Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-08-02 Thread Ian Parker
On 1 August 2010 21:18, Jan Klauck jkla...@uni-osnabrueck.de wrote: Ian Parker wrote McNamara's dictum seems on the face of it to contradict the validity of Psychology as a science. I don't think so. That in unforseen events people switch to improvisation isn't suprising. Even an AGI,

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-08-02 Thread Matt Mahoney
...@gmail.com To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 11:54:25 AM Subject: Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations Jan I can see that I didn't state one of my points clearly enough... On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Jan Klauck jkla...@uni-osnabrueck.de wrote: My simple (and completely

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-08-02 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Matt Mahoney matmaho...@yahoo.com wrote: Steve Richfield wrote: I would feel a **LOT** better if someone explained SOME scenario to eventually emerge from our current economic mess. What economic mess?

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-08-01 Thread Jan Klauck
Ian Parker wrote McNamara's dictum seems on the face of it to contradict the validity of Psychology as a science. I don't think so. That in unforseen events people switch to improvisation isn't suprising. Even an AGI, confronted with a novel situation and lacking data and models and rules for

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-08-01 Thread Jan Klauck
Steve Richfield wrote Have you ever taken a dispute, completely deconstructed it to determine its structure, engineered a prospective solution, and attempted to implement it? No. How can you, the participants on this forum, hope to ever bring stability That depends on your definition of

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-08-01 Thread Steve Richfield
Jan, Ian, et al, On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Jan Klauck jkla...@uni-osnabrueck.dewrote: It seems that *getting things right* is not a priority for politicians. Keeping things running is the priority. ... and there it is in crystal clarity - how things get SO screwed up in small

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-08-01 Thread Jan Klauck
Steve Richfield wrote I suspect that this tool could work better than any AGI in the absence of such a tool. I see an AGI more as a support tool that collects and assesses data, creates and evaluates hypotheses, develops goals and plans how to reach them and assists people with advice. The

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-07-31 Thread Ian Parker
This echoes my feelings too. There is one other thing too. After my last posting I realized that what I was talking about was general mathematics rather than AI or AGI. Of course Polaris is AI, very much so, but Von Neumann's nuclear war strategy was an evaluation of Minimax. Mind, once you have a

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-07-31 Thread Steve Richfield
Jan, On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Jan Klauck jkla...@uni-osnabrueck.dewrote: This brings me to where I came in. How do you deal with irrational decision making. I was hoping that social simulation would be seeking to provide answers. This does not seem to be the case. Have you ever

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-07-31 Thread Ian Parker
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-jacobson/google-and-cia-invest-in_b_664525.html This is an interesting article. Rather too alarmist though for my taste. This in fact shows the type of social modelling I have in mind. The only problem is that third world countries interactions are *not* on the

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-07-30 Thread Ian Parker
The only real attempt that I know of was that of Von Neumann and games theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann. It was in fact Von Neumann who first suggested things like Prisoner's dilemma. This *games* approach led to the MADhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

Re: [agi] AGI Int'l Relations

2010-07-30 Thread Jan Klauck
Ian Parker wrote games theory It produced many studies, many strategies, but they weren't used that much in the daily business. It's used more as a general guide. And in times of crisis they preferred to rely on gut feelings. E.g., see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War How do you