RE: [WSG] page check
georg wrote: Looks like you have two layers of some of those container- borders, and not all line up well in Firefox Opera. Do you mean the navbarnthe header? do you think it will be ok, as im out of time on this, Slight weakness when font-resizing is applied, which is most visibl where those container-borders get covered by content- background in Firefox. I think now the font size can be increased once without any breaks in the layout. the html validates now www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final11.htm www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/subcategory.htm www.mcmonagle.bix/mockup/index6.css thanks again -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
Hi all, I have a table of a schedule of fees that needs to have nested ordered lists inside it. Each list item has an associated fee which obviously should go on the same line. With a bit of fiddling I can put a whole list in one table row and get the prices to align (might work as long as everyone views in the same sized browser window so there is no wrapping! Ha!) but then I lose the association between each item and its fee - or don't I? Is there another way to do this (using ids perhaps?) where I can achieve what I need to do? I can't simply put each item and price in its own table row, because then I can't keep the list. Or do I need to actually type into the content the list numbering (instead of using an ol) just to get the same visual effect? :-\ -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
On 04/01/2006, at 6:29 PM, Vicki Berry wrote: With a bit of fiddling I can put a whole list in one table row and get the prices to align (might work as long as everyone views in the same sized browser window so there is no wrapping! Ha!) but then I lose the association between each item and its fee - or don't I? Is there another way to do this (using ids perhaps?) where I can achieve what I need to do? I can't simply put each item and price in its own table row, because then I can't keep the list. Can you show us an example of what you have so far? It does sound like it should be a table, IMHO. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
http://www.usability.com.au/resources/tables.cfm is a great resource. I find particularly interesting http://www.usability.com.au/resources/tables.cfm#very , as it demonstrates that accessible tables needn't be meagre and can, in fact, contain quite a lot of structured information. It sounds as though you're trying to structure multiple levels of information (multiple fees for each item?), and even that isn't beyond what we can/should use tables for. Tables don't kill people, people kill people... Or something. :P (Heck, tables don't even help!) Josh On 1/4/06, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/01/2006, at 6:29 PM, Vicki Berry wrote: With a bit of fiddling I can put a whole list in one table row and get the prices to align (might work as long as everyone views in the same sized browser window so there is no wrapping! Ha!) but then I lose the association between each item and its fee - or don't I? Is there another way to do this (using ids perhaps?) where I can achieve what I need to do? I can't simply put each item and price in its own table row, because then I can't keep the list. Can you show us an example of what you have so far? It does sound like it should be a table, IMHO. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox 1.0.x rogue PNG background line
Joshua Street wrote: This is a seriously odd problem, resulting from Photoshop's PNG output/Firefox 1,0.x's PNG decoder (I think). Test case at http://joahua.com/blog/2006/01/04/photoshopfirefox-10x-and-the-case-of-the-mystery-line Anyone seen this before? I used to see a weird line at the very bottom of my PNGs when running pre-release beta versions of FF. Seems to have been solved in 1.5 though. -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] page check
kvnmcwebn wrote: www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final11.htm Looks like you have two layers of some of those container- borders, and not all line up well in Firefox Opera. Do you mean the navbarnthe header? do you think it will be ok, as im out of time on this, It is looking pretty ok now. Valid code helps - at times :-) Slight weakness when font-resizing is applied, which is most visibl where those container-borders get covered by content- background in Firefox. I think now the font size can be increased once without any breaks in the layout. Footer can't expand properly in Firefox etc. Looking acceptable otherwise. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Firefox 1.0.x rogue PNG background line
This isn't just a line, it's the background showing through. Plus I'm seeing it on at least three computers with Firefox release 1.0.x versions... so it's not JUST beta software. Could just be corruption, but it's such an odd outcome I had to ask if anyone had seen it before. On 1/4/06, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Street wrote: This is a seriously odd problem, resulting from Photoshop's PNG output/Firefox 1,0.x's PNG decoder (I think). Test case at http://joahua.com/blog/2006/01/04/photoshopfirefox-10x-and-the-case-of-the-mystery-line Anyone seen this before? I used to see a weird line at the very bottom of my PNGs when running pre-release beta versions of FF. Seems to have been solved in 1.5 though. -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] page check
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: It is looking pretty ok now. Valid code helps - at times :-) This: /div!-- navdrop -- -- ...doesn't look good in IE6. The last comment-end is visible text. Since you are commenting out navdrop, maybe it'll come out better if you end it like: /div -- !-- navdrop -- Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] page check
georg wrote:
Footer can't expand properly in Firefox etc. Looking acceptable otherwise.
I know this is not good but i defined a pixel height for the footer. The
background image of the div behind it was showing through the footer div's
padding. I will try and use a background image for the footer instead of
defining its height.
thanks again.
I see a couple more things that i will fix,
then i have to fire it over to the .net guy, who will probably add
validation errors;{
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/families/final11.htm
(links are somewhat active)
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[WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)
Hi All, We came with a W3C friendly solution to insert images with or without link in the layout, being able to control it via CSS only, without writing the IMG tag on the HTML code). It also helps Google and other search engines to find the name, title or alt of the image. Image Without Link: http://www.sugarman.ca/temp/w3c/imagem_sem_link.htm Image With Link: http://www.sugarman.ca/temp/w3c/imagem_com_link.htm We would like to have your opinion about it and sugestions are welcome! []'s Fausto Balloni Filho Client-Side - Globo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)
Hi Fausto, A good way of doing it, but It doesn't work with Images off and CSS still turned on, which becomes an Accessibility issue. Has anyone ever resolved a way ofdoing this for graphic links containing a rollover state? The problem is, IE doesn't let you add a hover state to anything other than the a tag. So thecommon methods of image replacement don't seem to work in those instances: I thought the Gilder/Levin/Shea Enhancement Method was best, but you can't have a hover state on a graphic link using this. Example HTMLwould be: a id="header" title="Revised Image Replacement" href=""span/spanRevised Image Replacement/a Anyonefoundanother method? For a good list of ideas Fausto, you could try this page if you haven't already seen it: http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ Cheers,Paul - Original Message - From: Fausto Balloni To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly) Hi All,We came with a W3C friendly solution to insert images with or without link in the layout, being able to control it via CSS only, without writing the IMG tag on the HTML code). It also helps Google and other search engines to find the name, "title" or "alt" of the image.Image Without Link:http://www.sugarman.ca/temp/w3c/imagem_sem_link.htmImage With Link:http://www.sugarman.ca/temp/w3c/imagem_com_link.htmWe would like to have your opinion about it and sugestions are welcome![]'sFausto Balloni FilhoClient-Side - Globo.com**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
Lea wrote: Can you show us an example of what you have so far? It does sound like it should be a table, IMHO. Yes, definitely, I just don't know how to mark it up so I can keep my lists and the table. The existing page (that I now need to update) is here: http://www.mrc.wa.gov.au/services/fee_schedule.html (Please everyone, don't comment on the site or page or how - er - sad it all is. :-) The site is nearly 4 years old now and I'm sure we've all come a long way in 4 years!) So... for example if you look at Non-Compacted Waste. (That heading is actually meant to be removed altogether for the update I need to make.) The items in points i and ii should ideally be in separate table rows with their prices associated with each item. I'd like to sort the whole table out so I have the the fees of all items associated with those items as tabular data (not just displayed prettily in a table) - regardless of the level of the item in its (nested or otherwise) ordered list. If that's possible. Somehow. :-) Joshua wrote: http://www.usability.com.au/resources/tables.cfm is a great resource. I find particularly interesting http://www.usability.com.au/resources/tables.cfm#very , as it demonstrates that accessible tables needn't be meagre and can, in fact, contain quite a lot of structured information. Thanks Joshua, a great resource! But unfortunately those pages don't discuss lists in tables at all. :-( -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)
Fausto Balloni wrote: It also helps Google and other search engines to find the name, title or alt of the image. Somehow I don't think Google and co. have any trouble finding the ALT attribute on images already... -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] page check
kvnmcwebn wrote: the html validates now Tidy is still complaining of unescaped amp's in your title attributes: ul class="navlist" lia href="subcategory.htm" title="parenting"Parenting/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="childcare"Childcare/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Youth / Teenagers"Youth amp; Teenagers/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Family Issues"Family Issues/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Mothers' / Women's Support"Mothers' amp; Women's Support/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Fathers' / Men's Support"Fathers' amp; Men's Support/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Gay Lesbian Support"Gay amp; Lesbian Support/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Health Wellbeing"Health amp; Wellbeing/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Personal Problems"Personal Problems/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Disability / Special Needs"Disability amp; Special Needs/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Older People"Older People/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Minority Groups"Minority Groups/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Education Training"Education amp; Training/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Homelessness / Housing"Homelessness amp; Housing/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Money"Money/a/li lia href="subcategory.htm" title="Money"Content Providers/a/li /ul /div -- Peter J. Farrell :: Maestro Publishing http://blog.maestropublishing.com Rooibos Generator - Version 2.1 Create boilerplate beans and transfer objects for ColdFusion! http://rooibos.maestropublishing.com/ - Member Team Mach-II - Member Team Fusion
Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)
Hi Fausto, To cut things short: there is nothing wrong with images used as background via CSS as long as theses images are used as layout and not to give meaningful pieces of information to the visitors. You may end up confusing people who use text-only or speech devices. Read this article from 24ways.org, I've found it very helpful, myself. You're from Brazil, hu? I'm living in Florianópolis, WONDERFUL!!! Cheers mate!!!
Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)
Paul,
on Wednesday, January 4, 2006 at 15:48 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:
I thought the Gilder/Levin/Shea Enhancement Method was best, but
you can't have a hover state on a graphic link using this.
Example HTML would be:
a id=header title=Revised Image Replacement
href=revised.htmlspan/spanRevised Image Replacement/a
Why?
a#header:hover span {
background: url(another url) no-repeat (or shift);
}
should work.
regards
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RE: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)
Thank you foryour help,Paul. This link will be very useful!!! It is in my bookmark allready. (-: Regards from Rio de Janeiro (Brazil), Fausto. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul CollinsSent: quarta-feira, 4 de janeiro de 2006 12:48To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly) Hi Fausto, A good way of doing it, but It doesn't work with Images off and CSS still turned on, which becomes an Accessibility issue. Has anyone ever resolved a way ofdoing this for graphic links containing a rollover state? The problem is, IE doesn't let you add a hover state to anything other than the a tag. So thecommon methods of image replacement don't seem to work in those instances: I thought the Gilder/Levin/Shea Enhancement Method was best, but you can't have a hover state on a graphic link using this. Example HTMLwould be: a id="header" title="Revised Image Replacement" href=""span/spanRevised Image Replacement/a Anyonefoundanother method? For a good list of ideas Fausto, you could try this page if you haven't already seen it: http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ Cheers,Paul - Original Message - From: Fausto Balloni To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly) Hi All,We came with a W3C friendly solution to insert images with or without link in the layout, being able to control it via CSS only, without writing the IMG tag on the HTML code). It also helps Google and other search engines to find the name, "title" or "alt" of the image.Image Without Link:http://www.sugarman.ca/temp/w3c/imagem_sem_link.htmImage With Link:http://www.sugarman.ca/temp/w3c/imagem_com_link.htmWe would like to have your opinion about it and sugestions are welcome![]'sFausto Balloni FilhoClient-Side - Globo.com**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] Images as DIV Background with and without link (w3c friendly)
Hi Martin, thanks for your reply...
You can't use the :hover pseudo class on any
element other than an anchor in IE unfortunately. I don't have time to look too
far, but with a brief search I found this link that mentions it:
http://4umi.com/web/css/hover.htm
They say it will be fixed in the IE7 blog, but I'm
still developing back to version 5!
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx
I've seen a _javascript_ solution, but again that
would cause Accessibility issues. Would love to hear if anyone has a solution to
this??!
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Background with and without link (w3c friendly)
Paul,on Wednesday, January 4, 2006 at 15:48 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
wrote: I thought the Gilder/Levin/Shea Enhancement Method was
best, but you can't have a hover state on a graphic link using
this. Example HTML would be: a id="header"
title="Revised Image Replacement"
href=""span/spanRevised Image
Replacement/aWhy?a#header:hover span {
background: url(another url) no-repeat (or shift);}should
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Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
Vicki Berry said: Yes, definitely, I just don't know how to mark it up so I can keep my lists and the table. The In you dreams solution. Any chance it can be rewritten in *plain english* to remove the redundant clauses and overuse of numbering? Example: clause 1(b)is already *explicitly* described by clause 1(a). The It's a legal document and can't be changed or Written by laywer-types for lawyer-types solution. Because the document is written in leagalise I would not leave the numbering up to HTML + CSS to interpret - hard code the values instead. Forget about using lists - clauses are *not* list items - and instead concentrate on marking the table up so that it linerises properly (i.e. each charge is preceded by it's descriptor). I believe it is a layout table (basically to line up the charges to the right) *not* a data table because the header cells of item and charges GST.. can both be removed without loss of meaning for the table. Therefore, I recommend you not add any special markup to it.(OK maybe the GST included part is important - put it in the caption). kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
Vicki Berry said: Yes, definitely, I just don't know how to mark it up so I can keep my lists and the table. The In you dreams solution. Any chance it can be rewritten in *plain english* to remove the redundant clauses and overuse of numbering? Example: clause 1(b)is already *explicitly* described by clause 1(a). The It's a legal document and can't be changed or Written by laywer-types for lawyer-types solution. Because the document is written in leagalise I would not leave the numbering up to HTML + CSS to interpret - hard code the values instead. Forget about using lists - clauses are *not* list items - and instead concentrate on marking the table up so that it linerises properly (i.e. each charge is preceded by it's descriptor). I believe it is a layout table (basically to line up the charges to the right) *not* a data table because the header cells of item and charges GST.. can both be removed without loss of meaning for the table. Therefore, I recommend you not add any special markup to it.(OK maybe the GST included part is important - put it in the caption). kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
On 05/01/2006, at 1:04 AM, Vicki Berry wrote:
http://www.mrc.wa.gov.au/services/fee_schedule.html
The first decision to make is: is the numbering part of the content?
By this I mean does it have to be exact - if this is legislation then
you may well have to ensure the numbers appear, then you have to
write them into the content, rather than adding it with css.
If this is the case, then a lot of your issues go away, as you don't
have the issue of 'is at an ordered list or a table'.
I think it is a table, however if you really want to make it an
ordered list, I would think that something like:
hnNon Compacted Waste/hn
ol
liTrailer 1.8m x 1.2m or less (per wheel of truck or trailer)span
class=price17.10/span/li
liTrailer larger than 1.8m x 1.2m (per wheel of truck or trailer)
span class=price17.10/span/li
/ol
span.price {
float: right;
width: 4em;
text-align: left;
}
** caveat: untested **
would allow you to float the prices right while associating them with
the item.
HIH
Lea
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[WSG] New to Standards.
Hi list, For about 8 years I've been working with HTML and web-related languages. One day I discovered CSS and learnt (not much) about it, but I never realized how powerful it is. Little time ago something called Web Standards called my attention, causing me a very strong curiosity. That's why I started investigating (and found this list in the process), but never found material that introduced the subject from scratch, for a beginner. Now I'm writing to this list to ask for books, eBooks, links, and every piece of information that could help me to learn and understand Web Standards and not feel like an ignorant when I read the posts sent to the list, and, in a not-far future, help others too. Thanks in advance everyone, AlvAro ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] New to Standards.
Try this: www.w3schools.com It helped me a lot in the beginning. Cheers Paolo
RE: [WSG] New to Standards.
Hi Alvaro, A really good book that I'm sure has taught many of us lots is Jefferey Zeldman's book Designing with Web Standards. It introduces everything from a beginner's view, moving from tables to more standard markup and more css. Eric Meyer on CSS is also a brilliant book. Rachel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alvaro Mouriño Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2006 3:45 p.m. To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] New to Standards. Hi list, For about 8 years I've been working with HTML and web-related languages. One day I discovered CSS and learnt (not much) about it, but I never realized how powerful it is. Little time ago something called Web Standards called my attention, causing me a very strong curiosity. That's why I started investigating (and found this list in the process), but never found material that introduced the subject from scratch, for a beginner. Now I'm writing to this list to ask for books, eBooks, links, and every piece of information that could help me to learn and understand Web Standards and not feel like an ignorant when I read the posts sent to the list, and, in a not-far future, help others too. Thanks in advance everyone, AlvAro ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] New to Standards.
Hi AlvAro, The WSG Resources section is a good place to start: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ :) Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] New to Standards.
Hi Alvaro Now I'm writing to this list to ask for books, eBooks, links, and every piece of information that could help me to learn and understand Web Standards and not feel like an ignorant when I read the posts sent to the list, and, in a not-far future, help others too. The Web Standards Group's website has a lot of resources and links to sites that deal with web standards. You might start at http://webstandardsgroup.org/standards/ and follow the link From hacks to web standards - A web designers journey. Sounds like that's just what you are looking for. Also look at the Resources section of the Group's site. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] New to Standards.
http://www.alistapart.com/ 2006/1/5, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Alvaro -- .: marcello.côcu ..: IPwd - stúdio de webdesigner ...: http://ipwd.ppg.br ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
Hi Terrence, Because the document is written in leagalise I would not leave the numbering up to HTML + CSS to interpret - hard code the values instead. I don't know *why* I didn't see this for myself. Thanks for pointing it out. Forget about using lists - clauses are *not* list items They're not? But ok, I've forgotten about using lists. :-) I believe it is a layout table (basically to line up the charges to the right) *not* a data table because the header cells of item and charges GST.. can both be removed without loss of meaning for the table. Actually I do think it should be a data table. At the moment it's a layout table pretending to be a data table but there is a direct relationship between the data in each column and the column headers are, IMHO, necessary. Thanks for your reply... it makes it easier! -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
Hi Lea, I am very relieved to have now got the point that the numbering should be part of the content. Doesn't that make (my) life so much simpler? :-D Thanks for taking the time to help. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
On 5 Jan 2006, at 4:54 PM, Vicki Berry wrote: Forget about using lists - clauses are *not* list items They're not? But ok, I've forgotten about using lists. :-) I guess you could argue that it's a list of clauses ;-) but no, the numbering has a very specific meaning that needs to be maintained. It's similar to how you would not mark an entire document up as a list if it had numbered headings. I believe it is a layout table Actually I do think it should be a data table. I would argue that 'item' is not much of a header - it's kinda self evident once you get past the caption. Try my one-second test for layout vs. data tables which goes like this: Would I put this table into a spreadsheet? If you answer no, then it is most likely a layout table. Ultimately your call though Vicki. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Claiming compliance when a site doesn't' actually comply
I'd be interested to know what this group's take is on a practice I seem to find more and more. You go to a site, and it proudly claims xhtml/css/wai compliance. You do a quick check, and discover that the code wouldn't pass xhtml 1.0 compliance, let alone the 1.1 strict they claim! Their css is a mess. And as far as WAI compliance, the number of sites claiming AAA that don't even meet A level is mind boggling. Then, there are those sites who actually technically meet some level of WCAG, but in such a way the site is in fact unusable... This upsets me on several levels. It can only impact negatively on those of us who actually do make sites that comply. If non-compliant sites claim compliance, it dilutes the effect of claiming compliance for those who do comply. But it also reflects on our competence. If so many people who claim compliance have apparently not a clue of what they are doing, how can a potential client be sure that the next guy (you, me) claiming they know what they are doing actually does? Perhaps this is a pointless rant, but it's seriously getting under my skin this week. Thanks for any feedback on this :) Nic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Claiming compliance when a site doesn't' actually comply
Nic wrote: You go to a site, and it proudly claims xhtml/css/wai compliance. You do a quick check, ... Gosh. Don't do that!!! Just think of all the hard work those poor web designers had to do just to get hold of those buttons and create those links. Might have taken them several minutes ;-) Some of them even believe their own claims, while the others - well it's hard to tell... Cluelessness comes to mind, and claims are easy to make as long as nobody holds one to them. Nobody does, you know. My position is: never mind what others know or do or claim as long as they don't ask for your opinion. It's most often a waste of time anyway. It's what _we_ know and do that matters, and _we_ better know what we're doing - or we better ask someone who have the knowledge we're missing. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
