RE: EXTERNAL: Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month

[Roarty, Francis X]

On 5/24/ Jones Beene said “there is no valid reason to deny that what we may 
denote s a "UFO" event is in fact both real but also completely non-physical in 
our 3-space"
I agree and would include Lorentzian navigation under that moniker since it 
dispels arguments over impossible speeds, changes in vector, lack of sonic 
booms and spotty radar returns. It also would align with methods like Navy 
engineer Paris proposed in his patents, the lethal G forces and seemingly 
impossible displacement of tic tacs are actually indications of Lorentzian 
effect but not based on near C velocity – a space craft with a field that 
shields it from normal spacetime can experience time faster than we on a 
relatively stationary planet experience it, like we perceive the near C paradox 
twin as being in stasis so would an observer inside one of these Paris fields 
see his own twin on earth as in stasis. The difference is that the Paris field 
doesn’t have to fight for a significant trig portion of C but has the much 
easier task of resisting the flow of VP thru a small enclosure of 3 space, and 
navigation could be as simple as shaping that resistance to VP flow like a sail 
– always forward on time axis but perpendicular to 3 space.

From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 9:14 AM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a 
month

Coincidentally - this turned up in the morning's news feed...

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/when-lab-experiments-carry-theological-implications

Looking beyond so-called 'common sense' and/or 'scientific proof' - in the 
broader debate over the reality of ET phenomena - there is no valid reason to 
deny that what we may denote s a "UFO" event is in fact both real but also 
completely non-physical in our 3-space ... which echoes an earlier observation 
in this thread.

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Jones, I still suspect Casimir geometry is actually relativistic and the 
math they are using is giving the dimensions from  local hydrogen perspective 
while from our perspective the hydrogen inside the hydride dilates becoming 
both faster and “relatively” smaller, packing out further and further on the 
temporal axis while simultaneously getting harder and harder to detect from the 
macro world. I think Mills was accurate about self catalyzing of fractional 
hydrogen when trapped in a lattice, like cheerleaders forming a pyramid with 
the lattice as just the ground floor I suspect they can dilate out from the 3d 
base structure of the metal lattice and form blankets of fractional hydrogen in 
either temporal direction from the lattice.
Fran


From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 9:19 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

I was hoping that this new discovery would show much tighter hydrogen spacing - 
in keeping with the various theories for dense hydrogen.

However, the spacing is far from pico and not extremely compact at all, and 
therefore this may result may not be related to LENR.

Fortunately, there is a lot of work going on in superhydrides - and this work 
aligns with the long-held suspicion that a transient form of superconductivity 
at greater than room temperature - and the occurrence of LENR are somehow 
related.

Here is a related paper on another superhydride with a massive 9:1 atomic 
ratio. Ratios of nine or ten to one are possible with high pressure.

https://phys.org/news/2019-10-impossible-superconductor.html

It is only a matter of time until a breakthrough occurs in this field and the 
extreme pressures now being used, become superfluous.



Terry Blanton wrote:

An international team of researchers has discovered the hydrogen atoms in a 
metal hydride material are much more tightly spaced than had been predicted for 
decades — a feature that could possibly facilitate superconductivity at or near 
room temperature and pressure.

https://scitechdaily.com/room-temperature-superconductor-breakthrough-at-oak-ridge-national-laboratory/

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:How quantum mechanics works

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil,
Does it have to have negative mass from it’s own local perspective/temporal 
frame? If the momentum includes relativistic terms then Lorentzian effects 
might still limit local velocity to C. Which, I assume, is why you included 
“whenever” with “wherever” the unseen muons have gone. if I am reading your 
theory correctly, there should be a LOT of energy being temporally  and 
spatially distributed so there should be easier to find indicators than muons, 
Note the calculation is beyond my skill set but assuming lethal radiation is 
dissipating over great distance via Lorentzian translation/dilation what should 
we be looking for ,and when does it arrives in  our frame? Time delay, 
frequency translation? I think you may be close to a solution.
Fran

From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2019 5:32 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:How quantum mechanics works

What exactly are tachyonic fields?

Domino Valdano, PhD Theoretical Physics

In Einstein's theory of special relativity, the relationship between the 
energy, momentum, and mass of a particle is E2=(pc)^2+(mc2)^2

It was realized early on that if you plug in a negative value for m2 into this 
equation, you get a combination of momentum and energy that implies the 
particle must always travel faster than light.  That is, v=pc2/E>c

While the equations are consistent, it was never clear whether such a particle, 
which would have to have imaginary mass, could make sense or exist in the real 
world.

In light of quantum field theory, now particles are thought of as excitations 
of a quantum field near the minimum of its potential energy curve.  And there 
are now a couple different definitions of mass.  One of the definitions of mass 
(sometimes called the "bare mass") is the square root of the quadratic 
coefficient of a quantum field in its potential energy.  In many cases, this 
mass can be imaginary, and so it is sometimes called a "tachyonic mass".  
However, in any known physical cases where this happens (the most famous case 
being the Higgs boson), there is a change of coordinates one can do such that 
in the new coordinates, the mass is real and the physical particle travels at 
less than the speed of light.  The "physical mass" of a particle is the square 
root of the quadratic coefficient of a field at the minimum of it's potential 
energy curve, which is by definition always real.

If the mass-squared for some field like the Higgs is negative, what that means 
is that you're looking at a maximum (unstable point) of the potential energy 
curve rather than the minimum.  Excitations near the maximum are not actually 
particles.  If there is a field which has only a maximum and no minimum, then 
it is truly a tachyonic field (since there is no coordinate transformation you 
can do to make the mass real).  This signifies that there is something wrong 
with the theory because there is no ground state energy for the field--and 
hence it cannot exist in the real world.  Some people like to say that a 
tachyonic field represents an "instability of the vacuum".  I would go a step 
further and say that it represents a field which has no vacuum (ground state).

In summary, tachyons do show up in theoretical physics sometimes, but because 
physical particles must have a real (not an imaginary) physical mass, there are 
no particles in the real world which can travel faster than light.

--

A tachyonic field is a field that produces and instability in the vacuum. The 
Higgs field is the the primary component of the vacuum and it is like a large 
pole that is finely balanced on the sharp point of  pin. A tachyonic field 
produces an instability of the vacuum like a force that disturbs the finely 
balanced pole that when perturbed  will cause that pole to fall to a minimum 
energy state.
-

In his lecture on string theory and m-theory Lenny Susskind says that tachyons 
don't really move faster than the speed of light, and only "crackpots" will 
tell you that. Instead it has to do with that the vacuum is unstable, and that 
this is the source of the tachyons. If you want to watch the whole thing you 
can see it here:

He starts to talk about the tachyonic field somewhere about 46:00

https://youtu.be/gCyImLu0HSI?t=2766
---

In summary, what Holmlid has done is create a mechanism that recreates a 
tachyonic field (a Higgs field) that produces an instability is the vacuum that 
causes matter to become unstable. This mechanism is the fundamental basis 
behind the transmutation process.

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:13 PM Axil Axil 
mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What the Holmlid reaction shows is the naked transmutation process. This naked 
transmutation process is not hidden from our reality by superposition caused by 

[Vo]:Could vacuum physics be revealed by laser-driven microbubble?

[Roarty, Francis X]

Could vacuum physics be revealed by laser-driven 
microbubble?


Scientists at Osaka University discovered a novel mechanism which they refer to 
as microbubble implosion (MBI) in 2018. In MBI, super-high energy hydrogen ions 
(relativistic protons) are emitted at the moment when bubbles shrink to atomic 
size through the irradiation of hydrides with micron-sized spherical bubbles by 
ultraintense, ultrashort laser pulses.

In this study, the group led by Masakatsu Murakami confirmed that during MBI, 
an ultrahigh electrostatic field close to the Schwinger field could be achieved 
because micron-sized bubbles embedded in a solid hydride target implode to have 
nanometer-sized diameters upon ionization.

[Vo]:room temperature superconductor

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://thewire.in/the-sciences/iisc-room-temperature-superconductor-gold-silver-magnetic-susceptibility

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be the precursor to all future devices

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil,
I agree with where you are going  here “This difference in the perspective of 
time is why we see no nuclear activity going on at or inside the EMF horizon”. 
Fusion artifact wavelengths must translate down as the frames deteriorates such 
that they are not lethal or even recognized as dangerous radiation by the time 
they leak back into our frame. It takes the gravity well of a neutron star to 
reduce the frequency of a laser beam escaping from it into space by over 10% 
and I am still suggesting that Nano cavities and self catalyzing geometry of 
the gas atoms within it can exceed those lose levels from a negative 
perspective, nesting much further down than just the familiar active Casimir 
sub 10nm range forming the hard surfaces. I believe that catalytic interactions 
in these cavities between the fractional hydrogen molecules of different frames 
can exceed unity, disassociating  from heat and stress on the bond from changes 
in frames and then reassociation almost instantly in the local frame while 
still being pushed along into  different frames that again weakens the 
threshold in a runaway-bootstrap stage that powers this dilated fusion. Rather 
than adding energy to accelerate toward C or using the mass of a collapsed star 
this method restricts the baseline vacuum density of the isotropy from passing 
thru the cavity, lowering the density of virtual particles in our macro 
isotropy below that of even deep space. The perspective of a Nano observer in 
one of these dilated regions would be an analog of our macro perspective of the 
near C Paradox twin. The Nano observer would as you said perceive everything as 
normal but see us in the macro world as frozen in time.
R
Fran

From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 5:51 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be 
theprecursor to all future devices

Twin Paradox in General Relativity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjHLboK2M1g
From the perspective of the people in the world outside of the EMF event 
horizon, the speed that things are happening on or inside that horizon is 
ultra-fast. But at that  horizon, the speed that things are happening is 
occurring at a normal speed.
This difference in the perspective of time is why we see no nuclear activity 
going on at or inside the EMF horizon.  These nuclear reactions happen 
instantaneously from our perspective even if the radioactive isotope takes 
billions of years to stabilize.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 5:16 PM Axil Axil 
mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is no telling what elements will be transformed by the LENR reaction. 
When the LENR active agent get hold of palladium and deuterium, silver might be 
formed rather than just helium. The mesh should be examined in a SEM scan to 
see if there is some non palladium elements present on the nickel mesh.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 5:03 PM JonesBeene 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
From: Jürg Wyttenbach


  *   In the Mizuno case we certainly will see 4-He with a 4-He a part > that 
106 of the 3-He part.

Jürg

If Mizuno is producing helium then it should show up very distinctly when he 
looks for it- since the total gas inventory is so low and the power is so high 
that the ratio of He:D after along run will leave no doubt. As of now – that 
evidence is lacking.

It is too bad that we do not have more information now – as this experiment is 
uniquely positioned to see it and if fount then it makes a huge difference in 
what to expect from future devices. I’m on record as predicting there will be 
none, well … only incidental Helium – possibly unmeasurable.

Mizuno clearly states nickel is the host reactant – not the tiny amount of 
palladium.

Where is the reliable evidence for helium being produced from nickel/deuterium?

Jones

Re: [Vo]:UFOs are getting dangerous

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Terry,
I would lean toward trans temporal since it immediately resolves the anomalous 
accelerations and seemingly sudden turns as time dilation and Lorentzian 
contraction combine when a craft employs a temporal vector. Changes in heading 
by either craft can give the impression of huge acceleration for same reason as 
light poles in our peripheral vision flashing past when we sit in a speeding 
car. No crushing G forces just time dilation/ contraction.. I keep including 
contraction because the vehicle's spatial position has to shadow an actual 
position out on the hypotenuse between time and space and when the alien craft 
appeared to be flying dangerously close between two Navy planes it may have 
been telling us something.. I suspect the alien craft was far larger than the 
1st aircraft and his wingman thought, they made assumptions based on their own  
close spatial position but a 4D temporal craft can be far more displaced and 
larger than the 3D navy aircraft observing it. I'm thinking hundreds of feet 
between the aircraft but the alien ship was thousands or more feet away on the 
hypotenuse between .. would love to get a description of their visuals to know 
if they maintained  normal size view of each other  when the alien craft flew 
between/ their visual observations, the radar and the flir during this event 
would be really interesting if available.

Fran

[Vo]:kubas-binding

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://www.theengineer.co.uk/hydrogen-kubas-binding/

[Vo]:viktor Grebennikov

[Roarty, Francis X]

  I almost dismissed the viktor grebennikov articles but the cavity 
effect is intriguing and the videos Ive seen of the way the beetle wing 
levitates above another wing looks similar to meisner effect. It also fits into 
my pet theory that casimir cavities can dialate ambient gas molecules in the 
cavities into different relativistic states that act like brakes on inertia, 
remember my relativistic interpretation of casimir effect.. that all the 
virtual vacuum lengths still exist between casimir geometry but are dialated to 
fit?  If the videos are true then maybe mother nature figured out how to stack 
cavities without cancelling out. I havent been able to find much new 
information or synthetic cavity research, any suggestions or related? I would 
have like to see a wing pair better isolated from the bench in most videos - 
like on glass isolated and elovated up while one wing levitates to eliminate 
some of the variables.

[Vo]:cooling engine Maxwellian demon

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://phys.org/news/2019-03-quantum-fuel-cooling.html

Could the quantum freezing effect of entangled pairs mentioned above be the 
hidden factor in anomalous heat?... if you are freezing a region under 
observation than you are "transporting" the heat to wherever the other half of 
each entangled hydrogen pair has migrated. Perhaps an accidental quantum effect 
of thermal instrumentation and hydrogen loaded metal regions to self-segregate 
as a result of observing or recording the data, The cold region has to be 
balanced by transporting the heat to entangled hydrogen elsewhere in the larger 
entangled region randomly creating hot spots, as the article says this action 
equates to a Maxwellian demon. Like many of the suggestions in this forum wrt 
to duty factor and resonance the article refers to a cooling engine that can 
only be exploited by specific frequency /duty factors to produce energy from 
the created reservoirs. It would explain the difficulty of LENR reproductions 
if the success of an LENR experiment actually requires instrumentation of 
material in a quantum state, the measurement forcing entangled pairs to 
transfer quanta with the observed region always steering heat away.

Fran

[Vo]:5th force

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://www.nature.com/news/has-a-hungarian-physics-lab-found-a-fifth-force-of-nature-1.19957

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:This could be the start of something big

[Roarty, Francis X]

Calcium is a transition metal… found in limestone and coral and several 
levitation legends.

From: JonesBeene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 2:06 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:This could be the start of something big

https://arxiv.org/abs/1807.08572

“Evidence for Superconductivity at Ambient Temperature and Pressure in 
Nanostructures”

Dev Kumar Thapa, Anshu Pandey  (Submitted on 23 Jul 2018) India Institute of 
Science.

Specifically the authors who appear to be relatively unknown, found the HTSC 
and Meissner effect in silver nanoparticles embedded in a gold matrix.

However, it seems clear that  they expect more depth to the discovery than only 
gold and silver - and hopefully other less expensive combinations may turn up.

They started with a view towards discovering “non-phonon based electron pairing 
mechanisms” – IOW plasmonic.

Au and Ag are of course expensive precious metals with excellent normal 
conductivity, both thermal and electric, and notably both have low 
electron-phonon coupling and are not known to exhibit a superconducting state 
independently. Is that basic set of parameters the start of a formula which 
leads to other pairs such as zinc and cadmium or nickel and palladium?

If there is broader applicability to other related  pairs of transition metals, 
and of course if this finding is easily and quickly replicated – then it likely 
could be the start of an international race… which is reminiscent of the 
discovery of HTSC in copper oxides in 1986 by IBM researchers Bednorz and 
Muller, who were awarded the 1987 Nobel… and which scenario could happen again 
here if this is real.

Of course, the IBM discovery failed to live up to the early hype.

Jones

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen

[Roarty, Francis X]

OK, that might explain why the bulk material didn’t collapse and cling to the 
tool the researcher used to attract it. Mills has always talked about his 
hydrinos being part and parcel with hydrides and I never believed these exotic 
types of hydrogen can persist outside of the cavity environment but you seem to 
be  suggesting that this gaseous smoke still contains a metal matrix like 
aerojels!? The polaritons by definition are on metal surfaces, now marooned in 
an airborne bulk with its buoyancy from the held dense hudrogen? I cant see a 
closed cell effect like aerojels.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:22 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Visual evidence of dense hydrogen

IMHO, this smoke is metal hydride nanoparticles that are covered on their 
surface with polaritons. The polaritons are the source of the magnetism that 
binds the nanoparticles togither. The SunCell uses this smoke to form a dusty 
plasma that can produce a self sustaining LENR reaction.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:57 AM, JonesBeene 
> wrote:

This video is (reputedly) what dense hydrogen looks like, in response to a 
strong magnet –

https://youtu.be/Epenv-PPLJM

Somewhat mind boggling, shall we say. If not dense hydrogen, it is unclear what 
else the ghostly filaments could be.

Apparently it is paramagnetic and possibly superfluidic, whereas hydrogen is a 
diamagnetic, invisible gas.

Or more to the point – what else could one do with the material to proved its 
identity/characteristics?

One of the things (phenomena)  which comes to mind  … LOL … “ectoplasm” which 
is somewhat fitting given the circumstances.

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

Also, an environment rich in Hawking radiation and polariton condensate 
surfaces would not need obey the square law for its effect on vacuum density or 
relativistic effects like near C rates of displacement and Pythagorean 
relationship between space and time, The Casimir formula demonstrates it is 
independent of acceleration depending solely on paired geometry and the inverse 
cube of spacing between these surface pairs. IMHO this means the energy penalty 
for attaining near C effects in the macro world doesn’t exist in this 
nano-condensate environment because it is based on a negative effect, the 
condensate is separating particle pairs between what are essentially different 
inertial frames so they are unable to annihilate. In the Haisch – Rueda analogy 
of a car accelerating in a rainstorm for near C effects the virtual particle 
density is piling up like a bike into the wind with an exponential increasing 
in energy cost to accelerate represents the increasing density of virtual pairs 
but our Nano environment avoids this penalty, the plates are already the 
maximum particle density and instead uses the condensate geometry to oppose the 
baseline flow of virtual particle pairs thru our plane – breaking the isotropy 
but instead of the near C paradox twin remaining young compared to the earth 
bound twin we now have the “Nano” earth bound twin outside the cavity remaining 
young compared to the “Nano” cavity inhabiting twin who resides in inertial 
frames of lower particle density who appears to age rapidly from our 
perspective. There are some dots here that would connect well with reports of 
anomalous half lives of radioactive gases loaded into metal powders.
Fran

From: Roarty, Francis X (US)
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 9:02 AM
To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com' <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

Axil,
   That was an interesting video. The polar nature of the spots he 
highlighted on the dental film does justify the live monitoring he is seeking. 
He does make an interesting comment that these polar arc emissions from the 
LION reactor could be magnetic or gravity vortices, if he is correct it further 
supports your suggestion of the quantum nature of LENR. I only learned from 
your post that Hawking radiation is produced by Polariton condensates but any 
relativistic effects occurring on these surface metals are of interest to me, I 
have been proposing that Casimir effect is actually relativistic in nature and 
your polariton condensate/Hawking radiation on cavity surfaces as the likely 
engine responsible for Casimir effect would make my argument easier. My pet 
theory is that longer vacuum wavelengths are not actually “excluded” but rather 
become time dilated to fit in the cavity and only appear shorter in wavelength 
to our instruments outside the cavity…. A relativistic interpretation of the 
“exclusion”.

Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:57 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

Francis: I have seen enough published material that supports Hawkings radiation 
as a energy output of polariton condensation to trust that information.

But the most revealing insights come from the meltdown of the LION reactors. 
The observations that come out of that analisys is compelling to me. That data 
provides a full picture of the quantum nature of the LENR active agent.

Take a look at some of that info from MFMP

https://youtu.be/BhitBhess2E



On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 8:27 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Axil, I only suspect that the mechanism that produces the vacuum effects is 
Bose condensation , you state it as fact, considering the polariton science is 
still in its infancy, you may find that correlation is not yet established and 
you may be treating a valuable insight like an insignificant observation.

Fran



From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:11 PM

To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

The mechanism that produces the vacuum effects is Bose condensation, The 
polariton just makes the formation of a condensate easy. The polariton 
condensate acts as a black hole and the science about black holes is well 
known. Hawking radiation as a fallout of the nature of the vacuum is well-known 
and experimentally verified.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Axil, I have some fringe concepts with respect to the current Casimir theory 
that says longer virtual particles are simply excluded from these cavities but 
it remains that the surface metal layer of these cavities is not only a 

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil,
   That was an interesting video. The polar nature of the spots he 
highlighted on the dental film does justify the live monitoring he is seeking. 
He does make an interesting comment that these polar arc emissions from the 
LION reactor could be magnetic or gravity vortices, if he is correct it further 
supports your suggestion of the quantum nature of LENR. I only learned from 
your post that Hawking radiation is produced by Polariton condensates but any 
relativistic effects occurring on these surface metals are of interest to me, I 
have been proposing that Casimir effect is actually relativistic in nature and 
your polariton condensate/Hawking radiation on cavity surfaces as the likely 
engine responsible for Casimir effect would make my argument easier. My pet 
theory is that longer vacuum wavelengths are not actually “excluded” but rather 
become time dilated to fit in the cavity and only appear shorter in wavelength 
to our instruments outside the cavity…. A relativistic interpretation of the 
“exclusion”.

Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:57 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

Francis: I have seen enough published material that supports Hawkings radiation 
as a energy output of polariton condensation to trust that information.

But the most revealing insights come from the meltdown of the LION reactors. 
The observations that come out of that analisys is compelling to me. That data 
provides a full picture of the quantum nature of the LENR active agent.

Take a look at some of that info from MFMP

https://youtu.be/BhitBhess2E



On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 8:27 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Axil, I only suspect that the mechanism that produces the vacuum effects is 
Bose condensation , you state it as fact, considering the polariton science is 
still in its infancy, you may find that correlation is not yet established and 
you may be treating a valuable insight like an insignificant observation.

Fran



From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:11 PM

To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

The mechanism that produces the vacuum effects is Bose condensation, The 
polariton just makes the formation of a condensate easy. The polariton 
condensate acts as a black hole and the science about black holes is well 
known. Hawking radiation as a fallout of the nature of the vacuum is well-known 
and experimentally verified.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Axil, I have some fringe concepts with respect to the current Casimir theory 
that says longer virtual particles are simply excluded from these cavities but 
it remains that the surface metal layer of these cavities is not only a home 
for polaritons but also the critical interface between the “excluded “ regions 
inside the cavity very much like the surface of water effects the diffraction 
gradient of light. Regardless if my interpretation of how these wavelengths are 
“excluded” I now question if Casimir effect results directly from a polariton 
“dirfraction like”  effect on vacuum wavelengths. I would not be surprised if 
polaritons and Casimir effects are 2 sides of same coin.
Fran
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
[mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 3:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

Axil—

Note that the larger more energetic palaritons do not exist on surfaces of 
small nano- particles dimensions.  If the “petal grafts” are correct, one would 
not expect too much energy can be stored in nano- sized polaritons.   This may 
be effective in keeping the temperature down and avoiding  melting or sintering 
of the metallic lattice.

This may be something else to consider in designing a robust LENR reactor 
system.

Bob Cook


From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 10:06:45 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR


Polaritons always form on the surface of metal. When there is enough of them, 
they naturally begin to come together into a structure that looks like a petal. 
When a critical density is reached, they form a condensate.



This Polariton Bose condensate can store energy. How does this condensate do 
this? The polariton condensate that does this power storage is called a petal 
condensate.



Coupled counter-rotating polariton condensates in optically defined annular 
potentials

http

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, I only suspect that the mechanism that produces the vacuum effects is 
Bose condensation , you state it as fact, considering the polariton science is 
still in its infancy, you may find that correlation is not yet established and 
you may be treating a valuable insight like an insignificant observation.

Fran



From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:11 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

The mechanism that produces the vacuum effects is Bose condensation, The 
polariton just makes the formation of a condensate easy. The polariton 
condensate acts as a black hole and the science about black holes is well 
known. Hawking radiation as a fallout of the nature of the vacuum is well-known 
and experimentally verified.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Axil, I have some fringe concepts with respect to the current Casimir theory 
that says longer virtual particles are simply excluded from these cavities but 
it remains that the surface metal layer of these cavities is not only a home 
for polaritons but also the critical interface between the “excluded “ regions 
inside the cavity very much like the surface of water effects the diffraction 
gradient of light. Regardless if my interpretation of how these wavelengths are 
“excluded” I now question if Casimir effect results directly from a polariton 
“dirfraction like”  effect on vacuum wavelengths. I would not be surprised if 
polaritons and Casimir effects are 2 sides of same coin.
Fran
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> 
[mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 3:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

Axil—

Note that the larger more energetic palaritons do not exist on surfaces of 
small nano- particles dimensions.  If the “petal grafts” are correct, one would 
not expect too much energy can be stored in nano- sized polaritons.   This may 
be effective in keeping the temperature down and avoiding  melting or sintering 
of the metallic lattice.

This may be something else to consider in designing a robust LENR reactor 
system.

Bob Cook


From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 10:06:45 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR


Polaritons always form on the surface of metal. When there is enough of them, 
they naturally begin to come together into a structure that looks like a petal. 
When a critical density is reached, they form a condensate.



This Polariton Bose condensate can store energy. How does this condensate do 
this? The polariton condensate that does this power storage is called a petal 
condensate.



Coupled counter-rotating polariton condensates in optically defined annular 
potentials

http://www.pnas.org/content/111/24/8770



Stable Switching among High-Order Modes in Polariton Condensates

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.03024



[F1.large.jpg]<https://www.lenr-forum.com/image-proxy/?key=1d8bcaa5c7bf279028d38434b4815126c43edf443e73d739ecebc6b73d13f8ac-aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wbmFzLm9yZy9jb250ZW50L3BuYXMvMTExLzI0Lzg3NzAvRjEubGFyZ2UuanBn>



As power is pumped into the petal condensate the number of petals increases, 
the frequency of the light that the petals are comprised of increases from red 
to blue to XUV and then to X-ray. The diameter of the condensate also increases 
from nano-meters, to millimeters and then to centimeters. At high energy 
storage levels, the Petal condensate becomes visible to the naked eye. The 
petal condensate can move around.



The petal condensate is comprised of two counterattacking rings of polaritons. 
As the energy is pumped into this condensate, the energy is also stored as 
increasing annular momentum of the rotating rings. The petal condensate just 
contains the spins of electrons and photons. The charge and orbits stay in the 
electric dipole part of the polariton.



The electric dipole that the petal condensate is entangled with also increases 
in size.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_dipole_moment



[VFPt_dipole_animation_electric.gif]

The diameter of the dipole increases into the millimeters.



The energy storage potential of a petal condensate can get as high as a few GeV.



In the LION reactor meltdown as well as many other LENR experiments, strange 
radiation is seen. These particle tracks are produced by the energy rich petal 
condensate as it moves around and absorbs energy using self pumping along it 
path of travel.



The basic driver of the LENR reaction is chiral spin polarization. There are a 
number of structures that naturally form in nature that produce this type of 
polarization. The

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, your distinction does answer my question whether the polariton condensate 
alone is a source of LENR, you are saying polariton condensates and nano 
geometry of metal surfaces can produce LENR and dangerous gamma radiation alone 
without any fuel. I know you mentioned the super absorbtion/radiance features 
of a polariton condensate as a thermalizer/downshifter but wasn’t sure if the 
“pumping source” was over unity or you were just using external energy to 
create a polariton condensate shield / radiator to activate fuel contained in 
the cavity. Was the claim of a Gamma spike in early Rossi demo possibly an 
example of pumped polariton condensate where pockets of the nickel powder metal 
surfaces were starved for fuel or it simply hadn’t yet loaded into the lattice?


From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:05 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems


I would like to draw a fundamental distinction between two classes of LENR 
systems: Fueled and unfueled systems. In the 2011 time-frame when Rossi saw 
gamma, he was running an unfueled system,so was Piantelli and Celani. Russ 
George is now experimenting with an unfueled system.

The development of LENR fuel came latter as an innovation by Rossi. I speculate 
that Rossi found that when he reused ash from his reactors, they were very LENR 
active. Rossi perfected LENR fuel and started to use it in his tube reactors. 
The fuel was self contained and could be loaded in air. With this fuel, the 
hydrogen nickel reaction did not seem to matter anymore. Lugano is an example,

Also gamma commissions went away when using LENR Fuel.

I beleive that the active agent in LENR fuel is ultra dense hydrogen. Rossi, 
me356, the ECCO reactor and the LION reactor all use LENR fuel. Gamma will not 
come from these systems since ultra dense hydrogen is a superconductor. UDH has 
a near perfect Q factor and forms a condensate immediately and instantly.

I have advised any LENR reactor builders who will lessen to produce LENR fuel 
directly by acquiring a Holmlid UDH generator. Just load that UDH into a tube 
reactor and you are good to go.

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, I have some fringe concepts with respect to the current Casimir theory 
that says longer virtual particles are simply excluded from these cavities but 
it remains that the surface metal layer of these cavities is not only a home 
for polaritons but also the critical interface between the "excluded " regions 
inside the cavity very much like the surface of water effects the diffraction 
gradient of light. Regardless if my interpretation of how these wavelengths are 
"excluded" I now question if Casimir effect results directly from a polariton 
"dirfraction like"  effect on vacuum wavelengths. I would not be surprised if 
polaritons and Casimir effects are 2 sides of same coin.
Fran
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com [mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 3:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

Axil-

Note that the larger more energetic palaritons do not exist on surfaces of 
small nano- particles dimensions.  If the "petal grafts" are correct, one would 
not expect too much energy can be stored in nano- sized polaritons.   This may 
be effective in keeping the temperature down and avoiding  melting or sintering 
of the metallic lattice.

This may be something else to consider in designing a robust LENR reactor 
system.

Bob Cook


From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 10:06:45 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR


Polaritons always form on the surface of metal. When there is enough of them, 
they naturally begin to come together into a structure that looks like a petal. 
When a critical density is reached, they form a condensate.



This Polariton Bose condensate can store energy. How does this condensate do 
this? The polariton condensate that does this power storage is called a petal 
condensate.



Coupled counter-rotating polariton condensates in optically defined annular 
potentials

http://www.pnas.org/content/111/24/8770



Stable Switching among High-Order Modes in Polariton Condensates

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.03024



[F1.large.jpg]<https://www.lenr-forum.com/image-proxy/?key=1d8bcaa5c7bf279028d38434b4815126c43edf443e73d739ecebc6b73d13f8ac-aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wbmFzLm9yZy9jb250ZW50L3BuYXMvMTExLzI0Lzg3NzAvRjEubGFyZ2UuanBn>



As power is pumped into the petal condensate the number of petals increases, 
the frequency of the light that the petals are comprised of increases from red 
to blue to XUV and then to X-ray. The diameter of the condensate also increases 
from nano-meters, to millimeters and then to centimeters. At high energy 
storage levels, the Petal condensate becomes visible to the naked eye. The 
petal condensate can move around.



The petal condensate is comprised of two counterattacking rings of polaritons. 
As the energy is pumped into this condensate, the energy is also stored as 
increasing annular momentum of the rotating rings. The petal condensate just 
contains the spins of electrons and photons. The charge and orbits stay in the 
electric dipole part of the polariton.



The electric dipole that the petal condensate is entangled with also increases 
in size.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_dipole_moment



[VFPt_dipole_animation_electric.gif]

The diameter of the dipole increases into the millimeters.



The energy storage potential of a petal condensate can get as high as a few GeV.



In the LION reactor meltdown as well as many other LENR experiments, strange 
radiation is seen. These particle tracks are produced by the energy rich petal 
condensate as it moves around and absorbs energy using self pumping along it 
path of travel.



The basic driver of the LENR reaction is chiral spin polarization. There are a 
number of structures that naturally form in nature that produce this type of 
polarization. The petal condensate is one of them. The petal condensate is make 
up of two counter rotating currents of spin. The two counter rotating rings of 
spin are composed of a right handed spin current and left handed spin current.


On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:04 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Axil, Your paragraph snipped below makes me question a relationship to Casimir 
effect, does your scenario exist even when the pumping of the cavity is just 
virtual particles? Is that enough to form a BEC and a basis for Casimir effect 
rejecting longer virtual particles in the cavity... the effect only occurs in 
conductive plates so the electron cloud and potential for polaritons is 
present. I'm wondering if "nonequilibrium driven disapative systems" is related 
to the vacuum density in these cavities. I assume it applies to both Rossi and 
Mills geometries but you are concentrating on the conversion and shielding 
aspect What synergy do you predict be

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, Your paragraph snipped below makes me question a relationship to Casimir 
effect, does your scenario exist even when the pumping of the cavity is just 
virtual particles? Is that enough to form a BEC and a basis for Casimir effect 
rejecting longer virtual particles in the cavity… the effect only occurs in 
conductive plates so the electron cloud and potential for polaritons is 
present. I’m wondering if “nonequilibrium driven disapative systems” is related 
to the vacuum density in these cavities. I assume it applies to both Rossi and 
Mills geometries but you are concentrating on the conversion and shielding 
aspect…. What synergy do you predict between this shielding/conversion aspect 
and the actual source of the gamma? Does your theory require gas atoms in the 
cavity or are you saying that just energy alone pumped into the cavity will 
suffice?
Fran
Axil said[snip][This kind of BEC is a Condensate that forms in nonequilibrium 
driven-dissipative systems. The polariton needs to be pumped with energy 
because it loses energy from the cavity that contains it. If more energy feeds 
the polaritons than leaks out of the cavity in which the polariton forms, it 
can live and grow in power. The amount of nuclear energy that the polariton BEC 
can thermalize is a function of the power that is feed into the Polariton BEC 
and the amount of power that the Polariton BEC loses over a given time(AKA the 
Q factor).[/snip]


From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2018 3:22 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

 hacking radiation

should read

 Hawking radiation

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The polariton BEC acts as a analog black hole. It thermalizes gamma via hacking 
radiation which is a thermal level emmision. The heat produced by hacking 
radiation is recovered as energy from the vacuum since the anti photon falls 
back into the BEC. This BEC also produces light whose frequency is a function 
of the density of the polariton condensate. It has been said that Rossi's QX 
reactor produces light from red to blue based on its power level.

The final emission type is muon production.

for more info, see

https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-00822148/file/Flayac-2012CLF22262.pdf

2.4 Sonic black holes and wormholes in spinor polariton condensates  (page 116)

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Axil, would your scenario support effects on gas atoms between these surfaces 
and Casimir/London forces? I like that it explains thermalizing the gamma.

Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 11:42 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

Sometimes radiation is produced by the LENR reaction. Why does this occur?

It is my belief that the LENR process that thermalizes nuclear level radiation 
is Bose Einstein Condensation (BEC). If a condition of BEC circumscribes the 
LENR reaction, the BEC will absorb that nuclear level radiation and downshift 
it into the thermal frequency range.

But for a BEC to be created, doesn’t the temperature need to be at super low 
temperatures near absolute zero?

There are two kinds of BEC. The BEC that requires super low temperatures 
involves atoms. The other kind of BEC is the polariton BEC.

See for background see:

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/staff/academic/szymanska/research/polaritonbec/

This kind of BEC is a Condensate that forms in nonequilibrium 
driven-dissipative systems. The polariton needs to be pumped with energy 
because it loses energy from the cavity that contains it. If more energy feeds 
the polaritons than leaks out of the cavity in which the polariton forms, it 
can live and grow in power. The amount of nuclear energy that the polariton BEC 
can thermalize is a function of the power that is feed into the Polariton BEC 
and the amount of power that the Polariton BEC loses over a given time(AKA the 
Q factor).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor

What affects the Q factor of a polariton substrate?

Polaritons are a form of light…actually a mixture of matter and light.

Polaritons cannot exist unless they form on a substrate of a metal. The Q 
factor is a character of the substrate; it is a function of how the substrate 
lets light escape the surface of the metal. A rough and pitted metal surface 
will produce a higher Q factor than a shiny smooth mirror like metal surface 
because a rough metal surface reflects light less well than a shining mirror 
like metal surface. In general, this Q factor of surfaces applies to any type 
of wave based EMF including electrons. Superconducting surfaces support the 
highest Q factor

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, would your scenario support effects on gas atoms between these surfaces 
and Casimir/London forces? I like that it explains thermalizing the gamma.

Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 11:42 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Gamma radiation from LENR

Sometimes radiation is produced by the LENR reaction. Why does this occur?

It is my belief that the LENR process that thermalizes nuclear level radiation 
is Bose Einstein Condensation (BEC). If a condition of BEC circumscribes the 
LENR reaction, the BEC will absorb that nuclear level radiation and downshift 
it into the thermal frequency range.

But for a BEC to be created, doesn’t the temperature need to be at super low 
temperatures near absolute zero?

There are two kinds of BEC. The BEC that requires super low temperatures 
involves atoms. The other kind of BEC is the polariton BEC.

See for background see:

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/staff/academic/szymanska/research/polaritonbec/

This kind of BEC is a Condensate that forms in nonequilibrium 
driven-dissipative systems. The polariton needs to be pumped with energy 
because it loses energy from the cavity that contains it. If more energy feeds 
the polaritons than leaks out of the cavity in which the polariton forms, it 
can live and grow in power. The amount of nuclear energy that the polariton BEC 
can thermalize is a function of the power that is feed into the Polariton BEC 
and the amount of power that the Polariton BEC loses over a given time(AKA the 
Q factor).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor

What affects the Q factor of a polariton substrate?

Polaritons are a form of light…actually a mixture of matter and light.

Polaritons cannot exist unless they form on a substrate of a metal. The Q 
factor is a character of the substrate; it is a function of how the substrate 
lets light escape the surface of the metal. A rough and pitted metal surface 
will produce a higher Q factor than a shiny smooth mirror like metal surface 
because a rough metal surface reflects light less well than a shining mirror 
like metal surface. In general, this Q factor of surfaces applies to any type 
of wave based EMF including electrons. Superconducting surfaces support the 
highest Q factor. Very little power loss occurs from the surface of a 
superconductor. A polariton condensate will retain it power for months when the 
polaritons are supported on the surface of a superconductor.

A collection of polaritons will form a Condensate when their density reaches a 
critical value based on the quantum gas theory. The formation of a polariton 
condensate has nothing to fo with temperature.

https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.016602

This theory of polariton condensation boils down to these LENR design rule 
associated with eliminating gamma radiation from the LENR reaction.

For a non-fueled reactor.

If you are using the surface of a metal to produce your polaritons, then 
roughen up that surface to make it dull and pitted. This is what Mizuno does to 
his metal surfaces. Mizumo processes his metal surfaces with an electric arc 
until that surface is well pitted.

You can increase the input power pumping of energy onto the surface of the 
metal so that the extra power increases the number of polaritons produced by 
the metal surface thereby causing a polariton condensate to form.
When Rossi had gamma radiation problems, he added a heater to his reactor to 
make sure he stated up a HOT reactor. The thermal pumping to the micro 
particles was increased by the heater so that on startup, the Rossi E-Cat did 
not produce gamma from a cold reactor.

If metal particles are used instead of a metal surface (as per Piantelli), use 
a mix of very wide range of various particles sizes from micro to nano sizes.

For a fueled reactor.

A fueled reactor uses a hydride fuel that contains ultra-dense hydrogen(UDH) or 
ultra-dense lithium to support the LENR reaction. UDH is a superconductor and 
the hydride fuel that supports it will support the LNER reaction at any 
temperature and/or polariton pumping level due to the extremely high Q of the 
surface of the UDH superconductor.

The production of positrons in a LENR reactor.
Without a polariton BEC to thermalize gamma radiation, the LENR reaction will 
produce gamma as a result of positron production.
The LENR reaction is a weak force reaction. When the LENR reaction adds mass to 
the protons and neutrons, they will become excited and decay when the LENR 
reaction adds energy/mass to the quarks inside these nucleons.
As a decay process of these nucleons, both positive and negative muons are 
produced as a decay product. The positive muons come from the decay of 
anti-quarks in the nucleons.
The decay of the positive muon will produce positrons as a decay product.

RE: [Vo]:Lockheed patent for compact fusion reactor

[Roarty, Francis X]

Jones, I still work for them but lately all manual labor and cable management 
as we ready space fence. I cited the article too soon before reading all the 
caveats.
Fran
From: JonesBeene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:15 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Lockheed patent for compact fusion reactor


Fran,

Brian expresses the sentiment of many experts – sine the handling of the 
announcement by LM was almost brain dead. I realize you worked there once, so 
please forgive the innuendo.

And they did not do this quietly – as the story was milked for its small 
technical value from the start. However, it is abundantly clear that the PR 
folks confuse 100 MW of heat with 100 MW of electricity, for instance, and do 
not realize that the conversion ratio for this design is not likely to exceed 
25% so we are NOT talking about a reactor that can power an aircraft carrier or 
a small (very small) city – but instead  4-5 will be required for a 
correspondingly large increase in cost per MW-hr.

The economics are not favorable when the realistic numbers are run. That is the 
bottom line and it has been that way for decades. In short this so-called 
“invention”  is long on hype and short on originality. It is not really very 
different from many other designs going back 50 years.

Having said this, however -  the great advantage of it would be in a 
fission/fusion hybrid where most of the heat comes from fission. Duh!

This kind of fusion/fission  hybrid is doable - and they talk about it in 
places but never really design for it… Other than that small oversight, the 
concept, size and form are perfect for a hybrid. The one thing lacking is a 
pair of desktop accelerators for the neutral beams. That kind of advance would 
have made this into something to get excited about.

As of now – it looks to be basically a PR gimmick – more so than anything 
really useful - but it does make surprising sense as a fission/fusion hybrid – 
IF they would only redesign it accordingly.



From: Brian Ahern<mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com>

There claims are amateurish at best

Roarty, Francis X  wrote:
Lockheed Martin has quietly obtained a patent associated with its design for a 
potentially revolutionary compact fusion reactor, or CFR. If this project has 
been progressing on schedule, the company could debut a prototype system that 
size of shipping container, but capable of powering a Nimitz-class aircraft 
carrier<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedrive.com%2Fthe-war-zone%2F16010%2Fthese-are-the-images-of-three-u-s-supercarriers-in-formation-youve-been-waiting-for=02%7C01%7C%7C47f01fa4b21248bb39eb08d59996ba58%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636583794999822977=f7n8niSej77ExRkH4jjZpz2rMn9JKFG8akcIUPCx2%2Fc%3D=0>
 or 80,000 homes, sometime in the next year or so.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/19652/lockheed-martin-now-has-a-patent-for-its-potentially-world-changing-fusion-reactor<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedrive.com%2Fthe-war-zone%2F19652%2Flockheed-martin-now-has-a-patent-for-its-potentially-world-changing-fusion-reactor=02%7C01%7C%7C47f01fa4b21248bb39eb08d59996ba58%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63658379479230=pPyezJ4R9cGbkrRSWcGpsGnjN5DxqilKlZzGFxh4%2BHw%3D=0>

[Vo]:Lockheed patent for compact fusion reactor

[Roarty, Francis X]

Lockheed Martin has quietly obtained a patent associated with its design for a 
potentially revolutionary compact fusion reactor, or CFR. If this project has 
been progressing on schedule, the company could debut a prototype system that 
size of shipping container, but capable of powering a Nimitz-class aircraft 
carrier
 or 80,000 homes, sometime in the next year or so.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/19652/lockheed-martin-now-has-a-patent-for-its-potentially-world-changing-fusion-reactor

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Roarty, Francis X]

Bob, I realize I am way out of the box here and perhaps my syntax is lacking 
but the point I was trying to make is that the new physics behind the EM drive 
and anomalous heat may simply be a new form of our old friend SR.. we can't 
talk over unity wrt normal SR since it takes so much energy to reach near C but 
it does give us some insight wrt unbalancing the spatial reactionary forces 
because the direction of thrust and energy expended do NOT deliver you to the 
Newtonian calculated position when your velocity approaches significant 
fractions of C. I am proposing a "negative relativistic frame" is being created 
by standing waves inside the EM that unbalance RF pressure against the walls of 
the trapezoid... some waves are not taking an equidistance path due to SR and 
are experience time dilation in proportion to the amunt of thrust detected. By 
negative relativistic frame I am referring to my interpretation of Casimir 
effect where the larger virtual particles are not supressed in the cavity but 
rather undergo Lorentzian contraction such that a local observer inside a 
Casimir cavity would see all the virtual particles at normal size just like the 
Paradox twin would see his surroundings normally in his near C spaceship. This 
interpretation means that instead of a Haisch Rhueda analogy of virtual 
particles hitting the windshield of near C automobile or the Pythagorean 
relationship between V^2/C^2 we instead oppose the flow of these VP thru our 
plane vis nano geometry of super cats like Rayney nickel or nickel powders used 
by LENR researchers. Im am suggesting that a stationary lump of Rayney nickel 
sitting in our plane view on a labbench contains numerous nano relativistic 
frames created by Casimir geometries that can effect atomic gases loaded into 
the metal, this of course would be using nature to extract energy by nature of 
the geometry where as the EM drive is just that a "drive" and escapes the nano 
requirement because it isn't trying to capture energy but rather use microwave 
energy to try and scale up the size and number of these relativistic frames in 
an organized exploitable geometry. IMHO negative SR escapes the near C  
requirement because it is suppressing flow not racing to try and equal it and 
instead of energy requirements it utilizes geometry and mirror surfaces to 
suppress and focus segregated regions where the virtual particles are dilated 
to fit between the boundaries.
Fran

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com [mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 4:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could 
Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works


It seems that exchanging the dimensions of time for space as suggested would 
imply no way to physically measure either dimension, since the dimensions have 
some physical (measurable) characteristic by definition.  Logically I do not 
follow this proposal.

Bob Cook

From: Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>>
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 10:09:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Cc: Russell, David
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The 
Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Hi Russ, I don't believe in multiple miracles and pilot wave may explain the 
"execution" of the reactionless anomaly but I  am predicting the underlying 
physics is also responsible for LENR and anomalous heat. I am still convinced 
of a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect will tie these seemingly 
unrelated anomalies together. No one would argue that the reaction and vector 
of a spacecraft approaching C violates Newton's law via SR wrt to calculated 
destination vs time and location actually achieved.. of course it all balances 
out with Lorentz transforms as long as we exchange time for space... and I 
think that is what is really happening in both the EM drive and the reports of 
anomalous heat except we are going in the other direction.. we in surrounding 
macro laboratory are now near C relative to a bench experiments of physical or 
RF geometry, nickel powder of LENR or standing waves in closed waveguide of EM 
drive, that both constrict the flow of virtual particles through our plane. In 
claims of anomalous heat I propose the atomic gas gets older thru time dilation 
that we perceive as a super catalyst or Casimir action and IMHO allows for a 
self-assembly of a natural Maxwell's demon that segregates the atoms, instead 
of by thermal, by time dilation in fractional steps and can discount 
disassociation threshold of molecules to the point of over unity. Likewise I 
suspect standing waves trapped in the trapezoidal closed waveguide of the EM 
drive also oppose virtual particles passing thru and set up regions like a 
relativistic Casimir effect where radio waves repeate

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Russ, I don’t believe in multiple miracles and pilot wave may explain the 
“execution” of the reactionless anomaly but I  am predicting the underlying 
physics is also responsible for LENR and anomalous heat. I am still convinced 
of a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect will tie these seemingly 
unrelated anomalies together. No one would argue that the reaction and vector 
of a spacecraft approaching C violates Newton’s law via SR wrt to calculated 
destination vs time and location actually achieved.. of course it all balances 
out with Lorentz transforms as long as we exchange time for space… and I think 
that is what is really happening in both the EM drive and the reports of 
anomalous heat except we are going in the other direction.. we in surrounding 
macro laboratory are now near C relative to a bench experiments of physical or 
RF geometry, nickel powder of LENR or standing waves in closed waveguide of EM 
drive, that both constrict the flow of virtual particles through our plane. In 
claims of anomalous heat I propose the atomic gas gets older thru time dilation 
that we perceive as a super catalyst or Casimir action and IMHO allows for a 
self-assembly of a natural Maxwell’s demon that segregates the atoms, instead 
of by thermal, by time dilation in fractional steps and can discount 
disassociation threshold of molecules to the point of over unity. Likewise I 
suspect standing waves trapped in the trapezoidal closed waveguide of the EM 
drive also oppose virtual particles passing thru and set up regions like a 
relativistic Casimir effect where radio waves repeatedly have their pressure 
upon the opposing walls modified slightly by time dilation and contraction.. 
just like the SR spacecraft you don’t go where Newtonian calculations predict 
and just like the spaceship the axis of the traveling wave is going to see all 
the contraction and dilation upsetting the normal strict 90 degree of time to 
space [at least from perspective of external observer]. Where we need to throw 
copious power into accelerating a ship to near C we can use nature for cheap to 
instead oppose virtual particles entering and exiting the time axis and produce 
these relativistic effects in Casimir effect or using RF energy in a microwave 
cavity [drive the virtual particles].
Fran

From: Russ George [mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 7:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The 
Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Yes the paper does help. I like the pilot wave convention as surely something 
of that sort is required to explain the cold fusion process which I have been 
working on for so many years. It takes some doing to convert deuterium to 4He 
and even 3He but that surely is irrefutable.

It is curious that the EM drive which is so far ‘outside of the box’ of 
classical physics seems to be close to ‘cold fusion’ I presume we have simply 
expanded the ‘box’ and are thus able to see the relationships.

Thanks for the paper. I am eagerly awaiting some super cooled EM drive data.

Russ

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 7:37 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Russ,

Does this paper help?

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Russ George 
> wrote:
Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly 
interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on the 
world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in science 
who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor should it 
tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls greedily guarding the 
bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say is 
that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive becomes a 
large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made coherent then the 
EM drive would be very much more powerful because the coherent resonant pilot 
wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive making everything a single 
giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive would do that.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole 
> wrote:
This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM 
Drive Works

http://flip.it/R11OHO

[Vo]:new insights into a unique quantum force called the Casimir effect

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://futurism.com/study-reveals-that-a-strange-force-is-affecting-the-quantum-world/

RE: [Vo]:Frangibility, Holmlid and "below absolute zero"

[Roarty, Francis X]

My dear friend Jones, Let me beat this horse one more time with Naudts 
suggestion that the hydrino and by extension, dense hydrogen,  are all 
relativistic forms of hydrogen and your trepidation about suggesting time 
dilation is the only single effect that explains all the anomalies from the EM 
drive to modified half lives of radioactive gas when catalyzed ...As for below 
absolute zero temperatures this goes away if the observation is not in the same 
frame as the UDD.. I may be extending Naudts claims to the limit but would 
suggest the temp never goes below absolute zero for the local nano observer 
collocated in the same frame as the UDD.

Fran

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 9:58 AM
To: Vortex List 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Frangibility, Holmlid and "below absolute zero"

Dense hydrogen is nothing if not cold. Its deflated electron, its sole 
contact with the world, has lost most of its angular momentum. How cold 
is UDD or UDH, and can it remain cold on contact with adjacent warm 
matter? That is the start of a house of cards - to be presented below.

Last year a thread here touched on the reality of temperatures "below 
absolute zero" and the early experimental evidence for such:

http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146

...where it was stated in a prestigious journal that a peculiarity of 
the below-absolute-zero gas is that it mimics 'dark energy,' the 
putative anti-gravity force which pushes Universal expansion against the 
inward pull of gravity. This leads to an interconnection between dark 
matter and dark energy - both being ostensibly cold.

Curiously, achieving ultracold involves laser cooling (aka Doppler 
cooling) using coherent photons which are very hot. Several ironies 
place the Holmlid experiments within the realm of ultracold (whether he 
rejects the concept or not). Another slant on negative temperatures 
which fits his situation is the realm of Casimir dimensions (few nm 
range): "Evidence for the Existence of 5 Real Spatial Dimensions in 
Quantum Vacuum"- Quantum Temperatures Below Zero Kelvin" by Calvet.

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/3-1/calvet-final.htm

Dense hydrogen could be the key to opening an unexplored world of 
quantum temperatures below zero K, along with time dilation in a model 
that agrees with cosmology and recent findings on a Universal scale. 
Moving on to "frangibility"... for those not familiar with the term - it 
connotes the failure mechanism of ultracold, like thin ice. The end 
result of ultracold dynamics is not fusion, decay or immediate 
annihilation of protons into energy, but the quark–gluon plasma (aka 
quark soup) which is a state of matter in quantum chromodynamics (QCD) 
that can take on the various identities, including that of its longest 
lived component - muons.

There is a semantics issue relative to any experiment having a 
persistent "coldness" (zone composed of dense hydrogen) existing in a 
relatively hot reactor, yet "refusing" to heat up - seemingly violating 
common sense and laws of thermodynamics. The implication is that dense 
hydrogen is both cold and experiencing time dilation. Dark energy would 
be suspected to exhibit an altered time property (Feynman). 
Unfortunately, it may be necessary to invoke both of these far-out 
notions in order to explain the muons of Holmlid... but an adequate 
explanation from less controversial physics has not been forthcoming and 
probably never can be.

Can dense hydrogen, irradiated by a weak laser beam, really be so 
fragile that it fractures into subatomic debris... even assuming it was 
"frozen" in the ultracold realm by its own deflated electron? The result 
is as if being blasted by a TeV beam. An exponential increase in 
magnetic interaction is a factor (from Calvet) which would help to 
explain the Holmlid effect– at least when the magnetic field interferes 
with QCD color exchange. Importantly, consider the slides of Chernodub:
physik.uni-graz.at/~dk-user/talks/Chernodub_25112013.pdf.

... which can be understood to provide the mechanism we are looking for 
- for proton frangibility via QCD color exchange in a magnetic field. 
The fact that there is a geometric region within iron-oxide catalyst of 
Casimir dimensions may be no accident, even if prior attempts to utilize 
nano-porosity (without laser irradiation) have failed (e.g. Cool Essence 
LLC).

This is admittedly a house of cards, but as of now - it could be the 
only game in town to explain the appearance of muons. If Casimir 
geometry is accurately modeled as a fourth power relationship in the 
context of local magnetism, the combined effect with laser could push 
the field strength at the focal point into the region where nucleon 
disintegration is possible from QCD color exchange disruption. That 
would be the working definition of "proton ultracold frangibility."

A final note. 

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Dark matter discovered !

[Roarty, Francis X]

A relativistic / Prof Naudts  perspective leads to a thought wrt dark matter, 
could hydrogen become so dilated/contracted that it slips away on the temporal 
axis? We know from relativity that 4 spatial axis exists but that we can only 
perceive 3 of the 4 as spatial and infer the rest from the evidence of time 
dilation. Between the near C and stationary paradox twin we can simultaneously 
observe all 4 with each twins time axis being one of the other twins spatial 
axii. Call it condensed, fractional or hydrino could it slip to the very 
surface of our 3d ant farm hidden behind the last layers of virtual particles 
bordering the time axis? My argument being that our universe is flat from a 4d 
perspective with every bit ov matter even in the center of the sun having 2 
additional side toward future and past where dark matter could be hiding.
Fran

From: bobcook39...@gmail.com [mailto:bobcook39...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:35 PM
To: Jones Beene ; Vortex List 
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Dark matter discovered !

Jones—

I’m glad you are relatively civil regarding our good brethren of the scientific 
 cloth.  I trust they are familiar with Dr R Mill GUTCP.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:10 PM
To: Vortex List
Subject: [Vo]:Dark matter discovered !

OK. OK. Maybe the official headline was "Sample of Metallic Hydrogen
Disappears" but this is the year of "alternative facts" as declared by
the highest office in the land.

Therefore, the alternative fact for today in the science world (not fake
news) is that the metallic hydrogen sample did not disappear, if did
what all dense hydrogen does when you keep the pressure on ... it goes
denser and then finally it goes dark. That's right, it turned into dark
matter.

And the geniuses at Harvard missed it.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/199274/20170226/worlds-only-sample-of-metallic-hydrogen-disappears-in-lab.htm

[Vo]:EM drive accepted now?

[Roarty, Francis X]

3 articles on EM drive this week, Is it now mainstream?


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/emdrive-uk-scientist-claims-physics-190111061.html
http://www.telegiz.com/articles/15395/20170212/emdrive-china-claims-already-testing-impossible-warp-drive-tech-beats.htm
http://www.inquisitr.com/3974464/em-drive-dreams-space-exploration-implications-of-working-nasa-em-drive/

[Vo]:Time anomalies and LENR [crystals, decay and plasma oh my!]

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Russ, I changed to a new thread but wanted to include your Time Crystal 
observations because they share a temporal basis with anomalous radioactive 
decay and the strange IR light observed in experiments by Black Light and 
others. I was motivated by other threads where arguments are raised too often 
based on temperature to negate or limit many theories based on calculated 
numbers leading to melt down and self destruction. Geometries in the Casimir 
sweet spot below 10 nm and even somewhat larger particle sizes form Casimir 
packing geometries when particles and powder are contained in a bulk form.  I 
would suggest observed temperatures may have a relativistic explanation such as 
 Jan Naudts provides for the hydrino in his 05 paper on relativistic hydrogen, 
I also promote a relativistic explanation for Casimir effect where locally 
disallowed larger virtual particles may still exist from the perspective of a 
local observer in the confined space. I would propose Lorentz contraction and 
time dilation  as an alternate explanation for the fractional level of hydrogen 
or hydrino created when hydrogen atoms pass thru these particle packing 
geometries or cracks/ defects in particle surfaces [or equivalently  cavity 
voids in a skeletal catalyst]. My argument is that temperature calculations 
based on light emitted from relativistic cavities deserves further 
consideration.. from local perspective inside the confined geometry time seems 
normal and there is plenty of space for all the virtual particles but from our 
macro observation we see fh atoms exactly as the  near C paradox twin observes 
the earth bound twin, yet the earth bound twin obviously doesn't burst into 
flames and equivalently time dilated hydrogen atom isn't actually moving as 
fast as we perceive from our frame and should use the term temperature 
cautiously. Reports of anomalous radioactive decay in cavities also makes me 
wonder what happens to the normal photons from spontaneous emissions and  
cycles of repeated association and disassociation of confined atoms as the 
light dilates out from a casimir confined "fast" frame to  our normal isotropic 
frame in the macro world. [Do they pile up and concentrate or dissipate over a 
physical distance we only perceive as time dilation and is there a Doppler 
shift that explains the unusual spectrum?] I also wonder if these changes in 
geometry/vacuum density can be considered an energy source? You have the normal 
random motion of gas and Maxwell's demon telling us there is no way to sort hot 
from cold at OU but now we are talking about  using Casimir geometries to sort 
gas molecules into different fractional levels at no energy cost - powered by 
gas law diffusion and vacuum density and could a bootstrap mechanism evolve / 
self assemble to take these fh and turn them into heat  as they diffuse a 
tapestry of different geometries?

Fran
From: Russ George [mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 7:24 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Time crystals, aka quantum matter

It seems that the creation and detailed observation of 'time crystals' is 
another shoe falling on the head of physics dogma. That such crystals can be 
created is evidence that states of matter that are deeply connection in 
here-to-fore quantum domains where they share energy is some of what the doctor 
ordered, Dr. Schwinger that is, to diagnose the 'cold fusion' of Fleischmann 
and Pons. Clearly there is more to the Cheshire cat than his grin. 
http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-just-announced-a-brand-new-form-of-matter-time-crystals?perpetual=yes=1

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Microwave experminets

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Frank, I suspect microwave research is more of a “driven “ system to force 
anomalous effects like the reactionless thrust in EM drive and would expect 
very low efficiency.
Fran

From: Frank Znidarsic [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Microwave experminets

I tried some microwave experiments years ago.  I converted the microwave tube 
to full wave operation.  Experiments were done with a high voltage needle point 
in the microwave field and a high current arc in a microwave field.  A 
persistent arc was look for.  No anomalous energy was detected.  No ball of 
lighting was produced.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter2.html#Pg4


Frank Znidarsic

I revised my book and sent copies of it to the Niels Bohr institute.  Nothing 
was heard from nobody.  This effort fell on deaf ears.

RE: [Vo]:Harvard looking at catalysts in a new way

[Roarty, Francis X]

OK, no conflict there the article doesn't claim to have invented the 
computational method but does appear to do more with it in terms of meaningful 
and robust application with ridged controls and latest gen of data sampling. I 
hope they find  a  correlation between void geometry and catalytic activity 
level.
Fran

From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:10 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Harvard looking at catalysts in a new way


This computational feat was accomplished at MIT in 1974. Keith Johnson and John 
Slater established this discipline 40 years ago.


From: Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 4:14 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [Vo]:Harvard looking at catalysts in a new way


This could generate important information for LENR as a side effect...

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/01/seeking-a-breakthrough-on-catalysts/
[https://harvardgazette.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/091713_nocera_247_281147-605.jpg]<http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/01/seeking-a-breakthrough-on-catalysts/>

Seeking a breakthrough on 
catalysts<http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/01/seeking-a-breakthrough-on-catalysts/>
news.harvard.edu
A group of Harvard researchers is taking a new approach to the challenge of 
developing new catalysts.



Harvard looking at catalysts in a new way representing a paradigm shift in 
catalyst discovery.

computational modeling exploring the use of nanoporous silver-gold alloys as 
improved catalysts.

Their models applied to nanoporus  Ni [Rayney Nickel] could be a breakthrough 
tool.



Fran

[Vo]:Harvard looking at catalysts in a new way

[Roarty, Francis X]

This could generate important information for LENR as a side effect...
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/01/seeking-a-breakthrough-on-catalysts/
Harvard looking at catalysts in a new way representing a paradigm shift in 
catalyst discovery.
computational modeling exploring the use of nanoporous silver-gold alloys as 
improved catalysts.
Their models applied to nanoporus  Ni [Rayney Nickel] could be a breakthrough 
tool.

Fran

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:China's EM drive

[Roarty, Francis X]

Finally, China going to start the next space race and probably help us 
understand the energy anomalies we pursue here on Vortex at the same time. The 
EM “DRIVE” is driving virtual particles with microwaves and geometry while 
fractional hydrogen in powder or skeletal catalyst geometry is instead driven 
by virtual particles or IOW the nano geometry suppresses the virtual flow 
vector equivalent to a different inertial frame in opposition to the isotropy.
Fran

From: H LV [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 4:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:China's EM drive


EmDrive: Chinese space agency to put controversial tech onto satellites 'as 
soon as possible'

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-chinese-space-agency-put-controversial-tech-onto-satellites-soon-possible-1596328

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Is hydrinos dark matter?

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, according to a 2005 paper by Jan Naudts the hydrino may be relativistic 
hydrogen, but considering the environment this is not your near C velocity 
induced SR, in fact the near C observer relative to us is the perspective that 
we now observe wrt the hydrino, the same suppression responsible for Casimir 
effect modifies the inertial frames in nano powders and skeletal catalysts such 
that hydrogen atoms loading into the bulk product is constantly changing 
inertial frames as it randomly migrates thru the lattice and defects. I remain 
convinced the “suppressed” longer vacuum wavelengths between Casimir plates are 
actually still present and that we are actually observing the same contraction 
and dilation phenomena the near C observer would see viewing us.. the baseline 
we call stationary for inertial frames is established by the remaining “rate” 
of the particles winking in and out of our plane. I put “rate” in quotes 
because we know from SR the local observer is never aware of a rate change 
since this rate establishes his clock. My point being the “baseline” is IMHO  
false, I think Casimir effect and all the London derived forces are based on 
reducing this baseline further thru suppression and that it accumulates far 
faster than the square law we are accustomed to and without the need for 
thust.. it is the poor mans nano route to relativistic effects utilizing 
geometry.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 3:56 AM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Is hydrinos dark matter?

The hydrino cannot be smaller than the neutron. Being neutral, it must behave 
like the neutron. We should see hydrino damage on the structure of the SunCell 
and maybe even activation as hydrino kinetic energy is converted to gamma by 
impact with reactor structure. We might also expect to see nuclear reactions 
produced by hydrinos and associated transmutation as the hydrino enters nuclei. 
Dark matter does not do that sort of thing. What keeps hydrinos from acting 
like neutrons?

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

[Roarty, Francis X]

Bob , didn’t mean Casimir cavity per se but was trying to suggest the 
fractional hydrogen plasma loading deeper and deeper into the lattice powder 
inside the reactor expands into a larger area of Casimir like suppression that 
opposes the dilation direction of the muon. My rabbit hole was your initial 
post wrt to an office worker some distance from the reactor getting sunburned 
without explanation while techs and engineers working on the reactor remain 
unaffected. I was looking for some relativistic wormhole that might explain. In 
my initial investigation into similarity between skeletal cats of Mills and 
nano powders of Rossi I theorized the Casimir cavities and suppression geometry 
of Ni nano powders are inverses of the other and are equivalent but I prefer to 
take a neo Casimir perspective.  When a muon with SR delayed radioactive decay 
intersects my proposed Casimir like plasma it is suddenly inside an inertial 
frame that now accelerates the decay rate in opposition to the SR velocity of 
the muon. As always time doesn’t change from a local perspective but there is 
suddenly more distance available for the muon to continue forward inside the 
reactor from a local perspective while the plasma seems to keep shrinking away. 
I think we have an odd relativistic situation where SR dilation by virtue of 
the muons velocity slows time AND the vacuum suppression of the reactor 
accelerates time COMBINE to give the muon a strange temporal vector, if this 
was simple polar coordinate addition the opposing temporal additions would 
simply cancel and spatial location remains fixed but SR is a Pythagorean 
relationship between velocity thru space and time while suppression is only 
based on geometry of the surrounding environment the particle is passing thru. 
There is also a distinct difference in the type of Lorentzian contraction to be 
considered, SR has a single axis of contraction while suppression seems to be 
symmetrical. My point is that this might allow for your odd prediction of a 
safe spatial zone immediately surrounding the reactor and muons returning from 
a “temporal long way round” vector to poison the remote office worker?  Ok, 
after re-reading this is even a long shot for me but will still send so you 
don’t think I was suggesting the muon was traveling thru a few Casimir cavities 
–obviously we would have measured an anomalous decay rate a long time ago if it 
were that easy to deal with radioactive waste.


From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 8:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

Hi Fran,
I am unable to imagine how something special would happen in that case.  A muon 
in slow motion may have a greater chance of interaction if its energy is near 
the ionization energy of the atoms upon which it is incident - but this is only 
a small energy - less than 10eV.  At higher energy, it is probably more likely 
that the muon is going to ionize the atom and then scatter at lower energy.  
The distances are so small in condensed matter that the scattering will happen 
rapidly and will reduce the muon to the sweet spot wherein it can interact with 
the chemical (electronic) structure of the next atom it meets.

How would a brief passage though a Casimir geometry alter these behaviors?

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Bob, what if the “muon” doesn’t have to achieve light speed but rather becomes 
so “suppressed” think traveling thru a tiny Casimir cavity that the muons 
actual speed inside the cavity where vacuum wavelengths are dilate by 
suppression appears to achieve negative  light speed relative to observers 
outside the cavity where vacuum wavelengths are not suppressed.. IMHO catlitic 
action is a weak cousin to Casimir action and the longer wavelengths we 
consider suppressed are actually still present from the perspective of a local 
observer in the cavity.. the calculations of decay and distance traveled are 
then complicated by their Pythagorean relationship to the spacetime inside 
these cavities traveling distances we instwead perceive as dilation… but not 
just the dilation from their spatial displacement, rather the cavities push 
this dilation in the opposite direction and to some extent cancel?
Always out on a limb,
Fran

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

[Roarty, Francis X]

Bob, what if the “muon” doesn’t have to achieve light speed but rather becomes 
so “suppressed” think traveling thru a tiny Casimir cavity that the muons 
actual speed inside the cavity where vacuum wavelengths are dilate by 
suppression appears to achieve negative  light speed relative to observers 
outside the cavity where vacuum wavelengths are not suppressed.. IMHO catlitic 
action is a weak cousin to Casimir action and the longer wavelengths we 
consider suppressed are actually still present from the perspective of a local 
observer in the cavity.. the calculations of decay and distance traveled are 
then complicated by their Pythagorean relationship to the spacetime inside 
these cavities traveling distances we instwead perceive as dilation… but not 
just the dilation from their spatial displacement, rather the cavities push 
this dilation in the opposite direction and to some extent cancel?
Always out on a limb,
Fran
From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 11:38 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Holmlid, Mills & muons

In this discussion, Jones presumes muons to be traveling at light speed:
The muon is an unstable fermion with a lifetime of 2.2 microseconds, which is 
an eternity compared to most beta decays. Ignoring time dilation, this would 
mean that muons, travelling at light speed, would be dispersing and decaying in 
an imaginary sphere about 600 meters from the reactor.

There are a number of things wrong with this.  First, most commonly encountered 
muons are cosmogenic and have 100MeV-GeV energies.  At these energies, the muon 
is traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light (but not at the 
speed of light) and as such experiences time dilation in its decay.  Because of 
time dilation, the stationary observer sees the cosmogenic muon decay to be 
much longer than 2.2 microseconds.  This is why cosmogenic muons can travel 
50-100 miles to the Earth's surface without having decayed.
What Holmlid has reported is "10MeV/u" as a measurement for his muons - this is 
a measure of velocity squared.  One u (atomic mass unit) is 931 MeV/c^2.  In 
Holmlid's units of measure (MeV/u), call the amount measured X, then the 
velocity of the particle is sqrt(X/931)*c.  For Holmlid's report of a measure 
of 10 MeV/u, one gets sqrt(10/931)*c = 0.104c.  This is only an approximation 
for small velocity compared to c; as the velocity increases special relativity 
must be invoked in the solution.  Special relativity would reduce the velocity 
from this equation as it started approaching c, so the actual velocity will be 
somewhat less than 0.1c for Holmlid's particles, and a slight time dilation 
would be experienced.
So, if Holmlid's particles were muons, and if Mills was creating the same at a 
v^2 of 10MeV/u, then the range in a vacuum would be on the order of 60 meters.  
However, muons being charged, are well stopped in condensed matter because the 
particle doesn't have to run into a nucleus to be scattered, just run into the 
dense electronic orbitals.  The more dense the condensed matter, the greater 
the stopping power for the muon.
If muons were being generated with a v^2 of 10MeV/u, I doubt any would escape 
Mills' reactor vessel.


On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Jones Beene 
> wrote:

For those who suspect that the Holmlid effect and the Mills effect are related, 
no matter what the proponents of each may think, here is a further thought from 
the fringe … about one of the possible implications. Holmlid has suggested that 
a very high flux of muons can be produced by a subwatt laser beam.

Mills uses an electric arc and will probably offer a real demo of the Suncell® 
at some point. No one doubts that it works but an extended demo will be needed… 
therefore, even if everything seen thus far is little more than PR fluff, we 
could have a worrisome situation in response to a much longer demo.

Since Mills is applying higher net power to reactants (even if Holmlid’s laser 
provides more localized power) there is a chance that some portion of the 
energy produced escapes the sun-cell as muons. If Holmlid gets millions of 
muons per watt of coherent light, what will be the corresponding rate be from 
an electric arc? If anything like this scenario turns out to be the accurate, 
then any muons produced will decay at a predictable distance away from the 
reactor, thus they could have been missed by BrLP in testing thus far.

The muon is an unstable fermion with a lifetime of 2.2 microseconds, which is 
an eternity compared to most beta decays. Ignoring time dilation, this would 
mean that muons, travelling at light speed, would be dispersing and decaying in 
an imaginary sphere about 600 meters from the reactor. Thus, the effect of 
radioactive decay could be significant at unexpected distance– and Mills may 
never had imagined that this is a problem. Fortunately, humans are 

[Vo]:EM drive upgrade patent

[Roarty, Francis X]

Shawyer  gets new patent for EM drive upgrade using a superconducting plate on 
one side of his trapezoid microwave cavity. Claims magnitudes higher thrust.  
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3847258/The-new-improved-EmDrive-Patent-reveals-details-impossible-fuel-free-engine-one-day-man-Mars-10-weeks.html

IMHO the drive is related to Casimir effect , driven by microwave energy 
instead of spatial suppression of longer vacuum wavelengths by nano spaced 
counductive boundaries both segregate tiny ribbons of space time with greater 
and lesser regions of vacuum wavelength supression.  Any matter migrating thru 
one region more than the other will average to a different inertial frame than 
the stationary observer even if that frame is negative like the anomalous 
radioactive decay rates reported for nano powders or the anomaly wrt 
spontaneous emissions inside a microwave cavity.

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Co59 Beta decay rates on Magnetar surface

[Roarty, Francis X]

Yep, no wants to believe significant levels of time dilation and Lorentzian 
contraction can occur when gas loads in the interstitial space and defects of 
metal lattices but it is the easiest solution to multiple anomalies.
Fran


From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 8:56 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Co59 Beta decay rates on Magnetar surface

Yes, modification of decay rates is a topic of great interest to me.

This is a theoretical paper, apparently working within the current assumptions 
of physics.  In order for most LENR observations to be explained by induced 
decay, I think that one or more of those assumptions will need to be revisited 
somewhat. One example: how high the electron density can get for short periods 
of time in metals under nonequilibrium conditions.

Eric


On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Stephen Cooke 
> wrote:
I wonder if the following linked recent paper can be interesting to some here 
especially Axil and Eric?

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10509-016-2830-0

It's concerning changes in beta decay rates in the presence of  magnetic fields 
on magnetars.

I have so far only read the abstract but I think it could be interesting.

Stephen

RE: [Vo]:Dirac's sea, the EM Drive and Weyl fermions

[Roarty, Francis X]

Jones, Could we possibly identify the aether in terms of relativistic frames? I 
don't think anyone would argue with exchanges between time and space creating 
unbalanced reactionary motion from the perspective of the stationary observer 
viewing a .9 C spacecraft on his radar screen.. obviously the spatial 
displacement is  going to be wrong because the ship is traveling the hypotenuse 
between the spatial direction of travel and time- instead of .9C the radar will 
only display the displacement of the spatial component unaware of the temporal 
portion. Changes in direction made now while the spacecraft is a different 
frame will appear unbalanced from the stationary perspective because of this 
temporal component. IMHO Casimir effect is relativistic in the opposite manner 
wrt near C travel. Casimir effect forces longer wavelength /larger VP to rotate 
90 degrees from the spatial axis out onto the temporal such that the Lorentzian 
shrunken remainder can now fit between the boundaries, time is accelerated 
inside this frame relative to the stationary observer while time for the 
observer on the near C spacecraft is slowed wrt the stationary observer. I 
guess these near C effects would be rarely viewed since any significant change 
in direction at luminal speeds would tear apart almost any macro object but I 
think they can occur easily in the opposite direction where we the stationary 
observers become the equivalent of near C spacecraft relative to the frames and 
nano observers inside a Casimir cavity - instead of dx the suppression of 
larger VP in cavities creates dt. In the case of LENR I think this is the 
bootstrap mechanism where the nature of molecular gas motion based on HUP 
provides motion between different frames and discounts the disassociation 
threshold beyond unity while also dilating time such that an accelerated 
reversible reaction between fractional hydrogen molecules disassociating as 
they migrate further from the relativistic frame at which they formed and then  
immediately change to the new frame as atoms and immediately reform as 
molecules at the new frame level. Of course that was my pet theory for 
anomalous heat but my point here wrt reactionless drives is that this 
segregation of frames whether in Casimir cavities or possible setup by standing 
waves in a microwave cavity [don't forget we also knew ablout anomalous 
spontaneous emissions in microwave cavities] also has unbalanced reactions at 
its core because of the temporal component-  whether it is photons, electrons 
or gas molecules doing the reacting doesn't matter it is IMO the segregation of 
the vacuum density at the heart of all these anomalies.
Fran

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 9:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Dirac's sea, the EM Drive and Weyl fermions


There is a complex web of cross-connections between HTSC (high temperature 
superconductivity), Weyl fermions, an active aether, copper-oxides, and the RF 
resonant cavity thruster of Shawyer et al (the EM drive). The cross-connections 
are ill-defined at present and could be coincidental, but we can take notice of 
the various links and use that information to steer research.

This is especially interesting if we can define an "aether" in such a way that 
it cannot be discredited. One way is via the theory of Don Hotson. The epo or 
BEC is based on Dirac's equation and theories - as is all of Hotson's 
"interpretation of Dirac" and this aether-like field consists entirely of 
massless electrons, possibly now defined as Weyl fermions, in the context of 
massless positronium.

It makes sense to suggest that the Weyl fermion, which has been recently 
confirmed as real, is indeed an outlier of the same aether-species of Hotson. 
Since the BEC (as aether) is fully contained throughout another more basic 
spatial dimension or foundation (which can be "reciprocal space" or 1D) it 
would not be unexpected to find some of these massless electrons escaping into 
our 3-Space, and apparently they are coaxed out of the aether dimension via 
various "semimetals" which are also superconductive oxides. Wheeler's "quantum 
foam" may be additional evidence of bleed-over from an epo field into 3-space.

The Meissner effect is usually explained as the expulsion of magnetic flux by a 
superconductor in a magnetic field, but that may be a partial understanding. 
The phenomenon would be explained differently if we focus on an aether composed 
of Weyl fermions as Dirac's sea. This would indicate that Meissner repulsion 
can become (at least partly) a Coulomb's Law effect - instead of only 
inductive. Probably it is a bit of both and possibly this combined effect 
relates to the tiny thrust of the EM drive, where the cavity asymmetry creates 
a "wake" of virtual Weyl fermions.

A final piece of the puzzle seems to be that only copper works for the frustum 
of the EM drive, which would naturally have a 

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:The key to LENR is strong coupling between the hydrogen atom and light.

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil,
Much more detailed than your initial reply and I still agree but I would not 
lose the use of an ultrathin layer of gallium arsenide tuned into resonance 
within the cavity via an external magnetic field – this may represent the most 
practical and expedient way to achieve the interaction threshold – sometimes 
the proper method is important to demonstrate and corral an otherwise weak and 
erratic effect.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 3:01 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:The key to LENR is strong coupling between the hydrogen 
atom and light.

sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm

For more detail see as follows:

arxiv.org/pdf/1604.08297v1.pdf


Abstract

Nonperturbative coupling of light with condensed matter in an optical cavity is 
expected to reveal a host of coherent many-body phenomena and states [1–7]. In 
addition, strong coherent light-matter interaction in a solid-state environment 
is of great interest to emerging quantum-based technologies [8, 9]. However, 
creating a system that combines a long electronic coherence time, a large 
dipole moment, and a high cavity quality (Q) factor has been a challenging goal 
[10–13]. Here, we report collective ultrastrong light-matter coupling in an 
ultrahigh-mobility two-dimensional electron gas in a high-Q terahertz 
photonic-crystal cavity in a quantizing magnetic field, demonstrating a 
cooperativity of ∼360. The splitting of cyclotron resonance (CR) into the lower 
and upper polariton branches exhibited a √ ne-dependence on the electron 
density (ne), a hallmark of collective vacuum Rabi splitting. Furthermore, a 
small but definite blue shift was observed for the polariton frequencies due to 
the normally negligible A 2 term in the light-matter interaction Hamiltonian. 
Finally, the high-Q cavity suppressed the superradiant decay of coherent CR, 
which resulted in an unprecedentedly narrow intrinsic CR linewidth of 5.6 GHz 
at 2 K. These results open up a variety of new possibilities to combine the 
traditional disciplines of many-body condensed matter physics and cavity-based 
quantum optics.


The key to LENR is strong coupling between the hydrogen atom and light. When 
the cavity that holds the hydrogen is the optimum size, vacuum energy provides 
most of the energy to delocalized electrons from protons to form metalized 
hydrogen. The optimum cavity size does the same job as extreme pressure to form 
metalized hydrogen.

If hydrogen is packed into a Nano cavity of the ideal size a strong coupling 
state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In 
this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed: a 
proton condinsate.

This state of superconductivity has been detected by Holmlid and Miley in iron 
oxide. The high temperature proton BEC might produce a super-dense state of 
hydrogen as measured by Holmlid where the electrons and protons are delocalized 
from each other, this state of charge delocalization has been seen in water 
inclusions inside a crystal.

physics.aps.org/articles/v9/43
Water Molecule Spreads Out When Caged

[http://physics.aps.org/assets/2ffd09ee-e786-4c72-844f-9b1a7df49a75/e43_1.png]

What actually compresses the protons into a condinsate is vacuum energy because 
the cavity squeezes the light/matter condensate greatly.

As described in the referenced article by looking for a hydrogen BEC in 
cavities, a LENR researcher could find the ideal dimensions of the Nano cavity 
that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this 
ultra-dense hydrogen crystal in abundance.

Currently in LENR reactors, pure chance produces metalized hydrogen in a highly 
porous metal that feature a wide range of cavity sizes which include the 
optimum cavity size that is made widely available by random chance.

What really compresses hydrogen to the LENR active ultra-dense metalized state 
is not high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light 
frequency, EMF environment and vacuum energy.

RE: [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

[Roarty, Francis X]

It might have some unexpected results – if the EM drive is based on the same 
segregation of vacuum density AND  I don’t know that it is or not, there is 
also the question of where the segregation occurs for hydrogen to be affected 
and whether it would mostly cancel out wrt thrust as there is likely to be as 
much hydrogen in a depleted zones as there is in a corresponding concentrated 
zones set up by the standing waves – maybe the Trapzoid dimensions would have a 
similar accumulating effect at the macro scale but my curiosity would be 
directed at inertia! Testing the macro device for difference in inertia when 
the unit is on vs off [assuming a battery powered microwave source attached to 
exterior], I keep going back to an old myth about pyramid blocks being elevated 
and then scooted the length of a bow shot after being struck by a sacred rod. 
Could the calcium based cavities contained ambient gases and materials that  
behaved like the low powered light in this new paper? And what happens to the 
inertia of a macro object when it contains significant numbers of gas atoms in 
this relativistic – condensate form? A wild theory would be that the individual 
inertia states oppose each other and resist any change in acceleration……like 
gravity :_)

From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 4:44 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

Hmmm.  I wonder if filling the EMdrive with hydrogen would affect the thrust?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, I agree  [snip] By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher 
could find the ideal dimensions of the Nano cavity that produces the condensed 
hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this ultra-dense hydrogen 
crystal in abundance.[/snip]
I also think we should emulate their low power stimulation [snip] Qi Zhang, a 
former graduate student in Kono's group and lead author of the paper, designed 
and constructed an extremely high-quality cavity to contain an ultrathin layer 
of gallium arsenide, a material they've used to study superfluorescence. By 
tuning the material with a magnetic field to resonate with a certain state of 
light in the cavity,[/snip]  it becomes the light source, provides 2d 
restriction and DCE as the germanium forms a push pull boundary between either 
side of the cavity – one side of the ultra thin layer gets closer to the top of 
the cavity while the opposite side gets further away from the bottom. … just 
add water :_) or in this case hydrogen?
Fran



From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:21 AM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

Spelling of last post corrected as follows:

If hydrogen is packed into a Nano cavity of the ideal size a strong coupling 
state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In 
this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed.

This state of superconductivity has been detected by Holmlid and Miley in iron 
oxide. The high temperature proton BEC might produce a super-dense state of 
hydrogen the Jones likes so much where the electrons and protons are 
delocalized from each other. What actually comprises the protons is vacuum 
energy because the cavity squeezes the light/matter condensate greatly.

By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher could find the ideal 
dimensions of the Nano cavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer 
a material that produces this ultra-dense hydrogen crystal in abundance.

What really compresses hydrogen to the ultra-dense metalized state is not high 
pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light frequency, and 
EMF environment and vacuum energy.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If hydrogen is packed into a nanocavity of the ideal size a storm couponing 
state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In 
this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed.

This state of superconductivity has be detected by Holmlid and Miley. The high 
temperature proton BEC might produce a superdense state of hydrogen the Jones 
likes so much where the electrons and protons are delocalized from each other. 
What actually comprises the protons is vacuum energy because the cavity 
squeezes the light/matter condinsate greatly.

By looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a researcher could find the ideal 
dimensions of the nanocavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer 
a material that produces this hydrogen crystal in abundance.

What really compresses hydrogen to the ultra-dense metabolized state is not 
high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light frequency, 
and EMF environment.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate phase 
changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the ingredients we hear 
mentioned by Jones and axil,  but…. done  with low power [snip] Kono said the 
amount of terahertz light put into the cavity is very weak. "What we depend on 
is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a classical sense, is an empty space. 
There's nothing. But in a quantum sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating 
photons, having so-called zero-point energy. These vacuum photons are actually 
what we are using to resonantly excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip]

]Fran

From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com<mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling



On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm

“"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics 
(QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter 
in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about 
solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge 
number of electrons, which behave like a single gig

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

[Roarty, Francis X]

Yes, thanks Mark, that is what I was trying to say.  Like Casimir cavities they 
change the vacuum density such that space time between the boundaries is 
modified and IMHO the lower ground states they speak of are actually 
relativistic in nature but in a negative way , the world outside the cavity 
appears to slow down to a nano observe inside the cavity  while the nano 
observer remains unaware that the longer vacuum wavelengths in his cavity have 
rotated on the temporal axis to fit between the cavity boundaries. Someday I 
hope someone derives the relationship between the Casimir formula and 
Lorentzian time dilation. As for this article I think it may help us improving 
the NAE but once we introduce hydrogen to the environment it gets complicated – 
maybe our reactors should be larger and lower power density to best exploit 
these NAE without damage?
Fran

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

Interesting find Fran!

The idea that a very small force applied resonantly producing effects which 
‘normally’ require a much stronger force is nothing new, and I’ve certainly 
brought up a number of articles over the years on this matter…

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg83767.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg67390.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg73037.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg104970.html

***What may be novel is that, in Fran’s reference, it’s the vacuum fluctuations 
which are the minute forces acting in resonance…
Does this represent the link or method to extract energy from the vacuum? Does 
it at least represent the physical possibility rather than a theoretical one?

-mark iverson

From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate phase 
changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the ingredients we hear 
mentioned by Jones and axil,  but…. done  with low power [snip] Kono said the 
amount of terahertz light put into the cavity is very weak. "What we depend on 
is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a classical sense, is an empty space. 
There's nothing. But in a quantum sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating 
photons, having so-called zero-point energy. These vacuum photons are actually 
what we are using to resonantly excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip]

]Fran

From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling



On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm

“"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics 
(QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter 
in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about 
solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge 
number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic atom."”

Light and matter are essentially manifestations of the same energetic motions 
(of whatever): so it's not surprising that, with the proper geometries and 
harmonics, they can be effortlessly made to manifest each other 
'symbiotically', on-demand, in a lab. Sooner or later Humans were going to find 
out how.

But who beat us to it..!?
:P

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

[Roarty, Francis X]

What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate phase 
changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the ingredients we hear 
mentioned by Jones and axil,  but…. done  with low power [snip] Kono said the 
amount of terahertz light put into the cavity is very weak. "What we depend on 
is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a classical sense, is an empty space. 
There's nothing. But in a quantum sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating 
photons, having so-called zero-point energy. These vacuum photons are actually 
what we are using to resonantly excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip]

]Fran

From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling



On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm

“"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics 
(QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter 
in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about 
solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge 
number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic atom."”

Light and matter are essentially manifestations of the same energetic motions 
(of whatever): so it's not surprising that, with the proper geometries and 
harmonics, they can be effortlessly made to manifest each other 
'symbiotically', on-demand, in a lab. Sooner or later Humans were going to find 
out how.

But who beat us to it..!?
:P

[Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm

“"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics 
(QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter 
in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about 
solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge 
number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic atom."”


Worth reading!
Fran

RE: [Vo]:Ukrainian Paper on the active particle of LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

If Naudts is right then relativistic hydrogen could occupy the same spatial 
coordinates while offset on time axis.
Fran

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 6:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Ukrainian Paper on the active particle of LENR

-Original Message-

>Since bosons can occupy the same place

RVS: No they can't. They can occupy the same quantum state, that is not the
same thing as the same physical location.

Robin,

We have been through this before. Some bosons, for instance photons, can and
do occupy the same space since they do not repel each other outside of
Bose-Einstein statistics ... google "squeezed coherent state"... Massive
bosons such as helium would not occupy the same space, but that is for
another reason (interatomic forces, such that gains from the B-E statistics
cannot overcome a prohibitive electrostatic potential) ... and thus bosonic
condensed helium will remain about the same density as in the liquid
non-bosonic state.

However, dense hydrogen, if it becomes bosonic in the inverted Rydberg sense
(as Miley suggests) is far denser than liquid hydrogen or liquid helium -
and thus many atoms can appear to occupy the space which a single atom of
normal density would occupy. Technically, that increased density is not due
to Bose-Einstein statistics, but objectively the result is the same.

RE: [Vo]:New Mizuno Patent, with clear descriptions of nanostructured material and plasma reactor...

[Roarty, Francis X]

Yep, super catalysis and elements of Casimir geometry all.
Fran

From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Alain Sepeda
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:49 AM
To: Vortex List 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New Mizuno Patent, with clear descriptions of 
nanostructured material and plasma reactor...

Hi,
maybe you missed the recent patent by Clean Planet/Mizuno
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3306-Mizuno-USPTO-Patent-Application-June-2-2016/

The claims are quite clear and innovative from what I understand

I feel it can be replicated.

"claims 1 is quite simple et probably a good hint for replicators


​A reactant installed in a reactor having a deuterium gas atmosphere, a heavy 
water gas atmosphere, a protium gas atmosphere or a light water gas atmosphere, 
wherein the reactant is formed from a hydrogen storage metal, and a plurality 
of metal nano-protrusions, each of which has a nano-size of 1000 [nm] or 
smaller, are formed on a surface of the reactant.


there are variations; precisions :
·nano-protrusions with a width of 300 [nm]
·the metal nano-protrusions are metal nanoparticles having a curved 
surface in which a part of a spherical particle, an elliptical particle or an 
egg-shaped particle is embedded in the surface
·a thin wire formed from the hydrogen storage metal in a reticulated 
shape, wherein the metal nano-protrusions are formed on a surface of the thin 
wire
·the reactant is electrically connected to an electric power source, 
and works as an electrode for generating plasma in the reactor
·a plurality of fine particle bodies of hydrogen storage metal, which 
are smaller than the metal nano-protrusions and are formed from the hydrogen 
storage metal, are deposited on the surfaces of the metal nano-protrusions, and 
the surfaces of the metal nanoparticles are formed to be in an uneven state 
(?()​ due to the fine particle bodies of the hydrogen storage metal.
·a plurality of fine particle bodies of hydrogen storage metal, which 
are smaller than the metal nano-protrusions and are formed from the hydrogen 
storage metal, are deposited on the surfaces of the metal nano-protrusions, and 
the surfaces of the metal nanoparticles are formed to be in an uneven state due 
to the fine particle bodies of the hydrogen storage metal. ...
·fine particle bodies of the hydrogen storage metal are formed from a 
hydrogen storage metal which is different from the hydrogen storage metal of 
the metal nano-protrusions... metal nano-protrusions are formed from any one of 
hydrogen storage metals among Ni, Pt and Pd, and the fine particle bodies of 
the hydrogen storage metal are formed from a hydrogen storage metal among Ni, 
Pt and Pd, which is different from that of the metal nano-protrusions."

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen.

[Roarty, Francis X]

On Mon 5/23 Jones said [snip] The theory that appeals to me the most is not 
Holmlid's but the one of Lawandy. In that theory, there must be a dielectric 
support for UDH, which is always paired.[/snip] which also fits nicely with 
lack of hydrinos available for study and Mill's reliance on hydrides.

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:14 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen.

The answer to these questions varies wildly, according to the theorist. There 
is little proof that can be called firm. The theory that appeals to me the most 
is not Holmlid's but the one of Lawandy. In that theory, there must be a 
dielectric support for UDH, which is always paired. A larger cluster of pairs 
is possible with no electrons - instead the charge is balanced by deflated 
electrons captured in the dielectric. The paper is on the LENR-CANR site. There 
is no "Rydberg matter" per se, but this dense state can be labeled as IRH or 
inverted Rydberg hydrogen.

From: Stephen Cooke

Oops i meant H(0) of course
Some questions about H(1) ultra dense hydrogen:

Is it possible for H(1) to exist as only one pair of atoms in dense form or is 
a layer of additional pairs in a vortex is required to stabilise it?

Does anyone know if H(1) matter would contain stable electron orbitals, or 
would the electrons be freely moving in a conduction band?

If it is possible to have a single pair and it has electron orbitals would they 
look familiar? i.e. I suppose they would be external to the pair of protons, 
would they there for look like orbitals from Helium atom with some offset due 
to the different reduced mass due to lack of neutrons, and different spin state 
of the nucleus? Or would they be more complex due to dynamics of the proton 
pair?

Is there a reason the protons in the pair do not repel each other? is it 
sufficient that the 2 elections stabilise them somehow or does it require 
interactions with other pairs in the vortex to remain stable?

Re: [Vo]:OT new state of water molecule discovered in confinement

[Roarty, Francis X]

Eric, for me it is just one more connection to quantum effects realized at the 
macro level, this article relates to the surprise discovery that nano pore 
filters move water faster than larger standard pore filters. It is based on the 
same suppression geometry implicated in Casimir effect and the reciprocal 
theory that microwave energy in the EM drive can produce Unruh radiation when 
resonated between 2 unlike reflectors. They all share this vacuum manipulation 
anomaly that unbalances the spatial reciprocity of action and reaction to 
include virtual particles becoming real. The EM drive, drives the geometry with 
microwave energy to push against the virtual pairs while Casimir effect, nano 
tubes and confined water molecules harness nano geometry to suppress the flow 
of virtual pairs thru our 3d plane – and IMHO also cause a small portion of the 
vp to become real which accounts for the anomalous heat and excess energy 
making nano geometry an energy source. Similar to the EM authors explanation of 
Unruh radiation being at the heart of the EM drive I have based a relativistic 
interpretation of Casimir effect on Jan Naudts 2005 paper on relativistic 
hydrogen. I believe the shorter vacuum wavelengths we see between Casimir 
plates actually appear longer from a local perspective inside the region where 
they contract as Naudts suggests for the hydrino…relativistically. All these 
diverse anomalous effects are whispering a connection to virtual particle 
manipulation and I don’t believe it is a coincidence.
Fran

From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT new state of water molecule discovered in 
confinement

From the article:

"At low temperatures, this tunneling water exhibits quantum motion through the 
separating potential walls, which is forbidden in the classical world," said 
lead author Alexander Kolesnikov of ORNL's Chemical and Engineering Materials 
Division. "This means that the oxygen and hydrogen atoms of the water molecule 
are 'delocalized' and therefore simultaneously present in all six symmetrically 
equivalent positions in the channel at the same time. It's one of those 
phenomena that only occur in quantum mechanics and has no parallel in our 
everyday experience."

I feel like this is a counterintuitive understanding of the condition of the 
water molecule that arises from the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum 
mechanics.  Hopefully I'm not misusing the term in applying it to this context.

Eric



On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160422163157.htm

[Vo]:OT new state of water molecule discovered in confinement

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160422163157.htm

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

[Roarty, Francis X]

Robin the 100kev might be an effect of direct current taking multipaths thru 
metal powders loaded with H ions - he doesn't say he is using a 100kv power 
supply.. [snip] "4 - a generator of direct current connected with a cathode and 
an anode to accelerate the electrons" [/snip] I am thinking micro spark gap 
circuits formed of powder grains and gas ions.

Fran  


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:43 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or 
both?

In reply to  a.ashfield's message of Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:15:22 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]

I wouldn't put too much stock in this. The metal parts are likely to short out a
100 kV voltage supply.

> From the lenr-forum.com
>Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
>
>"All replicators should pay attention to Rossi's provisional US-patent 
>61/999,582, filing-date: August 01, 2014. Provisional patents are not 
>published at USPTO but another site published a copy of this patent 
>which contains the following description:
>
> "In a reactor are put nickel powders, hydrides at a pressure of 3-6 
>bars an a temperature of 400-600 Celsius, AND AT ONE SIDE OF THE REACTOR 
>IS PUT AN ANODE, AT THE OPPOSITE A CATHODE, so that electrons are 
>accelerated up to 100 keV, ..."
>
>At the ends of the reactor are an anode and a cathode!!!
>
>"4 - a generator of direct current connected with a cathode and an 
>anode to accelrate the electrons"
>
>So Rossi is using DC to initiate (and maybe control) the reaction. (And 
>possibly uses the anode and cathode for direct extraction of electric 
>energy after the reaction occured - ECatX.)"
>
>https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3183-Rossi-s-missing-secret-or-E-CatX-description-or-both/?postID=17802#post17802
>
>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Has the 'impossible' EM drive being tested by NASA finally been explained? | Examiner.com

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, I agree but think some engineering is required to avoid cancellation of 
spatial forces, all the anomalous regions are unlikely to favor one spatial 
axis over another without some organized self assembly, otherwise it  which 
would mostly cancel out or in the case of the EM drive, need geometrical 
constraints to force a bias. I do however think a raw reactor could very easily 
demonstrate variable drag on the ether when placed on a beam balance and 
weights are thrown into the opposing scale, IMHO a battery operated “on”  
reactor in the scale basket would delay the balancing action compared to an 
“off” reactor in the same basket. This would also give a better reading on how 
much traction is available before we try to focus it in any specific direction 
to unbalance normal reactionary forces. Just occurred to me but an “on” raw 
reactor in space should actually cause orbital decay as the ship is now linked 
to regions in a different inertial frame creating friction to normal 
displacement – the EM drive may create push using microwave energy but I think 
reactors are basically an energy capture system and as such oppose the natural 
flow of VP and unless we reverse the design away from OU and intentionally over 
drive them in some manner will always act more like ether brakes than ether 
drives.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:44 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Has the 'impossible' EM drive being tested by NASA 
finally been explained? | Examiner.com

Here is the reference that explains the justification for this statement:

"Unruh radiation is the same as Hawking radiation by the equivalence principle."

Hawking radiation, Unruh radiation and the equivalence principle

http://arxiv.org/abs/1102.5564



On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
Assuming the radiation emitted by a LENR reactor is hawking radiation, it might 
be possible that the LENR reactor will accelerate in its frame of reference 
because it changes the nature of the vacuum in its frame of reference relative 
to the inertial frame of the universe. Hawking radiation makes virtual 
particles into real particles.

Simply stated, if acceleration produces Unruh  radiation then Hawking radiation 
will produce acceleration, if Unruh radiation is the same as Hawking radiation 
by the equivalence principle.

A LENR reactor in space will produce a reactionless drive.

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Jack Cole 
> wrote:
http://www.examiner.com/article/has-the-impossible-em-drive-being-tested-by-nasa-finally-been-explained

Re: [Vo]:Has the 'impossible' EM drive being tested by NASA finally been explained? | Examiner.com

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, this is what I have been saying for years based on Naudt’s 2005 paper on 
relativistic hydrogen being what Mill’s calls hydrinos and others call 
fractional or condensed hydrogen ect ect. Mainstream has no issue with 
relativistic contraction and dilation at near C or equivalent gravity wells 
where an object reaches trigonometrically significant additional intercepts 
with the river of vacuum particles passing thru our 3d plane at what “ALWAYS” 
appears locally to be the speed of light since the local observer is unaware of 
the dilation or contraction as he approaches C, IMHO this also occur in the 
negative direction when the normal rate of interception with these particles by 
a stationary object we refer to as the isotropy is broken by Casimir or similar 
forces to suppress these wavelengths – forcing them to contract and fit between 
plates that would be too close for the full wavelength if it remained in our 
“frame” –  It is a neo Casimir theory where the longer wavelengths only appear 
to be rejected from our perspective outside the cavity and it occurs much 
faster than the square law we are familiar with from astro physics, it may even 
explain some of the lacking gamma radiation because even though the spatial 
displacement is far less the temporal displacement. It could be on the same 
scale as black holes or as Jack used to suggest “white “ holes with 
corresponding gravity normally near the plank scale but these forces are being 
segregated and accumulated to the point where we can start to exploit them in 
the nanoscopic realm. I think the dangerous radiation could be occurring in 
these temporally displaced regions and is being softened by Lorentzian 
translations.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:44 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Has the 'impossible' EM drive being tested by NASA 
finally been explained? | Examiner.com

Here is the reference that explains the justification for this statement:

"Unruh radiation is the same as Hawking radiation by the equivalence principle."

Hawking radiation, Unruh radiation and the equivalence principle

http://arxiv.org/abs/1102.5564



On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
Assuming the radiation emitted by a LENR reactor is hawking radiation, it might 
be possible that the LENR reactor will accelerate in its frame of reference 
because it changes the nature of the vacuum in its frame of reference relative 
to the inertial frame of the universe. Hawking radiation makes virtual 
particles into real particles.

Simply stated, if acceleration produces Unruh  radiation then Hawking radiation 
will produce acceleration, if Unruh radiation is the same as Hawking radiation 
by the equivalence principle.

A LENR reactor in space will produce a reactionless drive.

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Jack Cole 
> wrote:
http://www.examiner.com/article/has-the-impossible-em-drive-being-tested-by-nasa-finally-been-explained

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Scientists make "Impossible Material" ... by accident

[Roarty, Francis X]

Those are certainly the hot dimensions for Casimir effects so I would expect 
those pores to be very reactive, might require glove box to keep oxygen and 
moisture free before exposing to to H/D/T.
fran

From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 8:35 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Scientists make "Impossible Material" ... by accident


Is there a potential for loading hydrogen/D/T in materials such as these..?


Scientists make "Impossible Material" ... by accident:
http://www.gizmag.com/upsalite-impossible-material/28393/?li_source=LI_medium=default-widget

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Roarty, Francis X]

Yes, but is the “customer” he refers to  IH contracting to install more 
reactors or is this Rossi’s lawyer or other Rossi shell companies that want 
additional units at the Florida location for other purposes?  It just doesn’t 
make sense that Rossi would be selling anything to IH while pursuing a lawsuit 
for lack of payment – more likely it is for Leonardo Corporation or other 
licensee and incorporates some of the new technology.  Did Rossi indicate if 
these new reactors would be the same technology as original? I could see Rossi 
using the Fla location as a showroom for his technology and perhaps customers 
are needed to finance the new reactors but I remain skeptical that IH could be 
“the customer” while claiming the unit fails to meet agreed upon gain in 
litigation.
Fran
From: Sean True [mailto:sean.t...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 11:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

There appear to be shell and holding companies. This is not unusual, nor is it 
unusual for a lawyer to act as a cutout. This keeps prying eyes (us) from 
observing the principals (people who want many watts of steam) closely.

Try penetrating a real estate trust, sometime.

Throwing additional dust into the air, it's also possible that more than one 
law firm is working for Rossi, but only one shows in the court filings. Less 
likely, but possible.

-- Sean

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
I thought the problem was the "customer" is also Rossi's lawyer?

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net<mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:51 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

So Rossi says the customer has ordered three more plants and he hopes to
build them in 180 days.

I expect the skeptics will write about "Rossi says" but I recall them
not believing the first plant existed because it was secret. Do they
accept the plant is real yet?   I don't know.

Anyway, if he has three orders in hand from the original customer, I
would say that is worth more than any expert's report when it gets to
court..

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

[Roarty, Francis X]

I thought the problem was the "customer" is also Rossi's lawyer? 

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:51 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]: Rossi: 1MW Plant Customer Bought Three More Plants

So Rossi says the customer has ordered three more plants and he hopes to 
build them in 180 days.

I expect the skeptics will write about "Rossi says" but I recall them 
not believing the first plant existed because it was secret. Do they 
accept the plant is real yet?   I don't know.

Anyway, if he has three orders in hand from the original customer, I 
would say that is worth more than any expert's report when it gets to 
court..

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

[Roarty, Francis X]

Perhaps Rossi NEEDS to take it back in court so any patent applications made by 
IH that are based on Rossi materials and IP are stripped and assigned to Rossi. 
He certainly wants the money most but I think he is also very concerned about 
the new IH patents and how much IP that IH has shared with competitors. The 
liability could be enormous compared to the 89M.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 9:59 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Rossi would not has gone to court if the ERV was not supportive of his case.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
Craig Haynie > wrote:

Rossi also wants his intellectual property back. Last year, IH filed a patent 
on Rossi's technology.

I.H. said his device does not work, therefore the intellectual property is 
worthless. Plus they have not paid him the $89 million. So I.H. no reason to 
keep it, and no standing to keep it (since they have not paid). Even if they 
said they want it, I expect any judge would rule they have to give it back.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

[Roarty, Francis X]

Perhaps this is why IH kept spinning off shell companies- to dampen the 
liability when they intentionally violated the nondisclosure and IP. A lot 
cheaper to let the “e-cat” out of the bag and then depend on your head start 
once the Chinese do the grunt work for you. Setting up a no lose scenario where 
a bust would prove Rossi didn’t have anything to sue over or a boom where their 
licensee value would immediately skyrocket and the payment to Rossi would 
amount to peanuts.. The problem for IH is Rossi called them on it before the 
Chinese results are known and did not give them the time they needed to 
monetize.. I think both sides have their ear to the ground waiting on Chinese 
results and suing IH for payment is just Rossi’s default move since he can 
declare the contract broken if positive reports while keeping the 89M in play 
in case of negative reports. Both sides  were hedging but I think Rossi may 
have eliminated the upside for IH by documenting contractual breach. I don’t 
think IH was expecting or financially prepared for this move – they thought 
they were the only sharks in the tank and now look like idiots.
Fran

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 6:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

As there is no trade agreement between the US and China transfer of IP from the 
US to China is really hard to understand that IH have transferred the IP.

I agree with that this is the way we will get final clarity about how well or 
at all the E-cat works. That might be good - I think so.

The other side of the story as I see it is that it shows how useless patents 
are. Only lawyers gain from the existence of patent. I can remember more 
License agreement that caused headache and controversy, than the ones that 
created mutual benefit. Contrary to the critic, against Rossi for the way he 
has accepted the agreement, I think it was smart to take money upfront. Then we 
will see what is in the pudding.:)

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com<mailto:lenn...@thornros.com>
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and 
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
<francis.x.roa...@lmco.com<mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>> wrote:
Bob , if you are correct the Chinese will have this tech in production very 
rapidly and then it doesn’t matter, an international technical race will ensue 
where government labs have carte blanche to catch up with the Chinese. Making 
Rossi whole will be an afterthought because the economy and world trade will 
demand everyone has equal access to this tech. IH letting the tech slip away 
would be bad for them but possibly very good for the world.
Fran
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com<mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 4:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

I do not consider it would be good faith to claim OWNERSHIP OF  E-CAT IP rather 
than licensee to use it to provide products in the license domain.  IH has had 
advertised substantial involvement with various entities in China.

The question in my mind is whether or not IH has kept Rossi’s trade secrets of 
his fuel formula, secret?

If IH has not maintained the secret, then I would question the suggestion by 
Robert Lynn  that they are in good faith adherence to the agreement.  Rossi 
raised this issue in his recent complaint.

I can imagine that the Chinese entities involved, as well as the Chinese 
Government,  would want to know the fuel parameters that work, and IH, in order 
to get them onboard, obliged, even though it did “secret sauce” was not a 
listed IP associated with the agreement.

Maybe the actual science of the LENR will remain as cloudy as ever.   But as 
has been suggested, reverse engineering with testing aimed at gaining 
reasonable understanding involving  accepted empirical physical constants, and  
consistent with a reasonable extension of  “current scientific theories” or 
validated new ones,  will happen more readily in China than elsewhere, IMHO.

Bob Cook



From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi


From: Robert Lynn

Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo worked 
they would be the happiest people in the world and would be on track to make 
vast amounts of money even if they had to hand over 90million they would be 
doing so with a big smile on their face.

I am glad to see someone recognizing the obvious dynamic in this situation, 
whereas the Rossi shills are lost in space, as usual.

If the d

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

[Roarty, Francis X]

Bob , if you are correct the Chinese will have this tech in production very 
rapidly and then it doesn’t matter, an international technical race will ensue 
where government labs have carte blanche to catch up with the Chinese. Making 
Rossi whole will be an afterthought because the economy and world trade will 
demand everyone has equal access to this tech. IH letting the tech slip away 
would be bad for them but possibly very good for the world.
Fran
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 4:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: I.H. press release responding to Rossi

I do not consider it would be good faith to claim OWNERSHIP OF  E-CAT IP rather 
than licensee to use it to provide products in the license domain.  IH has had 
advertised substantial involvement with various entities in China.

The question in my mind is whether or not IH has kept Rossi’s trade secrets of 
his fuel formula, secret?

If IH has not maintained the secret, then I would question the suggestion by 
Robert Lynn  that they are in good faith adherence to the agreement.  Rossi 
raised this issue in his recent complaint.

I can imagine that the Chinese entities involved, as well as the Chinese 
Government,  would want to know the fuel parameters that work, and IH, in order 
to get them onboard, obliged, even though it did “secret sauce” was not a 
listed IP associated with the agreement.

Maybe the actual science of the LENR will remain as cloudy as ever.   But as 
has been suggested, reverse engineering with testing aimed at gaining 
reasonable understanding involving  accepted empirical physical constants, and  
consistent with a reasonable extension of  “current scientific theories” or 
validated new ones,  will happen more readily in China than elsewhere, IMHO.

Bob Cook



From: Jones Beene
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi


From: Robert Lynn

Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo worked 
they would be the happiest people in the world and would be on track to make 
vast amounts of money even if they had to hand over 90million they would be 
doing so with a big smile on their face.

I am glad to see someone recognizing the obvious dynamic in this situation, 
whereas the Rossi shills are lost in space, as usual.

If the device really works, Rossi does not need IH – they are actually a burden 
- and the solution is to cancel their license. The lawsuit itself is an 
admission that either it does not work, or else the real scam is that IH is in 
fact double-dealing with the Chinese. Rossi will not present well to a jury, 
and has little chance of succeeding in a trial unless there is evidence of such 
a ploy.

Terry could be right that IH has a secretive plan to bypass Rossi and go direct 
to the big market, which is China – but is there any proof of that? There is no 
doubt that China needs this far more than anyone else, and that an e-cat may 
never be viable in the USA. That could be the big picture dynamic.

It just gets curiouser and curiouser….

RE: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Roarty, Francis X]

Russ, nice assessment – I agree that letting IH back in would be worst case for 
Rossi but he may have to allow it if they cry honest mistake and immediately 
make good on the original agreement… Rossi is probably in negotiations already 
with larger industries that could roll his inventions out much faster if he can 
disengage himself from IH, Really obliging of Darden et all to release their 
rights so easily at this time when the IP valuation just soared through the 
roof.
Thank you IH!
Fran

From: Russ George [mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:40 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

That is a very straight legal case Rossi reveals that points to the failure of 
IH to honor its contract. Rossi is clearly going to win this unless IH pays up 
the $89 million. Rossi is in the catbird seat as he is being seen to enforce 
his IP and license agreements which is a vital task under IP law. The courts 
usually take a very simple view of such matters if the payments are not made 
and infringements are shown then Rossi gets ALL his IP back and IH loses any 
licenses.

Since Rossi has now proven his tech works and IH has proven that big money will 
invest, aka Woodward funds, Rossi will find it simple to raise similar sums. 
Good for him he has played very cool and straight with IH and it seems clear IH 
has not done the same. We shall have to see what the courts say but in the 
meantime Rossi owns it all and can move ahead. Worst case scenario for Rossi is 
IH pays up to retain the license.

Given the obvious leaks that have been out prior to this document saying Rossi 
and IH were having difficulties someone on the inside has been playing a dark 
game against Rossi by feeding the trolls.

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

See:

http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Leonardosuit01-main.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Roarty, Francis X]

Wow! I would hope Rossi’s lawyer has actual evidence for these claims, if so 
Rossi may be short cutting their play and force an amicable settlement in 
everyone’s best interest.

[snip]Among other things, DARDEN, VAUGHN, IH and IPH have (a) disclosed the ECat
IP to LEONARDO's competitors; (b) attempted to utilize ROSSI and LEONARDO's 
trade
secrets outside of the scope ofthe limited License Agreement; and (c) attempted 
to misappropriate
the trade secrets by requesting a patent for ROSSI and LEONARDO's intellectual 
property in their
own name.” [/snip]

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

See:

http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Leonardosuit01-main.pdf

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

[Roarty, Francis X]

I suggested Mills should look for thrust also with a battery powered reactor on 
a beam balance, but my proposal is that drag would be easier to detect than 
thrust when comparing reaction time to counterbalances placed on the scale when 
the unit was running vs off.  I also wrote to Shawyer about the Naudt’s paper 
wrt relativistic hydrogen – suggesting that his microwaves and cavity geometry 
could be the same process in reverse using microwave energy to create 
relativistic regions [someone suggested the rf may set up standing waves], I 
don’t think this effect would be as concentrated as a Casimir cavity but on a 
macro scale inside a resonant cavity  the reflected paths persist, accumulating 
a slight spatial bias. IMHO the longer vacuum wavelengths said to be restricted 
inside a Casimir cavity still exist but dilate and contract such that they 
appear smaller from our perspective and there is a shallower larger reservoir 
outside the cavity where  wavelengths dilate in the opposite direction 
–stretching instead of contracting to counterbalance the cavity. This could 
explain why we have claims of both accelerated and retarded radioactive decays 
but note the accelerated decays are always much more pronounced and easily 
detected.. Although the temporal axis is equally 90 degrees displaced from 
every spatial axis I think this biased segregation between acceleration and 
retardation may allow a loop hole for unbalancing reaction forces in a closed 
system to produce thrust.
Fran
From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:00 AM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:E-Cat THrustEmDrive

Greetings Vortex-L,
I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/
Per aspera...Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA

[Vo]:mostly OT :Nature-inspired nanotubes that assemble themselves

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160328191849.htm

Nature-inspired nanotubes that assemble themselves, with precision

RE: [Vo]:The LENR triad and zinc volatility

[Roarty, Francis X]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160324154016.htm  something about 
the use of a gel to form a uniform powder in most reactive form might be 
applicable to LENR triad as well?
Fran

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:07 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:The LENR triad and zinc volatility


Three transition metal elements have an inter-connection and cross-identity to 
a mass of 64 a.m.u. - and to anomalous energy. One of them is volatile.

The LENR triad consists of nickel, zinc and copper. All three can arguably be 
connected to energy release in the LENR reactions which are labeled as 
nickel-hydrogen. In the past, theorists like Focardi had suggested that a 
fusion reaction converted nickel and protons into copper. Fusion with hydrogen 
is thousands of times less likely than nuclear decay, due to the Coulomb 
barrier; especially if beta decay can be accelerated by electrostatic changes.

Recently 64Zn has entered the picture, having seldom being mentioned before 
Parkhomov's Sochi results. The isotope is slightly radioactive but is 
considered "observationally stable" since its half-life is greater than 10^15 
years, but it does have a slight propensity to beta decay by positron emission 
to 64Cu, the swing element.

No one knows the role 64Zn can play, and that is why this post is rather 
tentative. Had Parkhomov seen radiation, a clearer picture could be framed. 
OTOH - the MFMP experiments where radiation is seen, have negligible excess 
heat. The jury is still out.

Moreover, there is a mundane explanation for the apparent disappearance of what 
could be 64Zn (which is labeled as 64Ni on pages 14 and 15 in the Sochi 
translation) - which is not related to a nuclear reaction. Zinc has a boiling 
point of 907 °C, so that an alloy of nickel and zinc which had a combined 4.4% 
enrichment of mass-64 at the start of an experiment could lose 2% of the zinc 
to simple evaporation. This is part of Eric's concern about measurement errors.

Plus, can we assume that the zinc vapor condenses elsewhere?It would also be 
possible if not likely that the zinc would "sweat" from the alloy and 
recondense on the surface of nickel particles, thereby increasing the 
percentage over the starting level. In practice, this is what happens with 
zinc. The actual mechanism could be learned by testing the interior wall of the 
reactor for condensate.

If there is a nuclear decay reaction responsible for the thermal anomaly, then 
64Cu is the "swing element" in the triad - and has a half-life of about 12 
hours. It can beta decay by positron emission to 64Ni, or more often by 
negative beta decay to 64Zn, but mostly by electron capture to 64Ni. There is 
little residual radioactivity. The positron emission should be detected. Since 
there is no evidence of that well-known signature - doubt is cast on the 
mechanism being nuclear.

One further mechanism involves dense hydrogen. If there is zinc in a nickel 
alloy particle which sweats out, its absence leaves sub-nano porosity which 
would allow deep penetration by hydrogen molecules to cavities where they could 
densify as Cooper pairs. The possibilities for making dense hydrogen in situ 
are enhanced and this allows several other pathways for gain, including 
non-nuclear.

Holmlid has suggested (by implication, since he really did not detail it per 
se) that a cycle of densification followed by expansion can release several 
hundred eV of energy on each pass and this can happen at a high sequential 
rate. That would be "supra-chemical" energy which is only possible so long as 
the net gain comes from "outside the system" ... which invokes the zero point 
field.

Given the totality of evidence, and the fact that small gain from nuclear decay 
or nuclear fusion could happen as a side-effect, it is likely that the bulk of 
excess heat is not coming from any type of nuclear reaction but from some other 
route.

New physics galore.

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]: Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Roarty, Francis X]

Time dilation sounding plausible yet? :_)
Fran

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]: Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel


Bob Greenyer got this answer back from Parkhomov on the "64Ni" question (Sochi 
results).

"About high content of 64Ni. We assume that in fact an impurity 64Zn was 
registered. Mass spectrometer cannot distinguish between these two isotopes."

That could be big news… This could be a major breakthrough... or not. The 
isotope in question was depleted by almost half, so it provided most of the 
excess heat. If the 4.4% of mass 64 was due to zinc, then about 8% of the 
starting nickel was zinc contamination which is high but not impossible. Since 
Parkhomov sounds fairly sure, then he may have seen the other zinc isotopes 
which were not mentioned.

Obviously, the next questions are something like this: was the depletion of the 
zinc-64 (compared to the starting level) due to its slight inherent 
radioactivity, and was the decay vastly accelerated? If so, then we must accept 
that accelerated beta decay can provide excess heat and possibly avoid 
detection. Other mechanisms are possible but 64Zn has an extremely long 
half-life, yet it is known to beta decay.

The bottom line is that it would be wise to add zinc to a glowstick experiment 
to see if it could really be this simple.

[Vo]:New chinese aluminum-graphite dual-ion battery

[Roarty, Francis X]

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-03/caos-crd032416.php 

RE: [Vo]:Re: Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Roarty, Francis X]

Bob, that’s an interesting theory.. wasn’t over abundant copper one of the 
anomalous Rossi claims?
Fran

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:51 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

Ni-64 +  neutron = Ni-65.  Ni-65 (natural decay 2.5 hr to Cu-65 via a beta – 
emission.)

It only takes a regular H to react with a electron to form a slow neutron.

Analysis of Cu isotopes (before and after) is warranted  relative to the Ni-64 
question IMHO.

Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:33 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel


HLV: “The stimulated decay of 64Ni should be accompanied by neutrons and/or 
radioactivity. If it decayed directly to 62Ni this would generate detectable 
neutrons and other radioactive isotopes. On the other hand if 64Ni decayed to 
62Ni by first decaying to 63Ni, then 63Ni should be detectable since it has a 
half-life of about 100 years.

Harry

I see that another older, possible slant on the identity of the gainful 
reaction of 64Ni is still online, which is the Oppenheimer-Phillips effect. 
This goes back 6 years!

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/06/cold-fusion-and-blacklight-power.html

The OP mechanism gives the effect of neutron absorption in nickel without the 
need of free neutrons. Thus, secondary activation is not a problem. The main 
problem with the OP hypothesis is that it limits the gainful reaction to the 
one nickel isotope (64) in combination with deuterium - so why does it not 
happen with the other nickel isotopes?

Does the 64Ni nucleus possess enough of a shielded positive charge at the 
near-field, due to the extra neutrons? That would allow only the heavy nickel 
to participate in stripping, but it is a stretch. And here is a further stretch…

The OP effect depends on deuterium and ostensibly does not involve hydrogen, 
and there is simply not enough natural deuterium available – unless…that is… 
the OP effect also works with “virtual deuterium” which would be pretty good 
description of the UDD molecule.

But that is adding another miracle into the mix ☺

Hey… why not?... we’re getting close to Easter.

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]: EM Drive(s)

[Roarty, Francis X]

Russ, backfilling the cavity with any reactant would kill the standing wave 
formation –if we want to hybridize the EM drive with LENR reactors we might 
need to go the other way and instead  attempt to downsize the shawyer 
geometries and stack them via self assembly into a bulk powder or skeletal 
catalyst, maybe this was the missing concept DiFiore needed 
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0109091  - I don’t think they utilized gas 
loading which IMHO would provide far more mass pushing against a relativistic 
vector to unbalance the spatial axis of reaction in our frame – my vote is that 
suppression of vacuum density allows for linkage between frames unlike the 
nature of near C relativistic effects. Suppression effects like Casimir are 
very near field and predominately “induced” without regard to gas velocity but 
allowing normal equal and opposite reactions to become unbalanced thru dilation 
and contraction..trading decay rate for spatial vector / pushing in the 
direction of time axis from the perspective of our macro isotropy.
Fran

From: Russ George [mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]: EM Drive(s)

Of course what the EM Drive energy mystery suggests is an experiment where an 
addition inside the EM Drive might be made, a simple small amount of 
crystalline Li2D2 could well provide more available reactant than what the 
ordinary copper which always has some tramp H2 the EM Drive is made of holds.

From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 7:47 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: EM Drive(s)

Eric, my understanding of the Crookes radiometer is that it measures light 
intensity by the rotation of its vane, but the effect is NOT due to photon 
emission recoil, it is due to the effects of the differential heating of the 
minute amount of gas present in the bulb.  In a hard vacuum, this radiometer 
would not work - photon emission recoil would be insufficient to make the vanes 
move.  I had one of these as a teen.
As I recall, the radiated photon recoil is proportional to power in the photons 
emitted, but not wavelength of the photon.  For a given power emitted, it takes 
fewer short wavelength photons but you would get more recoil per photon.  Laser 
emission would seem to be ideal.  But the effect is very small.

I wish I had some insight in the case of the Shawyer thrust effect.  I cannot 
say that I really even have an informed opinion - that would require far more 
study than I have done.  It is a marvelous mystery and perhaps someday I will 
participate.  For now, I am trying to stay focused on LENR.
Bob

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Bob Higgins 
> wrote:

My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that the thrust Shawyer calculates 
and measures from his devices is several orders of magnitude higher than what 
could be obtained from photon radiation recoil - even if all of the generated 
RF were radiated unidirectionally.  A small leak of RF would provide an 
undetectable thrust.  That's what makes his devices interesting.

My intuition is actually in line with this.  Obviously there is no observable 
thrust with a flashlight, for example.  And a powerful spotlight doesn't budge, 
even though enough power is being fed into it to drive a motor.  Nonetheless I 
was curious what the relationship between energy and radiation pressure is.  
Here is what Wikipedia says for a blackbody emitter:

[Image removed by sender.]
P is pressure, epsilon is emissivity, sigma is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant 
and T is the temperature.  I wonder what the relationship would be for a 
non-blackbody emitter emitting photons at a specific frequency.  Although 
radiation pressure is a small force, apparently it's nonneglible.  Wikipedia 
says that "had the effects of the sun's radiation pressure on the spacecraft of 
the Viking program been ignored, the spacecraft would have missed Mars orbit by 
about 15,000 kilometers."  We also see it doing real work in the case of a 
Crookes radiometer:

[Image removed by sender.]
I see that the Shawyer device is operating more or less at the level of 
measurement uncertainty. There are no unequivocal results at this point by 
third parties. Some of the tests even show reverse thrust when positive thrust 
was intended.  Given this level of uncertainty, it would seem that little can 
be ruled out at this point.  Even air convection.  One imagines that much more 
testing is needed.

Have you formed an opinion on what might conserve momentum in the case of the 
EM drive, if something like radiation pressure is ruled out?

Eric

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

[Roarty, Francis X]

Which takes something physically present to do the warping…ok if it can remain 
spatially fixed but I suspect it will have to dilate on temporal axis to 
maintain equal and opposite action across frames.

From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:59 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:43 PM, 
> wrote:

See my reply to David. Everyone is making the assumption that a force can only
act against another object, because that has always been our experience. This
may be the first tangible experience of a force acting against the vacuum
itself, rather than another object.

If we can warp spacetime, we can also push against it.

Does this require that the vacuum be something other than a frictionless 
superfluid?

Eric

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

[Roarty, Francis X]

On Tues 3/15/2016 Jones Beene said [snip] Shawyer claims that a standing wave 
interference pattern is created by geometry, operating frequency path lengths. 
And he claims that “stress energy of space” is altered by the interference 
pattern. That sounds a lot like aether.[/snip]
I agree withShawyer and like the breach in isotropy created by 
Casimir cavities it segregates vacuum density only the EM requires both power 
and the trapezoid geometry to form the segregated regions which the rf also 
pushes against in a manner biased in favor of one region over the other. IMHO 
he might find more evidence if he did a beam balance measurement of 
propellant–less braking while adding or subtracting weight from the counter 
balance because he would be able to measure all the linkage to ether effects 
differentially wrt the device turned off. My point is the EM drive still 
suffers from the same weakness as the failed circa 2k DeForio et all experiment 
with stacked parallel Casimir cavities in trying to establish a spatial bias, 
If I am correct the motion of segregated vacuum density regions through the 
macro isotropy is exactly equivalent to frame dragging in astrophysics with out 
the need for relativistic velocities. The clues have been there, anomalous 
spontaneous emission of photons in microwave cavities, anomalous half life 
decays in nano powders – Puthoff coined the term vacuum engineering but few are 
willing to believe negative vacuum density can be manipulated easily to 
relativistic values in regions large enough to contain hydrogen gas and control 
its decay rate thru time dilation.
Fran


From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 11:32 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)


A related but alternative bit of insight comes from John Wallace in the cited 
paper on spin waves. I thought Bob Cook was aware of it, but maybe not since he 
did not bring up the most important detail - mass.

It would be relevant to Shawyer’s drive if the Frustum were to have an iron 
liner component, such as an inner layer of sheet iron or even iron plating, 
which is not the case, but anyway this paper is worth a read on the off-chance 
that copper can produce spin waves like iron (doubtful).

http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.1631

In Wallace’s hypothesis, applied to Sawyer, RF would be converted into 
transverse (spin) waves. These waves have special properties and importantly 
they have mass. One dispersion curve yielded a real but exceedingly small 
effective mass of 1.8 10^{-39}kg for spin waves… which is not too far removed 
from the mass energy of the microwave photon which created it. But unless the 
copper frustum acts to release the same spin wave as does iron this explanation 
does not work for Em. Plus, since these waves have mass, they can be depleted 
over time without a replenishment source which spoils the idea of very long 
space missions. Most of the idealists balk at a theory that doesn’t get them 
access to intergalactic Sci-Fi missions. ☺

There are other partial explanations which actually mesh with spin waves. 
Shawyer claims that a standing wave interference pattern is created by 
geometry, operating frequency path lengths. And he claims that “stress energy 
of space” is altered by the interference pattern. That sounds a lot like 
aether. A chiral aether with effective mass, together with spin waves of 
effective mass – that would explain everything - yet observers shy away. Too 
bad.

A third slant is Puthoff's patent - showing that a small but detectable curl 
free potential can be created from interference patterns passing through 
barriers, presumably like a copper wall. If the microwaves remain inside the 
cavity, then there is no interaction with the vacuum except by invoking a 
massive wave, and consequently, there is no established theory to give external 
thrust to the device except the Wallace approach, which comes the closest since 
it predicts wave-particles of low-but-real mass. Wallace does have real 
uncontested data for spin waves whereas Shawye’s data is challenged.

Original Message-
From: Eric Walker

Bob Cook wrote:

If a pulsed magnetic field is involved in the EM drive it may be that effective 
momentum is sent off into space as a pulsed magnetic field with some effective 
mass associated with the average intensity of the magnetic field pulse—energy 
associated with the pulse.

This is along the lines that I was thinking.

Consider a simple thought experiment. We have a microwave waveguide with the 
output focused in a single direction sitting out in the middle of space where 
there is little in the way of an external field.  Attached to it is a battery 
sufficient to drive a magnetron at 10 W for some period of time.  We turn on 
the magnetron remotely.  Microwave photons with a total power amounting to 10 J 
per second are now being emitted in a preferred direction.  For the sake of 
argument we 

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

[Roarty, Francis X]

Perhaps "when" did the mass go answers the question better to explain the 
spatial imbalance.

-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 5:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

In reply to  David Roberson's message of Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:44:33 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>From the EM drive's point of view the CoE must be violated because as it 
>accelerates in space a portion of it's mass must be converted into energy that 
>is used to power the drive.  When it ceases to use the drive it begins to 
>remain motionless in space from its point of view.   Where did that mass go 
>which was converted into energy that powered the drive?  Did it simply vanish?

When a electric car drives down the road, where does the expended energy show up
in the reference frame of the car?

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

[Roarty, Francis X]

I vote for accumulated time dilation that unbalances one of the spatial axii 
wrt radiation pressure – the geometry and the microwave energy conspire to 
slightly segregate the vacuum density in the cavity and the radiation path 
slightly prefers one region of segregation over the other, bouncing around in 
resonance it slowly accumulates a time dilation and a corresponding imbalance 
in radiation pressure wrt spatial axii.

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

OK.  I have always seen evidence that linear and angular momentums are 
orthogonal to each other somewhat like sine waves and cosine waves.  Each one 
is conserved independently of the other.

This is a classical viewpoint so perhaps there may exist a quantum mechanical 
version that is different, but I am not aware of that case.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook >
To: vortex-l >
Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2016 4:14 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)
Dave--

I agree with your comment—note I suggested it SEEMS to happen.  The real issue 
is what happens in a coherent system.  Can a nano particle convert spin—angular 
momentum--- to linear momentum?

Bob Cook

From: David Roberson
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:49 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)

Bob, if you take the kid and merry-go-round as a system in free space it can be 
shown that both linear and angular momentum are conserved.  The interaction 
with the Earth makes it less clear.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook >
To: vortex-l >
Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2016 11:22 am
Subject: [Vo]:Re: EM Drive(s)
It may be that the intrinsic spin (and angular momentum) of a particle is 
converted preferentially to a particle with linear momentum in the direction of 
a magnetic field.  In this case there would be no apparent conservation of 
linear momentum.  This seems to happen in macroscopic systems—a kid running and 
jumping on a merry-go-round to make it go faster.  It may only require a QM 
coherent system to produce linear momentum from scratch in the EM drive devices.

It’s all about spin...

Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:EM Drive(s)

From: Vibrator !

>  So an EM drive in a lab cannot show an energy asymmetry because it can't 
> accelerate anywhere.

That does not add up logically or scientifically… Despite conflicting claims, 
no one has yet “busted” all of the positive results, which are probably about 
“chirality” more so than any other anomaly. Newton may not apply fully to 
chiral systems and possibly not the Laws of thermodynamics either. That is why 
this field is of great interest to LENR.

Or… based on your ‘handle,’ is this a lead-in to the Mythbuster lesson?

OK, I’ll bite: here is the reference to the small and large scale analogies of 
violating Newton’s law by “blowing your own sail”  expressed in the Mythbuster 
videos which have a broader message to offer the microwavers (e.g. oscillate 
(vibrate) the magnetron beam, around the axial vector)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKXMTzMQWjo=1

If the EM drive is valid, it can be demonstrated beyond doubt in a Lab model, 
like the sail analogy. It’s probably a cop-out to dream up a lame excuse 
otherwise. The lesson from the sails, which seems to be missing from the failed 
experiments with microwaves - is that you have to find the symmetry break – and 
therefore - need to vector thrust slightly on your virtual sail, prior to 
reflection in a way that maximizes the chiral anomaly.

Ron Kita may want to expound on this subject, but chirality is the symmetry 
breaking property of some reflected systems which encompasses variation from a 
mirror image- which is the simplified version. LENR can be looked at as a 
reflected system of hydrogen oscillating between dense and ambient states.

The larger question for LENR is this: is the thermal anomaly of Ni-H (as a 
non-fusion reaction) explainable as the impedance gap in the Chiral anomaly (of 
hydrogen oscillating between dense and inflated states around 13.6 eV) … as 
expounded in the first graph of the Cameron paper?
http://vixra.org/pdf/1408.0109v4.pdf

Or alternatively, does an additional Lamb shift modality of the type that 
Haisch claims also enter into the picture as gain from hydrogen oscillation 
between two asymmetric states?

It’s all about spin…

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:EM Drive(s)

[Roarty, Francis X]

Even kilowatts of electrical energy for kilowatts of propellant-less thrust - 
don't need to get OU if we can just dispense with carrying fuel!

-Original Message-
From: Russ George [mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 4:40 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:EM Drive(s)

Now that there are lenr kits and bits being sold and as well the Orbo's it
is time for someone to offer EM Drive kits. Enough of this fantasy about a
cell phone that needs no battery or an efficient home heater... What is
really inspiring is making science fiction's most desired fiction a reality
and seeing tonnes of propellant-less thrust with mere kilowatts of
electrical power that will surely be an effective space propulsion.  Where
is the best discussion and details on DIY EM drives to be found?

RE: [Vo]:Big surprise or big dud ?

[Roarty, Francis X]

Yes a little underwhelming but if they truly have a hands down recipe to 
repeatable anomalous heat it will probably get a number of industry labs and 
their funding off the fence wrt LENR. Now researchers can prove to their 
management this is real.
Fran
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:44 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Big surprise or big dud ?


Where is the big surprise?

I woke this morning with anticipation - expecting to see proof from MFMP of a 5 
hour self-sustained reaction. Instead, we get graphs of modest gain at the 
noise level and radiation counts peaking in the few hundred per second - when 
we need to seeing a million times more - if the radiation does indeed relate to 
excess heat at kilowatt level. Yawn. Let's hope there is much more forthcoming 
than this.

What am I missing?

Re: [Vo]:DCE for SPP

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil,
Perhaps vacuum energy cannot perform measurable work at our typical physical 
macro velocities  relative to C but  vacuum wavelengths / virtual particle 
density does define inertial frames and ,IMHO, can do work if you are not 
outputting reaction mass to push an object toward C. My point is that if you 
harness DCE to move objects between different frames of negative portions of C 
where vacuum density is instead subtracted between different negative values by 
Casimir suppression you get these regions of equivalent negative accelerations 
for free as a property of the lattice defects and quantum geometry,  and the 
normally un-exploitable property of HUP [random motion of gas] accumulates as 
it moves the atoms between these regions forcing a spatial imbalance where they 
start to contract in what I am convinced is actually a negative form of 
Lorentzian contraction and time dilation that fits the claimed anomalies for 
both f/h and tritium. Naudts should have pursued his 2005 math paper further 
but he did endorse the hydrino telling me he understood the implications but 
was afraid to go out on the limb. I continue to endorse a view that these 
negative vacuum regions can be as relativistic wrt open space as, open space is 
to the gravity well of an event horizon, but now the isotropy [vacuum density] 
is re-defined as the difference between the square law of gravitation and  
inverse cube of Casimir suppression. In this definition the hydrogen is able to 
exploit the previously un-exploitable property of random motion [HUP trap] to 
move between these negative frames whereas a positive equivalent would require 
rocket fuel to attain different frames in a gravity well. I believe there then 
exists a set stage for “building” a Heisenberg trap [Maxwellian demon of sorts] 
but nature will always take the path of least resistance and contracted 
hydrogen will forever move through these negative regions avoiding work unless 
we limit their paths and force its motion to perform work.
I suspect the orbitals of f/h molecules oppose changes between inertial frames 
while atoms move freely and after disassociation the atoms reform new molecules 
at whatever inertial region they happen to occupy when they meet just waiting 
for random motion to move them away to regions where their contraction level 
opposes the local density enough to again disassociate the molecule and start 
the cycle over again. Photons from this process are very likely the key to 
engineering this process into a positive loop instead of nature’s desire to 
damp out and seek the easy path but SPP and resonance are beyond my skill set.
Fran


From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:18 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:DCE for SPP

I don't believe that the vacuum does work.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:36 PM, 
> wrote:

I'm always a bit suspicious of theories that make use of "negative energy".

It's what is needed to do negative work.

Eric

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:DCE for SPP

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, well put! It is exactly as you say " that perhaps insufficient
consideration may have been given to the integration with the larger system." , 
the mainstream considers the isotropy of open space a sort of ground state 
because virtual particles and Casimir effect were not considered. Nano regions 
can be suppressed via Casimir effect to attain vacuum densities far lower than 
we observe at the macro scale. Mainstream only wants to consider changes in 
vacuum density / inertial frames as a functions of relativistic acceleration or 
equivalent acceleration adhering to square law.
Fran

-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:44 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:DCE for SPP

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:53:18 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Let us get to the bottom of this fear. Expand...

It depends on exactly what is meant by negative energy. If meant in an absolute
sense, then I am very doubtful. However if it's just a consequence of only
considering too small a system (i.e. where the boundaries are chosen too small),
then I have no problem with it, other than that perhaps insufficient
consideration may have been given to the integration with the larger system.


>
>On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:36 PM,  wrote:
>
>> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Tue, 9 Feb 2016 20:04:51 -0500:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >Do you believe the the Penrose mechanism can also add a multiplier effect
>> >to the extraction of energy from the vacuum in the dark mode SPP?
>> >
>> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose_process
>>
>> I'm always a bit suspicious of theories that make use of "negative energy".
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:DCE for SPP

[Roarty, Francis X]

Jones,
can you view this?   
http://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.113.093602
it looks like an earlier version that isn't behind a pay wall.
Fran



From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:31 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:DCE for SPP

Here is another paper which reinforces the previous one... (wrt DCE being 
relevant to understanding one form of LENR - the glow-stick version)

"The dynamical Casimir effect generates entanglement" Felicetti, S et al
http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/MAR14/Session/J28.11

"The existence of vacuum fluctuations, i.e., the presence of virtual particles 
in empty space, represents one of the most distinctive results of quantum 
mechanics. It is also known, under the name of dynamical Casimir effect, that 
fast-oscillating boundary conditions can generate real excitations out of the 
vacuum fluctuations."

Long-awaited, the first experimental demonstration of this phenomenon has been 
realized only recently, in the framework of superconducting circuits [C. M. 
Wilson et al. Nature 479, 376-379 (2011)]. In this contribution, we will 
discuss novel theoretical results, showing that the dynamical Casimir effect 
can be exploited to generate bipartite and multipartite entanglement among 
qubits. We will also present a superconducting circuit design which can 
feasibly implement the model considered with current technology.


"Dynamical Casimir effect for surface plasmon polaritons"

The title says it all, in terms of hitting on two of the significant new 
catch-phrases which are cropping up in the glow-stick version of LENR, but the 
paper (from Estonia) is behind a paywall...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0375960114012195

Ostensibly, it would explain how the SPP can become excessively energetic in 
circumstances which are relatively mundane. One message that is emerging is 
that SPP formation could be gainful in itself, despite whatever happens next. 
One photon going in with two coming out... provides a mechanism for gain if the 
wavelength is the same.

Abstract

The emission of photon pairs by a metal-dielectric interface placed between the 
mirrors of the resonator and excited by a plane wave is considered. The 
excitation causes oscillations in time of the optical length of surface plasmon 
polaritons in the interface. This leads to the dynamical Casimir effect - the 
generation of pairs of surface plasmon polariton quanta, which transfer to 
photons outside the interface. In the case of a properly chosen interface, the 
yield of two-photon emission may exceed that of the usual spontaneous 
parametric down-conversion.

[Vo]:nano cracks made easy -new method

[Roarty, Francis X]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160202110807.htm

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Hydrogen uptake causes molecular “avalanches” in palladium

[Roarty, Francis X]

Although they don’t go into specifics it is a confirmation that something 
unique is happening to this constrained hydrogen[snip] the “avalanches” within 
the nanoparticle lattice may be caused by the hydrogen atoms finding 
intermediate, or metastable, energy states during the reconfiguration.  In 
large enough particles, the rearrangement of the lattice into these metastable 
states causes permanent defects to form in the lattice itself. [/snip] these 
created defects would be my bet for causing life after death, IMHO metastable 
atoms formed by the lattice constraint turn around and put pressure on the 
lattice when they try to form metastable molecules – eventually creating 
defects where they accumulate and slowly leach out. I don’t think anyone knows 
how long a hydrino or pico hydrogen molecule can last outside the lattice but 
AFAIK no one has ever seen a standalone or volume of hydrino gas in a flask. My 
suspicion is they take on numerous metastable states by disassociation and 
reassociating their way out of the lattice/defect tapestry while harnessing the 
change in constraints to discount the disassociation threshold. By the time the 
hydrogen escapes the lattice completely it back to normal hydrogen or tritium 
with only half life anomalies to indicate something unique may have occurred.

Fran


From: Mats Lewan [mailto:m...@matslewan.se]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 6:31 AM
To:  
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Hydrogen uptake causes molecular “avalanches” in 
palladium

Don’t know if this contains new findings. Might be relevant for Pd+H systems, 
and maybe also Ni+H systems.

"As the hydrogen is taken up over time, there is eventually a sudden 
reconfiguration of the hydrogen distribution within the lattice, a process 
colloquially referred to as “avalanching.” "

http://www.anl.gov/articles/hydrogen-uptake-causes-molecular-avalanches-palladium
Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.com

[Vo]:Ice-like phonons in liquid water discovered

[Roarty, Francis X]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160119151516.htm

Re: [Vo]:Iron oxide, hydrogen and a mechanism for densification

[Roarty, Francis X]

I subscribe to a relativistic explanation for Casimir effect and the molecular 
form of hydrogen that forms from atomic hydrogen inside these voids would be 
contracted with the potential to either escape or, if the hydrogen is being 
loaded under pressure, allow even more atomic hydrogen inside to form more and 
further contracted molecules.  As the trapped population grows inside the iron 
dislocations it pushes the relativistic h2 into inertial frames where they get 
more space in exchange for time dilation. IMHO these relativistic molecules 
treat the dislocations like pump houses until they get small enough to escape 
the dislocation and load into the lattice  - these lattice bound f/h2 would be 
my explanation for life after death claims as the fractional H2  slowly 
disassociate and reassociate to escape the lattice. I think the molecular bonds 
formed in these “pump houses” oppose changes in the vacuum density that would 
normally allow atomic hydrogen atoms to translate freely between negative 
values of vacuum density and the isotropy, escaping the dislocation with both 
atoms resisting their molecular bond such that the disassociation threshold is 
discounted to and beyond the point of over unity in a MAHG, or Lyne atomic 
furnace sort of scenario.
Fran
From: Teslaalset [mailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Iron oxide, hydrogen and a mechanism for 
densification

Bob, forming of molecular Hydrogen is indeed often mentioned by embrittlement 
experts, but imagine what would happen when sufficient UDH inside metal 
lattices would be activated.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Bob Higgins 
> wrote:
My understanding of at least the conventional thinking of hydrogen 
embrittlement of irons has to do with internal dislocations and vacancies in 
the iron.  The hydrogen can penetrated iron in its neutral monatomic form but 
cannot as H2.  When the hydrogen gets loaded into the iron as a monatomic 
species and encounters a void/dislocation/vacancy, it may hang around in there 
long enough for it to encounter another monatomic hydrogen and then it forms an 
H2 molecule.  The H2 molecule cannot escape.  Eventually more and more H2 
molecules are formed in the void and it becomes high pressure, putting a great 
deal of stress on the lattice causing the embrittlement.
In the UHD form, the hydrogen would simply escape from the void; and thus, UHD 
would seem to be counter to that which I think of as embrittlement of iron.

Also, keep in mind that most FexOy catalysts are formed as fine oxide (+ 
alkali) particles that are agglomerated into a larger, but highly porous body.  
These are not like rust on an iron slug.  The whole idea is for H2 to be able 
to breathe through the material.


On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Teslaalset 
> wrote:
Good point. Embrittlement could indeed be coupled to UHD.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Jones Beene 
> wrote:
Typically, in the production of iron, hematite is reduced using coke or coal… 
almost never with hydrogen. That is because there are known problems with 
hydrogen, besides cost.

The main reason for using carbon is that coal and coke is extremely cheap – and 
it takes a lot of it, but hydrogen when present tends to cause “hydrogen 
embrittlement” in iron, which could be related to UDH. In fact, coke is used 
instead of coal because it has no hydrogen content.

Embrittlement, in severe cases is related to long time exposure to hydrogen, 
and this could indicate that some of the damage is being caused by UDH, as it 
densifies and penetrates. IOW, any hydrogen exposure to iron causes problems – 
and the longer the exposure, the worse the problem.

From: Teslaalset


>  wouldn't that have caused numeral problems at traditional production of 
> magnetite using 3Fe2O3 + H2 → 2Fe3O4 +H2O, assuming UDH can be made in a 
> similar manner ? Holmlid indicated in one of his papers that UDH can be 
> formed as well using Shell 105 catalyst.

The “leap of faith” and it is large… is that in a matrix of iron-oxide, loaded 
with pressurized deuterium which is absorbed (and is bosonic) there will be an 
continuous oscillation and change in volume of the nanopores, when hematite 
changes to magnetite and back again – and this oscillation will create shock 
waves which are comparable at that small geometry, to what Holmlid sees with 
laser pulses. These would occur at IR frequencies in a heated pressure vessel, 
which is also magnetized. Because of the IR, there could be a plasmonic effect.

The nano shock waves would be combined with large changes in local magnetism, 
as the phase shifts from ferromagnetic ordering to antiferromagnetic rapidly. 
There is likely to be a contribution from DCE – the dynamical Casimir 

RE: [Vo]:Knots and LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil, Very well said! I was going to try putting the argument in terms of 
Puthoff vacuum engineering where the knot unbalances the relationship between a 
neo Lorentzian ether and the stability of matter, my relativistic perspective 
never agreed with the M basis of a stationary luminiferous ether coexisting 
inside our 3d space. IMHO a Puthoff like ether theory exists where virtual 
particles exist forever in time but only intersect with our 3d plane in the 
present – when we see virtual particle pairs grow into and out of existence in 
our plane they do so from a single point where only the temporal bias can be 
modified not the spatial, locally the vp always travel on the time line but on 
the macro scale we see time dilation and contraction in M type experiment. I 
can see where this disqualifies a theory where the ether occupies a 3D volume 
but from an extra dimensional perspective our 3d plane may be a simple illusion 
and time literally perceives our reality as a 2d plane that it passes thru.  
The fact that Lorentzian transformation is based on a Pythagorean relationship 
between time and space may be more telling than we want to admit. My point is 
that assuming a spatial bias so that the ether can interact globally in a 3d 
volume may have been a wrong assumption not about the ether but rather about 
the 3d nature of our reality with a strong suggestion we exist instead in a 
sort of folded 2D intersected by time… wow ! another limb for me to climb out 
on :_)
Fran


From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 2:15 AM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Knots and LENR

Knot theory is old style science and goes back to Lord Kelvin.

[quote]Knots have been used for basic purposes such asrecording information, 
fastening and tying objects together, for thousands of years. The early, 
significant stimulus in knot theory would arrive later with Sir William Thomson 
(Lord Kelvin) and his theory of vortex atoms.

James Clerk Maxwell, a colleague and friend of Thomson's and Tait's, also 
developed a strong interest in knots. Maxwell studied Listing's work on knots. 
He re-interpreted Gauss' linking integral in terms of electromagnetic theory. 
In his formulation, the integral represented the work done by a charged 
particle moving along one component of the link under the influence of the 
magnetic field generated by an electric current along the other component. 
Maxwell also continued the study of smoke rings by considering three 
interacting rings.

When the luminiferous æther was not detected in the Michelson–Morley 
experiment, vortex theory became completely obsolete, and knot theory ceased to 
be of great scientific interest. Modern physics demonstrates that the discrete 
wavelengths depend on quantum energy levels.
[/quote]

But the æther has been now theorized to be a "Spin Net Liquid"

In condensed matter physics, a string-net is an extended object whose 
collective behavior has been proposed as a physical mechanism for topological 
order by Michael A. Levin and Xiao-Gang Wen. A particular string-net model may 
involve only closed loops; or networks of oriented, labeled strings obeying 
branching rules given by some gauge group; or still more general networks.

Their model purports to show the derivation of photons, electrons, and U(1) 
gauge charge, small (relative to the planck mass) but nonzero masses, and 
suggestions that the leptons, quarks, and gluons, can be modeled in the same 
way. In other words, string-net condensation provides an unification of photon 
and electron (or gauge bosons and fermions). It can be viewed as an origin of 
light and electron (or gauge interactions and Fermi statistics). However, their 
model does not account for the chiral coupling between the fermions and the 
SU(2)gauge bosons in the standard model.

http://dao.mit.edu/~wen/NSart-wen.html

[quote]The first hint that a new type of matter may exist came in 1982. "Twenty 
five years ago we thought we understood everything about phases and phase 
transitions of matter," says Wen. "Then along came an experiment that opened up 
a whole new world."

"The positions of electrons in a Fractional Quantum Hall (FQH) state appear 
random like in a liquid, but they dance around each other in a well organized 
manner and form a global dancing pattern."

In the experiment, electrons moving in the interface between two semiconductors 
form a strange state, which allows a particle-like excitation (called a 
quasiparticle) that carries only 1/3 of electron charge. Such an excitation 
cannot be view as a motion of a single electron or any cluster with finite 
electrons. Thus this so-called fractional quantum Hall (FQH) state suggested 
that the quasiparticle excitation in a state can be very different from the 
underlying particle that form the state. The quasiparticle may even behave like 
a fraction of the underlying particle, even though the underlying particle 

[Vo]:quantum knots accomplished!

[Roarty, Francis X]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160118134930.htm

RE: [Vo]:Iron oxide, hydrogen and a mechanism for densification

[Roarty, Francis X]

Jones, Good insights!  Assuming temp control to keep the magnetite / hematite 
populations roughly in balance what other parameters could we vary to force the 
populations to oscillate? Electrical, magnetic, microwave, gas pressure, etc. 
etc. It seems like a low cost effect to investigate with a potential windfall 
of valuable data even if it doesn't turn out to be "THE" missing piece of the 
puzzle [and if it is the missing piece you just saved the world!]
Fran


From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Iron oxide, hydrogen and a mechanism for densification


Here are some factoids to toss around in pursuit of UDD on an industrial scale. 
This does not seem to be what Holmlid is doing, but it makes sense anyway, at 
least on paper.

Magnetite is iron-oxide with the chemical formula is Fe3O4 ratio 1:1.33 (iron 
to oxygen atoms)

Hematite is iron-oxide with the chemical formula is Fe2O3 ratio 1:1.5 (iron to 
oxygen)

There are striking differences in the physical properties of the two oxides - 
especially electrical conductivity and magnetic susceptibility. Oxygen can be 
strongly paramagnetic and can cause superparamagnetism at the nanoscale. Thus 
varying oxygen content of the oxide is the key.

When hematite is combined with hydrogen and heat, some of the oxide will be 
reduced to magnetite and steam, but then then magnetite will be combined with 
steam and heat and be oxidized back to hematite.  This can happen rapidly, on a 
time scale of picoseconds. Thus, a shifting balance between the two oxides is 
reached at equilibrium, when hematite is stored in the presence of pressurized 
deuterium and heat. The secondary results of this see-saw - nanomagnetism - 
should lead to hydrogen densification due to magnetic interactions.

The two oxides have different, but similar, physical structure, based on 
hexagonal nanoporosity and will hold varying amounts of hydrogen. But rapid 
changes in magnetization would be the avenue leading to UDD.

This process may sound similar to the deuterium uptake in palladium, seen in 
cold fusion... but in contrast the pores in iron-oxide are an order of 
magnitude larger and are in the range of the Casimir force, whereas the 
palladium matrix is too tight to benefit from Casimir dynamics.

Specific gravity of iron: 7.84  g/cm3; Specific gravity of oxygen: 1.1 g/cm3.

Density of Magnetite: 5.175 g/cm3 (Measured); 5.20 g/cm3 (Calculated specific 
gravity).

Density of Hematite: 5.15 g/cm3 (Measured); 5.30 gm/cm3 (Calculated specific 
gravity).

Thus we can see that in comparing the two oxides, hematite "should be" less 
dense (than it is in actuality) based on its higher oxygen content and the 
lower specific gravity of oxygen. This means that magnetite has slightly 
greater nanoporosity but both are significantly nanoporous. It is the change in 
porosity, when going from H-to-M-to-H rapidly - which is important.

When hydrogen enters the picture, as a gas - it is stored in the nanopores and 
becomes reactive, based on temperature - but as the oxides change from H 
(hematite) to M (magnetite) and back again, trillions of times per second, the 
net effect is like a pump, or a piston engine. Rapid change is pressurization 
and magnetization could set the stage for gradual densification over time. 
Temperature control would be important.

Based on these parameters, it should be possible to make significant amounts of 
UDD over an extended time period, simply by storing pressurized deuterium in 
iron-oxide - at temperature near the Néel temperature of ~950 K (675 C) ... for 
weeks to months. Something similar may happen with nickel-oxides at lower 
temps, but being less reactive, not as robust. The chances of success with this 
kind of static densification technique would seem be far greater with 
iron-oxides than nickel oxides.

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Roarty, Francis X]

Harry, I can’t speak to your method but I am convinced that you are correct in 
thinking whatever method provides LENR anomalies should work both ways and that 
driving the system in reverse we should be able  to “push” against whatever the 
underlying source of force of the anomaly happens to ultimately be.. if I am 
correct about relativistic/ZPE we will get inertia less drive soon after robust 
LENR is mastered.  I am also  ok with the source being a new form of nuclear 
reaction – at this point I don’t care who is right just want to see a working 
device demonstrated  so the ball will finally get rolling.
Fran

From: H Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:20 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Here is example of resonant system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaxw4zbULMs
Treat the concealed spring mechanism within each metronome as a model of a 
nucleus. However, instead of the pendulum being driven from previously stored 
energy in the spring, as happens in the video, imagine redesigning the link 
between the pendulum and the spring so that the spring is wound up as the 
pendulum oscillates. The pendulum oscillations would be powered from a force 
pushing the platform back and forth on the cans.

Harry

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Bob Cook 
> wrote:
Harry--

It may be possible with proper design.  It would seem to take a coherent system 
(entangled QM system) of electrons and various nuclei in which the electronic 
structure could be excited to an elevated energy state which would then be 
brought into resonance with a nucleus or several nucleus which would then 
transition to a metastable state or new nuclei will less stability (greater 
binding energy per nucleon) than the original coherent system of nuclei and 
electrons.  (Einstein's assumed equivalence of the various types of energy 
would apply here.)

Bob Cook


From: H Veeder
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons could 
be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus?

Harry

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote:


I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins of the 
electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism to match 
resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin  potential energy to the 
phonic energy of electrons.

RE: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Roarty, Francis X]

I wonder if said nucleons would then tie together multiple inertial frames and 
if so would the inertia of the macro object be modified? Maybe a grain of truth 
behind claims of gravity modification / levitation myths without the need for 
collider scale superconductors using instead quantum effect of suppression 
geometry on ambient trapped gas inside limestone lattice.
Fran

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Harry--

It may be possible with proper design.  It would seem to take a coherent system 
(entangled QM system) of electrons and various nuclei in which the electronic 
structure could be excited to an elevated energy state which would then be 
brought into resonance with a nucleus or several nucleus which would then 
transition to a metastable state or new nuclei will less stability (greater 
binding energy per nucleon) than the original coherent system of nuclei and 
electrons.  (Einstein's assumed equivalence of the various types of energy 
would apply here.)

Bob Cook


From: H Veeder
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons could 
be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus?

Harry

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote:


I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins of the 
electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism to match 
resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin  potential energy to the 
phonic energy of electrons.

Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Roarty, Francis X]

Only got a moment but wanted to interject a comment and a thought here, I think 
this line of investigation has the low hanging fruit that could finally get us 
over the cusp, I hope the researchers will use LENR as a test bed for their 
investigation because I am convinced it represents associated parameters of 
constraint just like the difference between [P1V1] = [P2V2] and [P1V1/T1] 
=[P2V2/T2], It is the reason these anomalies are detectable in LENR even though 
the magnetic constrains are presently due to happenstance.  The research 
between magnetic fields and gravity need to be conjoined with LENR to provide 
the constraints needed for robust measurable anomalies to occur at reasonable 
levels of effort instead of requiring collider scale superconductors to elicit.
Fran
From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

From the link that Arnaud sent, there is an interesting possible application 
(emphasis mine).  Google translated.

"André Füzfa: that's it! My basic question was how to generate gravity at will. 
And how to do it on the basis of the technology we have now. Magnetic fields 
(or electric) are the only suitable candidates, since the control by making 
them appear or disappear at will (almost). It revolutionizes our way of 
studying gravitation! And this will also be a way to use it to our technology! 
Imagine such a way to communicate from one end to the other of the globe 
without the need for satellite or terrestrial relay ...! It would be a 
revolution authorized by the gravitational wave generation using alternative 
intense electric currents."

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:33 AM Arnaud Kodeck 
> wrote:
Here is an interview of André Füzfa is the local newsweek: 
http://www.levif.be/actualite/sciences/maitriser-la-gravitation-le-belge-qui-bouscule-la-theorie-d-einstein/article-normal-447671.html

It is written in French.
Arnaud

From: Rich Murray [mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com]
Sent: mardi 12 janvier 2016 05:49
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

http://www.unamur.be/services/sevrex/sevrexp/librecourriel/2013/lcl-79/fuzfa-andre/view

nice friendly happy bright confident open face

ah, what will be emerging by 2116... ??

!! Rich

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
The Rodin coil is raped in a vortex. It produces a monopole magnetic field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefDwDzHKLA



On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jack Cole 
> wrote:
Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review 
D.
  The full paper is available on Arxiv.

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

Jack

Re: [Vo]:A new explanation of why sodium explodes in water

[Roarty, Francis X]

I wonder if any of the nano tubules can be salvaged? Would they not likely be 
supercats? It would be a much easier way to make robust cats for home 
experiments.
Fran

-Original Message-
From: Brad Lowe [mailto:ecatbuil...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:42 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A new explanation of why sodium explodes in water

Great video Harry.

Basically the electrons shoot off the surface of the metal into the
water in and leave positive ions that repel each other explosively.

Here is a link to the paper: http://marge.uochb.cas.cz/~jungwirt/paper263.pdf
and another video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdFlgnl8rPs

- Brad



On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:15 PM, H Veeder  wrote:
> This story may have been posted before. The research is interesting on three
> levels. 1) It showed that the standard explanation that every chemistry
> student is taught is wrong. Second it showed that amateur scientists can
> contribute to the advancement of science by professional scientists. Third
> it provides an example of coulomb explosions which have sometime been
> mentioned in the context of LENR.
>
> High speed camera reveals why sodium explodes!
> (24;58 min)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmlAYnFF_s8
>
> Same youtuber has also investigated a related phenomena which he thinks has
> still not been adequately explained.
>
> Invisible metal
> (5:26 min)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIGMfai_ICg
>
>
>
> Harry

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: North Korea... and the UDD "candle"?

[Roarty, Francis X]

!!! Well said :_)

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:51 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: North Korea... and the UDD "candle"?

Assuming that whatever the reaction is that produces a lot of energy from 
potential energy, that energy must be distributed as heat without destroying 
the structure allowing the coupling—potential energy to heat.  In this regard I 
would consider that there is a condensate or other coherent system which allows 
includes this coupling.  The magnetic field that Higgins suggests may be such a 
coupling mechanism, allowing the electronic structure of the snowflakes  to 
accept the potential energy changes—maybe nuclear mass reductions—without the 
damaging, high—kinetic---energy individual particles and the radiation 
associated with these particles.

For what its worth, any idea that is not correct is “total crap” which there 
must be a good deal of given the variety of ideas.

Bob Cook



From: Bob Higgins
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:North Korea... and the UDD "candle"?

I think the argument being offered is that because the Rydberg matter has such 
large diameter electron orbitals, there is a high magnetic moment for these 
materials.  When one ~2D hexagonal Rydberg "snowflake" is put atop another, the 
magnetic moments align like two disk magnets oriented N-S-N-S.
Since in this case we are talking about H or D Rydberg snowflakes, I think the 
electrons are all in large planar Rydberg orbitals and this hexagonal Rydberg 
snowflake would behave as a BEC.  Because of that, if one of the electrons were 
forced to take a different orbital, it may completely disrupt the cluster.  So 
I have been thinking about ways that the small separation could occur that 
could work across an entire snowflake all at once.
I have mentally postulated that as more and more "snowflakes" align and stack, 
perhaps the magnetic moment forces along the axis of the aligned atoms squeeze 
the layers together, just as 3 magnet disks stacked will produce a greater 
axial field than 2 magnet disks.  In the case of disk magnets, as the number in 
the stack increases, at some point the axial field will not continue to 
increase - because of the high permeability of the magnetic material, the field 
will leak out the sides.  It could be that these highly anisotropic Rydberg 
snowflakes may not suffer that effect and the axial magnetic field may continue 
to increase for a large number of stacked layers.
Also, in that same vein... if one of the electrons in a Rydberg cluster 
(presume BEC) were excited out of the Rydberg state (ionized) perhaps by a 
photon interaction, the whole snowflake could self-destruct.  If it were an 
inner layer for a large stack of snowflakes that self-destructed, you could 
have the effect of the magnetic field of many stacked snowflakes acting on the 
particles - sort of a magnetic explosion.  In that case, it may be possible 
that a particle could receive magnetic accelerations from many layers at once - 
a large number of atoms in the stack acting upon the few particles of the 
disintegrating inner layer that was ionized by the photon.  In that case, the 
energy supplied may not represent Coulombic explosion, but instead an Oersted 
explosion with many particles acting on a few.  Then the whole business of the 
2.3 pm spacing, based solely on Coulombic explosion calculations, is pure 
poppycock.

However, I do not understand Winterberg's postulate entirely and this magnetic 
theory of mine could be total crap.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, 
> wrote:
In reply to  Bob Higgins's message of Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:51:47 -0700:
Hi,

This message will only make sense if viewed with a fixed width font.
[snip]
>What Holmlid proposes is that planar hexagonal Rydberg clusters of deuterium 
>can form stacks where the inter-nucleus spacing in the stack can be 2.3 pm.  
>The hexagonal Rydberg clusters are essentially planar with an inter-nucleus 
>spacing that is bigger than D2 gas.  So, in one dimension, along the column of 
>the stack, Holmlid claims that the inter-nucleus spacing is 2.3 pm, while in 
>the other 2 dimensions the inter-nucleus spacing is 100x bigger.  From a 
>density standpoint, this would be a set of linear strings.  How do you ascribe 
>density to something that is a linear string?  It would certainly be a tensor.
[snip]
I was going to write:-

What makes me highly skeptical of the claim is that I see no way to get two
deuterons (or protons for that matter), within 2.3 pm of one another while the
electrons are hundreds of pm away.

...when it occurred to me that the columns might interleave, such that the
electrons from one layer came between the nuclei from the layers above and
below. The spacing between layers would then be half of 2.3 pm.

Imagine 

RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Jack, I have been following this also and even the proposed use of large 
superconducting magnets in a collider are only expected to produce miniscule 
variations but just proving the correlation is a very important step and I 
think LENR will benefit enormously. Jones’ focus on a correlation between 
magnetic fields and LENR may turn out to be an understatement if, as I suspect, 
there is synergy between the suppression of a lattice NAE and  the size of the 
magnetic field needed to redirect gravity.
Fran

From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 8:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

Saw this posted to the Google+ LENR group.  Seems interesting and has at least 
been accepted for publication in Physical Review 
D.
  The full paper is available on Arxiv.

They do propose a method of producing gravity through electromagnetism and 
detecting the effects.  There does not seem to be any new physics proposed.  
Although the effect would be minuscule and likely of no practical value in the 
immediate future, they note:

"Such a detection of the space-time curvature generated by a magnetic field in 
laboratory would constitute a major step in physics: the ability to produce, 
detect, and ultimately control artificial gravitational fields. And would this 
technology be developed, it could lead to amazing applications like the 
controlled emission of gravitational waves with large alternative electric 
currents. Gravity would then cease to be the last of the four fundamental 
forces not under control by human beings."

Jack

[Vo]:could Rydberg and relativistic be the same?

[Roarty, Francis X]

Rydberg orbitals are huge while we are told that  fh and other condensed, 
Mill’s like models have orbitals lower than ground state but what if the Naudts 
model of relativistic model of the hydrogen atom is  correct and achieved some 
of the smaller fractional values  he was considering… how would the orbital of 
such  a dilated atom appear? My point is we are programmed to assume these 
dilated structures only occur at near C spatial displacement and no though is 
given to how a relatively stationary particle would appear in a lab where space 
time is modified  by other equivalent means [ suppression via types of London 
forces]. IMHO the orbital would appear to shrink and speed up  from our 
perspective in a Lorentzian like fashion to surround a nucleus displaced on 
what we would consider the temporal axis but the question becomes how to 
consider an orbital flying perpendicular to the 3d space from which the 
measurement is perceived, does the shrunken time unit /accelerated half life 
require a corresponding spatial displacement?  Just wild conjecture but could 
dilation be the source of all this confusion wrt syntax?
Fran

RE: [Vo]:North Korea... and the UDD "candle"?

[Roarty, Francis X]

Jones, I’ve been stuck in a mode considering anomalous forms of hydrogen as 
free flowing molecules exposed to surrounding tapestry of metal lattice, but 
your suggestion of “metalized hydrogen”  makes me consider a solid solution. 
could metallic hydrogen self catalyze such that it doesn’t need the intense 
pressure other than an “immediate” tapestry surrounding it, ie self catalyzing 
in Millsian fashion within a parent lattice from which it builds inward ? I 
still subscribe to the Naudts relativistic proposal but applied now to this 
solid concept where perhaps the parent lattice maintains the solid foundation 
and then successive layers of proportionally shrunken metal hydrogen lattice 
grow /push inward  away from the parent lattice “down a well”  where each 
successive layer is exposed to fewer and fewer virtual particles in a negative 
Lorenztian like manner without the need for near C displacement. My proposal 
being that metalized hydrogen can load much further down into the interstial 
space of the parent lattice and  grow instead extra dimensionally outward. 
Reactions at the extreme excursions of these extradimensional wells would 
achieve large values of spatial displacement and temporal dilation but being a 
solid would provide mechanical linkage back to our frame. Could relativistic 
displacement and mechanical linkage together explain some of the strange 
anomalies with LENR like spectrum shifts, lack of Gamma radiation, modified 
half lives and even a recent thread about radiation not measured near the 
reactor wall but measured further away?
Fran

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 11:03 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:North Korea... and the UDD "candle"?


From: Teslaalset

>   There may still be the issue of sufficient lifetime of UDD to be 
> resolved though.

Yes, it could be short. Has anyone seen recent data on average lifetime from 
Holmlid?

We know that metallic hydrogen, as previously described in the literature, is 
not stable unless kept under extreme pressure. The assumption has been that 
whatever species corresponds to UDD is not this kind of metallic hydrogen (the 
previously described variety) … although it could be metallic. Thus the 
confusion. There could, in fact, be several varieties of condensed hydrogen 
which are possible, including whatever Mills’ theory suggests.

Holmlid’s UDD is far denser than the metallic hydrogen which is made in a 
diamond anvil press. That would mean that shock compression is fundamentally 
more efficient than mechanical compression.

One detail which would make my day, and yours too - would be an emission line 
coming from the decay of the Holmlid version of UDD which matches the 3.5 keV 
emission line which is turning up everywhere these days in cosmology.

This would mean that UDD is probably the same species as “dark matter” and it 
would provide greatly needed secondary validity to Holmlid’s claims.

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Process in Terraforming Applications

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil,  how about considering Naudts relativistic proposal for Mills shrunken 
hydrogen  wrt to the arguments against liquid metallic hydrogen [snip] This 
idea that the sun is a condensed matter object rather than a gas explains many 
of the solar mysteries that have perplexed solar science for the last two 
centuries. But what cannot be explained and what is discouraging the idea that 
he sun is a condensed matter body made up of liquid hydrogen is how that liquid 
could remain liquid under the tremendous heat and pressure that exists inside 
the sun and in its atmosphere.[/snip] My point being that the liquid pressure 
and temperature are calculated in our frame of reference and those numbers 
would be misleading if this shrunken material is significantly shrunken via 
relativistic effects.. an individual relativistic hydrogen atom would be 
unaware of time dilation, would see more local “space” and less pressure than 
we would detect from our undilated frame. Perhaps energy transitions and 
spontaneous emissions from the dilated hydrogen pile up and translate as they 
transition away from the relativistic frames back to a normal frame in the 
macro world where we can observe it. If each atom /molecule in the lattice has 
its own well the heat and pressure would not accumulate till it 
exits/translates up the well into the interstial space between.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 9:11 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Process in Terraforming Applications

Intensity-normalized, superposition of visible spectra of the SunCell plasma 
and Sun’s radiation at the Earth’s surface demonstrating that they both emit 
blackbody radiation of about 5800-6000K. From the blackbody curves, the SunCell 
plasma has the same temperature as the Sun emitting the same solar spectrum of 
light but at extraordinary power equivalent to 50,000 times the Sun’s intensity 
at the Earth’s surface. The implications are extraordinary. The SunCell plasma 
has an essentially perfect spectral match to the Sun.

As in the sun, this shows that the suncell is producing light from a metalized 
hydrogen molecule with a graphite structure.

See

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/07/lenr-is-a-fundamental-force-of-nature-axil-axil/

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 8:53 PM, > 
wrote:
In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Fri, 08 Jan 2016 01:34:39 +:
Hi,

I don't think this will work. If you apply power to a wind turbine, you will
most likely just create a local vortex that redirects air into itself in a form
of "short circuit". Much as can happen to helicopters when they hover.
The result is no wide spread air current, and a lot of wasted power.

>Isn't it fun to play with numbers?
>
>http://brilliantlightpower.com/blacklight-terraforming-application/
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:[Vo] X-rays in LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

Alain, very nice citation!
Fran

From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Alain Sepeda
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 2:39 AM
To: Vortex List 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:[Vo] X-rays in LENR


Lou Pagnuco on LENR-Forum found an arxiv paper.

do you think it have connection ?

I see also connections with Hydroton's theory...

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.08504v1.pdf
"X-ray laser pulses from solids"
ABSTRACT: In experiments on irradiation of metal surfaces by ions of keV 
energy, X-ray laser radiation  was observed despite population inversion was 
unexpected. The radiation continued after the bombarding by ions was switched 
off. In this paper unusual properties of that X-ray radiation are analyzed. 
Anomalous states are formed inside the metal. These states are associated with 
narrow potential well created by the local reduction of zero point 
electromagnetic energy. This reminds the van der Waals potential well. States 
in the well are long-living which results in population inversion and the 
subsequent laser generation observed.

The author speculates that LENR may be due to up-conversion of low energy 
quanta into
nuclear excitations.

Peter Hagelstein discusses the Karabut results in --
"Directional X-ray and gamma emission in experiments in condensed matter 
nuclear science"
http://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Directional-X-ray-and-gamma-emission-in-experiments-in-condensed-matter-nuclear-science.pdf


from:
http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2427-Re-examing-Karabut-s-anomalous-collimated-X-rays/

2015-12-29 0:37 GMT+01:00 Eric Walker 
>:
Hi Bob,

Your experience in the nuclear energy sector is no doubt relevant here.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Bob Cook 
> wrote:
My experience is that any fast charged particles creates x-rays which would be 
observed and correlated with the ejection of electrons from the inner electron 
shells of atoms.

X-rays have been observed on many occasions and have been correlated with 
excess heat. In addition, characteristic x-rays that go back to the ionization 
of inner shell electrons are of an energy that is readily attenuated by quartz, 
water and stainless steel, which means you have to take special steps to 
measure them. (Also, the x-rays are often collimated for some reason.)

Also, if there are no fast neutrons, it is unlikely that one would expect to 
observe fast charged particles nor gammas, since they would likely be born from 
a nuclear transmutation.

This is an expectation that goes back to a certain understanding of what's 
going on (i.e., it is partly a theoretical understanding). That begs the 
question -- what if something different is going in in this case?

In addition, if the LENR reactions take place in a coherent system of 
significant size,  the probability of the production of  high kinetic energy 
particles may be low compared to the distribution of energy in many small 
amounts and/or directly as phonic energy of a lattice being part of a coherent 
system.

This is another theoretical expectation. Some people, such as Peter Hagelstein 
and Mitchell Swartz, like explanations involving a coherent system of some 
kind.  I personally find such approaches difficult to grasp in light of basic 
thermodynamical considerations.

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] X-rays in LENR

[Roarty, Francis X]

It would also be interesting to retest on an outgassed lattice to see if the 
effect still occurs.  Fractional ambient gases instead of hydrogen.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:47 AM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:[Vo] X-rays in LENR

The is something special about the layered structure of graphite. I would 
follow that lead.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Alain Sepeda 
> wrote:

Lou Pagnuco on LENR-Forum found an arxiv paper.

do you think it have connection ?

I see also connections with Hydroton's theory...

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.08504v1.pdf
"X-ray laser pulses from solids"
ABSTRACT: In experiments on irradiation of metal surfaces by ions of keV 
energy, X-ray laser radiation  was observed despite population inversion was 
unexpected. The radiation continued after the bombarding by ions was switched 
off. In this paper unusual properties of that X-ray radiation are analyzed. 
Anomalous states are formed inside the metal. These states are associated with 
narrow potential well created by the local reduction of zero point 
electromagnetic energy. This reminds the van der Waals potential well. States 
in the well are long-living which results in population inversion and the 
subsequent laser generation observed.

The author speculates that LENR may be due to up-conversion of low energy 
quanta into
nuclear excitations.

Peter Hagelstein discusses the Karabut results in --
"Directional X-ray and gamma emission in experiments in condensed matter 
nuclear science"
http://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Directional-X-ray-and-gamma-emission-in-experiments-in-condensed-matter-nuclear-science.pdf


from:
http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2427-Re-examing-Karabut-s-anomalous-collimated-X-rays/

2015-12-29 0:37 GMT+01:00 Eric Walker 
>:
Hi Bob,

Your experience in the nuclear energy sector is no doubt relevant here.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Bob Cook 
> wrote:
My experience is that any fast charged particles creates x-rays which would be 
observed and correlated with the ejection of electrons from the inner electron 
shells of atoms.

X-rays have been observed on many occasions and have been correlated with 
excess heat. In addition, characteristic x-rays that go back to the ionization 
of inner shell electrons are of an energy that is readily attenuated by quartz, 
water and stainless steel, which means you have to take special steps to 
measure them. (Also, the x-rays are often collimated for some reason.)

Also, if there are no fast neutrons, it is unlikely that one would expect to 
observe fast charged particles nor gammas, since they would likely be born from 
a nuclear transmutation.

This is an expectation that goes back to a certain understanding of what's 
going on (i.e., it is partly a theoretical understanding). That begs the 
question -- what if something different is going in in this case?

In addition, if the LENR reactions take place in a coherent system of 
significant size,  the probability of the production of  high kinetic energy 
particles may be low compared to the distribution of energy in many small 
amounts and/or directly as phonic energy of a lattice being part of a coherent 
system.

This is another theoretical expectation. Some people, such as Peter Hagelstein 
and Mitchell Swartz, like explanations involving a coherent system of some 
kind.  I personally find such approaches difficult to grasp in light of basic 
thermodynamical considerations.

Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

[Roarty, Francis X]

Frank,
… hotter on outside than inside could correlate with 5D Calvert theories, 
Axil’s citation about radiation not measured nearby outer reactor wall but some 
readings made at a distance – as you say black hole or relativistic physics 
where radiation might be displaced temporally while still occupying our same 3d 
spatial coordinates as the reactor and immediate surroundings.  If shrunken 
hydrogen in a lattice is relativistic for the reasons predicted by Naudts then 
emitted radiation would travel along the hypotenuse between time and space 
steadily returning to our same time coordinates but  losing power at what it 
perceives as the square of the distance while we perceive nothing  until the 
Lorentzian effects dissipate so that our equipment  can detect it {displaced 
out away from reactor walls]. IMHO this  isn’t the same as relativistic 
velocity of hydrogen ejected from the suns corona where the hydrogen is moving 
relative to a stationary background.. this is negative equivalent velocity 
where the environment is moving around an essentially slow moving hydrogen atom 
causing it to shrink and decay rapidly from our perspective – the escaping 
radiation from any reactions in this environment are still traveling thru this 
Ventorii like area of space time caused by vacuum suppression of the lattice 
and tapestry of Casimir geometry. I think this would explain a lot, anomalous 
decay rates and difficulty in measuring radiation at the source but I am not 
sure what happens to radiation traveling thru the extremes of Casimir 
geometry.. Experiments with lasers across the “mouth” of Casimir plates 
detected very little dilation but I think this was flawed implementation – like 
traveling straight across the bay of a river those experiments would not see 
the real tidal effects where the waterway narrows and whitewater provides a 
tapestry of different accelerations.
Fran

From: Frank Znidarsic [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:59 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week

The whole thing makes sense if you take black hole physics, Casimir cavities, 
and shrunken atoms into account.

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene >
To: vortex-l >
Sent: Sun, Dec 27, 2015 12:54 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week
Whopper of the Week
1)  140 patents in progress
2)  Direct electricity or heat – either one or both
3)  Jet engine application
4)  Fully Robotic factory to make fuel wafers
5)  Reactor hotter on outside than inside
6)  No fuel module replaced in last 300 days
Please add your own favorite miracle to the growing list …

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:A way to reinvestigate the Patterson cell?

[Roarty, Francis X]

It sounds like they are trying to combine skeletal catalysts with nano powders, 
increase activity? Surface area? Controllability? 
Fran

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:A way to reinvestigate the Patterson cell?

The process of using a sacrificial material or alloy such that the unwanted
material is removed in a second step in order to create porosity in the
desired material - that was the way that the original patent for Raney
nickel worked. Hmm... is there novelty here, based on Raney nickel as prior
art ?

BTW - another application from one of the inventors is assigned to Dow
Chemical. IIRC, Patterson had worked for Dow before retiring.

-Original Message-
From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com 

A new patent application --

CORE-SHELL CATALYST AND METHOD FOR PALLADIUM-BASED CORE PARTICLE

Abstract: A core-shell catalyst includes a porous, palladium-based core
particle and a catalytic layer on the particle. The particle can be made by
providing a precursor particle that has palladium interspersed with a
sacrificial material. At least a portion of the sacrificial material is then
removed such that the remaining precursor particle is porous.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2015/0372313.html

-- may provide a way to create particles with controllable surface
micro-topographies.  Perhaps a way to recreate the Patterson "beads", or
other promising surfaces?

RE: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[Roarty, Francis X]

Jones, I have suspected a similar explanation for coral castle and monolith 
levitation – that the calcium based limestone forms cavities of Casimir 
geometry which contain trapped ambient gases that are in some manner stimulated 
asymmetrically during an up and down stroke between counterbalanced blocks to 
make them walkable.
Fran

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 5:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor


From: John Berry

If it works..

And that's a big IF, I do suspect it is possible to get energy out of 
asymmetric inertial transformation.

---

Yes, the one explanation which has a chance… “IF” the RAR works, is asymmetric 
inertia – most likely using the so-called “Casimatter,” configured as the 
weights. If it works, RAR will not let anyone get near those weights- which are 
disguised as solid metal blocks to hide what is inside.

The Principle of Equivalence - inertial mass is always equal to the 
gravitational mass– would presumably not apply to Casimatter. The 800 pound 
block used as the main weight for the gravitational down-stroke would 
effectively have something like 795 pounds of inertial resistance on the 
upstroke, for instance. This why you have to super-size it. Everything else, 
including the numerous design changes they have gone through, would be 
smoke-and-mirrors designed to confuse copycats.

About 5 years ago, Nick Reiter experimented with zeolites contain various metal 
ions – looking for the elusive Casimatter. AFAIK, he never was sure that he had 
found it unless it was with the aluminum chloride zeolite. But he was not 
telling everything… Come to think of it, there were some Brazilians on that 
forum who showed a keen interest in the experiments ☺

RE: [Vo]:Re: LENR reactors need magnetic confinement

[Roarty, Francis X]

Bob, also seems Sonny White may be investigating similar 
http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/08/update-on-sonny-whites-warp-field.html 
electrostatic vs electromagnetic field but same issue wrt measuring changes 
that are only  .1 to 1 percent the wavelength of laser frequency used. Again I 
think multiple stages with variable spacing could enhance the changes measured.
Fran

-Original Message-
From: Roarty, Francis X (US) 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:42 AM
To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com' <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: LENR reactors need magnetic confinement

Bob you said the light entering the field would regain its original 
characteristics upon exiting - which I agree with but it does suggest some 
interesting experiments of a different nature, shaped and nested fields of 
electromagnets or electrostatics [maybe both] with variable spacing [focus] 
along a LOS for a camera to try and unbalance and amplify like a telescope or 
microscope -also wrt to Robins suggestion would a microscope focused on the 
region "float" the original image to our frame or would it become unfocused as 
it translates out of the field? Both questions above are basically the same, 
can "lenses" embedded in two different fields utilize focus effects on light to 
overcome the normal return to original characteristics? Changing the path and 
orientation in different frames would be small but like a telescope multiple 
lenses would multiply the effect.
Fran 

-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: LENR reactors need magnetic confinement

That sounds like a good experiment.

Bob Cook

-Original Message- 
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 7:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR reactors need magnetic confinement

In reply to  Bob Cook's message of Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:21:38 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Light entering the intense magnetic field would regain its original
>characteristic upon exiting the field.  However, if your eyes were also in
>the magnetic field they would sense the changes effected by the magnetic
>field IMHO.

It should be possible to put a camera in close proximity to a powerful 
magnet,
then see if any change is detected as the magnet is turned on and off (would
need to be an electromagnet).

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:Re: LENR reactors need magnetic confinement

[Roarty, Francis X]

Bob,
Your reply to Robin touches on something I have been trying to 
articulate - the possibility that magnetic fields can have a synergetic effect 
upon regions of Casimir suppression or NAE as found in these reactors and 
skeletal catalysts. My point being that all these rules for conservation are at 
war with the anomalous effects we are trying to amplify and simply using the 
present variables our buckets are leaking too fast to reveal any robust 
effects, perhaps the difficulty in reproduction is because we are not 
containing all the variables. Along with heat, NAE, and gas loading the 
anomalies to date may have hidden magnetic shielding or field variables that go 
unrealized or documented [somebody mentioned Parkhov having his reactor in an 
iron pot?] . if correct this bodes well for intentional manipulation of these 
variables by experiment.  ideas that come to mind are self contained 
experiments [battery powered] inside a faraday shield, or outer reactor walls 
designed as the center core of  a magnetic armature [transformer without a 
secondary]. The recent threads wrt magnetic field and 5d [calvert and others] 
remain unproven as do all the anomalous over unity claims and IMHO we need to 
do a little wild catting wrt to synergy between these seemingly unrelated 
parameters because just like refrigeration you don’t get measurable temperature 
effects until you contain ALL the parameters. [it's not just P1V1=P2V2 if you 
are trying to change temperature]
Fran
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: LENR reactors need magnetic confinement

Robin--

My comment was intended to apply to the local point in space that the light 
and magnetic field were occupying.   For example light passing through glass 
slows down and may change directions all due to the magnetic and electric 
fields it encounters in the glass.   The direction can be changed without 
the frequency or much intensity being being changed.  However both frequency 
and intensity can also change, particularly intensity--the amplitude of the 
light oscillating fields.   The frequency can also change significantly, 
but only in rare conditions where a Doppler shift can occur.  I can imagine 
that this could happen in a fast moving or rotating electric or magnetic 
field.

Light entering the intense magnetic field would regain its original 
characteristic upon exiting the field.  However, if your eyes were also in 
the magnetic field they would sense the changes effected by the magnetic 
field IMHO.

Bob Cook

-Original Message- 
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR reactors need magnetic confinement

In reply to  Bob Cook's message of Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:35:08 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>My thought was that a strong magnetic field may disrupt the oscillating 
>nature of the light—disturbance—as it passes through the magnetic field, 
>changing its frequency and or intensity and direction of propagation.  I 
>would assume that the magnetic field intensities would add at any instant 
>of time and space.

If this were so, then one should see distortions of the background image 
when
looking at powerful magnets. There are none AFAIK.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

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