RE: [Vo]:Blacklight Power/ Brilliant Light...Demo today

[Jones Beene]

I wish you were attending, Ron – but as everyone knows:

 

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC DEMONSTRATION – attendance is being carefully controlled. 

 

Even strong supporters of BLP have been rejected for invitations, simply 
because they are scientists.

 

Mills does not want to address the problem of having no verifiable data to 
share. 

 

This appears to be a staged production of no scientific value. It is simply 
another PR event to raise funding.

 

From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:21 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Blacklight Power/ Brilliant Light...Demo today

 

Hmmm:

http://brilliantlightpower.com/invitational-public-demonstration/

 

Ron Kita, Chiralex

Doylestown, PA  50 miles to Mills

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power/ Brilliant Light...Demo today

[Esa Ruoho]

d'you know where it is going to be held?


On 28 January 2016 at 19:20, Ron Kita  wrote:

> Hmmm:
> http://brilliantlightpower.com/invitational-public-demonstration/
>
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
> Doylestown, PA  50 miles to Mills
>



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Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power/ Brilliant Light...Demo today

[Jed Rothwell]

"Invitational public demonstration" is a contradiction of terms. If it is
invitational, it is not public.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power/ Brilliant Light...Demo today

[Ron Kita]

I hope that Bill Good is still with BLP.  Many many years ago...we had a
few telephone conversations..pleasant.
Ad astra,
Ron
the company may have been tied to ThermocoreFranklin and Marshall U.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Craig Haynie 
wrote:

> On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 09:30 -0800, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> > Mills does not want to address the problem of having no verifiable
> > data to share.
> >
> As we've seen from previous attempts, there is no such thing as
> verifiable data at a public demonstration. Everything will be
> questioned, and nothing can be verified.
>
> > This appears to be a staged production of no scientific value. It is
> > simply another PR event to raise funding.
>
> Yes, but it would still be fun to watch. I'm wondering if Mills is
> presenting a self-sustaining generator? Anything less would be
> disappointing at this stage.
>
> Craig
> Manchester, NH
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power/ Brilliant Light...Demo today

[Craig Haynie]

On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 09:30 -0800, Jones Beene wrote:

> Mills does not want to address the problem of having no verifiable
> data to share. 
> 
As we've seen from previous attempts, there is no such thing as
verifiable data at a public demonstration. Everything will be
questioned, and nothing can be verified.

> This appears to be a staged production of no scientific value. It is
> simply another PR event to raise funding.

Yes, but it would still be fun to watch. I'm wondering if Mills is
presenting a self-sustaining generator? Anything less would be
disappointing at this stage.

Craig
Manchester, NH

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Process in Terraforming Applications

[Roarty, Francis X]

Axil,  how about considering Naudts relativistic proposal for Mills shrunken 
hydrogen  wrt to the arguments against liquid metallic hydrogen [snip] This 
idea that the sun is a condensed matter object rather than a gas explains many 
of the solar mysteries that have perplexed solar science for the last two 
centuries. But what cannot be explained and what is discouraging the idea that 
he sun is a condensed matter body made up of liquid hydrogen is how that liquid 
could remain liquid under the tremendous heat and pressure that exists inside 
the sun and in its atmosphere.[/snip] My point being that the liquid pressure 
and temperature are calculated in our frame of reference and those numbers 
would be misleading if this shrunken material is significantly shrunken via 
relativistic effects.. an individual relativistic hydrogen atom would be 
unaware of time dilation, would see more local “space” and less pressure than 
we would detect from our undilated frame. Perhaps energy transitions and 
spontaneous emissions from the dilated hydrogen pile up and translate as they 
transition away from the relativistic frames back to a normal frame in the 
macro world where we can observe it. If each atom /molecule in the lattice has 
its own well the heat and pressure would not accumulate till it 
exits/translates up the well into the interstial space between.
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 9:11 PM
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Process in Terraforming Applications

Intensity-normalized, superposition of visible spectra of the SunCell plasma 
and Sun’s radiation at the Earth’s surface demonstrating that they both emit 
blackbody radiation of about 5800-6000K. From the blackbody curves, the SunCell 
plasma has the same temperature as the Sun emitting the same solar spectrum of 
light but at extraordinary power equivalent to 50,000 times the Sun’s intensity 
at the Earth’s surface. The implications are extraordinary. The SunCell plasma 
has an essentially perfect spectral match to the Sun.

As in the sun, this shows that the suncell is producing light from a metalized 
hydrogen molecule with a graphite structure.

See

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/07/lenr-is-a-fundamental-force-of-nature-axil-axil/

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 8:53 PM, <mix...@bigpond.com<mailto:mix...@bigpond.com>> 
wrote:
In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Fri, 08 Jan 2016 01:34:39 +:
Hi,

I don't think this will work. If you apply power to a wind turbine, you will
most likely just create a local vortex that redirects air into itself in a form
of "short circuit". Much as can happen to helicopters when they hover.
The result is no wide spread air current, and a lot of wasted power.

>Isn't it fun to play with numbers?
>
>http://brilliantlightpower.com/blacklight-terraforming-application/
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Process in Terraforming Applications

[Axil Axil]

Intensity-normalized, superposition of visible spectra of the SunCell
plasma and Sun’s radiation at the Earth’s surface demonstrating that they
both emit blackbody radiation of about 5800-6000K. From the blackbody
curves, the SunCell plasma has the same temperature as the Sun emitting the
same solar spectrum of light but at extraordinary power equivalent to
50,000 times the Sun’s intensity at the Earth’s surface. The implications
are extraordinary. The SunCell plasma has an essentially perfect spectral
match to the Sun.

As in the sun, this shows that the suncell is producing light from a
metalized hydrogen molecule with a graphite structure.

See

http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/07/lenr-is-a-fundamental-force-of-nature-axil-axil/

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 8:53 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Fri, 08 Jan 2016 01:34:39 +:
> Hi,
>
> I don't think this will work. If you apply power to a wind turbine, you
> will
> most likely just create a local vortex that redirects air into itself in a
> form
> of "short circuit". Much as can happen to helicopters when they hover.
> The result is no wide spread air current, and a lot of wasted power.
>
> >Isn't it fun to play with numbers?
> >
> >http://brilliantlightpower.com/blacklight-terraforming-application/
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Process in Terraforming Applications

[Jed Rothwell]

I think desalination is the answer. HOWEVER you have remove all of the
salt, or you pollute the soil. This was a concern many years ago. The water
is okay for human consumption but the salt will build up over time in the
soil.

Advanced methods may be okay. See, for example:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376738812003808

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Process in Terraforming Applications

[mixent]

In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Fri, 08 Jan 2016 01:34:39 +:
Hi,

I don't think this will work. If you apply power to a wind turbine, you will
most likely just create a local vortex that redirects air into itself in a form
of "short circuit". Much as can happen to helicopters when they hover.
The result is no wide spread air current, and a lot of wasted power.

>Isn't it fun to play with numbers?
>
>http://brilliantlightpower.com/blacklight-terraforming-application/
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity

[Lennart Thornros]

OK Axil,
I am glad you see that there is no disservice.
Maybe they do provide theoretical statements that are cockeyed. From
reading Mats Lewan's book one can at least find three reasons why.:
1. There is no patent law that protects anything without a big bag of money
to defend the patent, but a patent means publicity - good for soliciting
investors. In my eyes that is being an entrepreneur.
2. It is done to purposely mislead the competition. Another business
practice to accomplish what a patent cannot do.
3. The scientific capacity is limited (by education, by focus, by way of
looking upon the end result). It sounds to me as if Rossi rather saw it
work than figure out the actual reason it does work.
I think it is great that the theories are discussed on Vortex. However, I
rather saw a focus on positively seeking the real theory, than criticize
the admittingly  half-truth given for example by AR. He says he has a
secret third component (additional to H and Ni). As long as  he does not
reveal that his information is not worth even a comment. If this third
component has a significant impact then he cannot even vaguely provide his
theory and we should know that it is rather misleading info or
inconsequential babble.
I would not bet on DGT's explanations being much better for the same three
reason but as you I hope they are.

In Mats Lewan's book, which I will recommend as it makes sense of a lot of
the rumors I have heard the last two/ three years. He also have two
passages I full agree with and have tried to argue here. One is his
description of the attitude of an inventor. AR's response to that is just
as typical in my opinion. Secondly his warning for that it is not a
question of finding the answer to the problem either theoretically or by
experiments. Building a vessel to exploit the idea and a method to reach
the market are equally difficult but often overseen.


Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650

Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort. PJM


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 I do not think Rossi and Mills do a disservice to LENR because they raise
 money. They dishonor LENR because of the cockeyed theories that  purports
 to describe their systems. Science is put off by this theoretical farce and
 it has been for 25 years. I hope that DGT will serve the cause of LENR as a
 science, when they release their product, I hope they  release solid LENR
 research material that completely describes the correct LENR theory for the
 Ni/H reactor in detail.


 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.comwrote:

 hello all,
 I am posting my comment here but it is several treads, which I am
 commenting on.

 i think as we all are trying to promote LENR. We  are doing a lot of
 disservice to or  case by being negative to the guys who has raised the
 funds,
 i have read half the ebook about an Andrea Rossi and i think he is a true
 entrepreneur. Are there thins you might question ? Yes of course. However,
 there are no real entreprenur that has not gone through a lot of problems .
 The matter of fact is that he has rissen from a  situation most people
 cannot even grasp. My hat off for him. I hope his concept is right and that
 he succeed.
 I have very little  background about BLP. I hope , contrary to most
 comments that he is on the right track. He is as far as i know putting
 himself on the line and it will either float or sink. I wish him luck. I
 would like his background more in detail but still he is hanging in there.
 Why fight 'inhouse'.
 Let me say that I do agree with the doubt about the sciebtifical dispute
 but I see no reason for the dogmatic  attack of people. Those guys and few
 others has SOLD their concept to investors and already that is more than
 most of us can brag about.
 The discussion about how AR  handles his patents is totally guess work.
 You only have a fraction of the background.  Wait and see. Even if it could
 be handled better it cannot be done by someone with only fractional
 information.
 The long story about BLP might be indicative of something. However, I am
 sure  very few outsiders know the full story. Wait and see.
 Most of all be happy the LENR idea has a  few devoted people who has
 stuck out their head for it and convinced others to back them.

 Lennart Thornros












 /
 On Apr 3, 2014 11:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 BlackLight Power is about to be swept into the dustbin of history. In a
 year or less, a workable LENR product will be demonstrated as a
 preproduction prototype. This should cut the legs out from under  their
 investor base who have been so cruelly abused  over these many years and
 that has propped up the BLP fantasy for far too long.

 The clock is ticking, their time is 

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity

[Axil Axil]

I do not think Rossi and Mills do a disservice to LENR because they raise
money. They dishonor LENR because of the cockeyed theories that  purports
to describe their systems. Science is put off by this theoretical farce and
it has been for 25 years. I hope that DGT will serve the cause of LENR as a
science, when they release their product, I hope they  release solid LENR
research material that completely describes the correct LENR theory for the
Ni/H reactor in detail.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.comwrote:

 hello all,
 I am posting my comment here but it is several treads, which I am
 commenting on.

 i think as we all are trying to promote LENR. We  are doing a lot of
 disservice to or  case by being negative to the guys who has raised the
 funds,
 i have read half the ebook about an Andrea Rossi and i think he is a true
 entrepreneur. Are there thins you might question ? Yes of course. However,
 there are no real entreprenur that has not gone through a lot of problems .
 The matter of fact is that he has rissen from a  situation most people
 cannot even grasp. My hat off for him. I hope his concept is right and that
 he succeed.
 I have very little  background about BLP. I hope , contrary to most
 comments that he is on the right track. He is as far as i know putting
 himself on the line and it will either float or sink. I wish him luck. I
 would like his background more in detail but still he is hanging in there.
 Why fight 'inhouse'.
 Let me say that I do agree with the doubt about the sciebtifical dispute
 but I see no reason for the dogmatic  attack of people. Those guys and few
 others has SOLD their concept to investors and already that is more than
 most of us can brag about.
 The discussion about how AR  handles his patents is totally guess work.
 You only have a fraction of the background.  Wait and see. Even if it could
 be handled better it cannot be done by someone with only fractional
 information.
 The long story about BLP might be indicative of something. However, I am
 sure  very few outsiders know the full story. Wait and see.
 Most of all be happy the LENR idea has a  few devoted people who has stuck
 out their head for it and convinced others to back them.

 Lennart Thornros












 /
 On Apr 3, 2014 11:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 BlackLight Power is about to be swept into the dustbin of history. In a
 year or less, a workable LENR product will be demonstrated as a
 preproduction prototype. This should cut the legs out from under  their
 investor base who have been so cruelly abused  over these many years and
 that has propped up the BLP fantasy for far too long.

 The clock is ticking, their time is short, their fate is set, and their
 end is near. As an anathema to the quantum world, the fantasy that is the
 hydrino will be a fiction of the past and forgotten as the wondrous quantum
 causes of LENR are patently explained by serious and innovative scientific
 methods and top-notch research.

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity

[Axil Axil]

BlackLight Power is about to be swept into the dustbin of history. In a
year or less, a workable LENR product will be demonstrated as a
preproduction prototype. This should cut the legs out from under  their
investor base who have been so cruelly abused  over these many years and
that has propped up the BLP fantasy for far too long.

The clock is ticking, their time is short, their fate is set, and their end
is near. As an anathema to the quantum world, the fantasy that is the
hydrino will be a fiction of the past and forgotten as the wondrous quantum
causes of LENR are patently explained by serious and innovative scientific
methods and top-notch research.

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity Using Photovoltaic Conversion of the Millions of Watts of Brilliant Plasma Formed by the Reaction of Water to a More Stabl

[Daniel Rocha]

1 billion watts for how long? 1 picosecond :P?


2014-04-04 8:16 GMT-03:00 Mark Jurich jur...@hotmail.com:

   Here we go, again:


 http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140403006389/en/BlackLight-Power-Announces-Sustained-Production-Electricity-Photovoltaic




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity Using Photovoltaic Conversion of the Millions of Watts of Brilliant Plasma Formed by the Reaction of Water to a More Stabl

[James Bowery]

Same old incommensurability
noisehttps://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg89595.html
.

Gads this stuff is disgusting.


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:

 1 billion watts for how long? 1 picosecond :P?


 2014-04-04 8:16 GMT-03:00 Mark Jurich jur...@hotmail.com:

   Here we go, again:


 http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140403006389/en/BlackLight-Power-Announces-Sustained-Production-Electricity-Photovoltaic




 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity

[Lennart Thornros]

hello all,
I am posting my comment here but it is several treads, which I am
commenting on.

i think as we all are trying to promote LENR. We  are doing a lot of
disservice to or  case by being negative to the guys who has raised the
funds,
i have read half the ebook about an Andrea Rossi and i think he is a true
entrepreneur. Are there thins you might question ? Yes of course. However,
there are no real entreprenur that has not gone through a lot of problems .
The matter of fact is that he has rissen from a  situation most people
cannot even grasp. My hat off for him. I hope his concept is right and that
he succeed.
I have very little  background about BLP. I hope , contrary to most
comments that he is on the right track. He is as far as i know putting
himself on the line and it will either float or sink. I wish him luck. I
would like his background more in detail but still he is hanging in there.
Why fight 'inhouse'.
Let me say that I do agree with the doubt about the sciebtifical dispute
but I see no reason for the dogmatic  attack of people. Those guys and few
others has SOLD their concept to investors and already that is more than
most of us can brag about.
The discussion about how AR  handles his patents is totally guess work. You
only have a fraction of the background.  Wait and see. Even if it could be
handled better it cannot be done by someone with only fractional
information.
The long story about BLP might be indicative of something. However, I am
sure  very few outsiders know the full story. Wait and see.
Most of all be happy the LENR idea has a  few devoted people who has stuck
out their head for it and convinced others to back them.

Lennart Thornros












/
On Apr 3, 2014 11:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 BlackLight Power is about to be swept into the dustbin of history. In a
 year or less, a workable LENR product will be demonstrated as a
 preproduction prototype. This should cut the legs out from under  their
 investor base who have been so cruelly abused  over these many years and
 that has propped up the BLP fantasy for far too long.

 The clock is ticking, their time is short, their fate is set, and their
 end is near. As an anathema to the quantum world, the fantasy that is the
 hydrino will be a fiction of the past and forgotten as the wondrous quantum
 causes of LENR are patently explained by serious and innovative scientific
 methods and top-notch research.

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity Using Photovoltaic Conversion of the Millions of Watts of Brilliant Plasma Formed by the Reaction of Water to a More Stabl

[Jed Rothwell]

Mark Jurich jur...@hotmail.com wrote:


 Here we go, again:


Well said! It is kind of hilarious.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity Using Photovoltaic Conversion of the Millions of Watts of Brilliant Plasma Formed by the Reaction of Water to a More Stabl

[Kevin O'Malley]

Blacklight lost the limelight to Rossi.  Now it remains to be seen if Rossi
deserved the limelight.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mark Jurich jur...@hotmail.com wrote:


 Here we go, again:


 Well said! It is kind of hilarious.

 - Jed

RE: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Sustained Production of Electricity

[Jones Beene]

LOL. This stuff should have come out on April 1. 

 

A small photovoltaic panel converting millions of watts of light from a seam
welder ? That's hilarious. Whether Rossi has the stolen the limelight or
not, this is about the most absurd BS on the planet. It looks like an act of
total desperation. or else April 1 humor.

 

Even by the standards of New Jersey corruption, if Mills is serious - this
conduct is so egregious and the claims are so preposterous - in light of the
investment money he has raised, that RM is risking the same kind of FBI raid
and closure that happened to one of the Papp Engine promoters. What level of
assurance of gain did Rohner make that Mills has not made? There seems to be
a pretty good correlation in the conduct of the two. 

 

All it takes is one disgruntled investor.

 

http://www.blacklightpower.com/pv_princeton-video/

 

 

From: Kevin O'Malley 

 

Blacklight lost the limelight to Rossi.  Now it remains to be seen if Rossi
deserved the limelight.

 

Mark Jurich wrote:

 

Here we go, again:

 

Jed Rothwell wrote:

 

Well said! It is kind of hilarious.

 

 

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight

[a.ashfield]

Jones Beene 
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Jones+Beene%22 
Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:17:06 -0800 
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140128


/Any News you get will only happen through BLP itself or by way of a preapproved
journalist who got the News direct from BLP and had the story cleared./

/All attendees were required to sign an NDA in which they agreed not to mention
anything whatsoever about the proceedings to others, nor even to admit that
they attended. It is almost Nazi-esque.

Mills will make a video and a News Release to suggest that the demo was a
glowing success - when in fact it could have been closer to a joke, in terms of
real science and accurate results. Dissent will not be permitted.

That last comment is of course an opinion, but at least there is no way than
anyone knowledgeable can argue with it - or otherwise they will have violated
the NDA :)


/It looks like you were wrong.  Here is a report from an attendee./

/

...So, about the demo. There were about 65 to 70 people present. There 
was no opportunity for a meet and greet. I did not know most of the 
attendees, but there were representatives from chemical and engineering 
firms present as well as OEMs and major investment banks. I am not sure 
of the extent of media present.  There were no TV cameras, but there was 
a video being taken. Many people were taking notes, but I don't think 
there was a lot of mainstream media there. I think the presentation was 
geared more towards developing interest among potential licensees and 
partners rather than media. Media will come in time.
Randy stated that the SF-CIHT results have been validated by four 
outside groups, but only one spoke at the meeting. That validator was 
from Rowan University so I am sure that many of the critics will dismiss 
his comments out of hand. Whatever. I tend to believe people who 
actually view the experiments and study the results rather than simply 
post negative comments on the Internet. The validator unequivocally 
confirmed the reported results from the newly developed SF-CIHT cell and 
stated it was a game changer. I thought one interesting moment was 
when the validator was asked whether he believed in hydrinos. His answer 
was something to the effect that this wasn't a matter of belief, but 
about experimental results and that he was confident in the results.
The demonstrations were instantaneous bursts with input and output 
measured by established commercial devices including waterbath 
calorimetry. Continuous operation was not demonstrated so skeptics will 
likely be dismissive of the results. Randy spent some time explaining 
plans for achieving continuous operation. While there are some 
engineering issues ahead, the energy outputs are so astounding that 
there should be multiple ways to make useful devices.
While I have seen some comments that BLP rushed this demo because of 
recent developments relating to Rossi, such commenters obviously don't 
know Randy. Randy is going to do things on his time and nobody else's. 
He is not concerned with Rossi and, from second hand reports I have 
heard, BLP does not view Rossi as competition because they do not think 
his experiments are professionally done and do not believe that he is 
accurately measuring energy input and output.
My overall impression is that this demo was put together because, after 
many years of slow but steady progress, Blacklight has made recent, 
dramatic improvements in the energy densities. I think Randy believes 
the results are unassailable and irrefutable. My sense is that yesterday 
was the first step in what will be an evolving, more visible presence 
for Blacklight as they continue to advance the technology.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/report-from-the-blacklight-power-demonstration/

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Jones Beene]

From: a.ashfield 

It looks like you were wrong.  Here is a report from an
attendee.

I may be wrong, but the evidence for that is not apparent yet.

[snip] That validator was from Rowan University so I am sure
that many of the critics will dismiss his comments out of hand. 

Could that be because Mills has funded Rowan to the tune of several hundred
thousand dollars over the years, to perform this work - and it turns out
that Janssen is Mills' personal friend ? 

Since when are funded validations considered independent? 

Whatever. I tend to believe people who actually view the
experiments and study the results rather than simply post negative comments
on the Internet The demonstrations were instantaneous bursts with input
and output measured by established commercial devices including waterbath
calorimetry. Continuous operation was not demonstrated so skeptics will
likely be dismissive of the results. 

Ya' think ? Well they should dismiss this kind of meaningless result. It's
very easy to mislead without continuous operation. Mills is at least two
years behind Rossi who has shown tens of kW of continuous operation last
year.

Randy spent some time explaining plans for achieving
continuous operation. 

And who can believe that explanation, given the track record? Did he explain
how well those five Utility companies in New Mexico are doing with their
fabulous solid fuel reactors which they licensed several years back and
which is no longer being mentioned? Same kind of hoopla back then.

While there are some engineering issues ahead, the energy
outputs are so astounding that there should be multiple ways to make useful
devices.

Like the Papp popper. Yawn. How much has really changed with Mills since
he failed to deliver on the Capstone Turbine? Not much.

This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of
investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those investors in
BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after all the
years of one disappointment after another.

Sorry, nothing new here.


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RE: [Vo]:Blacklight

[a.ashfield]

Jones Beene wrote.

This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of
investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those investors in
BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after all the
years of one disappointment after another.

I think it might be wiser to wait until after seeing the video.  If the excess 
heat is as high as Mills
 claims it shouldn't be too difficult to demonstrate it.

Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[James Bowery]

The press release number was power, not energy.  That's nonsense --
particularly if you are going to demonstrate a pulse.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:16 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:

 Jones Beene wrote.


 This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of
 investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those investors in
 BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after all
 the
 years of one disappointment after another.

 I think it might be wiser to wait until after seeing the video.  If the
 excess heat is as high as Mills
  claims it shouldn't be too difficult to demonstrate it.

 Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Axil Axil]

Papp ripped apart a 5/8 inch stainless steel pipe and dug a 3 foot crater
in the desert hardpan with a water based arc initiated power pulse. That is
a powerful world class pulse done about 50 years ago.

IMHO, this is the best reaction out there. But the point is... can Mills
turn a water vapor explosion into a product and can it be patent protected?


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 The press release number was power, not energy.  That's nonsense --
 particularly if you are going to demonstrate a pulse.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:16 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.netwrote:

 Jones Beene wrote.


 This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of
 investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those investors in
 BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after all
 the
 years of one disappointment after another.

 I think it might be wiser to wait until after seeing the video.  If the
 excess heat is as high as Mills
  claims it shouldn't be too difficult to demonstrate it.

 Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
 The press release number was power, not energy.  That's nonsense --
 particularly if you are going to demonstrate a pulse.

Many a pulse power device has appeared to be an ou energy generator
proving the Feynman Conjecture that the easiest person to fool is
yourself.

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Axil Axil]

When Feynman gave a lecture in Switzerland in 1965 he spotted
Stückelberg after the lecture leaving quietly from the back. Pointing to
Stückelberg, Feynman remarked He did the work and walks alone toward the
sunset; and, here I am, covered in all the glory, which rightfully should
be his!

At least Feynman got Stückelberg's QED theory into the mainstreams, just
like Higgs got Stückelberg's mass theory accepted. These guys fooled you
not themselves.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
  The press release number was power, not energy.  That's nonsense --
  particularly if you are going to demonstrate a pulse.

 Many a pulse power device has appeared to be an ou energy generator
 proving the Feynman Conjecture that the easiest person to fool is
 yourself.

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[James Bowery]

Wrong demo.  Papp demonstrated over 100 HP _continuous_ with a dynamometer
when he wanted to demonstrate energy.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Papp ripped apart a 5/8 inch stainless steel pipe and dug a 3 foot crater
 in the desert hardpan with a water based arc initiated power pulse. That is
 a powerful world class pulse done about 50 years ago.

 IMHO, this is the best reaction out there. But the point is... can Mills
 turn a water vapor explosion into a product and can it be patent protected?


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 The press release number was power, not energy.  That's nonsense --
 particularly if you are going to demonstrate a pulse.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:16 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.netwrote:

 Jones Beene wrote.


 This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of
 investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those investors
 in
 BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after all
 the
 years of one disappointment after another.

 I think it might be wiser to wait until after seeing the video.  If the
 excess heat is as high as Mills
  claims it shouldn't be too difficult to demonstrate it.

 Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Jed Rothwell]

This E-cat World report is vague.

Since there was no NDA, why didn't this person write a concrete description
of the equipment and instruments? The only technical specific is that they
used waterbath calorimetry. I don't know what that means. I guess it
means static or bomb calorimetry, rather than flow calorimetry. Tell us how
big the device was, how heavy, how much power and energy went in, and how
much came out.

Like this, if I do say so myself:

http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=643

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[James Bowery]

If they used bomb calorimetry and had an easily quantifiable energy source,
like a capacitor bank, for their pulse, then their demo might be good.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 This E-cat World report is vague.

 Since there was no NDA, why didn't this person write a concrete
 description of the equipment and instruments? The only technical specific
 is that they used waterbath calorimetry. I don't know what that means. I
 guess it means static or bomb calorimetry, rather than flow calorimetry.
 Tell us how big the device was, how heavy, how much power and energy went
 in, and how much came out.

 Like this, if I do say so myself:

 http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=643

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Axil Axil]

They used as 12,000 amp welder.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 If they used bomb calorimetry and had an easily quantifiable energy
 source, like a capacitor bank, for their pulse, then their demo might be
 good.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:

 This E-cat World report is vague.

 Since there was no NDA, why didn't this person write a concrete
 description of the equipment and instruments? The only technical specific
 is that they used waterbath calorimetry. I don't know what that means. I
 guess it means static or bomb calorimetry, rather than flow calorimetry.
 Tell us how big the device was, how heavy, how much power and energy went
 in, and how much came out.

 Like this, if I do say so myself:

 http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=643

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Axil Axil]

Mills is a long, long way from that capability. He is only at the blast
stage.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:05 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wrong demo.  Papp demonstrated over 100 HP _continuous_ with a dynamometer
 when he wanted to demonstrate energy.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Papp ripped apart a 5/8 inch stainless steel pipe and dug a 3 foot crater
 in the desert hardpan with a water based arc initiated power pulse. That is
 a powerful world class pulse done about 50 years ago.

 IMHO, this is the best reaction out there. But the point is... can Mills
 turn a water vapor explosion into a product and can it be patent protected?


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 The press release number was power, not energy.  That's nonsense --
 particularly if you are going to demonstrate a pulse.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:16 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.netwrote:

 Jones Beene wrote.


 This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of
 investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those investors
 in
 BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after
 all the
 years of one disappointment after another.

 I think it might be wiser to wait until after seeing the video.  If the
 excess heat is as high as Mills
  claims it shouldn't be too difficult to demonstrate it.

 Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
 They used as 12,000 amp welder.

You're joking, right?  These people who criticized Rossi's crude
measurement techniques resorted to a commercial welder for a current
source.

If you're joking, it's funny.
If not, it's hilarious.

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[James Bowery]

It's ok that he's not at Papp's stage, but he should act like it when he's
giving a demo, and that means using measurement techniques appropriate to a
single pulse which, as I already pointed out, would be a bomb calorimeter
and capacitor bank.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mills is a long, long way from that capability. He is only at the blast
 stage.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:05 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wrong demo.  Papp demonstrated over 100 HP _continuous_ with a
 dynamometer when he wanted to demonstrate energy.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Papp ripped apart a 5/8 inch stainless steel pipe and dug a 3 foot
 crater in the desert hardpan with a water based arc initiated power pulse.
 That is a powerful world class pulse done about 50 years ago.

 IMHO, this is the best reaction out there. But the point is... can Mills
 turn a water vapor explosion into a product and can it be patent protected?


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.comwrote:

 The press release number was power, not energy.  That's nonsense --
 particularly if you are going to demonstrate a pulse.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:16 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.netwrote:

 Jones Beene wrote.


 This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of
 investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those
 investors in
 BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after
 all the
 years of one disappointment after another.

 I think it might be wiser to wait until after seeing the video.  If
 the excess heat is as high as Mills
  claims it shouldn't be too difficult to demonstrate it.

 Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Axil Axil]

http://pesn.com/2014/01/20/9602425_Randell-Mills_explains_upcoming-Blacklight-power-demo/


The 10 MW device they are building is actually smaller than a square foot.
It's just 9 inches on each side. They're buying a 10,000-amp commercial
seam welder to apply to the prototype (where the water is turned to
plasma--electricity).


I never joke.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
  They used as 12,000 amp welder.

 You're joking, right?  These people who criticized Rossi's crude
 measurement techniques resorted to a commercial welder for a current
 source.

 If you're joking, it's funny.
 If not, it's hilarious.

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[James Bowery]

Let's adorn their incommensurable dimensions with some dimensioend
quantities that bring them a step closer to commensurability.  Here are
some dimensioned of a 10,000AMP welding rig:

*Voltage*
If current is the amount of electricity flowing, then Voltage (measured in
Volts) is
the pressure or force that's causing the flow. A good analogy is water
flowing
through a pipe. A larger voltage will result in greater water pressure,
which will
cause more water (current) to flow through the pipe. Using the transformer
example above, after the 200 Amps at 500 Volts on the primary passes
through
the transformer coils, the secondary amperage increases to 10,000 Amps, but
the voltage actually drops to 10 Volts. This decrease in voltage occurs
because
the amount of power coming out of a transformer isn't actually increased,
but
more accurately exchanged.

*Power*
Power is Voltage multiplied by Current, and is measured in Watts, or KVA
(KVA
stands for Kilo-Volt-Amperes. Watts and KVA will be used interchangeably in
this
text). This means that the amount of current flowing times the pressure
that's
causing it to flow equals the amount of power generated. A basic law to
bear in
mind is that the power going into a transformer will always equal the power
coming out of it. Returning to the transformer example, 200 Amps coming in
at
500 Volts (200 x 500 = 100,000 KVA) on the primary with a 50 to 1 turns
ratio in
the transformer will be converted into 10,000 Amps at 10 Volts (10,000 x 10
=
100,000 KVA) going out. As the math illustrates, the results are the same.
The
initial and final amperage and voltage may be different, but because the
ratio is
the same, the total amount of power is also the same.


http://www.livco.com/UMchapter1.pdf

Correcting their units from KVA to VA (yes, livco.com did make an
arithmetic error) we have 100kW power consumed by a 10,000AMP welding rig.

OK, so we have two quantities now that are commensurable:  10MW and 100kW
or 1e7W and 1e5W for a factor of 100 gain IFF the duration of the input and
output are the same.

Are they?

Keep in mind a 10ms pulse at 10MW has the same energy content as a 1s pulse
at 100kW.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://pesn.com/2014/01/20/9602425_Randell-Mills_explains_upcoming-Blacklight-power-demo/


 The 10 MW device they are building is actually smaller than a square foot.
 It's just 9 inches on each side. They're buying a 10,000-amp commercial
 seam welder to apply to the prototype (where the water is turned to
 plasma--electricity).


 I never joke.


 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
  They used as 12,000 amp welder.

 You're joking, right?  These people who criticized Rossi's crude
 measurement techniques resorted to a commercial welder for a current
 source.

 If you're joking, it's funny.
 If not, it's hilarious.

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[ChemE Stewart]

They were able to achieve 5 x funding target output. :)

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014, Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone have any contact, or information, from someone at the
 demonstration? If so, is there any news?

 Craig

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Jones Beene]

Any News you get will only happen through BLP itself or by way of a preapproved 
journalist who got the News direct from BLP and had the story cleared.

All attendees were required to sign an NDA in which they agreed not to mention 
anything whatsoever about the proceedings to others, nor even to admit that 
they attended. It is almost Nazi-esque.

Mills will make a video and a News Release to suggest that the demo was a 
glowing success - when in fact it could have been closer to a joke, in terms of 
real science and accurate results. Dissent will not be permitted.

That last comment is of course an opinion, but at least there is no way than 
anyone knowledgeable can argue with it - or otherwise they will have violated 
the NDA :)

-Original Message-
From: Craig 

Does anyone have any contact, or information, from someone at the 
demonstration? If so, is there any news?

Craig

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[MarkI-Zeropoint]

SO the 'demo' was really a 'dog-n-pony' show for the investors.

A target output of 'x' was set by the investors, and BLP achieved 5x, so 
I guess that means they get the next round of financing!  Ahhh, life in 
a startup!


I hope the investors made sure that the dog and pony were real, and 
realtime...

;-)
-mark iverson

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:05 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:

 They were able to achieve 5 x funding target  output. :)

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014, Craig  cchayniepub...@gmail.com 
javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('cchayniepub...@gmail.com') 

wrote:
Does anyone have any contact, or information, from someone at the 
demonstration? If so, is there any news?


Craig

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[Terry Blanton]

Comments from some of those present:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/blacklight-power-jan-28th-demo-thread/

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[MarkI-Zeropoint]

the comments quickly degraded into a climate change debate, however, 
there was this one that kind of stuck out above the chatter...

--
O' dear have our poor scientists got it all wrong AGAIN.
Hot Fusion, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
Global warming, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
NASA, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.

Cold Fusion, nothing spent = turns out to be World changing technology
--

For the most part, that pretty much sums it up.  However, scientists are 
still human and those who reach higher positions are also good at the 
politics, so they are not what I would call a 'true' scientist...


-mark iverson

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight

[ChemE Stewart]

Wait till the people figure out they are also destroying all of nature with
microwave doppler radars.  Pretty f}%^^ up.  I say hang them all! :)

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014, MarkI-Zeropoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

 the comments quickly degraded into a climate change debate, however, there
 was this one that kind of stuck out above the chatter...
 --
 O' dear have our poor scientists got it all wrong AGAIN.
 Hot Fusion, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
 Global warming, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.
 NASA, billions spent = turns out to be rubbish.

 Cold Fusion, nothing spent = turns out to be World changing technology
 --

 For the most part, that pretty much sums it up.  However, scientists are
 still human and those who reach higher positions are also good at the
 politics, so they are not what I would call a 'true' scientist...

 -mark iverson

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight...

[Roarty, Francis X]

Robin,
I agree most of LENR is mediated by the same force responsible for 
hydrinos  but I would disagree that hydrinos are the mediating force,
In Jan Naudt's relativistic interpretation of Mill's hydrino only the hydrogen 
being ejected from the corona has a near enough velocity to C to equate to 
significantly fractional hydrogen [hydrino]... Or as I infer from his paper, 
occurs in a stationary catalyst/nano powder which exposes a gas to Casimir 
geometry for it to also become relativistic [equivalence]. In both cases it 
remains just hydrogen from the perspective of a tiny local observer in the same 
inertial frame as the hydrogen Like the dilation experienced by an object 
approaching C, I am convinced that hydrogen confined inside a nickel lattice 
with Casimir geometry also becomes dilated, it perceives the outside world as 
having a ratio of V^2/C^2 equivalent to the ratio seen by a near luminal object 
just like the hydrogen being ejected from the corona. The confined gas requires 
suppression of C^2 instead of increasing V^2 to modify the dilation ratio, a 
sort of negative perspective from the nominal baseline where we tend to think 
of open space and lack of any spatial velocity as the zero point for 
relativistic consideration.. I am positing that Casimir geometry suppresses C 
instead of compressing V... making V^2/C^2 suddenly a dynamic value slewing 
wildly with the slightest motion of gas relative to Casimir geometry but in a 
negative direction lower than that zero point we normally self impose. It is 
the tiny observer inside the cavity that perceives us outside the cavity as 
slowing down in time in the same way we perceive the near C object as slowing 
down.[or from our perspective reactions inside the cavity are accelerated by 
these rapid changes in dilation factor]
Regards
Fran



-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:12 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Blacklight...

In reply to  Alain Sepeda's message of Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:03:10 +0100:
Hi,

IMO, Mills is not LENR. It is what he says it is. Hydrinos. However I suspect
that most of LENR is mediated by Hydrinos too ;)


Hi, I hijack a little that thread to ask you all, what are your various
opinion on their claimed technology of LENR to electricity direct
conversion (CIHT).

I don't see any other paper or lab results that are similar.
Anomalous heat, transmutation, and radiations are quite validated , but
device producing electricity are not yet seen...

The claim of validation are quite individual reports of quick testing...

what are your opinions.

tnaks in advance for your informations and opinions.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight...

[mixent]

In reply to  Roarty, Francis X's message of Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:34:37 +:
Hi Fran,

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree. ;)

Robin,
   I agree most of LENR is mediated by the same force responsible for 
 hydrinos  but I would disagree that hydrinos are the mediating force,
In Jan Naudt's relativistic interpretation of Mill's hydrino only the hydrogen 
being ejected from the corona has a near enough velocity to C to equate to 
significantly fractional hydrogen [hydrino]... Or as I infer from his paper, 
occurs in a stationary catalyst/nano powder which exposes a gas to Casimir 
geometry for it to also become relativistic [equivalence]. In both cases it 
remains just hydrogen from the perspective of a tiny local observer in the 
same inertial frame as the hydrogen Like the dilation experienced by an 
object approaching C, I am convinced that hydrogen confined inside a nickel 
lattice with Casimir geometry also becomes dilated, it perceives the outside 
world as having a ratio of V^2/C^2 equivalent to the ratio seen by a near 
luminal object just like the hydrogen being ejected from the corona. The 
confined gas requires suppression of C^2 instead of increasing V^2 to modify 
the dilation ratio, a sort of negative perspective from the nominal baseline 
where we
tend to think of open space and lack of any spatial velocity as the zero 
point for relativistic consideration.. I am positing that Casimir geometry 
suppresses C instead of compressing V... making V^2/C^2 suddenly a dynamic 
value slewing wildly with the slightest motion of gas relative to Casimir 
geometry but in a negative direction lower than that zero point we normally 
self impose. It is the tiny observer inside the cavity that perceives us 
outside the cavity as slowing down in time in the same way we perceive the 
near C object as slowing down.[or from our perspective reactions inside the 
cavity are accelerated by these rapid changes in dilation factor]
Regards
Fran



-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:12 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Blacklight...

In reply to  Alain Sepeda's message of Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:03:10 +0100:
Hi,

IMO, Mills is not LENR. It is what he says it is. Hydrinos. However I suspect
that most of LENR is mediated by Hydrinos too ;)


Hi, I hijack a little that thread to ask you all, what are your various
opinion on their claimed technology of LENR to electricity direct
conversion (CIHT).

I don't see any other paper or lab results that are similar.
Anomalous heat, transmutation, and radiations are quite validated , but
device producing electricity are not yet seen...

The claim of validation are quite individual reports of quick testing...

what are your opinions.

tnaks in advance for your informations and opinions.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight...

[Jed Rothwell]

Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mills:

 We will announce some substantial developments at some point.


How informative!

Things would be so different, if they were not as they are.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight...

[Alain Sepeda]

Hi, I hijack a little that thread to ask you all, what are your various
opinion on their claimed technology of LENR to electricity direct
conversion (CIHT).

I don't see any other paper or lab results that are similar.
Anomalous heat, transmutation, and radiations are quite validated , but
device producing electricity are not yet seen...

The claim of validation are quite individual reports of quick testing...

what are your opinions.

tnaks in advance for your informations and opinions.


2012/12/11 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:

  Mills:

 We will announce some substantial developments at some point.


 How informative!

 Things would be so different, if they were not as they are.

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight...

[mixent]

In reply to  Alain Sepeda's message of Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:03:10 +0100:
Hi,

IMO, Mills is not LENR. It is what he says it is. Hydrinos. However I suspect
that most of LENR is mediated by Hydrinos too ;)


Hi, I hijack a little that thread to ask you all, what are your various
opinion on their claimed technology of LENR to electricity direct
conversion (CIHT).

I don't see any other paper or lab results that are similar.
Anomalous heat, transmutation, and radiations are quite validated , but
device producing electricity are not yet seen...

The claim of validation are quite individual reports of quick testing...

what are your opinions.

tnaks in advance for your informations and opinions.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power

[Jeff Driscoll]

 

 below is a partial transcript of Shelby Brewer speaking at some presentation:

 http://seekingalpha.com/article/27312-commodore-applied-technologies-red-chip-conference-presentation-transcript

  The technology side, we have a process called Solvated Electron
 Technology and it's very, very unique. Basically and technically what
 happens is as we mix anhydrous ammonia with elemental sodium, the
 electrons come off the sodium.
 So you have a sea of electrons. You then put the toxic material PCBs,
 Furans, whatever it is in the solution and press all, the chemical
 formed, the toxic materials change to something benign. It operates at
 room temperature. ...
 ==


I'm trying to imply that the PCB's and toxic waste services that
Commodore Applied Technologies engages in is mostly a side business.
They mainly bought the company to get the expertise in handling large
quantities of liquid Sodium so they could experiment with Randell
Mills's theory.

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces First Commercial License in Europe

[Jed Rothwell]

They are starting to play in the big leagues. Quoting the press release:


Cranbury, NJ (March 23, 2010)­BlackLight Power, 
Inc. (BLP) today announced its seventh commercial 
license agreement, and first in Europe with 
GEOENERGIE SpA, Energy Subsidiary of 
Geogreen.  In a non-exclusive agreement, BLP has 
licensed GEOENERGIE SpA to use the BlackLight 
Process and certain BLP energy technology for the 
production of thermal or electric power in 
Italy.  GEOENERGIE SpA may produce gross thermal 
power up to a maximum continuous capacity of 750 
MW or convert this thermal power to corresponding electricity.


About Geogreen

Geogreen is an Italian company founded in 2000 as 
RadiciGroup's sole energy provider. . . .


With consolidated sales of EUR 957 million, 
RadiciGroup is one of the most active Italian 
chemical companies at an international level. . . .



- Jed

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces First Commercial License in Europe

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

Any hints as to what, if anything, the license cost?

So far there's been no clear indication that any power company has
actually *bought* a license from BLP, as far as I know.  (I'll be happy
to be corrected on this.)


On 04/01/2010 10:54 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
 They are starting to play in the big leagues. Quoting the press release:
 
 
 Cranbury, NJ (March 23, 2010)­BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) today
 announced its seventh commercial license agreement, and first in Europe
 with GEOENERGIE SpA, Energy Subsidiary of Geogreen.  In a non-exclusive
 agreement, BLP has licensed GEOENERGIE SpA to use the BlackLight Process
 and certain BLP energy technology for the production of thermal or
 electric power in Italy.  GEOENERGIE SpA may produce gross thermal power
 up to a maximum continuous capacity of 750 MW or convert this thermal
 power to corresponding electricity.
 
 About Geogreen
 
 Geogreen is an Italian company founded in 2000 as RadiciGroup's sole
 energy provider. . . .
 
 With consolidated sales of EUR 957 million, RadiciGroup is one of the
 most active Italian chemical companies at an international level. . . .
 
 
 - Jed
 
 

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces First Commercial License in Europe

[Terry Blanton]

Agreements like these (unproved technology) generally involve a low up
front licensing fee with a significant per unit royalty.  I would
guess it to be something like Tesla's agreement with Westinghouse.

If it was truly free and you can sell a 10 kilowatt hours for a buck,
it would not be unreasonable to ask for twenty cents.  Of course it's
not truly free.

T

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
 Any hints as to what, if anything, the license cost?

 So far there's been no clear indication that any power company has
 actually *bought* a license from BLP, as far as I know.  (I'll be happy
 to be corrected on this.)


 On 04/01/2010 10:54 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
 They are starting to play in the big leagues. Quoting the press release:


 Cranbury, NJ (March 23, 2010)­BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) today
 announced its seventh commercial license agreement, and first in Europe
 with GEOENERGIE SpA, Energy Subsidiary of Geogreen.  In a non-exclusive
 agreement, BLP has licensed GEOENERGIE SpA to use the BlackLight Process
 and certain BLP energy technology for the production of thermal or
 electric power in Italy.  GEOENERGIE SpA may produce gross thermal power
 up to a maximum continuous capacity of 750 MW or convert this thermal
 power to corresponding electricity.

 About Geogreen

 Geogreen is an Italian company founded in 2000 as RadiciGroup's sole
 energy provider. . . .

 With consolidated sales of EUR 957 million, RadiciGroup is one of the
 most active Italian chemical companies at an international level. . . .


 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces First Commercial License in Europe

[Abd ul-Rahman Lomax]

At 10:49 AM 4/1/2010, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:

FYI:

I'm surprised Mr. Carrell has not yet alerted us to a recent
BlackLight Power announcement:

BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces First [seventh over-all] Commercial
License in Europe with GEOENERGIE SpA, Energy Subsidiary of Geogreen
Non-Exclusive License to produce up to 750 MW of continuous power


I'm a little tired of press releases that imply what may not be true. 
A license may not indicate anything other than a judgment by the 
company obtaining it that it's worth the trouble, and maybe a little 
money, to place a bet on the technology. The value of the license 
would depend on what they actually paid for it, if anything. A 
license would not indicate that they were close to an operating 
reactor, at all.


Obviously, I don't know, but from the press release I could not rule 
out that Blacklight approached Geoenergie SpA and said, here is a 
license, we will sell you for $1 (hands $1 to the Geoenergie SpA 
rep), all we want is to be able to announce the license, and, you 
will see, the license conditions will basically give your company 
very cheap power compared to what you are paying now. You can't lose. 
The rep signs the agreement, having been authorized, and gives the $1 
back and enjoys the rest of the dinner courtesy of Blacklight Power, 
which now can wave more evidence of their momentum.


If pressured, Geoenergie points out that the license conditions were 
very favorable and there was no risk at all of loss, and some 
possibility, however remote, of much gain.


BlackLight has been implying that an operational demonstration 
reactor that could be tested widely, or even purchased, is just 
around the corner. Well, I'm tired of hanging around the corner. When 
can we peek around it?


By no means do I think the endgame is over, BlackLight is not under 
any legal obligation to disclose anything to us, and, personally, I'm 
more interested in the implications for science of hydrino theory, 
but not terribly interested, simply because I can't take on too much 
at once. I can see the signs of pathological rejection of hydrino 
theory, but that proves nothing. Sometimes pathological skeptics 
reject stuff that is Actually Bogus. 

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[mixent]

In reply to  OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Sun, 30 Aug 2009
20:14:29 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
My guess is that if you click on the dot out of curiosity you get infected.


Just a curiosity.

I have one of my google news alerts set for Blacklight Power. Several days
ago I started getting the same annoying web site displaying nothing more
than a red dot telling me not to press the red button. It was amusing the
first time I played along. But after getting the exact same web site the
third straight time - once every day so far, I'm beginning to wonder what
the hell is behind this.

BTW, the URL keeps changing. I'm really suspicious. Someone is playing a
game here. Here is a list of Google Blacklight Power web sites all
pointing to the same red dot:

http://mounta.kuigikioni.myftpsite.net/index.html
http://faceb.klufjurnale.myftpsite.net/ghoma.html
http://usa-volks.joxxef7.myftpsite.net/apourm.html

Any thoughts as to who or what is behind this?

Regards

Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[John Berry]

Infected by the virus of the mind that makes you press the button again and
again...

Except for blowing the world up it's harmless...

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Sun, 30 Aug
 2009
 20:14:29 -0500:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 My guess is that if you click on the dot out of curiosity you get infected.


 Just a curiosity.
 
 I have one of my google news alerts set for Blacklight Power. Several
 days
 ago I started getting the same annoying web site displaying nothing more
 than a red dot telling me not to press the red button. It was amusing the
 first time I played along. But after getting the exact same web site the
 third straight time - once every day so far, I'm beginning to wonder what
 the hell is behind this.
 
 BTW, the URL keeps changing. I'm really suspicious. Someone is playing a
 game here. Here is a list of Google Blacklight Power web sites all
 pointing to the same red dot:
 
 http://mounta.kuigikioni.myftpsite.net/index.html
 http://faceb.klufjurnale.myftpsite.net/ghoma.html
 http://usa-volks.joxxef7.myftpsite.net/apourm.html
 
 Any thoughts as to who or what is behind this?
 
 Regards
 
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 www.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks
 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
 In reply to  OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Sun, 30 Aug 2009
 20:14:29 -0500:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 My guess is that if you click on the dot out of curiosity you get infected.
   

Doubt it (but I'm not going to try it!).  Rather, it looks like it plays
a movie if you click the dot; probably an ad of some sort.  Here's the
source:

 center
 /center
 centera href=/index.html SKIP /a/center
 center
 object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354

 codebase=http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,29,0;
 width=550 height=400
 param name=movie value=/images/redbutton.swf
 param name=quality value=high
 param name=menu value=false 
 param name=swStretchStyle value=fill
 embed swStretchStyle=fill
  src=/images/redbutton.swf
  quality=high
  pluginspage=http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer;
  type=application/x-shockwave-flash
  width=550 height=400/embed
 /object
 /center


I've never heard of an infectious Flash file so I don't think it's
actually dangerous.

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[Craig Haynie]

 I've never heard of an infectious Flash file so I don't think it's
 actually dangerous.

 I clicked the dot about 1000 times. It's a funny little program. If my
computer became infected, it's not obvious.

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

FYI,

I think most who have commented on this issue have missed a specific point,
no pun intended. Why are there different URL sites all sporting the same red
dot function? None of my other google alerts appear infected.

This is specific.  Only in regards to Google news alerts concerning
Blacklight Power.

My Virus scanning software is up to date. It detected no infections. I just
performed another virus scan. No infections detected. I do not think the
virus s/w is itself infected.

Nothing else on my PC behaves as if it's is infected or out of my control.

Does anyone else have a google alert for Blacklight Power? What have they
gotten for the past several days concerning BLP?

I assume they have not gotten it... or have they gotten it as well?

Regards

Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

I googled press the red button.

All sorts of hits came up - most pointing to the same annoying red button
app.

It appears to be a harmless app.

Here are some Googled searched comments:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=9644
http://www.mostfungames.com/do-not-press-the-red-button.htm
http://www.arcadecabin.com/play/the_big_red_button.html
http://www.changar.com/archives/redbutton.html


It's still annoying.

What I don't understand is that it seems to have hijacked my google news
inquiries into Blacklight power. That's what concerns me greatly.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[Craig Haynie]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:26 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:


 Does anyone else have a google alert for Blacklight Power? What have they
 gotten for the past several days concerning BLP?

 I assume they have not gotten it... or have they gotten it as well?


Yes, I have a Google Alert for Blacklight Power. I started getting the Red
Dot shortly after Blacklight's big announcement a couple of weeks ago. It's
annoying.

I think someone is just mocking the followers of Blacklight. Pressing the
red dot is like following cold fusion: people keep doing it, hoping for a
different outcome, but nothing ever changes. At least, that's my take on the
joke.

Craig (Houston)

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[Terry Blanton]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:14 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent
 Johnsonorionwo...@charter.net wrote:
 Just a curiosity.

 Reminds me of this MP3 psychiatric answering machine.

 Terry


THIS one:

http://www.timemachinego.com/linkmachinego/2006/08/20/psychiatric-office-answering-machine/

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[Terry Blanton]

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:14 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent
Johnsonorionwo...@charter.net wrote:
 Just a curiosity.

Reminds me of this MP3 psychiatric answering machine.

Terry

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[Terry Blanton]

More likely they have hacked into GoDaddy:

myftpsite.net = [ 63.64.164.96 ]

(Asked whois.godaddy.com:43 about myftpsite.net)

 Registrant:
Deerfield.com
Registered through: GoDaddy.com  Inc. http://www.godaddy.com
Domain Name: MYFTPSITE.NET
Domain servers in listed order:
   NS1.DNS2GO.COM
   NS2.DNS2GO.COM
   NS5.DNS2GO.COM
For complete domain details go to:

(Asked whois.crsnic.net:43 about =myftpsite.net) (show)

 Whois Server Version 2.0
 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
 with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
 for detailed information.
Domain Name: MYFTPSITE.NET
Registrar: GODADDY.COM  INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS1.DNS2GO.COM
Name Server: NS2.DNS2GO.COM
Name Server: NS5.DNS2GO.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 07-jan-2008
Creation Date: 05-jan-2001
Expiration Date: 05-jan-2010
  Last update of whois database: Mon  31 Aug 2009 17: 46: 58 UTC 
 NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
 registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
 currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
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 registrar.  Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
 view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:27 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V
Johnsonsvj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've gotten the same bogus Blacklight Power emails from three separate
 independent Email accounts. All the same bogus URLs. Apparently,
 others have gotten the same bogus email alerts as well.

 Most of the analysis expressed so far seems to describe various symptoms.

 What is causing the symptoms?

 Who, or what is behind the symptoms?

 Those are the questions I originally asked.

 What is causing Google to generate bogus misleading Blacklight Power
 alerts that have absolutely nothing to do with Blacklight Power?

 Seems to me that someone has figure out a way to hack into (or hijack)
 Google's News Alert feature.

 Regards
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 www.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power, the annoying RED DOT!, Someone messing around

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

I've gotten the same bogus Blacklight Power emails from three separate
independent Email accounts. All the same bogus URLs. Apparently,
others have gotten the same bogus email alerts as well.

Most of the analysis expressed so far seems to describe various symptoms.

What is causing the symptoms?

Who, or what is behind the symptoms?

Those are the questions I originally asked.

What is causing Google to generate bogus misleading Blacklight Power
alerts that have absolutely nothing to do with Blacklight Power?

Seems to me that someone has figure out a way to hack into (or hijack)
Google's News Alert feature.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight Power revamps their web site

[Roarty, Francis X]

 The power gain is very real but the theory is  very wrong and people
are looking at the gas  atoms when they should be looking at the
catalyst.  Fractional states do not exist in 4D and the hydrino is
unphysical but in the same way as the Twin Paradox from physics 101 is
unphysical! The relativistic Klein Gordon equations and 4D proofs based
on the energy equations by Naudts and Bourgoin point to these cavities
as sources of equivalent acceleration - tiny opposite polarity event
horizons. I am convinced that the hydrino only exists relativistically
and the entire controversy to date has been semantics. Both sides are
correct it does not exist (in the same time frame) and it can provide
excess heat, In any case the validation by Rowan  now confirm the
mechanism exists and therefore the theory becomes even more important
from the perspective of  corporate intellectual properties and
optimizing the effect.  I think the Haisch - Moddel patent has the
advantage here for closed loop control because Mill's use of a skeletal
catalyst instead of feed through array makes the reaction much less
likely to escape the cascade. If it can't escape it must continue to
oscillate between monatomic and molecular states until it combusts or
destroys the parallel plate geometry. My relative proposal
http://www.byzipp.com/energy/excessHeat.htm  is based on the work of
others listed below.

 

Randell Mills' founder of Black Light Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklight_Power  claims a fractional
quantum state of hydrogen he coins hydrino which is formed inside
skeletal catalyst Rayney nickel and has up to 137 fractional quantum
states. The hydrino is claimed to produce much more heat energy than
chemistry can explain. This claim is still disputed by the mainstream
but on August 12, 2009 Rowan University faculty and staff announced
validation using their own materials and simplified method which
promises to expedite replications.

In 2005 a math paper by Jan Naudts
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0507193v2 contends that fractional
quantum state argument against hydrino state overlooks relativistic
solutions. This bolsters claim by Randell Mills that disassociated
hydrogen diffused into skeletal catalyst can release excess heat. I will
attempt to make the case that similar to the Twin Paradox in Physics
101. Hydrogen outside the cavity has equivalent motion relative to the
shielded hydrogen inside the cavity. This results in hydrogen exiting
the cavity older than hydrogen which did not diffuse through the cavity.
Hydrogen inside the cavity performs many more reactions through time
dilation and Lorentz contraction then could be performed outside the
cavity for the time period the hydrogen was inside. 

In 2007 Ronald Bourgoin published a paper
http://www.m-hikari.com/astp/astp2007/astp5-8-2007/bourgoinASTP5-8-2007
.pdf  that showed the general wave equation predicts exactly the 137
inverse principal quantum levels claimed by Mills. His equations use a
4D coordinate system suggesting the orbital could appear to collapse
spatially below the Bohr radius because the displacement to the
nucleus is partially converted to the time axis. The fractional quantum
radius only exists from our 3D perspective outside the cavity observing
the hydrino inside. The Bourgoin solutions suggest Mills hydrino only
exists relative to an observer outside the Casimir cavity. Inside the
cavity hydrogen atoms are unaware the t coordinate of their (X, Y, Z, t)
position has changed in the same way that the earth bound twin is
unaware of his multiple second per second existence relative to the twin
approaching an event horizon (C through equivalence). Only when the
still young twin returns to earth or the now old hydrogen exits the
cavity is the difference apparent.

Christian Beck and Michael Mackey publish papers, Measurability of
vacuum fluctuations and dark energy
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0605418  and Electromagnetic dark
energy http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0703364  relating virtual
photons with frequency less than 2 THz are more gravitationally active
than those above. Their claims are presently only theoretical awaiting
experimental evidence. My theory hinges heavily on their as yet
unperformed experiments to prove slower virtual photons are more
gravitationally active. This would establish my premise that the ratio
of slow to fast virtual photons reflect changes in space time such as an
event horizon compared to deep space. 

Thomas Prevenslik paper
http://www.geocities.com/sonoluminescence2004/casimir.PDF  denying
Casimir effect explains Casimir force instead through QED
up-conversion, this method requires nature to up convert IR  VUV per
conservation of energy. If my relativistic theory is correct then all
frequencies inside the cavity are up converted together through time
dilation including the 2Thz virtual photons Beck proposes to be more
gravitationally active. Similar to the Twin Paradox the entire spectrum
inside the cavity ages at 

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power revamps their web site

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
 If you haven't already done so, check out BlackLight Power's web site.
 
 http://www.blacklightpower.com/
 
 Besides a new face, new stuff reported on.

I notice they've got another replication from the Rowan team.  No links
to published articles on that, however.

Have the Rowan folks published anything, aside from the joint statements
quoted on the BLP website?

Didn't see anything on the Rowan web page of  Ramanujachary, either, but
all he's got there is the usual brief bio, no this is stuff I think is
cool section or anything.


 
 Power from Water, etc...
 
 steve
 ---
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 www.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks 
 

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight Power revamps their web site

[Roarty, Francis X]

Yes,

  the big announcement came out yesterday. Validation using off the shelf 
materials by Rowan.

 

Sorted by relevance

  Sort by date 
http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1ned=ushl=enq=black+light+powercf=allscoring=n
Sort by date with duplicates included 
http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1ned=ushl=enq=black+light+powercf=allscoring=d
 

« View all web results for black light power 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=black+light+power 


Blacklight Power Returns With More Lab Validation 
http://industry.bnet.com/energy/10001849/blacklight-power-returns-with-more-lab-validation/
 


BNET - Chris Morrison 
http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1ned=ushl=enq=author%3A%22Chris+Morrison%22scoring=n
  - ‎4 hours ago‎

For readers who aren't familiar with Blacklight Power (likely the majority), 
here's the executive summary: A ...

• BlackLight Power Inc. sees proof of research as dawn of new ... 
http://www.njbiz.com/article.asp?aID=78895  NJBIZ 

BlackLight Power, Inc. Announces Independent Validation of ... 
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=PRNI2STORY=/www/story/08-12-2009/0005076297EDATE=
  PR Newswire (press release) 

An (Almost) Infinite Form of Power? 
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/an-almost-infinite-form-of-power/ 
 Greentech Media 

Cleantech Group 
http://cleantech.com/news/4834/blacklight-touts-third-party-valida  

all 17 news articles » 
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-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:42 AM
To: Vortex
Subject: [Vo]:Blacklight Power revamps their web site

 

If you haven't already done so, check out BlackLight Power's web site.

 

http://www.blacklightpower.com/

 

Besides a new face, new stuff reported on.

 

Power from Water, etc...

 

steve

---

Steven Vincent Johnson

www.OrionWorks.com

www.zazzle.com/orionworks 

 

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Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power revamps their web site

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

From the recent BLP press release at:

http://www.blacklightpower.com/Press%20Releases/BlackLightPowerPhysicsGrandSlamFINAL081209.htm

http://tinyurl.com/q2dxos

--
Excerpt:

“The advanced version of the solid fuel is very efficient at
liberating energy from forming hydrinos and requires essentially no
energy to reverse the chemical product back into the initial fuel.
Regeneration was achieved simply with heat.  This is enabling of
continuous generation of power using simplistic and efficient systems
that use heat liberated by forming “hydrinos” to concurrently maintain
regeneration.  The system is closed except that only hydrogen consumed
in forming hydrinos needs to be replaced,” said Dr. Randell Mills,
Chairman, CEO and President of BlackLight Power, Inc.

--

At first glance this sounds way too good to be true.

The process of regenerating the compound through the application of
heat seems like a contradiction of terms, since one presumes the
process itself is being used to generate excessive heat in the first
place. I would presume a drastic change in environmental conditions is
also required (besides heat) for the regeneration process to complete.
I presume these environmental changes are proprietary. ;-)

Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what BLP is currently using
as their favorite solid fuel? I got the impression that a prior
promising concoction consisting of Raney Nickel turned out to be too
difficult to manage, or have I got my facts all wrong on this point.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power revamps their web site

[Mike Carrell]

As with the earlier reaction announcement with NaH and Raney nickel, the 
accompanying Commercialization paper in What's New requires study and 
is complex. I've read through it but will confess I don't understand all 
that I read. There was much buzz on the HSG forum that the real energy came 
from the Raney Nickel and not from the NaH reaction. Mills pointed out the 
mistake by Eli, and I posted it to the forum, but was ignored.


The problem with the earlier reaction was that unexpected reactions left the 
Raney Nickel in a state that was difficult to reconstitute without spending 
more energy than the core reaction produced, so it was unsuitable for a 
power plant. There was nothing 'proprietary' about the R-Nickel, it is a 
standard industrial chemical. Preparation of the reactant charge for the 
calorimeter had to be in a argon-fillled glove box at BLP.


It turns out, perhaps not unexpectedly, that there are many solid catalyst 
systems, once you understand what to look for and how to set them up. The 
operative word is 'heterogeneous'. The cited paper lists 3 catalysts, 11 
oxidants, and 5 reductants. What is optimum for a power system is not 
stated. Reconstituion via electrloysis of a molten salt, and by heat only, 
is mentioned for different combinations. In my one-pass reading, I did not 
sort them all out.


It is now stated that the system can extract 200 times the heat of 
combustion from a given amount of hydrogen. The reaction temperature is 
limited only by the tolerance of the reaction vessel. At a one point a 45% 
heat/electric conversion efficientcy is assumed. We do not yet see the 
structure of an operating reactor, but references to contiuous burn are 
made. BLP intends to retainan an AE firm to do the reactor design.


Rowan professors have stated that they have been able to make 
hydrino-containing compounds from standard chemicals. Basically, the 
prfeparation goes exothermic with the production of hydrinos.


Mike Carrell





- Original Message - 
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power revamps their web site



From the recent BLP press release at:


http://www.blacklightpower.com/Press%20Releases/BlackLightPowerPhysicsGrandSlamFINAL081209.htm

http://tinyurl.com/q2dxos

--
Excerpt:

“The advanced version of the solid fuel is very efficient at
liberating energy from forming hydrinos and requires essentially no
energy to reverse the chemical product back into the initial fuel.
Regeneration was achieved simply with heat.  This is enabling of
continuous generation of power using simplistic and efficient systems
that use heat liberated by forming “hydrinos” to concurrently maintain
regeneration.  The system is closed except that only hydrogen consumed
in forming hydrinos needs to be replaced,” said Dr. Randell Mills,
Chairman, CEO and President of BlackLight Power, Inc.

--

At first glance this sounds way too good to be true.

The process of regenerating the compound through the application of
heat seems like a contradiction of terms, since one presumes the
process itself is being used to generate excessive heat in the first
place. I would presume a drastic change in environmental conditions is
also required (besides heat) for the regeneration process to complete.
I presume these environmental changes are proprietary. ;-)

Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what BLP is currently using
as their favorite solid fuel? I got the impression that a prior
promising concoction consisting of Raney Nickel turned out to be too
difficult to manage, or have I got my facts all wrong on this point.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
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Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power revamps their web site

[mixent]

In reply to  OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Thu, 13 Aug 2009
12:00:12 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]

From http://www.blacklightpower.com/introguide.shtml#2

The solid-fuel chemistry has the important feature that it's regenerable using
methods such as molten-salt electrolysis. An advanced version of the solid fuel,
the EuBr2 oxidant system, is very efficient at liberating energy from forming
hydrinos and requires essentially no energy to reverse the chemical product
back into the initial fuel. Regeneration was achieved simply with heat.

Note the mention of EuBr2 (Europium Bromide).

Note also that this catalyst isn't a Hydride, which means that the reaction
doesn't all occur within the same molecule as was suggested for NaH.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July 30, 2009

[Horace Heffner]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Mike Carrell wrote:


Mills has pledged to post progess as possible, and he has done so.  
It is probable that as BLP progesses on their current path, a  
firestorm of criticism and opposition may emerge, and BLP must be  
prepared for it. Remember the story of the Fleischmann-Pons Effect.


Mike Carrell



There should be no firestorm of criticism and opposition if they  
produce energy and produce a profit. Nothing succeeds like success.  
They've had years, a large staff and facility, University  
cooperation, and millions of dollars in investments, with success  
always anticipated not far into the future.  Why would they not succeed?


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July 30, 2009

[Mike Carrell]

By any reasonable standard, Mills should succeed if he surmounts the present 
technical problem, application of acquired knowledge to a 'water engine' 
that delivers useful power. That will be unprecedented. Because nobody else 
has done it, and the path to it is through his magnum opus, GUTCP, serious 
attention must be given to that theoretical work.


GUTCP threatens to render the intllectual investment by generations of 
physicists in QM irrelevant. A work of such audacity and scope by one man is 
unlikely to be error-free. Still, coming from a MD not a member of the 
'club', atttack is probable.


The Obama administration is earmarking substantial funds for 'green' and 
'enerrgy' initiatives and recipients are already waiting with mouths agape. 
A BLP water engine could grab international attention and lead to loud 
squaks. One reason for the attacks on Fleishnann and Pons is that the FP 
Effect could divert Congress' attention from funding the hot fusion 
programs. Coal states are promoting clean coal propjects; the nuclear 
fission industry sees lots of fission reactors. Do not be surprised if the 
EPA is urged to investigate the toxicity of hydrinos [if they exist, of 
course].


In response to Frank, BLP has engaged world-class intellectual property 
lawyers to protect its investors, who have put up $60+ million, and want to 
be repaid. Deployment of BLP technology worldwide is an immense task, bigger 
than any single company, but BLP wants its due share. The technology cannot 
remain a 'secret' long, and patents expire. BLP will have a 20 year head 
start on competitors, who will find it advangeous to maintain licenses with 
BLP. While I was at RCA, I heard a talk by the head of the patent department 
whose job it was to arrange lincesing agreements with top Japanese 
electronics firms for access to RCA know-how, even though the basic patents 
on color televison had expired. RCA derived $100 million annually from 
licenses.


Mike Carrell

- Original Message - 
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July 
30, 2009





On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Mike Carrell wrote:


Mills has pledged to post progess as possible, and he has done so.  It is 
probable that as BLP progesses on their current path, a  firestorm of 
criticism and opposition may emerge, and BLP must be  prepared for it. 
Remember the story of the Fleischmann-Pons Effect.


Mike Carrell



There should be no firestorm of criticism and opposition if they  produce 
energy and produce a profit. Nothing succeeds like success.  They've had 
years, a large staff and facility, University  cooperation, and millions 
of dollars in investments, with success  always anticipated not far into 
the future.  Why would they not succeed?


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






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Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July 30, 2009

[Terry Blanton]

But, Steven, all that is decidedly ON TOPIC:

http://amasci.com/weird/wvort.html

The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of
professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which
exhibit anomalous energy effects (ie: the inventions of Schaeffer,
Huffman, Griggs, and Potapov among others.) Currently it has evolved
into a discussion on taboo physics reports and research. SKEPTICS
BEWARE, the topics wander from Cold Fusion, to reports of excess
energy in Free Energy devices, gravity generation and detection,
reports of theoretically impossible phenomena, and all sorts of
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below. This is a public, lightly- moderated smartlist list. There is
no charge, but donations towards expenses are recommended.

Terry

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, OrionWorkssvj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 With all of this incessant prattle concerning the OT topic of UFOs and
 abduction scenarios grabbing much of the Vort bandwidth . . .

Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July 30, 2009

[Mike Carrell]

MC: You won't get much satisfaction from the press release itself. As a BLP 
watcher, I can offer some unofficial background.


The positinve part is that there are now six corporate entities who have 
seen internal presentations and demonstrations and have made license 
commitments of varying types. Details of agreements are private. The New 
Mexico cooperatives obviously have lttle cash and no RD facilities, but 
they could be advantageous test sites. Recent Journal papers consolidate 
years of experiments that refute critics who claim that key signatures of 
BLP reactions are due to mundane causes. The NaH reaction  described on the 
websit shows that very, very energetic reactions are possible, although that 
particular one is not a good candidate for scale up to a utility level. 
Others, more promising, are under development but not released until patent 
protection is established.


Mills has pledged to post progess as possible, and he has done so. It is 
probable that as BLP progesses on their current path, a firestorm of 
criticism and opposition may emerge, and BLP must be prepared for it. 
Remember the story of the Fleischmann-Pons Effect.


Mike Carrell


 Original Message - 
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July 
30, 2009




I chased the link and didn't get anywhere; it would not open for me.

Could you summarize -- did they say anything about the cost, if any, of
the license?  And did Akridge say anything about plans to construct
anything using the licensed technology?

Just wondering.

OrionWorks wrote:

With all of this incessant prattle concerning the OT topic of UFOs and
abduction scenarios grabbing much of the Vort bandwidth did anyone
notice that BlackLight Power has announced its sixth commercial
deal?

http://www.blacklightpower.com/Press%20Releases/BlackLightAkridgeLicenseAgreementPressReleaseFINAL073009.rtf

http://tinyurl.com/kvewe6

Excerpt:

--

Cranbury, NJ (July 30, 2009)-BlackLight Power (BLP) Inc. today
announced the execution of its sixth commercial license agreement and
first with Akridge Energy, LLC (Akridge Energy), based in Maryland. In
a non-exclusive agreement, BLP has granted Akridge Energy a license to
use the BlackLight Process and certain BLP energy technology for the
production of electric power in Maryland, Virginia and the District of
Columbia.  Akridge Energy may use the technology to produce electric
power up to a maximum continuous capacity of 400 megawatts (MW).

--

They appear to have skipped commentary concerning the 3rd, 4th, and
5th deals. Wonder what that was all about.

Regards,
Steven Vincnet Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks





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RE: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July 30, 2009

[Frank]

Some sort of exception regarding patents should be made for Mills'. The guy
obviously has something that the world needs and he literally can not share
what he knows! He did make a good faith effort to patent the device but his
theory was rejected and patent denied. Later Haisch and Moddel applied for a
competing patent that was accepted... What do you think is going to happen
when someone points out that Rayney Nickel is just a random array of Casimir
cavities? 

Fran

-Original Message-
From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:44 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July
30, 2009

MC: You won't get much satisfaction from the press release itself. As a BLP 
watcher, I can offer some unofficial background.

The positinve part is that there are now six corporate entities who have 
seen internal presentations and demonstrations and have made license 
commitments of varying types. Details of agreements are private. The New 
Mexico cooperatives obviously have lttle cash and no RD facilities, but 
they could be advantageous test sites. Recent Journal papers consolidate 
years of experiments that refute critics who claim that key signatures of 
BLP reactions are due to mundane causes. The NaH reaction  described on the 
websit shows that very, very energetic reactions are possible, although that

particular one is not a good candidate for scale up to a utility level. 
Others, more promising, are under development but not released until patent 
protection is established.

Mills has pledged to post progess as possible, and he has done so. It is 
probable that as BLP progesses on their current path, a firestorm of 
criticism and opposition may emerge, and BLP must be prepared for it. 
Remember the story of the Fleischmann-Pons Effect.

Mike Carrell


 Original Message - 
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BlackLight Power announces 6th commercial license July 
30, 2009


I chased the link and didn't get anywhere; it would not open for me.

 Could you summarize -- did they say anything about the cost, if any, of
 the license?  And did Akridge say anything about plans to construct
 anything using the licensed technology?

 Just wondering.

 OrionWorks wrote:
 With all of this incessant prattle concerning the OT topic of UFOs and
 abduction scenarios grabbing much of the Vort bandwidth did anyone
 notice that BlackLight Power has announced its sixth commercial
 deal?


http://www.blacklightpower.com/Press%20Releases/BlackLightAkridgeLicenseAgre
ementPressReleaseFINAL073009.rtf

 http://tinyurl.com/kvewe6

 Excerpt:

 --

 Cranbury, NJ (July 30, 2009)-BlackLight Power (BLP) Inc. today
 announced the execution of its sixth commercial license agreement and
 first with Akridge Energy, LLC (Akridge Energy), based in Maryland. In
 a non-exclusive agreement, BLP has granted Akridge Energy a license to
 use the BlackLight Process and certain BLP energy technology for the
 production of electric power in Maryland, Virginia and the District of
 Columbia.  Akridge Energy may use the technology to produce electric
 power up to a maximum continuous capacity of 400 megawatts (MW).

 --

 They appear to have skipped commentary concerning the 3rd, 4th, and
 5th deals. Wonder what that was all about.

 Regards,
 Steven Vincnet Johnson
 www.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks



 
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Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power stuff

[MJ]

Downloaded fine here. It's a 130-page PDF document (80 blank pages).

Do you want me to send you the PDF?

Mark Jordan


On 16 Aug 2008 at 19:41, Jones Beene wrote:

 --- Hi Robin,
 
  Going by the old paper I have (Anomalous
 Argon-Hydrogen-Strontium Discharge) we are both
 wrong...
 
 I see this paper is apparently available online from a
 source I haven't used before, and am trying to
 download it, but not yet successful ...
 
 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary;jsessionid=3B26C7347DA3
 AB466D858A4664EA1F27?doi=10.1.1.20.7990
 
 Jones
 

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power stuff

[Jones Beene]

-- Robin 

 Assuming 10%, then the light output would be 2.46 W
 for pure H2 (taken from the table). To get a flux of
2 microwatt/cm^2, one would have to measure at a
 distance of about 3 m from the reaction. 

Not at all. 

You are apparently assuming the full cm^2 of the chip
is being irradiated. I am assuming, in contrast, but
taken from a previous diagram of a Mills' experiment,
that a pinhole detector was used.

Big difference - as a sub mm aperture is irradiating
the much larger detector chip - thus the low microwatt
figure.

Note: to protect these kinds of detector chips in a
plasma reactor, a pinhole is customarily used. CAVEAT:
I do NOT know that to be the case for certain here,
but the only experiments (which I remember seeing)
were set up exactly this way - with a pinhole and
photocell. 

This point begs to be clarified, of course, since with
a pinhole - the actual radiation flux at the spherical
radius of the aperture, can a multiple of 10^5 or up
from the actual area of the intercepted radiation
through the hole. 

IOW - if it was not a pinhole detector then nothing
that Mills has written, in terms of his past COP
claims, makes much sense - Nor does my crude analysis
of it.

More later,

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power: Sci-fi science rejected by UK-IPO

[Edmund Storms]

After reading the decision of the patent examiner, my impression is that 
the patent was rejected for good reason. The rejection argument is not 
that the theory is wrong but that Mills is trying to patent a theory and 
its application to calculating electron states. This would be like 
having a patent for using the Laws of Thermodynamics to calculate 
reaction energies.  Imagine having to pay a fee to the patent holder 
each time a person attempted to use the patented methods. It is my 
understanding that a theory can not be patented. Why do people keep 
trying? Patents are granted when a theory is reduced to practice in the 
form of a working device. When is Mills going to have a working device?


Ed

OrionWorks wrote:


For those who have a propensity towards understanding lawyer-speak.
Jones? Mr. Carrell?

http://lawbites.com/blacklight-power-sci-fi-science-rejected-by-uk-ipo/

http://tinyurl.com/5wwbvp

and

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/patent/p-decisionmaking/p-challenge/p-challenge-decision-results/p-challenge-decision-results-bl?BL_Number=O/076/08

http://tinyurl.com/439trx

There is a 13 page PDF document that can be downloaded from the UK IPO
that describes the reasoning behind rejecting Blacklight's attempts.

What I'd like to know is whether UK IPO's final decision was due to a
difference in scientific opinion or whether other factors may have
been involved.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power: Sci-fi science rejected by UK-IPO

[Mike Carrell]

- Original Message - 
From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:40 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Blacklight Power: Sci-fi science rejected by UK-IPO

snip


What I'd like to know is whether UK IPO's final decision was due to a
difference in scientific opinion or whether other factors may have
been involved.


Having plowed through the decision, the bottom line is that the Millsian 
molecular modeling program is intrinsically not patentable under UK law 
because it is in essence a computer program. I have no idea about how other 
sofware, such as Windows, fares under the UK law. The descision has no 
bearing on the merits of Mills' CQM. The comment from lawbites about sci-fi 
science is utterly spurious and not supported by any remarks by the UK 
examiner.


Mike Carrell

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power: Sci-fi science rejected by UK-IPO

[OrionWorks]

Reading Ed and Mike's comments makes me wonder why in the world BLP
would attempt to patent a theoretical process involving the
calculation of electron states via software simulations.

Is this latest battle related to Randy's Millsian Molecular Modeling
endeavors, or is this a follow-up to recent alleged breakthroughs
involving excess heat using the new breakthrough solid fuel base.

It's as if BLP is attempting to explore a different legal strategy: To
establish a precedent, where they are trying to legitimize the CQM
theory indirectly through software simulations that are presumably
backed by physical evidence. ...Perhaps I should say, one better hope
BLP can back up their computer simulations with real physical
evidence!!!

This is an interesting conundrum from my perspective as sharper minds
than mine have always stressed the fact that a theory or an idea can
not be patented, at least not within the United States. When dealing
with the development of industrial processes, such as a novel way to
generate excess heat as BLP hopes to cash in on, I was under the
impression that only a process, a procedure, or improvement to a
process or procedure can be patented. The theory explaining why the
process or procedure seems to work should (in practice) take second
stage to actual physical evidence. OTOH, I gather the theory in
question has not always taken second stage to physical evidence such
as when BLP attempted to explain the reasons behind some of their
experimental evidence as modeled through CQM theory.

I believe it has been suggested more than once that BLP would fare
better if they would simply focus their finite resources on patenting
procedures for which their experimental evidence reveals the
generation of substantial amounts of excess heat.

Perhaps I'm not seeing the bigger picture, because this recent UK
endeavor gives me the impression that BLP continues to spend an
inadvisable amount of time and effort on attempts to legitimize CQM
rather than focusing on protecting the actual processes that are known
to generate substantial amounts of heat.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power: Sci-fi science rejected by UK-IPO

[Harry Veeder]

Can theories be copyrighted?

Harry

On 12/5/2008 4:37 PM, OrionWorks wrote:

 Reading Ed and Mike's comments makes me wonder why in the world BLP
 would attempt to patent a theoretical process involving the
 calculation of electron states via software simulations.
 
 Is this latest battle related to Randy's Millsian Molecular Modeling
 endeavors, or is this a follow-up to recent alleged breakthroughs
 involving excess heat using the new breakthrough solid fuel base.
 
 It's as if BLP is attempting to explore a different legal strategy: To
 establish a precedent, where they are trying to legitimize the CQM
 theory indirectly through software simulations that are presumably
 backed by physical evidence. ...Perhaps I should say, one better hope
 BLP can back up their computer simulations with real physical
 evidence!!!
 
 This is an interesting conundrum from my perspective as sharper minds
 than mine have always stressed the fact that a theory or an idea can
 not be patented, at least not within the United States. When dealing
 with the development of industrial processes, such as a novel way to
 generate excess heat as BLP hopes to cash in on, I was under the
 impression that only a process, a procedure, or improvement to a
 process or procedure can be patented. The theory explaining why the
 process or procedure seems to work should (in practice) take second
 stage to actual physical evidence. OTOH, I gather the theory in
 question has not always taken second stage to physical evidence such
 as when BLP attempted to explain the reasons behind some of their
 experimental evidence as modeled through CQM theory.
 
 I believe it has been suggested more than once that BLP would fare
 better if they would simply focus their finite resources on patenting
 procedures for which their experimental evidence reveals the
 generation of substantial amounts of excess heat.
 
 Perhaps I'm not seeing the bigger picture, because this recent UK
 endeavor gives me the impression that BLP continues to spend an
 inadvisable amount of time and effort on attempts to legitimize CQM
 rather than focusing on protecting the actual processes that are known
 to generate substantial amounts of heat.
 
 Regards
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 www.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks
 

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power: Sci-fi science rejected by UK-IPO

[Mike Carrell]

- Original Message - 
From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power: Sci-fi science rejected by UK-IPO



Reading Ed and Mike's comments makes me wonder why in the world BLP
would attempt to patent a theoretical process involving the
calculation of electron states via software simulations.


The calculation of properties of molecules is extremely computer intensive. 
'for example, spider silk is stronger than steel, but is molecular 
configuration is not what a synthetic chemist would guess. Millsian software 
can do on a laptop what is noiw done on supercomputers. The US patent law 
may differ slightly.


Is this latest battle related to Randy's Millsian Molecular Modeling
endeavors, or is this a follow-up to recent alleged breakthroughs
involving excess heat using the new breakthrough solid fuel base.


Keep your eye on the solid fuel technology and read the website carefully.


It's as if BLP is attempting to explore a different legal strategy: To
establish a precedent, where they are trying to legitimize the CQM
theory indirectly through software simulations that are presumably
backed by physical evidence. ...Perhaps I should say, one better hope
BLP can back up their computer simulations with real physical
evidence!!!


The market for Millsian is pharmaceutical and related companies. The product 
is the models with accurate calculations of key properties.


This is an interesting conundrum from my perspective as sharper minds
than mine have always stressed the fact that a theory or an idea can
not be patented, at least not within the United States. When dealing
with the development of industrial processes, such as a novel way to
generate excess heat as BLP hopes to cash in on, I was under the
impression that only a process, a procedure, or improvement to a
process or procedure can be patented. The theory explaining why the
process or procedure seems to work should (in practice) take second
stage to actual physical evidence. OTOH, I gather the theory in
question has not always taken second stage to physical evidence such
as when BLP attempted to explain the reasons behind some of their
experimental evidence as modeled through CQM theory.


You can't patent a law of Nature, only a structure or process utilizing the 
law. For a long time software was not patentable, being classed as an 
idea. In some cases, copyright law is applied to intellectual property. 
There was a battle between Intel and AMD over microprocessors. AMD produced 
processors which would run programs written for Intel processors. In an 
elaborate negotiation, it was demonstrated that AMD did not use the same 
circuits or steal Intel's designs. You can't patent a hydrino, but you can 
patent compounds using hydrinos. You can patent a process for making 
hydrinos, and if you are clever enough you might sustain claims to all 
processes making hydrinos. DeForest invented the vacuum tube triode, the 
Audion, foundationn of the electronics industry. He tried to claim royalties 
for every circuit using the Audion, and failed.


I believe it has been suggested more than once that BLP would fare
better if they would simply focus their finite resources on patenting
procedures for which their experimental evidence reveals the
generation of substantial amounts of excess heat.


Such a patent was filed, with hundreds of claims and clauses attempting to 
cover all themes and variations. It's much better to have a fundamental 
patent if you can get it.


Perhaps I'm not seeing the bigger picture, because this recent UK
endeavor gives me the impression that BLP continues to spend an
inadvisable amount of time and effort on attempts to legitimize CQM
rather than focusing on protecting the actual processes that are known
to generate substantial amounts of heat.


The UK patent is just one event in an elaborate dance. BLP is well financed.

Mike Carrell 

Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power: Sci-fi science rejected by UK-IPO

[R C Macaulay]

Howdy Mike,
And thus we gain another glimpse of the new century strategies being used to 
capture revenue streams derived from intellectual property... or should I 
say properties. Actually the field remains  open to a new legimate form of 
pirating ownership before discovery. hmmm
Google concepualized an advertizing revenue stream could be created with a 
website.

BLP appears to see a future revenue stream by pre-empting patents.
Richard



Mike Carrell wrote,
The UK patent is just one event in an elaborate dance. BLP is well 
financed.