Re: French school bans headscarf girls

2003-10-16 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 15 Oct 2003 at 13:33, Jon Gabriel wrote: And I see far too muich of that coming from America in these (just post 9/11 days), a chilling echo of the attacks themselves. Other than Guantanamo (about which I could rant at length), I haven't seen much of this from the average

Re: the Digital Imprimatur

2003-10-16 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 15 Oct 2003 at 21:33, The Fool wrote: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ Quick points: Only a few UK broadband services have any limits on what you can run, and a large minority of them give you a static (or sticky IP address). Objecting to public/private key

Re: French school bans headscarf girls

2003-10-16 Thread William T Goodall
On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 08:07 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: French school bans headscarf girls Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:03:58 +0100 It's nice to see somebody

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread David Hobby
ritu wrote: The Fool forwarded: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10 /15/wbish15. xmlsSheet=/news/2003/10/15/ixnewstop.html Terrorists can have serious moral goals, says Williams ... So where, when and how does he defend terrorism? I have read the entire

Re: Vatican Vs Science: 'condoms don't stop hiv / AIDS'

2003-10-16 Thread William T Goodall
On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 12:58 am, Reggie Bautista wrote: If I belong to an organization in which I believe strongly, or with which I agree strongly, when I see problems in that organization I don't turn coward and jump ship. I make my opinion of the problem known and try to fix it

Microsoft warns of 'critical' flaws

2003-10-16 Thread William T Goodall
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3196494.stm Critics say the company should design better software from the start, rather than rely on updates to fix security problems. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog :

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Hong Feng
The Chinese space agency just launched a man into Earth orbit. The agency should be congratulated! The taikonaut just returned Beijing safely. The entire process is very successful. This is good news, in that there may be more interesting crewed space exploration over the next

RE: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread Damon Agretto
So where, when and how does he defend terrorism? I have read the entire report and haven't come across a single statement that would count as defence of the terrorists? I think this is a bit of spin-doctoring by The Fool. Sort of the same nonsense that came about with the 1st Lady of

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread TomFODW
So where, when and how does he defend terrorism? I have read the entire report and haven't come across a single statement that would count as defence of the terrorists? I think he fails to recognize that use of terror, even in pursuit of otherwise understandable goals, negates those very

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert J. Chassell wrote: I had no idea that the US used those sorts of numbers in their raids - was this only after Okinawa was taken? Most of the other airfields used in the island hopping campaign were barely able to support a squadron of

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread TomFODW
In the European theatre the 8th Air Force launched its first 1000+ bomber raid in, I believe, late 1942. After that they were fairly routine in Europe and, I would assume, in Japan as well. I can't find my copy of Len Deighton's Bomber at the moment, or my other WWII books, so I can't look

Re: Vatican Vs Science: 'condoms don't stop hiv / AIDS'

2003-10-16 Thread Nick Arnett
William T Goodall wrote: I must have missed the announcement when the RC church became a democracy ... the RC church is not controlled by North American catholics. It never will be. If you want a more liberal church you'll have to have a schism and set up an American Pope :) There's always

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread The Fool
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where, when and how does he defend terrorism? I have read the entire report and haven't come across a single statement that would count as defence of the terrorists? I think this is a bit of spin-doctoring by The Fool. Sort of the same

RE: Pedro...

2003-10-16 Thread Horn, John
From: Doug Pensinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am now, though I'll be pulling for the Cubs (5 outs away) in the series. My Grandfather was a lifelong (frustrated) Cubs fan. Those last 5 outs didn't work out quite as planned... And I couldn't be happier. If the Cubs had met the Red

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread Damon Agretto
Sarcasm Yup. The Ends sure do justify the means. Yep. Every single time. /Sarcasm Or how about we should look at what he actually said in the presentation rather than relying on secondary sources before we pass judgement. I wouldn't make these sorts of replies to your posts if your bias

RE: Pedro...

2003-10-16 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Horn, John Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:01 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Pedro... From: Doug Pensinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am now, though I'll be pulling for the

RE: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hong Feng Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 07:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chinese manned space flight The Chinese space agency just launched a man into

Re: Something for Julia, especially

2003-10-16 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/comics/babyblues.html Yup. The half-gallon of juice I drink each day helps, though Plus I finish off a 20-oz. mug of water several times a day. Still doesn't keep me from feeling very

RE: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Damon Agretto
This is SO exciting, but its not getting much coverage here at all :( I wonder if that's because its a Chinese flight, or whether its an illustration of the public's (or the news media's) lack of interest in space exploration? :( Damon. =

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where, when and how does he defend

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Damon Agretto
According to http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/A1057367 the first 1000 bomber raid occurred in may 1942. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html

iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread William T Goodall
iTunes and the iTunes Music Store are now available to users of Windows XP and Windows 2000. Store still only sells in the USA. http://www.apple.com/itunes/ -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ A bad thing

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Chinese manned space flight This is SO exciting, but its not getting much coverage here at all :( I wonder if that's

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Damon Agretto
So, to get back to Damon's comments, let me ask a question. Why should a PR victory for a communist dictatorship elicit all that much interest? Well, not much from the west, I suppose, because there may very well be the idea of been there, done that. When you're sending shuttles into orbit

Re: Vatican Vs Science: 'condoms don't stop hiv / AIDS'

2003-10-16 Thread Reggie Bautista
William T. Goodall wrote: I must have missed the announcement when the RC church became a democracy ... the RC church is not controlled by North American catholics. It never will be. If you want a more liberal church you'll have to have a schism and set up an American Pope :) Fairly recent

Game 7 Thoughts

2003-10-16 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Does it get any better than this? It's going to be fun. My only regret is that we aren't seeing this in, say, 1999, when Pedro was at his peak and Clemens was much closer to it. As it is, Pedro is about half the pitcher he was three years ago (_damn_ the Red Sox for abusing his arm so much) and

Re: Chinese manned space flight (Spoilers for At the Core by Larry Niven

2003-10-16 Thread Reggie Bautista
Dan wrote: So, to get back to Damon's comments, let me ask a question. Why should a PR victory for a communist dictatorship elicit all that much interest? Because now there is another major player, a potential rival of our country, that is capable of independently putting a human being in space.

Re: Vatican Vs Science: 'condoms don't stop hiv / AIDS'

2003-10-16 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William T Goodall wrote: I must have missed the announcement when the RC church became a democracy ... the RC church is not controlled by North American catholics. It never will be. If you want a more liberal church you'll have to have a

Re: Chinese manned space flight (Spoilers for At the Core byLarry Niven

2003-10-16 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: Subject: Re: Chinese manned space flight (Spoilers for At the Core byLarry Niven I swear, there really were spoilers for At the Core in the original draft of this email... :-) Reggie Bautista Changed Plans Maru _ Fretting

Re: Vatican Vs Science: 'condoms don't stop hiv / AIDS'

2003-10-16 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William T. Goodall wrote: I must have missed the announcement when the RC church became a democracy ... the RC church is not controlled by North American catholics. It never will be. If you want a more liberal church you'll have to have a schism

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism So can one really have a good means to a bad end? I personaly do not believe this is

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where, when and how does he defend terrorism? I have read the entire report and haven't come across a single statement that would count as defence of the

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread Damon Agretto
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where, when and how does he defend terrorism? I have read the entire report and haven't come across a single

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism So can one really have a good

Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Damon

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Robert J. Chassell
(In World War II, the US used flights of 500 to 1000 manned bombers to destroy 62 cities [in Japan] and two [more] flights of one bomber each to destroy two more cities, using nuclear weapons.) Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: I had no idea

Scouted: Halliburton overcharging?!?

2003-10-16 Thread Deborah Harrell
/20031016/ap_on_go_co/halliburton_iraq_2 ...Reps. Henry Waxman of California and John Dingell of Michigan complained to the Bush administration that Halliburton's KBR subsidiary is billing the Army between $1.62 and $1.70 per gallon, while the average price for Middle East gasoline is 71 cents

L3 Re: Vatican Vs Science: 'condoms don't stop hiv / AIDS'

2003-10-16 Thread Reggie Bautista
Jan Coffey wrote: The problem with religious leaders changing their story, or changing the set accepted beliefes is But change is an absolute necessity. The Roman Catholic Church (RCC), or any church or any other human organization, needs to be able to react to events in the world around it,

RE: Scouted: Halliburton overcharging?!?

2003-10-16 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
having to bid for it wouldn't try to take advantage! And gasoline hasn't dropped to ~$1.40 here now that Labor Day is well past...(from ~$1.68 right before)shur http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20031016/ap_on_go_co/halliburton_iraq_2 ...Reps. Henry Waxman of California

Re: Chinese manned space flight (Spoilers for At the Core by Larry Niven

2003-10-16 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Chinese manned space flight (Spoilers for At the Core by Larry Niven Dan wrote: So, to get back to Damon's comments, let me ask a question. Why

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Chinese manned space flight (In World War II, the US used flights of 500 to 1000 manned bombers to destroy 62 cities [in Japan]

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Robert J. Chassell
My apologies; I confused who wrote A hard rain's a-gonna fall. Bob Dylan wrote A hard rain's a-gonna fall in 1963, not Joan Baez. However, I may well have heard her sing it, but maybe not. Oh, what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son? Oh, what'll you do now, my darling young one? I'm

Scouted - Space Exploration Act

2003-10-16 Thread Gary Nunn
Bill to Restore Vision for NASA's Human Spaceflight Program Excerpts from article Washington - Sep 10, 2003 press release by Nick Lampson After today's House Science Committee hearing on returning the Space Shuttle to flight, U.S. Rep. Nick Lampson re-introduced his Space Exploration Act.

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread Russell Chapman
William T Goodall wrote: iTunes and the iTunes Music Store are now available to users of Windows XP and Windows 2000. Store still only sells in the USA. http://www.apple.com/itunes/ Why USA only? It's not like there's shipping involved. Or security issues. Or the content is exclusively from

Re: Chinese manned space flight

2003-10-16 Thread Russell Chapman
Gautam Mukunda wrote: In the European theatre the 8th Air Force launched its first 1000+ bomber raid in, I believe, late 1942. After that they were fairly routine in Europe and, I would assume, in Japan as well. They started before that, and were common (if not routine) throughout much of the

RE: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Chapman Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 03:50 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: iTunes for Windo$e William T Goodall wrote: iTunes and the iTunes Music Store are now

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread Russell Chapman
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: I am. The hassle of all the backdoor spyware and the risk of viruses (at worst) from crappy p2p software is enough to drive me legit years ago... ok, that and a CD collection that, at last count, topped 1000... I honestly don't /need/ free music. Wow - where do you put

Re: Vatican Vs Science: 'condoms don't stop hiv / AIDS'

2003-10-16 Thread William T Goodall
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 08:07 pm, Reggie Bautista wrote: William T. Goodall wrote: I must have missed the announcement when the RC church became a democracy ... the RC church is not controlled by North American catholics. It never will be. If you want a more liberal church you'll

Spam techniques

2003-10-16 Thread Russell Chapman
I just got one of the common adult oriented spams, but I noticed this one had an odd to address: C:Program FilesLightSpeed MarketingSuperServer PlatinumMailingsListmaking Namesfirst male with last namessplit firstmail randomSplit first last for friendly froms 0003friendly

Re: fire paste

2003-10-16 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 08:48:14AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: My physics is far enough in the past that I'm probably going to screw this up (I'm sure Dan is going to correct me) but this doesn't seem all that remarkable, and I think he's completely misunderstanding what's happening. You

Re: Scouted - Space Exploration Act

2003-10-16 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Scouted - Space Exploration Act - Original Message - From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin Mail List [EMAIL

Re: fire paste

2003-10-16 Thread Erik Reuter
I meant paste, not foam. Duh! -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Game 7 Thoughts

2003-10-16 Thread Kevin Tarr
I had to work tonight. I grabbed my GE supertuner radio on the way out the door. The only local station carrying the game, 20 miles away, I couldn't get, but the NY CBS station 200+ miles away I could get fine. Couldn't listen much though, stupid customers what do they think this is a store?

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread TomFODW
In a message dated 10/16/03 6:51:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope they do well, but I wonder if, after years and years of free downloads, people are going to be willing to start paying. Some young people who think (if you can call it thinking) that they have some kind of a right

Baseball Questions

2003-10-16 Thread John D. Giorgis
O.k., I will admit to not being much of a baseball fan... in fact, I pretty much only watch the playoffs. Nevertheless, I would appreciate it if someone can answer either of the following questions: 1) Has anyone ever seen a Manager go to the mound, ask the Pitcher if he still has it, and seen

Re: Baseball Questions

2003-10-16 Thread Jan Coffey
Or better yet, why not put the ace in after the 3ed or 4th inning? --- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O.k., I will admit to not being much of a baseball fan... in fact, I pretty much only watch the playoffs. Nevertheless, I would appreciate it if someone can answer either of the

Re: Baseball Questions

2003-10-16 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Has anyone ever seen a Manager go to the mound, ask the Pitcher if he still has it, and seen the Pitcher say No. Yes, all the time, but it was obvious that Pedro was gassed. But he's Pedro - he's never going to ask out. It's not in his nature.

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread TomFODW
Who, exactly, is losing a lot of money from this stealing you are talking about? You don't suppose it is the creators of the music, do you? You think the only music being downloaded is from the major labels? That no independent labels and artists who release their own CDs are being ripped

RE: Archbishop of Canterbury defends Terrorism

2003-10-16 Thread ritu
Tom Beck wrote: So where, when and how does he defend terrorism? I have read the entire report and haven't come across a single statement that would count as defence of the terrorists? I think he fails to recognize that use of terror, even in pursuit of otherwise understandable

Re: Incompetence?

2003-10-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
Bryon Daly wrote: Sounds pretty convoluted to me. General idiocy/incompetence sounds much simpler. There's an old saying: Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. In politics, I think some partisans in both parties have a near opposite saying: Never dismiss

Pedro...

2003-10-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
...sure doesn't look very impressive to me. His post season ERA has to be up around 5 somewhere, he's too whimpy to pitch on 3 days rest, and his sportsmanship is questionable to boot. I was a Red Sox fan and a Yankee hater for most of my youth and into my adulthood, but I'm rooting for these

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread TomFODW
Do you think the most money is being stolen from independent labels? Does it matter? Why rip off from ANYONE? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 12:50:29AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it matter? Why rip off from ANYONE? Do you think the record labels ask that question? The RIAA? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread TomFODW
Do you think the record labels ask that question? The RIAA? And their iniquity justifies someone else's? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 12:55:18AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And their iniquity justifies someone else's? Do you think it is evil to contribute money to terrorists? -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: iTunes for Windo$e

2003-10-16 Thread TomFODW
Do you think it is evil to contribute money to terrorists? Um...non-sequitur? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___

Re: Pedro...

2003-10-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:41:42 -0700, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...sure doesn't look very impressive to me. His post season ERA has to be up around 5 somewhere, he's too whimpy to pitch on 3 days rest, and his sportsmanship is questionable to boot. I was a Red Sox fan and a Yankee