RE: Catholicism RE: Domestic Terrorism: was Great Britain

2004-02-29 Thread Bryon Daly
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:39 AM 2/28/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote: - The political differences between Catholic Church leadership and most Protestant leadership these days are rather small, leaving them mostly on the same side of the political aisle. Well, the leadership of the

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew said: You are calling Jan Jane, like its somehow sub-optimal to be a women. Actually, he isn't. He's calling Jan Jane because Jan keeps calling Erik by variants of his name with additional or alternative letters.

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jan Coffey
BULLY! Besides you want to talk about S/N ratio, You know, you keep talking about S/N and so I got to thinking, you know, I don't think it's others S/N, I think that your nyquist is just not high enough. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at

Re: empire time: a bedtime story

2004-02-29 Thread Richard Baker
Trent said: If there is a wormhole and one extrinsic observer experiences 10 years of subjective time and another extrinsic observer experiences 1000 years of subjective time then the wormhole must experience no less than 1000 years of subjective time. What you've written is somewhat

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:35:59PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: I can just imagine the outrage if I ever said that one of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that the opinions of homosexuals should be respected A statement in that respect

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 12:38:47AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: What I am seeing or think I'm seeing is that whatever side of an issue the Whitehouse falls on, you are right in there Rah Rah Rah. That's unfair and untrue, Rob. Don't misunderestimate JDG. He would certainly not support the

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:40:57AM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: It seems that you are almost arguing that the demonization of liberals by some conservatives somehow justifies treating conservatives on this list poorly or making them feel unwelcome. I disagree with this and would prefer the

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:17:44PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: Jeez Erik, you don't even know the guy. Andrew's a damn good fellow and not prone to noise. I can understand you not agreeing with him, but these knee-jerk retorts are just plain silliness on your part. And you don't read so

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Tom Beck
Judging by comments from John and Gautam recently, they do feel excluded sometimes, and surrounded at others. Being the social animals we are it is difficult to carry on when pressured like this. I'm not making comparisons to other situations where even more intestinal fortitude would be required.

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 02:40 AM 2/29/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote: * Disclaimer: Within reason. I admit that there are probably certain extreme views on certain topics that would cause me to want to make their supporters feel *very* unwelcome here. Can I take a guess as to what these might be? Perhaps supporters

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:34 PM 2/28/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: You still haven't specified which incentives we are discussing here. What specifics, in your opinion, should differentiate marriage and civil union? I haven't had the time to go through all 1,049 marital benefits provided by The Fool, but I did

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:37 PM 2/28/2004 -0700 Michael Harney wrote: Can you even listen to yourself here? we can reasonable deduce what a child capable of rational thought would reasonably expect This very clearly shows that this is not the child's expectations, but your expectations for that child. That's the

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:39 AM Subject: Re: A few new words of which this list is in need On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:17:44PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: Jeez Erik, you

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jim Sharkey
Jan Coffey wrote: I'm sorry if you take this personaly. I didn't take it personally. I just thought that engaging in fat jokes was even more childish than Erik's comment, and that it, in my mind at least, weakened your position and made you look bad. Jim

Re: Fascist Censorship spreading like Cancer thruout Gov't

2004-02-29 Thread Jim Sharkey
Julia Thompson wrote: We had to put a shield over the TV controls to keep Sam from playing with the power switch on the big TV. I hate to be that guy, but we just told the kids No on touching the TV controls until it sunk in. Granted, the shield would have been less time consuming... :) Jim

Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica

2004-02-29 Thread Jim Sharkey
Robert Seeberger wrote: Rush is not an easy band to get into. But when you do, the music speaks for itself. Really? I loved Rush from the first time I listened. To me, they *defined* nerd rock in the early 80's. :) -Judas Priest Good metal, Their hits were head and shoulders above the

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jim Sharkey
Erik Reuter wrote: Jane's posts Mmm, the sweet smell of eighth grade taunting. Let's see, we've had fat jokes and calling the other guy a girl. Can making fun of one another's mom be far behind? :) Jim Your momma's so fat she stepped on a dollar and made change Maru

Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica

2004-02-29 Thread Jim Sharkey
Matthew Bos wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: You like Slayer!? Neat. I have never had the response of neat whenever I say I listen to Slayer. New cool guitar orientated rock groups? The Darkness, and Los Lonely Boys. The Darkenss cracks me up. They're like the evil bastard child of Cinderella

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread The Fool
From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] As an aside, I think that the demonization of the opposing party isn't something restricted to just conservatives. I've known many liberals for whom conservative and republican re the c-word and r-word; people who, if you told them you were

Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica

2004-02-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Jim For those about to rock, we Maru you That's got to be in the running for the best Maru ever! xponent The

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A few new words of which this list is in need Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:39:55 -0500 On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:17:44PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: Jeez

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A few new words of which this list is in need Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:14:34 -0600 Travis Edmunds wrote: Ah, but if you have ever seen how flies

Re: Bush Administration suckered?

2004-02-29 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote The question is whether a year or more ago, he and/or the Iraqi National Council provided the US with `intelligence' that was designed to influence the US to act against Saddam Hussein's government and do so in a way that benefited

Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica

2004-02-29 Thread Jim Sharkey
Robert Seeberger wrote: From: Jim Sharkey For those about to rock, we Maru you That's got to be in the running for the best Maru ever! Hey, thanks! I didn't even know there was a contest going on! ;-) Now if I only knoew the origins of the Maru, I'd feel worthy of this great honor...

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: But children that are not produced by a mother and a father [like, for example, clones or twins] don't have a soul, so they should not have human rights :-))) What about twins that *are* produced by a mother and a father? :) Don't you watch Hollywood movies?

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Michael Harney wrote: Actually, I think religion is necessary to keep less enlighted individuals honest and lawful. Like those in the Islamic countries? :-P Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Stranger in a Strange Land :-) Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:38 AM 2/29/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: My preference is that people recognize the irony of my predicament when I am being criticized on Brin-L *simultaneously* for being insufficiently original in thought and also for being too original in thought. This paragraph is the key to a

Re: Catholicism RE: Domestic Terrorism: was Great Britain

2004-02-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:49 PM 2/28/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: At 12:39 AM 2/28/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote: - The political differences between Catholic Church leadership and most Protestant leadership these days are rather small, leaving them mostly on the same side of the political aisle. Well, the

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:26:43PM -0330, Travis Edmunds wrote: First of all, let me say that after getting to know Robert a bit in the last few months, I think he's a pretty cool guy. In direct contrast to you of course; and I'm not too sure that he posts much insincere psychobabble

Re: Bush Administration suckered?

2004-02-29 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:00 PM 2/29/2004 + Robert J. Chassell wrote: This does tell us that Chalabi is happy and suggests that he did not mind whether the intelligence was accurate. While that is n degrees to cavalier. The world is better off today than it was one year ago today. We should make no apologies

Re: List Criticims Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread David Hobby
John D. Giorgis wrote: ... I suspect that when technicalities help your side, you do in fact cheer. He's saying he _suspects_ you _may_ have a double standard. He is not attacking you, however. I've seen enough examples on the list this month of people attacking each other to be able to

Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-02-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Bitter Melons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 2/28/2004 6:23:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Their argument being that biology dictates that you are born with either tab A or slot B.* Biology designed tab A to fit into slot B, and biology didn't design two tab As or two slot Bs to fit

Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-02-29 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, your arguments really didn't support that. Take states rights, for example. Historically, it originated with the Southern apologist school of history arguing that the Civil war was fought over states rights. There are a myriad of reasons why

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Bryon Daly
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:40 AM 2/29/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote: * Disclaimer: Within reason. I admit that there are probably certain extreme views on certain topics that would cause me to want to make their supporters feel *very* unwelcome here. Can I take a guess as to

Race to the Bottom

2004-02-29 Thread The Fool
http://zeitblog.zeitgeist.com/archives/000155.html Lay off the Kool-aid Tom... Tom Friedman, the Pulitzer prize winning Op-Ed page columnist for the New York Times used to be such a smart guy. I think all the thin air he's been breathing with all that travel he does has given him brain-damage.

Re: Catholicism RE: Domestic Terrorism: was Great Britain

2004-02-29 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote: At 12:39 AM 2/28/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote: - The political differences between Catholic Church leadership and most Protestant leadership these days are rather small, leaving them mostly on the same side of the political aisle. Well, the leadership of the Catholic

Re: Fascist Censorship spreading like Cancer thruout Gov't

2004-02-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: We had to put a shield over the TV controls to keep Sam from playing with the power switch on the big TV. I hate to be that guy, but we just told the kids No on touching the TV controls until it sunk in. Granted, the shield would have been less

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Travis Edmunds wrote: I urge caution Erik. For Robert drinks from this spring regularly. And second time around he may not be so nice to the little piggy wiggy. Little piggy wiggy? Please. If Erik is a pig, he's Some Pig! Julia wondering how many people will miss the reference

Agence France-Presse claims US Kidnapped Aristide

2004-02-29 Thread The Fool
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8833298%255E1702,00.html US troops 'made Aristide leave' From correspondents in Paris March 1, 2004 HAITIAN leader Jean Bertrand Aristide was taken away from his home by US soldiers, it was claimed today. A man who said he was a caretaker for the

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-02-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: Its true that you can find some historian on any side of an issue. That doesn't mean that there is not a good way to determine what is likely, unlikely, and very very unlikely. For example, its quite unlikely that the Civil War was fought over states rights. The Civil

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jim Sharkey
Julia Thompson wrote: If Erik is a pig, he's Some Pig! I'd even argue he's Terrific! Jim That was an easy one Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
John wrote: I haven't had the time to go through all 1,049 marital benefits provided by The Fool, but I did mention that two key ones would be: 1) Reservation of the name marriage for heterosexual unions 2) Marriages having a preference, ceteris paribis, for unconnected adoptions of children.

Re: Bush Administration suckered?

2004-02-29 Thread Robert J. Chassell
I wrote the US looks at the moment to be gaining less than Iran has gained. This is the issue. and John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded I totally disagree: 1) The US has gained the peaceful strategic removal of its forces from Saudi Arabia That is true. However,

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-02-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: Dan Minette wrote: Its true that you can find some historian on any side of an issue. That doesn't mean that there is not a good way to determine what is likely, unlikely, and very very unlikely. For example, its quite unlikely that the Civil War was fought over states rights.

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:04:30 -0500 (EST), Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: If Erik is a pig, he's Some Pig! I'd even argue he's Terrific! Jim That was an easy one Maru Aye, not much of a tangled web... -- Doug ___

Re: Bush Administration suckered?

2004-02-29 Thread Robert J. Chassell
I wrote The analyses I have seen suggest that the US invaded Iraq in order to intimidate other Muslim countries and John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded 1) The DPRK is not a Muslim country. That is true, North Korea is not Muslem. Good point. If, as I think, the main

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: But children that are not produced by a mother and a father [like, for example, clones or twins] don't have a soul, so they should not have human rights :-))) What about twins that *are* produced by a mother and a father? :)

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-02-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Doug Pensinger wrote: Julia wrote: Dan Minette wrote: Its true that you can find some historian on any side of an issue. That doesn't mean that there is not a good way to determine what is likely, unlikely, and very very unlikely. For example, its quite unlikely that the Civil

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-29 Thread Jim Sharkey
Julia Thompson wrote: Alberto Monteiro wrote: Don't you watch Hollywood movies? For every group of _n_ identical twins, _n-1_ are Evil. wondering if the Olsen twins are the exception to that rule. Only in that they are *both* evil. :-D Jim Hated Full House Maru

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Tom Beck
Yes, probably, depending upon what exactly was being said by them. It'd be nice to be able to advocate totally free speech of any kind on the list, but I fear that would ultimately reduce the list to chaos. The ACLU might give me an F, I suppose, but I think any discussion *on this list*

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Alberto Monteiro wrote: Don't you watch Hollywood movies? For every group of _n_ identical twins, _n-1_ are Evil. wondering if the Olsen twins are the exception to that rule. Only in that they are *both* evil. :-D Jim Hated Full House Maru

Re: Stranger in a Strange Land :-) Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: Stranger in a Strange Land :-) Re: Tyranny At 12:38 AM 2/29/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: My preference is that people

Mars: A Water World? Evidence Mounts

2004-02-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/opportunity_evidence_040229.html Evidence that suggests Mars was once a water-rich world is mounting as scientists scrutinize data from the Mars Exploration rover, Opportunity, busily at work in a small crater at Meridiani Planum. That information may well be

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-02-29 Thread rchapman
Out of curiosity, and without wanting to get into the whole is it good/is it bad/is it fair thing: What is it that the people who complain about off-shoring (which is quite different to out-sourcing BTW) want done about it. Isn't America built on Free Enterprise? Are you going to tell these

LOTR wins 11 Oscars

2004-02-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
Tying Titanic and Ben Hur. xponent One Small Step For A Film Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: LOTR wins 11 Oscars

2004-02-29 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 2/29/2004 10:10:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tying Titanic and Ben Hur. xponent One Small Step For A Film Maru rob Now win 12 by showing everyone how dolphins can pilot a spaceship.

Re: Tyranny

2004-02-29 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:40:57AM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: It seems that you are almost arguing that the demonization of liberals by some conservatives somehow justifies treating conservatives on this list poorly or making them feel unwelcome. I disagree

RE: Race to the Bottom

2004-02-29 Thread ritu
The Fool wrote: Let's see India, China, or Russia belly up to the bar and pay their fair share of the hundreds-of-billions of dollars per year being stolen from the US Taxpayer to make outsourcing possible. What does 'belly up to the bar' mean? And I am not sure what you mean by the

Fwd: Orson Scott Card's take on Homosexual 'Marriage' and Civilization

2004-02-29 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html By Orson Scott Card February 15, 2004 Homosexual Marriage and Civilization A little dialogue from Lewis Carroll: When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more

A friendly neighborhood visit from the Hazmat team...

2004-02-29 Thread Bryon Daly
Yesterday evening, one of my neighbors (about 5 houses down) made quite an interesting discovery... She was cleaning out her garage, and found a hockey-puck sized container wedged in a crevice behind a workbench. She carried it about halfway across her yard before looking at it more closely

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jan Coffey
BULLY! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:17:44PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: Jeez Erik, you don't even know the guy. Andrew's a damn good fellow and not prone to noise. I can understand you not agreeing with him, but these

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A few new words of which this list is in need Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:14:34

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jan Coffey
BULLY! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:26:43PM -0330, Travis Edmunds wrote: First of all, let me say that after getting to know Robert a bit in the last few months, I think he's a pretty cool guy. In direct contrast to you of

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: I urge caution Erik. For Robert drinks from this spring regularly. And second time around he may not be so nice to the little piggy wiggy. Little piggy wiggy? Please. If Erik is a pig, he's

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-02-29 Thread Michael Harney
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Out of curiosity, and without wanting to get into the whole is it good/is it bad/is it fair thing: What is it that the people who complain about off-shoring (which is quite different to out-sourcing BTW) want done about it. For one, I want heavy penalties levied

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-02-29 Thread Michael Harney
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] BULLY! Now was this Bully! meant in the sense that you think Eric is someone who picks on people he thinks are weaker than him, or in the sense of strong agreement as was the expression used by President Theodore Roosevelt? :-) Michael Harney [EMAIL