I have some tunes where abc2ps gives me "underfull (XXXpt of XXXpt) in
line X". the tunes are formattet with lineshift after each 4 bars, and
admittedly doesn't have much going on in the offending lines. But my
problem is that the lines are not justified to the right margin, they just
stop
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, John Atchley wrote:
snip
As for notating when the guitarist should shut up, either "tacet" or a
quarter-rest symbol printed on the chord line works for me.
Maybe I should try that with my guitarist:)
snip
--
Atte André Jensen
"I don't think Microsoft is evil in
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Derek Lane-Smith wrote:
| It seems to me that abc is an ideal format for building a library of New
| Orleans Jazz standards. Does anyone know of such a database? Or of one in
| some other format that is accessible, and that can be
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not sure I'd agree that it's off-topic. This is the "ABC users" list,
i.e., it's about a specific computerized music notation. Discussing
how to get software properly installed on users' machines strikes me
as highly relevant to such a list.
So basically you're saying that I really shouldn't worry 'bout the
electric chair and the like :-) I almost feel like giving in... Does
anybody else here have oppions on this? Maybe someone is even able to
pipe me a link from some kind of legal instance that deals with this.
You might think I'm
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Bob Smither wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Frank Nordberg wrote:
:Subject: [abcusers] Strange abc2ps error
:I just got this error message from abc4mac:
:+++ Too many symbols; increase maxSyms, now 800
:I have some idea what it means, but how can I correct it?
I had a
On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Frank Nordberg wrote:
Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
"I don't think Microsoft is evil in itself; I just think that
they make really crappy operating systems." - Linus Torvalds
Are you really, really sure about that ?
What? Do you think MS's also evil :-)
--
I blush, you're right off course. Stupid me Still I don't know which
sucker sneaked into my filestystem and changed that meter setting while I
was sleeping ;-)
On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, John Atchley wrote:
Try changing the M: field to 4/4 ;-)
On Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:23 PM, Atte Andre
Hi
I've started using abc (actually abcm2ps) for writing charts for a
big band. So now I need some tools to manipulate the voices individually,
for instance spit a file up in the individual voices, and then some way of
combining the separate voices back into one file would be nice. Does such
a
On 25 Jan 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
Atte == Atte Andre Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Atte I've started using abc (actually abcm2ps) for writing charts
Atte for a big band. So now I need some tools to manipulate the
Atte voices individually, for instance spit a file up
On 30 Jan 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
I agree that in ABC, where the assumption is that what the user enters
is what a printing program should print, it's a bug. This is a case
which does demand some special code.
Alternatively, the standard could address the problem in such a way
as to
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Phil Taylor wrote:
Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
But how do *you* work with midifiles then?
I put in the necessary accidentals to make it play properly, even though
they are redundant in the printed version.
:-(
It's a fairly rare occurrence.
If your music is either very
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Rick Davis wrote:
My question is - when I take the ps output of abc2ps and run it through ps2pdf,
the resulting pdf makes the first and second ending bars into closed rectangles,
the bottom part of which runs straight through the chords I have there.
I don't really
Hi,
maybe it's not a big achievement, but I just made abc2abc (1.13) crash, by
hitting it with this:
X:1
T:Crash abc2abc with -t 2
M:4/4
L:1/4
C:Atte André Jensen
K:D
A#/Bz2 z2 |
I don't see anything wrong in the example (do any of you?), so I think we
have ourselves a bug...
--
Atte
To
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, John Chambers wrote:
| snip I'm not up to
| date with the work on the standard, is there still a commission
| working on what to include in the standard? I really think this work is
| extremely important if abc is to have any future.
What seems to have happened is more
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Phil Headford wrote:
I can't understand why I've read so many emails on this topic.
ABC quite clearly differentiates between slurs and ties (which
is more than stave notation does), but some player somewhere
interprets ^F-|F as (^F|=F). So?
The whole thing started with
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Thomas Bending wrote:
snip the VirtualKB keyboard manager,
which is free (and not by me).
I couldn't download it, it it just me, or is the file no longer on the
server?
--
Atte
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On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Luis Pablo Gasparotto wrote:
I think the problem isn't the ABC-to-MIDI parsing because programs like
abcMIDI allows you to define chords using
%%MIDI chordname
in the tune head.
So if you like to use an m7(b5) chord like Cm7(b5) you will need to add:
%%MIDI chordname
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, John Chambers wrote:
Dave Musgrave asks:
| Hi! I'm a new ABC users (fiddle player.) Any way to annotate slides up =
| to a note? I'm using Jim Vint's program.
Dunno about that program, but abc2ps has used J for this ornament for
some years. Are there any other
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, John Chambers wrote:
Luis Pablo Gasparotto writes:
| I think the problem is in the ABC-to-ABC stuff when transposing chords.
| I transpose Cm7(b5) six steps up (ninth for alto saxophone) this chord
| becomes in Am7(gb5). It parses b like a note and not like a flat.
This
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, James Allwright wrote:
On Sun 03 Mar 2002 at 10:26AM -0300, Luis Pablo Gasparotto wrote:
I think the problem isn't the ABC-to-MIDI parsing because programs like
abcMIDI allows you to define chords using
%%MIDI chordname
in the tune head.
So if you like to use an
On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Luis Pablo Gasparotto wrote:
Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
I also proposed one, didn't catch on. I don't think the reason is the
above. I think only very few people use abc for jazz.
You are right but I'm one of these few people.
Me too...
--
l8er
Atte
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On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cdim7 = C,_E,_G,__B
You're absolutely right, and if you lower the whole thing you get
Cbdim7 = _C,__E,__G,___B
Never in practical use, right? Wrong! A very common way to go to
2nd degree in jazz is by bIIIdim so in Ab you get Cm7 Cbdim Bbm7.
First: thanks for a really reasonable posting!
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, John Chambers wrote:
Atte writes:
|
| - people who can't distinguish between a single standard that allows
| chords to be machine-readable, and 'you've left my pet notation out'
|
| I also proposed one, didn't catch on.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Phil Headford wrote:
I've written a program to strip out all guitar chords and
[ABC] chords, so I can work out whether one of the harmony
lines carries a detectable melody. For useful markings like
Finish on A music, the program merely ignores guitar
chords that begin
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Ulf wrote:
Any comments welcome, esp if anyone has an idea on how to legalize the
site.
Well, there might be a minor problem there.
You know how things went with www.lyrics.ch, a sad affair. I have grasped a
vast number of lyrics from that server. Now it's gone...
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, John Chambers wrote:
Atte writes:
| On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Ulf wrote:
| Any comments welcome, esp if anyone has an idea on how to legalize the site.
|
| Well, there might be a minor problem there.
|
| This will not go away :-) I might move it to a new secret
Hi all
I just stumbled upon a nice format (+free software) for handling lyrics
with chords above. FYI it's code bacically looks like this
[C]Love me tender, [D]love me...
So the software makes a ps file with a C above the letter L og Love and so
on.
Anyway, I'd like my php-enhanced site to be
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
Well, after keeping it secret for ages (copyright, you know), I might as
well hit you with this one:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/atte/songbook
Any comments welcome, esp if anyone has an idea on how to legalize the
site.
Looks like good stuff from
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
I assume Muse would need something similar
to BarFly. Most of the material doesn't really need to have the
chords separated into a different voice, and many more programs
could handle
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
Is it possible to compile and use abcm2ps on a mac ?
Assuming it's a fairly conventional workstation Unix program:
Getting it to run under MPW (Apple's development environment, with
a sort of shell for running software developed under Unix) might
On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, I. Oppenheim wrote:
Maybe the list can be setup such that only subscribers
can send mail to me. I'm already receiving enough spam
without this list.
Sounds like a good idea! Since I believe there is no way to read the list
without being subscribed, this couldn't affect
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Ulf wrote:
Hi,
I'm so proud of this one, I simply have to give it away, believe me: it was
not easy to make...
Hey, great! I did find room for improvements IMHO, though:
1) Changed the formatting arround so the 1st and 2nd ending is together on
one line + try to keep 4
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Ulf wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 1. Mai 2002 15:55 schrieb Atte Andre Jensen:
snipand guess everybody (except me) writes stuff like
| A AmC4 |
Not me, I write
| C A- Cdim A- Dm7 A- G9 A- | C6 A2 z2 |
Which is, by the way, also ugly...
True :-)
--
l8er
Atte
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Wil Macaulay wrote:
if your software supports non-printing rests (BarFly, Skink) you can write
| AC4 Amx |
Hey, that's pretty clever! Although is looks broken (5 notes to a 4/4
bar). And I was pretty amazed the abc2midi actually played it fine (pretty
hip harmonization
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
I think abc's biggest shortcomming is the fundamental of only being
able to put a chord where there is a melody-note. I consider this a
major bummer, and guess everybody (except me) writes stuff like
| A AmC4 |
Not me, I write
| C A- Cdim
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Buddha Buck wrote:
At 06:35 PM 05-01-2002 +, John Chambers you wrote:
It's interesting... in response to Jeff's message, I've seen lots of people
comments on his choice for the title of ABC's biggest handicap, but no
comments on his proposal to fix his particular
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Phil Taylor wrote:
The real problem with abc is that there isn't enough time in a lifetime.
Actually when I think it over, abc's biggest problem is that it's too nice
to let go...
--
love, peace harmony
Atte
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On Fri, 10 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 09,May/02 7:56 pm, you wrote:
Yes it is, but its not a full-blown HOWTO, just a web page with some
hopefully useful stuff on it. I don't have the URL to hand, but there
is a link to it from the abcMIDI home on sourceforge :
On Sun, 12 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just looked at the online jazz song book
(http://home.wanadoo.nl/atte/songbook/) and I was curious about how one
of the fields was to be interpreted. The abc file has:
v:chords Am x4 GMaj x4| ...
v:melody abcd defg|...
You mean V:
And then
On Sun, 12 May 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello -
I saw your email on a website I visited yesterday, and thought
you might be interested in this.
Maybe it's about time the list is set up so only subscribers can mail to
the list???
--
love, peace harmony
Atte
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On Tue, 14 May 2002, Phil Taylor wrote:
Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
Which? [other ways than abcm2ps' to merge voices...]
In BarFly, you put the word merge (without the quotes) in a V: field in the
header to have this voice drawn on the same staff as the previous one. You
can also control
On Thu, 16 May 2002, Don Parrish-Bell wrote:
Interesting e-mail, but I don't read whatever language you sent this to
me in. LOL. Could you perhaps translate it to English for me?
I say it again: mean it could we change the behaviour of the list so
that non-subscribers cannot post/mean it???
On Thu, 16 May 2002, Don Parrish-Bell wrote:
Hi,
I hope you are not referring to me as a non-subscriber .. I just subscribed
yesterday.
No, no, no, no. Please forgive me if that's how it sounded. You are most
welcome here
But recently we started receiving spam (like the one you replied
Here we go again... Tony?? Are you out there?
Anyways seems this is leading nowhere, and since I don't know the exactly
correct way of handling this Í propose the following:
1) Let's vote about what the opinion is with spam. Do you think it's a
good idea that only subscribers can post here.
2)
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Toni Schilling wrote:
I think that anyone who writes to list should be intrested
in getting response. So it's no problem, if only subscribers
can post to the list
Is that a yes-vote?
--
love, peace harmony
Atte
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I just got off the mail with Toby, and the lists behavior is now changed
so that only subscribers can post to the list. That should get rid of
funny Russian stuff + the 10 followups from list members.
Now back to the music - where were we :-)
--
love, peace harmony
Atte
To
On Sun, 19 May 2002, John Chambers wrote:
Atte writes:
| I just got off the mail with Toby, and the lists behavior is now changed
| so that only subscribers can post to the list. That should get rid of
| funny Russian stuff + the 10 followups from list members.
|
| Now back to the music -
On 19 May 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
And I should also mention that we can have as many mailing lists as we
want at the Sourceforge site, as long as they're vaguely related to a
sourceforge project.
Then I think we should go for that. Those lists are working pretty fine...
--
love, peace
On Mon, 20 May 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
Is there some abc software for percussion notation?
Except for standard stuff like the Xs or other strange symbols
for cymbals, etc. and except for rolls, I'm not sure there is
anything you couldn't notate with standard ABC. Maybe there's
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
It's fairly standard to have an empty rectangle instead as a clef
for perc-stuff. Also if you notate a drumkit, it's nromally done in
a regular five-line system with this drum-clef. I saw quite some
drum-books that did it this way, and somewhere in
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
It's fairly standard to have an empty rectangle instead as a clef
for perc-stuff. Also if you notate a drumkit, it's nromally done in
a regular five-line system with this drum-clef. I saw quite some
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
Perhaps the merging Atte wants might be a display option, the way staff
merging is in abcm2ps and BarFly, but it shouldn't be forced onto kinds
of music where it's completely alien. A Highland pipe band drum corps
would most likely regard a piece of
On Thu, 23 May 2002, John Walsh wrote:
snip
E.g., the drum clef could
even use x for the note-heads and * for invisible rests...if they're
needed. It won't break any existing tunes, since no-one has used the drum
clef yet.
Possible, but IMHO ugly...
--
love, peace harmony
Atte
To
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Laurie (ukonline) wrote:
Well as Muse already has diamond, cross square (oh, and the usual ellipse)
for note heads, the answer is about minus three years for the formatting,
GUI editing, printing, etc.
How does the abc look for this in muse?
For the playing - that
On Fri, 24 May 2002, John Chambers wrote:
This could be generalized easily within abc,
by something like clef=perc lines=2.
Nice! Remember that lines=0 is also a possibility! Having rhytmic accents
without any line above other music. I actualli quite often miss this
feature.
--
love, peace
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Phil Taylor wrote:
What is the significance of the two different note heads?
Standard... It seems that everybody is using x'ed noteheads for cymbals
and hihats, so if you just write it with regular noteheads it's gonne look
real funny to a drummer.
If you want percussion
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Jack Campin wrote:
The point of ABC is to notate music, not music notation.
Sorry, to interrupt, but why did you propose the i and j modifiers then?
That to me would be music notation and not notating music...
--
love, peace harmony
Atte
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On Sat, 25 May 2002, Laurie (ukonline) wrote:
Atte Andre Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wroteI don't care how my abc playes,
and looking back on the descussion about ^f-|f a couple of months ago
obviously abc2midi is only to be considered a toy, so I guess the rest of
the comunity feels the same
On 25 May 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
abc2ly enables you to get both printed and played music from abc. I
haven't fixed the ^F-|F problem yet, although it's on my list, but it
certainly doesn't have the F F problem.
Hmm. I looked at your page quite some times, and thought what you do made
On Sat, 25 May 2002, John Chambers wrote:
Isn't this slicing your baloney rather thin?
I don't get it...
--
love, peace harmony
Atte
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On Mon, 27 May 2002, John Chambers wrote:
Atte wrote:
| On Sat, 25 May 2002, John Chambers wrote:
| Isn't this slicing your baloney rather thin?
|
| I don't get it...
Oh, yeah; I guess it's a somewhat obscure English metaphor. In common
American speech, at least, baloney isn't
As you prob know I'm one extremely happy abc user. Yesterday I showed a
friend of mine my songbook, and he liked it, but had to ask If abc is so
cool, how come I haven't heard of it? Anyways I tried to give me a couple
of reasons to get into abc, but I prob missed some good ones, so please
make
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
As you prob know I'm one extremely happy abc user. Yesterday I showed a
friend of mine my songbook, and he liked it, but had to ask If abc is so
cool, how come I haven't heard of it? Anyways I tried to give me a couple
of reasons to get into abc
On 4 Jun 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
snip
In ABC, I think I'm faster when I'm typing in the octave that
doesn't use the capital letters, and I'm certainly faster when I don't
have to enter the commas or the apostrophes.
So is anyone working on an ABC application that allows this?
Or better
On 4 Jun 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
Atte == Atte Andre Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Atte So instead of:
Atte CDEF | GABc | c2G2 | c2C2 | c2c2 |
Atte you do:
Atte Cdef | gabc | c2g2 | c2c,2 | c'2c2 |
Now a data entry mechanism that took your second line and turned
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Frank Nordberg wrote:
Hmmm, I feel a bit bad about spoiling the party, but:
Oh, just as we were padding each other so gently on the back, you naughty
you :-)
* stuff like my songbook (server generated pdf's in 12 keys) are AFAIK not
really possible using Finale
That
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Don Parrish-Bell wrote:
---Actually I was referring to the horizontal spacing for each measure. Even in PDF
format, the sheet music seems a bit cramped when you print it out. I suppose what
I'm
really after, then, is a formating tool with preferences I can tinker with.
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Wil Macaulay wrote:
Version 1.0a4 of Five Line Skink is available - link from
http://www.geocities.com/w_macaulay/abc4mac.html
I tried it out, and obviously there are quite a few things missing, but
you're aware of that...
In general I like the look-n-feel and the design
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Wil Macaulay wrote:
Thanks Atte. Just out of interest, what platform are you running it on?
Linux Mandrake 8.0. It worked perfectly right out of the box, although it
took me some time to figure out how to install Java...
As to freeware vs. shareware, I see benefits and
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Wil Macaulay wrote:
Any interest in having Skink as a 'front end' for a command-line tool? in other
words, use Skink to enter, proof read and proof-listen, and then invoke abcxxps
for final output?
I thought about mentioning that, but didn't dare :-) But since you ask:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Don Parrish-Bell wrote:
Again, I think you guys might be misunderstanding what I was complaining about. The
length of a whole line can essentially be stretched out by adjusting the scaling of
the
PDF image before you print it.
I think you are misunderstanding us :-)
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Don Parrish-Bell wrote:
Ok, Atte. I will check that out when I get to it. So it's possible to adjust
existing abc
tunes without major rewrites?
Yep :-)
A more global way of setting up the note-to-note spacing?
Basically the abc file contains no information about
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Forgeot Eric wrote:
- an ambiguous name (there is many thinks not related to music
with abc in it, so it gives bad clues in websearch : lilypond or
mup are unique and more original names (I guess))
google, with abc and notation seems to be enough:
I decided I wanted to create an efficient layout using the whole page
(A4) in abcm2ps, but there are some things I just can't figure out. The
fact that my printer is dead doesn't make it easier...
I used to have
pageheight27.94cm
pagewidth 21.59cm
scale 0.65
topspace
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Guido Gonzato wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
Could someone inform me *exactly* settings will make abcm2ps fill the
A4-paper as much as possible???
I was puzzled by the same problem, and I found out that abcm2ps is not to
blame. The problem lies
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Guido Gonzato wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
Only thing: I don't have a file ps2pdfwr at all. Could the same be
achieved by calling psdpdf with -sPAPERSIZE=a4 or something like that?
yes, I think so. Please let me know, so that I can include
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Phil Taylor wrote:
John Chambers wrote:
GIF is only used because browsers understand it.
No, it's used because it's the most efficient way of compressing a
black and white (or 256 colour) picture into a small file.
True in low resolution files, but not in print
On 22 Jun 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
laurie == laurie griffiths Laurie writes:
laurie Why does transposition need to understand the mode?
Currently, the abc2midi transposer only understands the key
signature. So if I have a piece in D dorian, and I transpose it up 3
half notes, the
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Don Parrish-Bell wrote:
yes, and cursed be those who would wish to force us to play in Eb on guitar! I
often
wondered is those chords on some sheet music were put there by someone who has never
played guitar!
Or maybe they were put there on some one who has played so
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Ulf wrote:
I have nearly finished a new manual: Typesetting Music with ABC,
preliminary version available in PDF format from
http://abcplus.sourceforge.net.
Excellent work !!! Congratulations!
I'll stick to the Italian version. It is extremely easy to understand.
On 4 Jul 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
In any case, there isn't a problem getting the abc back to the system
in linux. I do my regular backup. Then, for the wordsmith doc, I run
text2pdbdoc -d. The PalmABC database isn't a doc file, but I found
that running strings on it produces the ABC with
On 7 Jul 2002, Laura Conrad wrote:
Frank == Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Atte By now I'm almost error free when typing notes, so I don't
Atte need any of the two available palm abcs.
Which is the other one?
http://www.palmabc.ganderband.com
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