
 
 
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  From: R Duarte ra...@rahji.com
  To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:18 AM
  Subject: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole holiday card list
 
 
  Hi,
  I changed the page a bit so you can get a random list of addresses
based
  on
  how many cards you want to send out.  :)  You can still see the
complete
  list though.  It's still at
http://www.rahji.com/noindex/pinholexmas.php3
  rob
 
 
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole holiday card list / Spring 2002 Pinhole Printswap

[Jean Daubas]

Hi Rob !

Great work done on your page ! Lots of thanks for maintaining it and the
random tool is a pleasant game !

1)
a)  I do not know whether you have followed the discussion which runs on the
Christmas Card Swap Forum opened by Guy on Pinhole Visions site at
http://www.???/forum/read.php?f=4i=1t=1

Among other issues, several participants in the Forum suggested that the
holidays action could rather be called
New Year 2002 Pinhole Cards  mailing

b)  I wonder if it would not be useful when registering on your Mailing list
to add the individual e-mail besides snail mail address : when the exchange
will be started, I presume some of us will be glad to have direct
connections by e-mail with other participants.
Rob, I'm not a Web tech man  ;-) -  Maybe you can tell us if adding the
e-mail address field makes a lot of work or if it can be easily done ? Do
you think it could be an improvement ?


2) Spring 2002 Pinhole Printswap
For those who should be interested in participating in an organized
printswap for the beginning of 2002, I remind you that you may register by
sending me an e-mail  at my following address :
  jean.dau...@freesbee.fr
with subject :   S2PP
I have already received some participations and we can take our time to
complete the list and examine together how to constitute several groups if
necessary!


Rob, thanks again for your efficient help

Pinholer's cheers from France !
  Jean





- Original Message -
From: R Duarte ra...@rahji.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:18 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole holiday card list


 Hi,
 I changed the page a bit so you can get a random list of addresses based
on
 how many cards you want to send out.  :)  You can still see the complete
 list though.  It's still at http://www.rahji.com/noindex/pinholexmas.php3
 rob


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Markus !

Sorry to be so late for my reply!

Being a Swiss, I have not the faintest idea what
 an Altoid container is.

Never mind for the Altoîds... I do not find them in France.

But when I go climbing in the Swiss Alps, I often buy Ricola candies which
are made from Alpine flowers juices and honey. They are good and above all,
I may buy them in small round metal boxes which are very efficient to build
pinhole cameras, with a pretty clean Swiss picture of the Cervin mountain
(= the Matterhorn) on the lid.
I suggest you to try building a pinhole camera with this typical Swiss
product ricola

Enjoy the taste of Alpine flowers and the Cervin vision through a pinhole
:-))

we are almost neighbours (I live in the Jura mountains, east of France, at
120 kms from the Swiss border...)
Jean
- Original Message -
From: Markus Birsfelder b...@active.ch
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:25 AM
Subject: AW: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoids


 Hello Marcy
 Your pictures are great and I would like to try making some
 of my own. Being a Swiss, I have not the faintest idea what
 an Altoid container is. Could you give me a hint.
 Thanks
 Markus

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole Christmas Card Swap

[Jean Daubas]

 handmade photo list, but with
a single rule : pinhole photography).

Maybe we can open the 2 options :
- free exchange list : fast to start, maximum freedom for everybody
(everyone chooses the volume of work he wants to do), ready for Christmas
time
+
-  preparation of a new pinhole Printswap : to be effective for
beginning of 2002; rules to establish together, several groups if necessary.
Another advantage is that it would allow us to complete the 2001 swaps and
to carry on our thinking about how to make the works realized for these
swaps visible by a greater number of people...


Sorry to have been so long ! Your comments, critics, proposals are welcome !
Be certain that in any case I shall be happy to participate and that I'll do
what I can to help for the success  !

Cheers from France,
Jean



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16  rue de Bourg-Sec25440  LIESLEFrance
tél.   03 81 57 50 13   /   06 81 53 12 89
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 - Original Message -
From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca
To: Pinhole List pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:46 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole Christmas Card Swap

Re: [pinhole-discussion] A Query for all of you...

[Jean Daubas]

Hi Guy,

 Are you aware if anybody does/discusses Lith Printing techniques on the
list.
 I've been doing quite a bit lately and would be happy to share experiences

It happens that Lith printing is discussed sometimes on the   BW Photo -
Printing  Finishing Forum. I recently noticed a question about lith and
several replies;
you can find these at :
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=006Ota

Hope it helps !
Bon courage
Jean

- Original Message -
From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] A Query for all of you...

Re: [pinhole-discussion] new list moderator

[Jean Daubas]

 Welcome, Guy!

et un super Bravo !

I'm sure the  3 moderators list will bring me as much pleasure than my  3
pinholes camera !  :-)

From France
Jean



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From: Gregg Kemp gregg.kemp@???
To: Pinhole Discussion List pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:39 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new list moderator

Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole camera in any lang

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Jim,

1) In French,
pinhole camera = appareil à sténopé  but very often people just call the
pinhole camera sténopé, making a shortcut between the pinhole itself
(sténopé has its origins in a Greek word opé meaning  -hole- and close to
ôps meaning -eye-) and the apparatus using it (the camera).
pinhole photography : photographie au sténopé.

2) What do you mean by natural camera ?
If it means a  normal camera with lens, then :
camera = appareil de photo(shortcut : appareil  when everybody knows
that you are speaking about photography!)

3) If you are looking for various translations in all kinds of languages,
just go back and have a look at the WPPD site
www.pinholeday.org
When preparing the event for inside the International coordination Team, I
had the luck to coordinate the work of a nice group of translators all
around the world and we managed, thanks to Gregg' efforts, to offer a 12
languages version of the site. There, your students will find plenty of nice
words !

Hope it helps,
Amitiés d'un sténopiste français
Jean


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To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole camera in any lang

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoid and Celestial Seasonings Teas

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all !

 There are some French bon-bon hard candies that come in a round can,
 although some have switched to plastic cans.

That's true and it becomes really difficult to find metal cans and when you
find some, most of the time they seem to become more and more expensive !
the manufacturers consider using metal cans as a sign of produit de Luxe
compared to ugly plastic or cardboard boxes and they are decided to make the
customer pay for this elitist behaviour !

It's why I spend some time in junk shops searching for old tins, metal
boxes, drug boxes, etc.

Unfortunately, the problem is that, very often, these old decorated metal
boxes have some charm and finally I am reluctant to cut them and transform
them in pinhole cameras...

To conclude , it seems that being a pinholist may have some  -un
(?)-pleasant consequences :
- becoming fat by never ending eating all kinds of candies, cakes, oat
meal,  and drinking beer cans  to get the boxes for pinhole cams,
- becoming poor by buying all kinds of objects ( and even ...anything)
not for the merchandise itself but just for the container,
- having the place you live in changed in a genuine souk where no room
is left because you never stop to accumulate strange and absolutely unuseful
( for non-pinhole persons !) things in all kinds of matters (from steel to
fruits), all kind of sizes (from tiny matchbox to a caravan) and all kind of
shapes

You know what : I'm a happy pinholist   :-)

Cheers from France, with my special support for US people
Jean+

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From: Uptown Gallery  Frame Shop, LLC gall...@uptowngallery.org
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:20 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Pintoid and Celestial Seasonings Teas


 I'm hoarding an Altoid's tin and a Celestial Seasonings tea tin too.

 There are some French bon-bon hard candies that come in a round can,
 although some have switched to plastic cans.

 I was too busy lately to read the digests - I saw a message about Who
 we Are, and later Pintoid...

 I assumed Pintoid was a nickname for Pinhold enthusiasts until I took
 the time to read the messages.

 Murray

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[pinhole-discussion] 3 minutes of silence... for an eternity of hope.

[Jean Daubas]

Friday 12: 04

3 minutes of silence stopping just now, in Europe.

Stars and stripes now played at the Palais de l'Elysée in front of
Président Chirac.

All life stopped everywhere at home, at work, at schools., in
transportation.
Imagine by John Lennon played on Radios.

A little sign, of course in regards of pain and sorrow
but a GREAT feeling of solidarity

and all my Hopes for the future for ALL human beings everywhere on the world


From France, Jean

Re: Re: [pinhole-discussion] World Trade Center attacks

[Jean Daubas]

Thanks Eric

You may find another photograph of Dave with the twin towers opening an
article about Dave Frieder in the SEPT/OCT 2001 issue of Phototechniques
mag.

But for now, I have no pleasure at looking at photographs. I just cannot do
it. Need to go have a walk in the countryside, try to find some peace in
nature...
Jean

- Original Message -
From: pinholeren...@netscape.net
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:06 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [pinhole-discussion] World Trade Center attacks


 it seems that almost everyone in the tri-state area knows someone who
worked in the towers . it was a sight that will stay with me for the rest of
my life !
 david frieder photographed the manhatten bridge [from the top]with the
twin towers in the background . it is a great shot - check it out.
 _http://www.davefrieder.com/html/man1.htm

[pinhole-discussion] World Trade Center attacks

[Jean Daubas]

Apologize for being off-subject !

To all our US friends,

I heard of the attacks about one hour ago now ; I just want to express my
friendship to all of you and want to make you know  how i'm close to you in
these abject events.
Sorry for my off-topic; I needed to tell you.
Bon Courage
from France

Jean

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid 545 back

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all !


You will find plenty of practical info and useful advices on the Large
Format site maintained by QT Luong, where a whole chapter is devoted to all
kinds of holders and specially Grafmatik, Readyload, Fuji, Polaroïd .
Have a look at it!   The address is :
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~qtluong/photography/lf/holders.html

Hope it can help !
Happy pinholing, from France
Jean

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From: lva l...@pamho.net
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Polaroid 545 back

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Courses

[Jean Daubas]

Hello, Tati,

I do not directly know the Pinhole courses available in UK when you 'll be
there but I think the following link may help you to find something :
http://photocollege.net/FMPro?-db=PhotoColleges.fp3-format=wts.htm-SortFie
ld=sortname-Max=all-findall

Maybe the 1st part http://photocollege.net is sufficient. This link is part
of the British Journal of Photography web-site and offers a lot of info on
regular courses but also on workshop resources.
Do not forget to have a  look also in the  Events page of the Royal
Photographic Society at :
http://www.rps.org/prog.html
You will find there a calendar of various workshops, lectures, masterclasses
, etc organized by the RPS.

Hope it may help you,

Have a good trip and keep on pinholing !
Cheers from France
Jean

Jean Daubas,  auteur-photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec25440  LIESLEFrance
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:13 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Courses


 Hello!
 Does anybody know about pinhole courses or studies groups at UK? I'm going
to London on a trip and I would like to make a pinhole course there! If you
know any school or arts center when I could fins something, please, write
me!
 Thanks, Tati.


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD site navigation

[Jean Daubas]

Gregg,

Thanks for this great improvement !
Navigation is really comfortable now and gives all visitors a true freedom
of choice!

Bravo Gregg !

Jean

- Original Message -
From: Gregg Kemp gregg.kemp@p at ???
To: Pinhole Discussion List pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:58 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD site navigation


 Fellow WPPD exhibit navigators,

 I just copied up the new navigation for the pinhole day exhibit. This one
 allows you to go directly to the start or the end of the exhibit, page
 through one photo at a time, or enter a photo to go directly to. It
appears
 to be working pretty well, but as with all computer programs, there are
 likely to be some bugs as well.

 I would be grateful if anyone who finds a problem would please let me know
 at gregg@p at ???.

 Thanks,

 Gregg

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?

[Jean Daubas]

- Original Message -
From: Mike Vande Bunt mike.vandeb...@mixcom.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural
complement?


 Also, would it be possible to see an example
 of a negative printed on both regular paper and lith paper
 so that we can see what the contribution of the lith paper
 is?  (It is hard to tell if contrast / tonality is due to it being
 pinhole, or to the lith printmaking process.)

 Mike Vande Bunt


Hi all !
Very late reply...  Since Guy had introduced this Lith subject, I wanted
to post a very interesting resource book about lith printing where you could
find excellent comparisons between conventional and Lith prints from the
same negative.

The book, which I find excellent on many other subjects (especially toning
procedures) is :

BEYOND MONOCHROME, a Fine Art Printing Workshop
by Tony Worobiec and Ray Spence,
(c) 1999 ;  Published by : Fountain Press Ltd, Kingston upon
Thames, Surrey, UK
ISBN 0 86 343 313 8

There is a whole chapter dedicated to Lith printing, dealing with choice of
papers and developers, details of procedures and tests, solving specific
problems such as pepper fogging; one of the most interesting part is about
the combinations of lith printing with various toners and the very unique
results obtained with Lith + split toning. As for the whole book, the choice
of the photographs illustrating text descriptions is really perfect and the
details of print aspect are really very well rendered through the printing
process of the book.
Hope it helps, even if lately
and Happy Easter from France !

Jean

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Thanks for all the prayers!!!

[Jean Daubas]

Tom !

I was sure you could not prevent yourself from  Keep on Pinholin' And Big
Guy upstairs knew that, too !
Happy to find you back here !
And, K... o. P...'!
Jean

- Original Message -
From: Tom Lindsay tlind...@erols.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:51 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Thanks for all the prayers!!!


. Yeah I'm a nut when it
 comes down to doing pinhole and I'll shoot on every chance I get.
 Keep on Pinholin',
 Tom

Re: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD - THE MOST CHALLENGING PART

[Jean Daubas]

- Original Message -
From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] WPPD - THE MOST CHALLENGING PART


 The deep wisdom of pinhole...
 Guy

 Temi wrote:

  http://www.pinholeday.org
 
  Coordinating Team
 
  Gregg Kemp, (USA) (leader)
  Zernike Au (Hong Kong)
  Diana Bloomfield (USA)
  Jean Daubas (France)
  Larry Fratkin (USA)
  Guy Glorieux (Canada)
  James Kellar (USA)
  Edward Levinson (Japan)
  Pam Niedermayer (USA)
  Guillermo Peñate (El Salvador)
  George Smyth (USA)
 
  SETTING UP A TEAM SO THAT EVERY OTHER NAME - WHEN PLACED IN ALPHA ORDER
  - WOULD BE OUT OF THE USA MUST HAVE BEEN QUITE CHALLENGING.
 
  Temi
 


Temi,

As you know, photography is often a reversal process and we are accustomed
to travel from negative to positive and the reverse way...

So you can easily imagine that,
 setting up a team so that every other name - when placed in alpha
order -
  would be IN the USA must have been quite challenging
...at least for one half of our team...

:-))   this was just another formulation of your encouraging reaction!!!

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Help me Keep on Pinholin'!!!

[Jean Daubas]

Tom,

Our thoughts / prayers will specially accompany you on these first days of
April so that you will soon join again the pinholers' happy tribe !
Keep on Pinholin, Tom !!!
Jean

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From: Tom Lindsay tlind...@erols.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:04 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Help me Keep on Pinholin'!!!

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Beginning Paper?

[Jean Daubas]

Michael,

As Guillermo answered, basically any BW paper without water marks would do
it.

Though, there may be some issues to consider :
-  if you use curved plane cameras, I suggest you not to use glossy surface
paper :
the internal reflections inside the camera (box, can,etc) generally produce
two dark lines on the negative paper , where the reflection causes
over-exposure...  Give preference for matte or semi-matte  surfaces.
- RC papers have an advantage for drying fast and flat  (useful when you
contact the paper for making a positive!)
-  if you want to use Fibre base paper rather than RC, it is easier if you
plan to make contact positive prints from your pinhole negative papers to
use a thinner paper support, such as the Single-Weight FB,  VC paper
available at Freestyle Camera  www.freestylecamera.com at low cost.
Unfortunately, it seems you can no longer find this paper in an other
surface than Glossy ( inconvenient previously described ).
- VC papers seem for me the best choice since  you can easily adapt the
contrast of your paper negatives by using, while you make your picture,
multigrade filters in front of your pinhole. If consistently your paper
negatives are too contrasty and blocked up, use of a soft filter may help a
lot !

 FAST PAPER is an oxymoron. It has been agreed -sort of- in this list that
 ISO-6 is a good starting point for modern BW paper emulsion


Yes, this is a good basis but I notice that I'm more often close to ISO 4;
maybe, it is just because I prefer to expose towards over-exposure than
under-exposure...   More info settles on the support and you can always get
it back (take your time) as if there is no info recorded, you have nothing
to do  ;-(

Hope it helps

Cheers from France
Jean

 - Original Message -
From: G.Penate pen...@home.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Beginning Paper?



 - Original Message -
 From: Michael Georgoff (SAL-US) michael_georg...@trendmicro.com

  Can anyone recommend a good printing paper to start with for paper
 negative
  work?  I've only ever done pinhole onto negative film and had it lab
  processed.
 
  Any recommendations for a fast, easy to use beginner paper, and some
 clues
  for ASA speed of recommended papers?  (And why are there no positive
  papers??)

 Michael,
  Basically any BW paper without water marks would do it.  I
 like Ilford MGIV glossy.  Some people try to make the paper more
translucent
 (before they contact print it) by using wax (for instance), I don't.

 FAST PAPER is an oxymoron. It has been agreed -sort of- in this list that
 ISO-6 is a good starting point for modern BW paper emulsion.  As for
 positive papers, I believe some people do use them, some people do
 cibachrome pinhole photography, thing I have no experience with but pretty
 sure some others in this list can tell you more about.

 If you want a reciprocity table for BW paper, there is a table in one of
 the small articles I've written about pinhole, check my site.

 Guillermo
 http://members.home.net/penate/pinhole.html


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] A website pinhole discovery

[Jean Daubas]

About Isabelle Lousberg's The Széchenyi Baths  series.

These pictures are not pinhole photographs  (unlike Castles or Sunflowers).
In her introduction in French, Isabelle is just a little more precise about
the technique that in her English text ; she explains :

 Interesting subject for pinhole photography that I chose to cover using an
almost normal camera  because of technical and time reasons.  Human being
until then absent in the pictures (because of pinhole technique) now appears
floating between two waters


Very nice pictures even  if not pinhole ones !

I really do not think of any digital manipulation as I can feel Isabelle's
sensitivity and way of working through her statements .
Cheers from France
 Jean


- Original Message -
From: Jeff Dilcher dilc...@cueva.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] A website pinhole discovery


 Some of these pictures were definately
 very short exposure times.  For instance,
 the bath pictures, the water's action
 is stopped.  Anyone know how they did it?
 I thougth that perhaps the pinhole camera
 had a shutter on it, and extremely fast
 film was used.  But, the pictures almost
 don't seem grainy enough for that to be
 possible...

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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Multiple Pinholes

[Jean Daubas]

Temi,

I never succeeded in finding a safe formula for my multiple pinholes cameras
: there are really a lot of variables which influence the exposure . The
major ones seem to be :
- 1) the way you use multiple pinhole : opening /closing the various
pinholes simultaneously or not.  The sum of x exposures has not the same
effect than a  x time unique exposure
- 2) the disposal of your pinholes and the degree of overlapping picture
they generate. This determinates the fall off  which occurs on the outer
limits of the image formed by each pinhole.

So, depending on the plans of your camera and the relative size of pinholes
(if they are different), you will have to try to evaluate the way the light
will hit your film or paper on the other side.
As a rule, I generally give my preference to overexposure when I start
searching the right exposure because, in pinhole photography we are very
more often risking underexposure than overexposure. In practical conditions,
if you have a multiple pinhole camera with only 2 normally sized pinholes
spaced so that the overlapping zone is narrow, starting by determining
exposure for 1 pinhole and using it  for a simultaneous use of the 2
pinholes gets you very close to the right exposure...
But if you try a 30 pinholes camera with a match box, then, you will have to
take in account the total quantity of light (cumulative exposures) hitting
your film or paper !
I wish you good experiments !
Jean
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From: Temi t...@temioriginals.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Cc: Temi t...@temioriginals.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 12:00 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Multiple Pinholes


What is the best way to figure the approx time when using more than one
pinhole. There are a lot of variables as to placement of pinholes and
sizes, etc., but what is a good starting point to experiment. Would it
be best to come up with a total opening and figure time from this or to
figure time for one pinhole and then divide this by the number of
pinholes used.

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WPPD PR German Translation was Re: [pinhole-discussion] PRESS RELEASE! Worlwide Pinhole Photography Day

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Dieter,

Thanks for working on the German translation of PR.

you wrote :
  I am working on the German version already. Are we going to have the
translations on the web site, too, or are they just for distribution?
If so, to whom shall I mail it?

The translations will be used in 2 manners : directly, on the web
site  and also for all kinds of distribution (paper media, attached file
with an e-mail sent to a potential promotion target, etc.)
When your translation is over  - and I should suggest you to have a
crossed check of it with another multilingual German speaking member of
the list  (I am thinking of Beate Knappe if she accepts :
kna...@mail.stak.nrw.de) -  please be kind enough to send me your
translation so that I may make it available to be added to the site and that
we can label it as official and definitive German translation which can be
then distributed by promotioners to the German speaking contacts.
I' ll answer tour questions if needed

Thanks again for your help, Dieter,
Happy Pinholing
Jean



Jean Daubas,  auteur-photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec25440  LIESLEFrance
tél.   03 81 57 50 13   /   06 81 53 12 89
jean.dau...@freesbee.fr


- Original Message -
From: Dieter Bublitz dieter.bubl...@bingo-ev.de
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] PRESS RELEASE! Worlwide Pinhole
Photography Day

Re: [pinhole-discussion] World Wide Pinhole Photography Day

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all,

I directly posted a message in French to Christophe (whom I know from a
Belgian alt.photo list) to make him know how we are working on the WWPPD
project (co-coordinating team, work groups, etc.) and offering him to
contribute for some tasks. I asked him to get in direct touch with me so
that we can work also on the Regional level of French speaking countries
of Western Europe!

- Original Message -
From: James Kellar pinh...@jameskellar.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] World Wide Pinhole Photography Day


 Christophe,

 Welcome to the list. I believe the WWPPD is going to be a pretty exciting.

 James

Please vote ! was Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...

[Jean Daubas]

- Original Message -
From: Mike Vande Bunt mike.vandeb...@mixcom.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...

Hi all pinholers on the list !

Please allow me to recommend to all of you who have not yet expressed
themselves about  the future world wide pinhole day (temporary name) to do
it as soon as possible.
You have subscribed to the pinhole discussion list ! that means that by a
way or another, you are related to pinhole photography ! Maybe since
yesterday, maybe you began playing with tiny holes 60 years ago! You like to
create pinhole pictures and/or you like to look at other pinholers'
pictures. You believe in the perfect pinhole size calculated with maths
formulas or you just drill a hole in whatever old box stands in front of
you. You ... or you...
I don't mind. All I know is that we share our discoveries, our admirations,
our questions, our pleasures, our humour, our special visions of the world
on this list !
We are lucky for that. It is why plenty of us have thought that it would be
a good idea to share our luck with the rest of the world while acting all
together in a kind of giant worldwide game...
That was the World Pinhole Day act of birth less than 3 weeks ago...
Since then, some of us have tried to organize a little the things to help
transform a generous idea into an international event while never forgetting
that our only goal is to share the pleasure of pinhole photography and to
promote this not-so-well known practice of photography.
As we need to know your opinions about some major choices (name, date, etc.)
Pinhole polls have been open...
We could expect that nearly everybody on the list would vote because we are
ALL concerned by promoting and developing Pinhole photography... Many have
voted but not everyone!  Please vote now and participate in the soon to come
1st World Pinhole day ! It is not a great effort to make and it will
certainly bring to yourself and the whole pinholers' community plenty,
plenty of
satisfactions, discoveries and fun...
Gregg Kemp announced that the PINHOLE POLLS will be CLOSED on SUNDAY, 24:00
GMT. Do not wait too late for giving us your vote !
We need everybody's vote to support our (= your) challenging new project !
Rendez-vous at
http://www.p at ???/discussion/polls.php

Merci à tous !  Thanks to all !
...and happy pinholing
Jean

P.S. : Apologies for my bad English writing; all that is important is the
content : sharing with each of you my pinhole passion!

Jean Daubas,  auteur-photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec25440  LIESLEFrance
jean.dau...@freesbee.fr

Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all,

Considering the date for the first edition of the future Pinhole Day, which
is one of the issues which we have to vote for and which is the most
discussed issue about Pinhole Polls until now, I would like, if you allow
me, to add short comments.
It has been not even 3 weeks now since the idea of creating a Pinhole Day
has been generated by Valentines' Day.
Such an idea, if we want  to make it into a successful event, needs a
minimum of coordination, information spreading, technical preparation. Even
if we do not have oversized ambitions (and don't worry, we definitely have
not!), we discover everyday that the list of tasks to do is increasing in
number, needs for help and volunteers and that it will take a lot of energy
to have all the issues well mastered.
And of course, not everything is depending on the work of the members of the
organizing team. It depends also on help of the members of the list (= you!)
and on the reactivity of the external actors that we have to work with if we
want to succeed. Do not forget that one of the main features of the event is
to have a world-wide dimension; even if we know that we shall not have
participations from all parts of the world, we want to  really place this
event on an international basis. That alone requires distributing spreading
tasks (translations, sending info to target organizations, contacts with
local media, etc.) between volunteers and coordinating the coherence of
these tasks...
Publications of Press Release in various media supports must be synchronized
with each publication or magazine editorial rhythm  (often more than 5 weeks
for monthly mags...). Without taking care of these constraints, we shall not
be able to reach our goals :
 -have a large number of pinholers everywhere on Earth creating pinhole
pictures on the same day and loading them on the official Pinhole Day site
-display on a quality site all the pictures made on pinhole Day so that a
very large number of visitors can discover and/or appreciate the Pinhole Day
exhibit.

It is why, taking in consideration all these elements , my preferences go to
a distant date : 1st Sunday in June. Of course I may be wrong but I truly
fear that choosing a closer date (April) does not allow to work in
appropriate conditions and that it leads to a very unsatisfactory result.
On the opposite side, I would rather not wait for the fall (being admitted
that Summer  months are not a good choice for reasons already discussed
here) because I think It is too far and there is a risk that our enthusiasm
will have difficulties to maintain at the top level we know at the present
day! June seems realistic to me, even if we have still a lot of tasks to
execute!

In the Pinhole Polls at  http://www.p at ???/discussion/polls.php
(closing date : Sunday  24:00 GMT), you will notice that there are 2
equivalent choices offered : Sunday June 3rd and First Sunday of June(that
is June 3rd in 2001). First Sunday of June could become a regular basis for
next years Pinhole Days. If you have not yet expressed your vote, I wish
these comments will help you to build up your choice.
In all cases, it is a democratic mode of taking decisions and I shall
respect the will of the majority which will express, my only concern being
to contribute creating a true moment of pleasure for the largest number of
persons (photo submitters + web-site visitors)

Thanks for your patience reading my bad English
Happy pinholing !
Jean


Jean Daubas,  auteur-photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec25440  LIESLEFrance
jean.dau...@freesbee.fr

- Original Message -
From: Mike Vande Bunt mike.vandeb...@mixcom.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] the Pinhole Polls are open...


 The other reason to avoid summer is that summer does not
 happen at the same time in both hemispheres...

 Mike Vande Bunt

Re: [pinhole-discussion] couple of pictures

[Jean Daubas]

- Original Message -
From: G.Penate pen...@home.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 6:55 PM


  Paper or film won't bend around a tight sphere, only a cylinder.

Some months ago, I tried to build a small spherical film plane camera around
a tennis -ball basis. I had cut a tennis ball in 2 halves, took one of these
and built a pinhole lensboard which I adapted on the half ball.
I did many tries to fix adequately photo paper (single weight) and film in
this spherical back but I never succeeded to get a regular surface : it is
too difficult to bend equally such a surface in all directions : I got
scratches, wrinkles, tears, everything except a plain surface, and though my
patience goes far (as most pinholers), I finally gave the ball tennis to ...
my grey parrot to play with.
Jean



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Re: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole steering comittee

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Vojko !

Welcome to our pinhole world !
It's really good news to hear from this part of Europe and we shall be happy
to share your pinhole experience ! Maribor is a name that does not leave
indifferent...
Sure, there can be important tasks for you if you wish to help :
contributing in spreading info in your part of Europe about the
future World Pinhole Photography Day (name still to precise, as you know)
and maybe you wish to help on other aspects... (see the page:
p at ???/WPD/organization.html )
More info comes later
Cheers from France
Jean



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- Original Message -
From: Vojko FLIS
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:56 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] pinhole steering committee


Hi to all!

I am pretty new on net, but relatively old in pinhole photography. Currently
we are working on pinhole monography pictures about my own town Maribor. If
I could be of any help form this part of world, where pinhole photography is
rather a rare and extinct bird, I am willing to help with our experience.

Greetings from Maribor

Vojko Flis
Ljubljanska 5
2000 Maribor
Slovenia

vojko.f...@sb-mb.si

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Happy Pinholer's Day

[Jean Daubas]

Hi all happy pinholers,

Thanks to Anna for trying to make the World Wide Happy Pinholer's Day emerge
from the outer spaces (Beate, Guillermo, pull down your masks ! we have
recognized you... :-)) )
From dark holes to pin holes...
Count me in ! I don't mind the date : no closing hours or closing days for
my pinholes, if they have to fight for the right cause of the World Pinhole
Revolution...
Cheers from France
jean

+ welcome to the list, Anna !

- Original Message -
From: Anna Nilsson anna.nils...@pet.uu.se
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Happy Pinholer's Day


 Hello everybody!
 I'm new to the list and so far I like it a lot!!

 I have followed the discussion of the Happy Pinholer's Day (what a great
 idea!!!) and I feel there is a need for some kind of summary...

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Happy Valentine's Day

[Jean Daubas]

- Original Message -
From: G.Penate pen...@home.com wrote


 Having said all that, any day is a good day for pinholing!

 Guillermo

Hi Guillermo + all pinholers !
for me , pinholing is linked neither to the weather, nor to the latitude so
that any day in any place for any of us will be ok for me !
Of course, February 29th would be very representative of the legendary
pinholer's patience and flexible apprehension of time...but...
until then, have nice time pinholing !
cheers from France
Jean



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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: really big pinhole camera

[Jean Daubas]

In the small countryside village where I live in the East of France, there
is an association defending selective sorting of litter and recycling. About
one year ago, they organized a recuperation Saturday during which a large
tent was set up on the village square and a lot of information about
environmental protection was given to visitors.
People of this association invited me to show how I could transform all
kinds of boxes in cameras (they had already seen me wandering with old cake
metal boxes, cardboard boxes etc).Among the very various pinhole cameras I
showed was an old attaché-case with 2 pinholes which makes very nice
pictures on 11x 17 paper.
At the end of the afternoon I invited all present people to pose for a
direct pinhole group picture on 20x24 paper And guess what was the camera
? I wanted to stay in the tune of the day (litter recycling...); so I
transformed my own black plastic circular trash bin in a giant pinhole
camera. Easy trick : piercing black plastic and installing inside a pinhole
made in a steel foil. That made a very good camera, not too heavy, very
stable on the ground, easy to carry (2 handles), very practical to
load/unload ( the top lid is really lightproof without need of black
tape ).; Of course, I get strangely distorted pictures since not only the
piece of paper is curved because of the round shape but the distance to the
pinhole is not the same in the height axis  (because the plastic trash bin
is not cylindrical but a section of a cone -narrower at the bottom than at
the top-).
The pose for the group picture (about 40 people) vas 40 minutes!! Not
everybody was patient enough to stay in place but some did and for everyone
present, it has been a unique experience of being photographed by a trash
bin...
Ah... What are we going to invent for pinhole's sake ??
Let's go on pinholing,
Cheers from France,
Jean



---
 From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: really big pinhole camera


 As an example of a not-so-big pinhole camera, I'll just mention en
passant
 that I converted my former office briefcase from my times as a financial
 economist into an 8x10 pinhole.  Works fine, sort of James Bondish look to
 it...  -:))
 So, why not a suitcase?  It would obviously have quite a wide angle
 coverage...  Neat!

 Guy

 Steve Boerner wrote:

  I wonder if you could make a really big pinhole camera out of a
suitcase
  or foot locker from a garage sale?  (sure you could and it would be
  lighter, more stable, and already have a handle!)
 
 


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Reciprocity nightmare

[Jean Daubas]

Guy,
Excellent !!! (en français dans le texte...)
Pourquoi faire simple quand on peut faire compliqué ?

Why do it simple when you can do it complicated ?
Sorry for everybody : I am not quite sure of this word- to- word translation
of this old french idiomatic sentence ! Maybe someone can give me the
english/american equivalent for it.
Let's go pinholing with or without maths, PDA, songs... but surely with our
open eyes, sensible heart, some light and plenty of childish pleasure !
Jean

- Original Message -
From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca
To: Pinhole List pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:17 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Reciprocity nightmare


 I had a dream...

 It was a dark, lonely night and I was out with my 8x10 PH camera.  The
 New Moon was further darkened by an incredibly rare simultaneous eclipse
 of the sun and the moon.  I could barely see my hands and feet as I
 walked to the scene I was about to shoot for that winning picture for
 the First International Nocturne Pinhole Exhibition.  Ten times before
 leaving I had checked that my film holders were fully loaded with film.

 A single word kept swirling in my mind:r e c i p r o c i t y

 I must not fail, I must not fail, I kept repeting to myself in the
 darkness of the darkest forest.

 Formulas kept poping up in my mind: 10% compound; one-over-the
 square-root of the inverse of the sunny-16 times three times the speed
 of my film; add twice the diameter of my pinhole divided by the focal
 length of my camera to the exposure time estimated for the 3rd f-stop on
 my right and multiply the cosinus by the coefficient of uncertainty...
 I knew I could do it.  How could I fail with all this simple mathematics
 so well spelled out on The list.

 Something tryied to grab me in the dark.  I gave it a sharp blow and the
 thing went blonk.  Nothing could stop me from winning the top prize of
 the Nocturne Pinhole Exhibition at Pinhole Vision.

 Finally I reached the scene.  It was a wonderful landscape I had spotted
 two days ago after hours of walk in the country side.  I set the camera
 on the tripod.  The temperature was a chilling 25 below freezing but I
 was well covered for a long wait. With my flashlight, I carefully read
 the spotmeter's reading and worked out the reciprocity factor on my
 PDA.  258 hours, 64 minutes and 12 seconds... Hmmm...  Add a couple
 hours, just to make sure... It was just that simple!

 I knew I could do it.  But, rats, I suddenly realized that the final
 deadline for submitting the print was tomorrow with an exposure time of
 well over 10 days.  I forgot to factor that into my equation...  -:((

 Guy Glorieux





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Re: [pinhole-discussion] swap

[Jean Daubas]

Hello pinholers,

I would not like to annoy any more the members of the pinhole list but I
have a doubt about the correct transmission of my message of last tuesday.
By the fact, I got some problems on my PC and with my e-mail software. I'm
not sure my post has actually been sent to the list; what makes me think of
that problem is that I see numerous people answering to James's proposition
for a new print swap but I find none of them expresing any comments or
answers about the suggestions I made in my message. James asked us to
express ideas while we affirmed our will of participation in this new
swap...
It's why I beg your indulgence and allow myself to send you again my first
post, in order to be sure that it reaches all members of the list.
Sorry for the eventuality of a double exposure to my bad english!
Have a merry Christmas and thanks to all of you pinholers for the high
quality and the nice open mind (...open bodily orifices seem to find their
way too...) of this list
Pinholing cheers from France
Jean


Original message from Jean Daubas  was sent to the list on :
Tuesday, December 19, 2000 12:27 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new Print swap


 Hello James and all pinhole swappers !

 When I started my PC this morning, I wanted to post a message about
 launching a new print swap since the last one was some months ago now...
 What a surprise when, reading the posts arrived during the night, I
 discovered James' mailing and his intention of organizing a new print swap
!
 Coincidence or overseas telepathy ?
 I've been lucky participating in the 2 previous Pinhole print swaps : the
 first one already organised by James in 1999 (14 swappers) and the Zero
2000
 Print Swap which i myself coordinated in the spring of this year (18
 swappers, several among us were already present in the 1st print swap).
 The 2 swaps have been wonderful experiences for me; the pleasure of
opening
 your mail-box and finding envelopes coming from various countries , the
 surprise of opening these envelopes and discovering pictures and words
from
 people you don't know... Pleasure of sending one of of my own pictures to
 everybody !
 And after, pleasure of finding a way of keeping and enjoying this
collection
 of pictures and letters ( I manufactured large albums for each of the
swaps)
 !
 Now, James, you ask us some ideas... So, I would like to express  comments
 originated by my 2 first experiences.

 - 1 -  The first Print Swap was a  no imposed subject swap and the
second
 one was a  imposed camera (Zero 2000) print swap. I personnaly think
that,
 if we are going to repeat swaps on a regular basis (i.e. 2 or 3 by year)
it
 would be better to define a subject, which gives some coherence ; of
 course, this subject has to be broad enough to respect every swapper's
 freedom and also to obtain a collection showing the diversity of ways to
 express a subject by pinhole pictures !

 - 2  - The other comment is maybe more personal and is about the number of
 prints : I must say that 1 only picture has been for me frustrating; I
mean
 that I had difficulties to choose a single picture to send to the
swappers.
 The prints I sent were always belonging to series and I felt frustrated to
 reduce my work to a one picture only ! I was not alone in this case
since
 I noticed that some of the swappers did not send the same pictures to all
 swappers, which mean they did not want to make a single selection ! Of
 course this depends on the way everybody works and I would not allow
myself
 to express any judgment; I only know that, for myself, pinhole pictures
 always belong to a kind of continuous work since for me pinhole
 photography is a slow process used to keep traces and to express duration
 and depht of vision upon apparences. It's why a single picture has just a
 little meaning for me.
 Is it possible to imagine a Print swap in which we would send a small
serie
 of 3 pictures for example ?
 It is just a question about which I would like everybody to express; of
 course I am perfectly aware of the difficulties arised by such a
proposition
 : a lot of time and of course the economical cost of 3 prints instead of 1
 ( I am very sensible to these problems since I go on with traditional FB
 paper darkroom work, which is time consuming and costly). I just wanted to
 express my frustration about the 1- picture swaps. All comments are
 welcome since I cannot make a clear opinion about that ...

 So, I am ready to sign for the next print swap and you can count on my
 participation.
 If I had been the first to express the intention of launching a new swap,I
 would probably have suggested a subject as self- portrait (I presume
nearly
 each of us photographers keep a trace of ourselves from time to time on
our
 pictures). self portraiture seems to be a not-too-narrow subject since
 there are so many ways to be present in a picture.
 All Comments about this idea are welcome !


 Please apologize for my approximate use of English !

 I'm eager

[pinhole-discussion] new Print swap

[Jean Daubas]

Hello James and all pinhole swappers !

When I started my PC this morning, I wanted to post a message about
launching a new print swap since the last one was some months ago now...
What a surprise when, reading the posts arrived during the night, I
discovered James' mailing and his intention of organizing a new print swap !
Coincidence or overseas telepathy ?
I've been lucky participating in the 2 previous Pinhole print swaps : the
first one already organised by James in 1999 (14 swappers) and the Zero 2000
Print Swap which i myself coordinated in the spring of this year (18
swappers, several among us were already present in the 1st print swap).
The 2 swaps have been wonderful experiences for me; the pleasure of opening
your mail-box and finding envelopes coming from various countries , the
surprise of opening these envelopes and discovering pictures and words from
people you don't know... Pleasure of sending one of of my own pictures to
everybody !
And after, pleasure of finding a way of keeping and enjoying this collection
of pictures and letters ( I manufactured large albums for each of the swaps)
!
Now, James, you ask us some ideas... So, I would like to express  comments
originated by my 2 first experiences.

- 1 -  The first Print Swap was a  no imposed subject swap and the second
one was a  imposed camera (Zero 2000) print swap. I personnaly think that,
if we are going to repeat swaps on a regular basis (i.e. 2 or 3 by year) it
would be better to define a subject, which gives some coherence ; of
course, this subject has to be broad enough to respect every swapper's
freedom and also to obtain a collection showing the diversity of ways to
express a subject by pinhole pictures !

- 2  - The other comment is maybe more personal and is about the number of
prints : I must say that 1 only picture has been for me frustrating; I mean
that I had difficulties to choose a single picture to send to the swappers.
The prints I sent were always belonging to series and I felt frustrated to
reduce my work to a one picture only ! I was not alone in this case since
I noticed that some of the swappers did not send the same pictures to all
swappers, which mean they did not want to make a single selection ! Of
course this depends on the way everybody works and I would not allow myself
to express any judgment; I only know that, for myself, pinhole pictures
always belong to a kind of continuous work since for me pinhole
photography is a slow process used to keep traces and to express duration
and depht of vision upon apparences. It's why a single picture has just a
little meaning for me.
Is it possible to imagine a Print swap in which we would send a small serie
of 3 pictures for example ?
It is just a question about which I would like everybody to express; of
course I am perfectly aware of the difficulties arised by such a proposition
: a lot of time and of course the economical cost of 3 prints instead of 1
( I am very sensible to these problems since I go on with traditional FB
paper darkroom work, which is time consuming and costly). I just wanted to
express my frustration about the 1- picture swaps. All comments are
welcome since I cannot make a clear opinion about that ...

So, I am ready to sign for the next print swap and you can count on my
participation.
If I had been the first to express the intention of launching a new swap,I
would probably have suggested a subject as self- portrait (I presume nearly
each of us photographers keep a trace of ourselves from time to time on our
pictures). self portraiture seems to be a not-too-narrow subject since
there are so many ways to be present in a picture.
All Comments about this idea are welcome !


Please apologize for my approximate use of English !

I'm eager to read your opinions and suggestions ! Thanks you, James, for
organizing the next swap and tell us if we can help you.
All pinholers, have a nice Christmas and a great new pinholing century  !!!
Kisses from France
Jean


Jean Daubas,  auteur-photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec25440  LIESLEFrance
tél.   03 81 57 50 13   /   06 81 53 12 89
jean.dau...@freesbee.fr


- Original Message -
From: James Kellar ja...@kellar.com
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 12:51 AM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] December Mailing


 I would also like to announce that I will be organizing a print swap in
the
 up coming year. If your interested in participating start sending me your
 ideas.

 Go out a take a pinhole photo.

 James

Sorry (was Re: [pinhole-discussion] Thank's a lot)

[Jean Daubas]

Sorry everybody on the list...
My previous message (in french) was intended to reach only jacques chouteau !  
I forgot that the reply button was not so selective and that my post would 
bother all other participants of the list...
Won't do it again!
Well, cheers from France and keep on pinholig!
 Jean

Jean Daubas,  auteur - photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec 25440 LIESLEFrance  03 81 57 50 13
jean.dau...@freesbee.fr


- Original Message - 
  From: Jean Daubas 
  To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Thank's a lot


  Bonjour jacques,

  Bienvenue dans le monde merveilleux du sténopé !
  Je suis un fervent sténopiste participant depuis longtemps à la pinhole 
list... C'est vrai que p at ??? est un site passionnant! Je suis 
auteur-photographe en Franche-Comté et, adorant transmettre aux jeunes ou moins 
jeunes ma passion, j'ai souvent l'occasion d'être intervenant dans le cadre de 
l'Éducation Nationale (stages de formation pour professeurs des écoles, 
Ateliers de pratiques Artistiques en primaire, collèges, ateliers photo en 
lycées, etc.)
  J'ai déjà plusieurs fois conduit des ateliers sténopé y compris en collège et 
la tranche des 11- 14 est très bien choisie: en général les enfants se 
passionnent pour le côté expérimental et créatif de la boîte qu'ils ont 
construite !
  Bien entendu, je reste à votre disposition pour tous conseils, questions, ou 
autres. N'hésitez pas.
  Bon courage, bons sténopés
   Jean
  

  Jean Daubas,  auteur - photographe
  Rue de Bourg-Sec 25440 LIESLEFrance  03 81 57 50 13
  jean.dau...@freesbee.fr

- Original Message - 
From: j.chout...@mageos.com 
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? 
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:46 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Thank's a lot


Hello,

Sorry, I haven't speak english since a long time ...

I 'm a physic teacher in a college. The children are 11 years old to 14 
yeas old.
I wanted to make photo witch them but we don't have enought camera.

I want to thank every one whose have done some thing to this web site. I 
have found a lot of informations and i will make pinhole camera with them.
 
If the result is good i'll send you their smiles...

Thank's a lot for them, they will be happy, i'm sure.

Jacques chouteau.   (France) 

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Thank's a lot

[Jean Daubas]

Bonjour jacques,

Bienvenue dans le monde merveilleux du sténopé !
Je suis un fervent sténopiste participant depuis longtemps à la pinhole 
list... C'est vrai que p at ??? est un site passionnant! Je suis 
auteur-photographe en Franche-Comté et, adorant transmettre aux jeunes ou moins 
jeunes ma passion, j'ai souvent l'occasion d'être intervenant dans le cadre de 
l'Éducation Nationale (stages de formation pour professeurs des écoles, 
Ateliers de pratiques Artistiques en primaire, collèges, ateliers photo en 
lycées, etc.)
J'ai déjà plusieurs fois conduit des ateliers sténopé y compris en collège et 
la tranche des 11- 14 est très bien choisie: en général les enfants se 
passionnent pour le côté expérimental et créatif de la boîte qu'ils ont 
construite !
Bien entendu, je reste à votre disposition pour tous conseils, questions, ou 
autres. N'hésitez pas.
Bon courage, bons sténopés
 Jean

Jean Daubas,  auteur - photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec 25440 LIESLEFrance  03 81 57 50 13
jean.dau...@freesbee.fr

  - Original Message - 
  From: j.chout...@mageos.com 
  To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? 
  Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:46 PM
  Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Thank's a lot


  Hello,

  Sorry, I haven't speak english since a long time ...

  I 'm a physic teacher in a college. The children are 11 years old to 14 yeas 
old.
  I wanted to make photo witch them but we don't have enought camera.

  I want to thank every one whose have done some thing to this web site. I have 
found a lot of informations and i will make pinhole camera with them.
   
  If the result is good i'll send you their smiles...

  Thank's a lot for them, they will be happy, i'm sure.

  Jacques chouteau.   (France) 

Rain drives my PC crazy (was :Re: [pinhole-discussion] Newcomer)...

[Jean Daubas]

Damned !
some surrealistic linguage transformations seemed to occur in my answer to
Herbert'spost !
My eyes could not believe the strange words created by my PC -neither
english, nor french- in my previous message :
 falling down all night long an thés mornifle toi. it. dis not privent
me
 from.
 gong outsider on y mounda biche vit sevrage hand cameras : watt I
 lice in bade weber fis te opportunité to world vit vert long exposures

The best readers have probably succeeded in retrieving the original truth
(!) :
(...) ...falling down all night long and this morning too. It did not
prevent me from going outside on my mountain bike with several hand-made
cameras : what I like in bad weather is the opportunity to work with very
long exposures... (...)

I begin to believe that  my Text software is a pinhole text software,
bringing us a vision upon words as strange and impredictable than the new
reality of the world offerred to us pinholers by our funny black holes
cameras.
Apologizes for these distorsions (added to my bad use of english linguage!).
Jean

- Original Message -
From: Jean Daubas jean.dau...@freesbee.fr
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Newcomer


  Original Message -
 From: Herbert Josef Gruenbauer hgr...@attglobal.net
 To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
 Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 1:19 PM
 Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Newcomer


  Hello black hole experts ;-)
 .
  All the best to all of you from Munich City, Germany. Today it's
  rainig cats and dogs ;-) - no weather for pinhole camera photographers
  ;-).
  Have a nice day  smile  ---  HERBERT
 

 Hello Herbert,
 welcome to the pinhole list !
 About the weather : here, in the east of France, rain has been going on
 falling down all night long an thés mornifle toi. it. dis not privent me
 from.
 gong outsider on y mounda biche vit sevrage hand cameras : watt I
 lice in bade weber fis te opportunité to world vit vert long exposures
 recording lines of rain drops and the subtilities of rain drops hitting
the
 ground just in front of the black hole as you name it...
 Wish you happy pinholing rainy hours !!!
  Jean
 --
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 Rue de Bourg-Sec 25440 LIESLEFrance  03 81 57 50 13
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] Newcomer

[Jean Daubas]

 Original Message -
From: Herbert Josef Gruenbauer hgr...@attglobal.net
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 1:19 PM
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Newcomer


 Hello black hole experts ;-)
.
 All the best to all of you from Munich City, Germany. Today it's
 rainig cats and dogs ;-) - no weather for pinhole camera photographers
 ;-).
 Have a nice day  smile  ---  HERBERT


Hello Herbert,
welcome to the pinhole list !
About the weather : here, in the east of France, rain has been going on
falling down all night long an thés mornifle toi. it. dis not privent me
from.
gong outsider on y mounda biche vit sevrage hand cameras : watt I
lice in bade weber fis te opportunité to world vit vert long exposures
recording lines of rain drops and the subtilities of rain drops hitting the
ground just in front of the black hole as you name it...
Wish you happy pinholing rainy hours !!!
 Jean


Jean Daubas,  auteur - photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec 25440 LIESLEFrance  03 81 57 50 13
jean.dau...@freesbee.fr

Re: [pinhole-discussion] mail is broken, list is broken, testing

[Jean Daubas]

Hello Gregg !
It's OK  now and I can read your posts...
Thanks for all your efforts and work to make this high quality list work so
efficiently !
And I  grab this opportunity to thank all contributors to the pinhole list
for the richness of the discussions and the exquisite high level of respect
for each other's point of view. I'm sure this intellectual and
humanquality has something to do with our very peculiar way to see/view
the world through the uncertainty of our strange so modest (and essential !)
cameras and their tiny pinholes...
Let's go pinholing
Cheers from France
 Jean


Jean Daubas,  auteur - photographe
Rue de Bourg-Sec 25440 LIESLEFrance  03 81 57 50 13


- Original Message -
From: Gregg Kemp gregg.kemp@p at ???
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] mail is broken, list is broken, testing


 testing again...

  p at ???munity, come in.  Can you read me?  over...

 Gregg

 At 11:47 AM 9/30/00 -0400, you wrote:
 Test posting.
 
 As a result of recent upgrades to my server, there is an unresolved
 problem with my email and with the list mail.  I'm working on getting
this
 resolved and will notify everyone when things are working again.
 
 Gregg
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