From...
http://kidbasic.sourceforge.net/ :
KidBASIC is an easy to use version of BASIC designed to teach young children
the basics of computer programming. It uses traditional control structures
like gosub, for/next, and goto, which helps kids easily see how program flow-
control works. It has
Thanks Alberto. Hoping kidbasic will do some good.
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David Brin wrote:
Thanks Alberto. Hoping kidbasic will do some good.
But there isn't a Mac version - not yet.
Now an alert to all brinellers!
Catch the premiere of my NEW HISTORY CHANNEL SHOW --
The ArchiTechs!
My cable got The History Channel just a few months ago -
but I will
On 9/23/06, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maru wrote:
The Wikipedia entry for R is under GNU-S :-)
I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here,
marudubinski, I presume :-)
You forgot the Dr.! ...(Nah, I'm kidding.)
Ok, but if we want to use
Maru wrote:
The Wikipedia entry for R is under GNU-S :-)
I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here,
marudubinski, I presume :-)
but it's
actually at [[R (programming language)]]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_%28programming_language%29), like it
should (since
I don't know if this has already been suggested, but I have
recently learned the programming language R, and it seems that
it's exactly what you would like to use to teach your kids
how to use a computer:
(a) it's free and available for _all_ systems [M$, Linux, Mac]
(b) it's simple to use
(c)
I don't know if this has already been suggested, but I have
recently learned the programming language R, and it seems that
it's exactly what you would like to use to teach your kids
how to use a computer:
(a) it's free and available for _all_ systems [M$, Linux, Mac]
How about the good
Klaus Stock suggested:
OTOH, on more modern computers, one might teach the child OOA and
OOP with some Smalltalk system.
From...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk
Because of that the meaning of Smalltalk expressions using
binary messages can be different from their traditional
Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Klaus Stock suggested:
OTOH, on more modern computers, one might teach the child OOA and
OOP with some Smalltalk system.
From...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk
Because of that the meaning of Smalltalk expressions using
Hi brinellers! Glad to see you still in business!
I am very sorry to have neglected you in favor of that
darned, time-consuming blog.
http://www.davidbrin.blogspot.com/
In part because the political issues are so
important/urgent right now that I'll grab any
influence where I can get it.
Of
Although number one, M$oft, could be done with some public pressure -
or Apple doing it first - my vote is Four:
4) In order to keep using those textbooks (like my
son’s) that still have TRY IT IN BASIC exercises, one
reader had a fantastically simple suggestion. A
turn-key web site! “For
Hi,
WHILE we're on the subject of ancient programming languages AND their
relative merits, we might as well dip into that deep well of wisdom
regarding programming that poured forth from the nimble fingers of
Edsger Dijkstra:
How do we tell truths that might hurt?
For those of you who are thinking about implementing
an online BASIC interpreter, here's one that's
already
running:
http://www.pachesoft.com/rockerferbasic/
This is a great idea. But need to make a list of
attributes that such an implementation would need.
1. A good welcome page that gave
Dave Land wrote:
PS: The Good Doctor's eulogy for BASIC is mentioned in the
Maturity section of the Wikipedia entry for BASIC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC
Hmmm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BASICaction=history
... who is Dland? :-)
Now do the proper homework and
On 22 Sep 2006 at 8:22, David Brin wrote:
Only a small minority seemed at all interested in even
looking at my core idea, which was how to create a
nice, comfortable starting point for millions of kids,
so they could use their computers to do a little
COMPUTING for mild classroom
At 10:11 AM Friday 9/22/2006, Klaus Stock wrote:
OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code:
x := 1 / 3.
x := 3 * x.
x inspect.
Common sense tells us that the result is 0.999 - but Smalltalk insists
on 1.
Funny, that's exactly the example many books used
30-odd years ago to
On 23/09/2006, at 1:11 AM, Klaus Stock wrote:
OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code:
x := 1 / 3.
x := 3 * x.
x inspect.
Common sense tells us that the result is 0.999 - but Smalltalk
insists
on 1.
Um, .9* *is* 1.
Charlie
At 08:20 PM Friday 9/22/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 23/09/2006, at 1:11 AM, Klaus Stock wrote:
OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code:
x := 1 / 3.
x := 3 * x.
x inspect.
Common sense tells us that the result is 0.999 - but Smalltalk
insists
on 1.
Um, .9* *is* 1.
On 23/09/2006, at 11:52 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:20 PM Friday 9/22/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 23/09/2006, at 1:11 AM, Klaus Stock wrote:
OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code:
x := 1 / 3.
x := 3 * x.
x inspect.
Common sense tells us that the result is 0.999
At 09:02 PM Friday 9/22/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 23/09/2006, at 11:52 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:20 PM Friday 9/22/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 23/09/2006, at 1:11 AM, Klaus Stock wrote:
OTOH, consider the following Smalltalk code:
x := 1 / 3.
x := 3 * x.
x inspect.
On 9/22/06, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.
The Wikipedia entry for R is under GNU-S :-)
Alberto Monteiro
I hate to play the pedantic resident Wikipedia expert here, but it's
actually at [[R (programming language)]]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_%28programming_language%29),
... Especially when you subtract two nearly equal numbers.
Computers do, but do no programming environments take account of
this, by marking recurring numbers as such?
Anyone know how Mathematica works?
-- Ronn! :)
Ronn--
I believe it avoids decimal approximations unless they are
At 10:14 PM Friday 9/22/2006, David Hobby wrote:
... Especially when you subtract two nearly equal numbers.
Computers do, but do no programming environments take account of
this, by marking recurring numbers as such?
Anyone know how Mathematica works?
-- Ronn! :)
Ronn--
I believe it
On 08/05/2006, at 3:01 AM, The Fool wrote:
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/05/age-of-miracles-wonder.html
Only now it's insufficient. We'd like to make pixels move around on a
simulated CRT screen. And we DON'T want to do it using high-level
complex stuff like VISUAL BASIC. Old fashioned
On May 7, 2006, at 11:02 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 08/05/2006, at 3:01 AM, The Fool wrote:
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/05/age-of-miracles-wonder.html
Only now it's insufficient. We'd like to make pixels move around on a
simulated CRT screen. And we DON'T want to do it using
On 08/05/2006, at 9:26 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 7, 2006, at 11:02 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 08/05/2006, at 3:01 AM, The Fool wrote:
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/05/age-of-miracles-
wonder.html
Only now it's insufficient. We'd like to make pixels move around
on a
The Fool wrote:
I don't get it. QBasic came standard with MS-DOS 5-7.
But not with Mac...
BTW, I can find Linux compilers/interpreters for all languages
[C/C++, Fortran, Pascal, Perl, Python, Haskell, Prolog, etc],
but not BASIC. Maybe Mac lacks BASIC too. Can this be an
anti-M$ Conpiracy?
On 8 May 2006, at 12:28PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The Fool wrote:
I don't get it. QBasic came standard with MS-DOS 5-7.
But not with Mac...
BTW, I can find Linux compilers/interpreters for all languages
[C/C++, Fortran, Pascal, Perl, Python, Haskell, Prolog, etc],
but not BASIC. Maybe
On 08/05/2006, at 2:28 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The Fool wrote:
I don't get it. QBasic came standard with MS-DOS 5-7.
But not with Mac...
BTW, I can find Linux compilers/interpreters for all languages
[C/C++, Fortran, Pascal, Perl, Python, Haskell, Prolog, etc],
but not BASIC.
As for fibbonacci sequences a more correct function would be along
these lines:
(c) 2006 The Fool
' where fib(0) = 0
Function FibNum(Fib As Long) As Long
If (Fib 0) Then
FibNum = FibPos((Fib - 1))
Else '
FibNum = FibNeg(Fib + 1)
End If
End
Warren. Thanks. One guy at Apple has helped me with
a few of my problems. A few others linger on. I will
append a list of those, below.
As for BASIC, it's really simple. I want to show Ben
the line-by-line coding that started it all, and that
still lies deep in the heart of higher level
On May 8, 2006, at 1:09 PM, David Brin wrote:
Warren. Thanks. One guy at Apple has helped me with
a few of my problems. A few others linger on. I will
append a list of those, below.
Okay.
As for BASIC, it's really simple. I want to show Ben
the line-by-line coding that started it all,
BTW, I feel I need to apologize for my unnecessary and rather stupid
comment yesterday. I'm not usually that thoughtless. Sorry, all.
-- Warren
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--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heh. You do have to actually have a window open in
list view in order for that option to be
available, oddly enough.
Gotcha thanks.
3. Irritating in OSX! I pull a folder out of
another folder and put it on my desktop. IT
DOESNT SIT WHERE
On 5/8/06, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Fool wrote:
I don't get it. QBasic came standard with MS-DOS 5-7.
But not with Mac...
BTW, I can find Linux compilers/interpreters for all languages
[C/C++, Fortran, Pascal, Perl, Python, Haskell, Prolog, etc],
but not BASIC. Maybe
On May 8, 2006, at 2:04 PM, David Brin wrote:
The grid view on the Desktop behaves that way.
This is something that annoys me as well. With the
Desktop active, go back to the trusty View
options menu from View, and uncheck snap to
grid. Alternately consider changing the icon sizes
or
On 09/05/2006, at 1:14 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On May 8, 2006, at 2:04 PM, David Brin wrote:
The grid view on the Desktop behaves that way.
This is something that annoys me as well. With the
Desktop active, go back to the trusty View
options menu from View, and uncheck snap to
grid.
On May 8, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Never seen it. But then, I did a clean install of Tiger, I've heard
upgrading from Panther can be... odd.
I think that's the case for *all* of them. You need to fix permissions
first, and even then some things are apparently overlooked. IIRC
I use a brand new Mc G5 Big Iron machine, Tiger, three
weeks old.
(Had to buy the last Power PC chip machine!)
The speech dooodgie button pops up on startup and
won't go away.
The weird way icons shift on the desktop started right
out of the box.
--- Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa
BTW, I feel I need to apologize for my unnecessary and rather stupid
comment yesterday. I'm not usually that thoughtless. Sorry, all.
I, for one, Welcome the return of your stupid and unnecessary comments.
Which one was it anyway Maru
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/05/age-of-miracles-wonder.html
Only now it's insufficient. We'd like to make pixels move around on a
simulated CRT screen. And we DON'T want to do it using high-level
complex stuff like VISUAL BASIC. Old fashioned line coding, iterating
to move pixels according
Easy stuff first. I'm an OSX wonk and have been a while -- I
participated in the public beta, back before the century turned, when
my PowerBook, on its first load of the nascent OS, ran through a series
of UNIX (actually Darwin, which is Apple's version of FreeBSD, which is
technically not
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As to the BASIC question: I'll shoot you a counter-question: Why?
snip JavaSh!t and high level programming
Dr. Brin isn't interested in that high level stuff. Too complicated.
Not simple enough. Don't bring it up again or he'll start getting,
I'll ignore the ad hominem, but point out that OOP frameworks rock tha'
hizzouse. That's why I wrote a 500+ page book on the topic for
Osborne/McGraw-Hill, after all.
On May 7, 2006, at 5:54 PM, The Fool wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As to the BASIC question: I'll shoot
Also, in re Paul Simon.
I think _Graceland_ is probably his best work ever. Lasers in the
jungle, yes … but his human touch was and is astonishing. The
Mississippi Delta was shining like a National guitar … I am following
the highway to the cradle of the Civil War is a fantastic entrant
Dr. Brin,
I'm not sure if you're still interested in finding a BASIC interpreter, but
I thought I'd mention that I came across one I wasn't familiar with called
BBC Basic, a demo version of which is on one of the CD-ROMs attached to
the cover of the October 2004 issue of _PC Pro_ magazine. I
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure if you're still interested in finding a
BASIC interpreter,
Dave helped me solve the immediate problem with the
delightful Chipmunk Basic which, on a Mac, simply and
charmingly works. It clearly will fall down when I
later get to more
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 03:28:52PM -0700, Davd Brin wrote:
I think you all miss the point.
I think YOU miss the point. As I said, you can get BASIC on Linux if you
insist (actually, I just spent 30 seconds looking at Debian packages and
Debian has 2 free choices: Bywater BASIC
On Aug 11, 2004, at 6:55 PM, Davd Brin wrote:
I shall try ybasic, thanks.
But after the horror of trying xbasic and qbasic and
all the others, I do not expect much success. All
were created by techies who suffer from
techie-disease... an absolute assumption that
everyboddy who downloads their
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