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To: the List Moderator/Owner and SOME subscribers, but not all... I've really had it with the mean spirit of HATE on this list, and the overall lack of nettiquette for a group setting such as this. Moreso, I am disappointed in the List Moderator's calls on people who were making innocent comments. Instead of progression, there seems to be a serious digression of moral turpitude and there is little if any compassion. This list used to be something to look forward to, whether I agreed or not... whether Ihated the subject matter or not... Lately, and especially since election day,this list hasgotten out of hand and out ofcivility. If you call how this CTRL list is run,i.e. "civil"??? LOL then, you can have your kind of civility updwazoo. By the way, there is nothing wrong with my browser, unless there is something wrong with MSIE 5.5... so that issue is moot. Some here, I will truly miss... Some I will be glad to hear from no more. Of course, Iknow that SOME of you will be glad to see me go. And ... So be it. I bid you adieu. eagle 1 .
Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)
-Caveat Lector- LOL Johannes... You write swelling words that you will answer for some day. You can step on anything and everything but a true Christian. It is people like you who aimlessly swing swords, beheading Christians, yet you whine about the God of the Bible who you claim murders babies... You poor, Biblically illiterate soul. May the Father in heaven have mercy. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice) -Caveat Lector- Kansan is obviously a disciple of the 'fightin Jesus, of the One True True Religion. Is the One True God the Angry God of the Old Testament, who destroys babies, women, races? Is he the God of the New Testament (the pepsi lite God)? Is he the New Age God of theological illiterates? Is he the all-forgiving God of the Roman Catholics? The financially needy God of the televangelists? The All-Seeing God of the worried small children? The space God JHVH-1, sent from another star to destroy the Earth? Is he the God who whispers to all the schitzophrenics? Who knows? Who cares? Just forget about God the same way you should forget about Jesus. The New Millennia will be the new age of Atheism, Pantheism, anything but Christianity! . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones
-Caveat Lector- Kris, It's all a matter of what you believe... I believe that Al Gore is a thumb-sucking spoiled little baby brat that always got his way, until this election. Mumble and complain as you will about Dubya... he hasn't even been sworn in and you have already condemned him to the chopping block. I imagine that you will be surprised at his performance in the White House, though you will NEVER admit it at the end of four years, or perhaps eight... (whoever thought we'd have four years of Clinton, muchless eight???) And I figure that you won't much like what Dubya does, but I will lay wager that he won't embarrass the country with sex scandal, murder, and abusive drug habits... while in office. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: [CTRL] Deke Bones -Caveat Lector- Deke Bones Well, now ain't we all having fun, now. We just went through a farce of an election and now have the idiot son as our president-select. This effrontery to our republic has been brought to us by the same group of folks who killed Kennedy and have been involved in many of the major scandals of the last forty years. Actually parts of this group have been very close to levers of our executive branch since some of them stole a Presidential election over 100 years ago. You see, Rutherford B. Hayes, a Republican, who stole (historians do not quibble over this fact) the election of 1878 from Democrat Samuel Tilden, the popular vote-winner, was a member of the "oldest international secret fraternity of New England origin" DKE (Delta Kappa Epsilon). DKE is the only international fraternity that traces its roots to Yale. It was begun by fifteen students as a Junior Class society in 1844. At Yale it has been a recruiting ground for the German -related Senior Class secret society, Skull and Bones, which has been recruiting 15 students a year since 1832. Skull Bones founder Alphonso Taft served as Attorney General in the Grant administration and helped to shape the electoral commission of 1877 which papered over the theft. Bonesmen Morrison R Waite who was Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court and Senator Wilhelm Evan Evarts, whom served has Hayes's Secretary of State helped to influence the commission outcome. There were many other fraternal brothers, DKE's and Bonesmen helping to shape the eventual outcome. An agreement whereby the Southern Democrats didn't "contest" the election for insurances of the end of Reconstruction, removal of Federal troops and the subsequent disenfranchisement of Negro citizens. As history has passed into today the influences of these two related fraternal organizations are stark in their powerful influences upon decisions effecting the course of our republic and the US conduct in world affairs. They have been involved in narcotics smuggling and the helped to foster a failed drugwar for economic, social and political control, for one. And through members such as Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Col. H Stimson, Averill Harriman, Prescott Bush and others these secret fraternities have had major long-time influence and control. Kennedy murder cover-up Warren Commission member, and pardoner of "Trick Dick" Nixon, DKE Gerald Ford is also an active member of this select secret group. Do we need to mention that George HW "Poppy" Bush is a member of both secret clubs, whilst his esteemed, "where did he come from" vice-president Dan Quayle was just a "Deke." And now again, our republic is burdened with an illegitimate DKE and Skull Bones President, George W. Bush. The psychological damage to our participatory republic is I am sure calculated. The "elite deviants" have stole the election in broad daylight, through hypocrisy, thuggery and chicanery. And have put the idiot son in as President of this nation and there ain't nothing that us poor hoi polloi can do about it. We shall see. Om Kris Millegan What do you do with the defective slaves? What do you do with the defective slaves? Do you set them aside? Do you boil them in oil? Do you deceive them, As, you bleed them, All the while? What do you do with the defective slaves? Do you get them to fight one another? You know, To save you the bother? Now, you lose, By the way, Everytime; But the play is the game, And it ain't always the same. And isn't being a player, Better than, Being the game? What do you do with the defective slaves? Effectively, cajoling away, Away down the river, Away till the time, A will and a way, For the defective slaves. (C) !997 R. A. Kris Millegan Roads [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propaga
Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones
-Caveat Lector- LOL... sno0wl, More propaganda from the Liberal Left??? It will never end. God forbid that we should have a President going into office with a clean slate. Seems that Ronald Reagan was as close as it comes, in this generation, to having a clean slate before entering the Presidency, and now look what they've (the Liberal Media and Democratic Control freaks) done to him, as well as silencing him with disease. I will stick with the candidate ELECT, and his history, good or bad. It's only as bad as you choose to see it, anyways. I've heard so much garb`age about Clinton, Gore, Bush and the rest of the johnny come lately wannabe's, that I think I will sit back and watch, and let the running record prove the President's stuff. If he's not worthy, he's not worthy... (and I'll be among the first to admit) but that is yet to be seen, not to be predicted. If he is worthy, more power to him. Everyone is so hell-bent on making Bush out to be some kind of illiterate idiot, that they failed to see that no president is a man of his own, except when alone in the oval office with a staff aid... Just like the pope, we never seem to see the work that those men in black that hide behind the robes and suits do. THEY are truly the popeship or the presidency... The person is only a cosmetic senior officer or senator. Rome was no different. So, condemn Mr. Bush as you will... And, I will continue to hope that your judgment of condemnation is put to shame. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Eagle 1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones On 31 Dec 00, at 9:06, Eagle 1 wrote: And I figure that you won't much like what Dubya does, but I will lay wager that he won't embarrass the country with sex scandal, murder, and abusive drug habits... while in office. It was Dubya's GOP that made sure we knew every detail of that absolutely inane sex scandal, hammering us over the head 24/7 for several years with it when no one even really cared. It's standard GOP operating procedure (if you can remember as far back as Gary Hart) to destroy democrats with silly stuff like sex bunnies.(When stuff like sex and drugs gets raised for the GOP, they just refuse to answer and for some unexplainable reason all the lawyers and all the media just stop dead in their tracks and go away.) And as for murderswell, the body count is already pretty high for Dubya and his gang (maybe that's what happens to media that persists in asking GOP members embarassing questions). In fact, since all these guys are possibly backed by the same high rollers, Clinton may have just been holding the fort until Bush's guys were ready to move back in. Isn't it wonderful. Once again the most advanced and powerful nation in the world is going to have a governor from one of its most backward, underdeveloped states leading it. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones
-Caveat Lector- Kris, Your despondant diatribe is typical of one in denial... You deny the powers that be, and have shown yourself. That's fine with me. I could care less that you think that religious beliefs are myths and fairy tales. You only deceive yourself. One day, you will know the truth. However, I refuse to rail against you, as you have me. I at least give you the space to believe what you want to believe, tho' I may not agree. (You show some uneducated behavior for someone who *appears* to this list as one who IS "educated" and "wise" in the ways of the world). And that may be your total downfall, that you are more wise in the ways of the world. than in the way of faith and belief in God's Word. I've done my research, thank you. I just don't agree with yours. Jesus said, speaking to people who believed the same way you do... "You are from beneath; I am from above: You are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your sins." ~John 8:23-24 If you want to believe that is fable, hey go for it, and have a nice trip... but don't condemn me, because I refuse to agree with your nonsense. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones -Caveat Lector- eagle 1, Beliefs are for fairy tales and religions. Do the research and refute me. George W Bush is nothing more than a stooge for the cryptocracy. As was Clinton. Get you head out of your idealogical orifice and actually help our republic instead of helping the cryptocracy tear it down. MHO Om K . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)
-Caveat Lector- A famous Governor of Oklahoma, "Alfalfa" Bill Murray once said, "It is better to say nothing and let others think that you are ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice) -Caveat Lector- From: "Eagle 1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can step on anything and everything but a true Christian. It is people like you who aimlessly swing swords, beheading Christians, yet you whine about the God of the Bible who you claim murders babies... You poor, Biblically illiterate soul. And what is 'Biblically illiterate' by the statement that 'the God of the Bible...murders babies'? Seems to me the OT is full of such examples...either Yahweh doing the dirty work Himself (as in Sodom and Gomorrah -- where EVERYONE, including children and babies, were killed), or his 'Chosen People' do so via direct commandment from God (any number of existing communities being slaughtered as the Hebrews take over Canaan, etc.)...time and again, the Hebrew army is commanded to kill everyone and everything, not just their enemy army...they are commanded to go into the enemy city and kill all the women, elderly, children, infants, even all the animals... Anyone who claims otherwise is the one who is biblically illiterate... Also, it shows what hypocrites those who oppose abortion on supposed biblical principles are, since they claim that abortion is 'killing babies', and yet the OT is full of cases of Yahweh not only approving of, but actually demanding, that His 'Chosen People' do just that... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Just Say No To Ashcroft!
ROTFL The message sounds so desparate! Is this man really someone to be afraid of??? I suppose if you are a Democrat he is. Hallelujah!!! Glad there is someone to say NO to Democratic control freaks. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 2:08 PM Subject: [CTRL] Just Say "No" To Ashcroft! All you Democratic senators, listen up: Just say no to Ashcroft! By BartCop December 29, 2000 | Senator John Ashcroft (R-Taliban) is a real piece of work. So far, not one Demo senator had said publicly that he intends to vote against this monstrosity for attorney general.I'm white, male, straight, middle-aged, healthy, employed and agnostic. I don't have that much to fear from this monster they call Ashcroft.But if you're not white if you're not male, if you're not straight, if you're very young if you're retired, if you're not in good health, if you're not able to work or if you have faith in the existence of a Supreme Being, you need the Democrats right now more than you've ever needed them.Once Ashcroft is confirmed, his religious insanity will control all federal law enforcement. Jesse Helms is the only senator who has said, "No" to progress more often than Ashcroft.Don't you understand what you're about to lose?We both know the Whore Court will back up any religiously insane ruling Ashcroft makes. This court is bought-and-paid for, and it's impossible for them to be stopped. If they could be stopped or overruled, the upcoming president would be the one we voted for. Ashcroft has very close ties with Religious Right leaders, and has received 100 percent approval ratings from the Coathanger Coalition and Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum. Conversely, the National Organization for Women, the National Abortion Rights Action League, the Human Rights Campaign and the League of Conservation Voters rate Ashcroft 0 percent.Ashcroft is about to become the principal enforcer of our nation's civil rights laws and he holds an honorary diploma from Bob Jones University. If you're Catholic, you might want to take a picture of your church and hide that picture where nobody else can find it. Do you think "Mr. Zero Percent" is going to allow Catholics any "wiggle room?"The time for the Democrats to stand up and grow some cojones is now. We can't wait another generation, another decade, another term or another year. The damage is going to be done right away.Swear to Koresh, the time to fight is right now, but we're in trouble because the only people who can block this monstrosity from taking over are the too-scared-to-fight Democrats.I hope you're not too attached to your religion, because your religion is going to become Ashcroft's religion - and he worships Bob Jones. Me?I'll be OK.I'm white, so his hatred of minorities won't affect me.I'm male, so his "women should subjugate" views won't affect me.I'm straight, so his "The Bible says I must hate you" horseshit doesn't affect me.I'm middle-aged, so his "let the elderly eat cake" views won't affect me.I'm healthy, so his "treat AIDS with leeches" mentality can't affect me.I'm gainfully employed, but then again, his boss hasn't pushed the first Domino yet.And I'm agnostic, so Ashcroft has no chance of taking my God from me. So I'm doing pretty good. I don't have that much to fear from the Ashcroft monster until he decides that free speech on the Internet is "a clear and present danger," and the Whore Court backs him up.Oh, if only there was an opposition party to the Republicans . . .
Re: [CTRL] New rules on the horizon
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for the article, kl. A reflection of the true heart of the liberal aka: "Democrats", and what they've become. Kennedy should be turning in his grave. Shame on the Republicans, tho'... for not buckling up and calling a spade a spade aka: Democratic voter fraud. Shame on the Democrats who tried to bait and switch the blame on to the Republicans. Though the truth be known, most will never accept it. eagle 1 "And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not." ~John 8:45 (KJV) - Original Message - From: "kl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: [CTRL] New rules on the horizon -Caveat Lector- http://www.townhall.com/columnists/paulcraigroberts/pcr20001227. shtml December 27, 2000 New rules on the horizon 2001 arrives without the manned space flights to Jupiter and Saturn envisioned by Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke. The U.S. space program was a casualty of the end of the Cold War. Could the next casualty be American constitutional democracy now that we no longer have a foreign opponent to unify us? The last election revealed a country split not only geographically between urbanized areas with large minority populations and the rest of the country, but also between those committed to the constitutional process and those who believe the ends justify the means. This fissure is not a split over policy issues, such as whether to privatize Social Security, cut tax rates or build a missile defense system. The country is divided by the Democrats' claim that their party's causes are so moral as to place them above the Constitution. When one party sees its causes so imbued with morality as to justify any action to retain power, constitutionalism is dead. Much has been written about the challenges to the Florida vote, and readers grew tired of it before the real lesson was learned. The important point is not that the judiciary decided the presidential election. The vital fact is that the Supreme Court had to deal with the astonishing claim that the election of Al Gore was so important that Democrats were entitled to revote already cast ballots until Gore won. Democrats demanded a revote, not in counties that Gore lost but in counties he carried. In the close election Democrats saw an opportunity to reinterpret spoiled ballots and ballots that did not mark a choice for president as votes for Al Gore. There were similar ballots in every county in the United States, but the revote game was only to be played by Democrats in three Florida counties. There was no evidence of vote fraud, except on the part of Democrats. The attempt to revote was clearly a violation of Florida law and the U.S. Constitution. To deflect attention from this highly visible exercise in vote fraud, Democrats conducted a defamatory campaign, alleging that blacks had been intimidated (in counties controlled by Democrats) and that ballots (designed by Democrats) were deceptive and confused the elderly. In a country with a nonpartisan media, such a visible attempt to steal an election would have been mercilessly exposed. But Democrats knew the media would serve as the propaganda arm of their party. Eight years of Bill Clinton have made clear that the media judges politicians by their stand on "the issues," not by their behavior. A stolen election is OK if it is stolen for the right causes. Consequently, the media served as an amplifier for lies and defamation. One result is that blacks believe they were disenfranchised despite hard evidence that a larger percentage of blacks voted than whites. Certain of the media's support, Democrats turned for help to the Democratic Florida Supreme Court. This court actively participated in the vote fraud. Without authority, cause or legal reason, the court ignored the state's election rules and U.S. Constitution to order a continuation of the revote. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the media that Gore's election justified the raw use of power. Although checked at the last moment by the U.S. Supreme Court, this blatant use of power to steal an election evoked no shame or remorse in Democrats. Democrats have passed beyond that. Democrats are liberated from constitutional process by the sanctity of their ends. This is the important change. The Democrats almost succeeded in stealing the election. Republicans found themselves so much on the defensive that they were afraid to call vote fraud by its own name. Instead, Republicans argued the legal and constitutional case for the existing rules and were accused of using technicalities to frustrate the will of the people. In a word, Republicans uncharacteristically stood up to the Democrats' power play but acquiesced in the pretense that the issue to be resolved was contending interpretations of election rules. Republicans lacked the co
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Fw: Environmental
-Caveat Lector- Amelia said I cannot help but wonder if we are being HAARP'ed! Have you considered the possibility of it (the weather) just being an "act of God"? Or perhaps the simple solution, an "act of nature"... The earth was created with it's own resillience to certain cause and effects... perhaps we are reaping what we've long sowed in the earth. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 10:34 AM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Fw: Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky -Caveat Lector- June, First we had a weekend of 35 mph sustained winds. Next the killer tornadoes. Now we have had 5 ice/snow events in 10 days. I cannot help but wonder if we are being HAARP'ed! Clinton tried for years to have our local weather station shut down in retaliation for Sen Shelby's "defection" to the Republican party. He also moved as many NASA jobs to Texas as he could for the same reason but the weather station is the only one that can cover this area because of the elevation and mountains. We are not covered by either Birmingham or Nashville for some weather events. The only ski resort in the entire State is actually open. Cajuns on skis! What fun! Then the ice in the Southern plains. This is such extreme and drastic weather for this region. We are also entering the fourth year of a drought and have had the hottest summers on record. Not the best time for me to start a commercial greenhouse nursery. :) What I wonder is IF this is "modified" weather, is it "us" practicing or "them" inflicting harm. Or is it just "Mother Nature" having mood swings? And we have more ice/snow forecast for tonight! The temperatures are far below normal, killing all sorts of vegetation which can sustain a couple of bitterly cold nights but not two weeks of it. Things like young pecan trees and fruit trees under 4 yrs old will die. Granted, it could be just natural variation but when I read about weather modification and climate change, I really wonder. Post or send me anything new on HAARP even if it feeds my paranoia. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:51 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky, 2000 The Americans and the Russians have developed capabilities to manipulate the World's climate. Dr. Rosalie Bertell confirms that "US military scientists are working on weather systems as a potential weapon." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Veterans, Women become Homeless under Clinton/Gore
-Caveat Lector-
And who do we suppose is going to come in and champion this cause?
Surely it isn't Clinton or Gore! Perhaps a supernatural intervention is
close at hand??? This story you've sent Amelia is sad, but a rude awakening
for some.
Thanks for the reminder, that not all Americans have had a Merry Christmas
sitting by the fireplace. And as pointed out, THIS is under the Clinton
Administration. Unfortunately, it mattered not who got the Presidency,
the new admin was going to inherit this travesty regardless. We will also
reap the bombshells of a declining economy, not a bounding economy as the
Clinton admin would propagandize us to believe. Soon we will see just how
bad of condition this country really is in, and though it will come out
during the Bush admin, it won't be Bush who created it. Clinton will leave
behind a legacy of failures. Only the tip of the iceburg has begun to be
exposed.
eagle 1
- Original Message -
From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:55 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Veterans, Women become Homeless under Clinton/Gore
-Caveat Lector-
{It has bee suggested that people are homeless somehow because of Ronald
Regan, of all people. This current survey says these people are newly
homeless and one-third are veterans. This is not surprising under the "We
loathe the military" Clinton reign. What is sad is that 25% of them are
women, a group this administration pretended to champion. Regan had no
power to close STATE institutions for the mentall ill. Only states can do
that. If he cut federal funding to them, good for him! The federal govt
has no business in the treatment and care of the mentally ill. That is
the
responsibility of each state and if they fail to do so, it is their shame
and responsibility. The idea of "federally controlled asylums" sounds
like
a KGB plot. The majority of these people surveyed appear to be victims of
the false prosperity currently in this country and not mentally ill. Most
are homeless for the first time or have been so for less than five years,
65% less than a year. I don't believe we can blame Regan for these. AKE}
Women, Vietnam vets make up growing percentage of homeless, survey shows
The Associated Press
12/29/00 1:29 AM
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) -- A survey of rescue missions across the country,
including one in Birmingham and one in Bessemer, shows that women and
Vietnam veterans make up an increasing percentage of homeless people.
The survey, which included the Jimmie Hale Mission in Birmingham and City
of
Hope in Bessemer, was compiled by the Association of Gospel Rescue
Missions.
It included interviews of 20,250 homeless people who were staying at
shelters during October 2000. Of those surveyed, 22 percent were younger
than 25.
"There are several surprises. One is how young they are," said Tony
Cooper,
executive director of the Jimmie Hale Mission. "About a third were
homeless
for the first time. It destroys the idea all the homeless are old and it's
a
chronic thing."
The survey also shows a shift over the last five years to an older
homeless
population, and a third of those surveyed said they were never before
homeless, while 65 percent said they had been homeless less than a year.
"The streets of America are full of new homeless people," said the Rev.
Steve Burger, executive director of the Association of Gospel Rescue
Missions.
Veterans make up a third of homeless people and 47 percent of the homeless
veterans served in Vietnam, up from 38 percent in last year's survey.
Nationally, about 24 percent of the homeless are women, up from 19 percent
in 1995, according to the survey.
The survey also showed that 29 percent of men and 27 percent of women are
in
rehabilitation. Racially, the breakdown was 42 percent white, 41 percent
black and 13 percent Hispanic.
Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
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Re: [CTRL] AFP: Gore says Florida count wrong
-Caveat Lector- Won't it be a hoot if Gore is allowed a full state recount and finds that he lost AGAIN!!! ~LOL Here's the daily dose of Gore Lore: A proposed revision to the rules of golf is being sought in South Florida which will replace the traditional call of "FORE". Once a player has hit an errant shot he will be allowed to call "GORE" while the ball is still in flight. He can then replace the ball in the same spot and hit it again. The player can do this until he is satisfied the ball is going where he intended to hit it in the first place. This will cause the time of play to be extended until such time the player can claim the hole. This revision is causing some consternation to the PGA but proponents say it is only fair. A recent test of this new rule was recently played out in an exclusive club in Palm Beach County Florida and the first hole only took 19 days to complete. ~~ eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: [CTRL] AFP: Gore says Florida count wrong, claims he is owed 1,800 votes -Caveat Lector- Gore says Florida count wrong, claims he is owed 1,800 votes Source: AFP - Agence France Presse Nov 27 13:11 by Matthew Lee ATTENTION - UPDATES with Gore complaint, quotes /// TALLAHASSEE, Florida, Nov 27 (AFP) - Lawyers for Democratic candidate Al Gore described the official presidential vote tally in Florida as "wrong" Monday, saying Gore was deprived of at least 1,800 votes that would have won him the state and the White House. The official tally certified late Sunday gave Republican rival George W. Bush a 537-vote victory in the southeastern state. The Gore complaint filed by attorney Dexter Douglass here shortly after 12:15 pm (1715 GMT), contested the count in three Florida counties: Miami-Dade, Nassau and Palm Beach. In the written complaint, Gore said he would have picked up a net gain of 1,025 votes if all manual recounts had been completed and certified. He also said he would have gained a further 800 votes if counters in Palm Beach county had tallied 4,000 ballots that were marked with an indentation but were not fully punctured. In the complaint, the Gore camp said the certified election results were simply wrong. "This is an action to contest the certification that George W. Bush and Richard Cheney received more votes in the presidential election in the state of Florida than Al Gore and Joe Lieberman," it read. "The vote totals reported in the election canvassing commission certification of November 26, 2000, are wrong. "They include illegal votes, and do not include legal votes that were improperly rejected. The number of such votes is more than sufficient to place in doubt, indeed to change, the result of the election." The case was assigned to Judge Sanders Sauls, according to a court clerk. After being forced to extend the certification deadline 12 days to Sunday by aFlorida Supreme Court ruling that ordered the inclusion of manual recounts in the final tally, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris declared Bush the victor late Sunday by just 537 votes out of some six million ballots cast. But her decision to ignore partial recounts submitted by Palm Beach as well as prior steps taken by officials in Miami-Dade and Nassau counties, drew quick denunciation from Democrats who say the official count is inaccurate and incomplete. Gore's running mate, Senator Joseph Lieberman, lashed out at Harris' certification shortly after her announcement, saying he and the vice president had "no choice" but to contest the vote counts, as is allowed under state law. "Vice President Gore and I have no choice but to contest these actions," he said, flatly rejecting calls from the Bush camp to drop the challenges and concede the election. Among their complaints, the Democrats allege that thousands of ballots in Miami-Dade were never tallied because vote-count machines could not read them. The Democrats also want the court to compel Miami-Dade electoral officials to complete their hand recount which they say was halted last week after they were intimidated by boisterous crowd of Bush supporters. Even without a full recount there, however, they say partial hand recounts showing a net gain of 156 votes for Gore in Miami-Dade should have been included in Harris' certified total. In Nassau County, Gore is contesting a decision by the canvassing board on Friday to use original vote totals, instead of the state-mandated machine recount, that cost the vice president 52 votes. "We seek restoration of the recounted total," the Gore legal team said in a summary of their filings in the circuit court here. In Palm Beach, the Democrats will try to prove
Re: [CTRL] Causenet: Bush/Cheney Transition
-Caveat Lector- Comment: This is a free country, and if the Bush team wants to ask for private sector donations, let them, and let them make fools of themselves if needs be. It's none of our business, unless we choose to donate. More power to the Bush team transition, if they think they can pull it off. I find this begging for donations, no more disagreeable and disgusting than the Gore team "pushing" and almost "knocking down" the Supreme Court's doors to attempt to manipulate, RIGHT NOW, the law in order to get the counts to come out the way he wants them to. The bottom line is now with Al Gore not simply a Presidential race, it has turned to lust with him and he is not going to be happy until he is literally handed the office of the presidency, regardless of numbers. How can anyone ever accept or respect someone who has allowed this to become an obsession? Let's talk about principals then. Al Gore proves day by day that he has no concern for the people he claims to be attempting to win this contest for, but rather it has turned to selfish desire to have that which is not his to obtain. Let's face it, Al Gore isn't interested in counted votes, he wants the office, the position, the pay check and the power of the President of the United States. Al Gore is well on the road to making himself the laughing stock of the world. He is deluded if he thinks he can pull the wool over the eyes of Americans as is indicated by his declining support in polls. I feel sorry for this man for he is backed into a very difficult position. How can he say he wants ALL the votes counted and keep a straight face??? Americans know that what he really wants is the presidency and we know that there is NOTHING he or anyone else can legally do to count ALL the votes in FL no matter what he says he "wants". He thinks it sounds good to say that but we are not as stupid as he would have us be. So in the final analysis, who is stupid? Every time he or Lieberman opens their mouths, they shoot themselves in the foot and the polls show that fact. I see other democrats jumping off that sinking ship now they see the handwriting on the wall. Gore has killed his political future by taking this too far and trying to manipulate via court action and obviously false rhetoric. He has hurt his party and his own image for selfish reasons. I watched the MSNBC (or CNN..forget which) report after his speech last night and I'm now convinced the media is against him. They talked negatively about the speech for about 5 minutes and then went on their merry way as if it had never happened. My admittedly biased opinion is that Gore shows too little confidence compared to Bush to lead this nation. I like Bush's manner in presenting himself. And that is what this nation needs... a man... not a mouse. I want to see a man who shows more confidence than Gore in the White House dealing with this nation and other nations. I think it's that rather than the American people being "tired" of this that is influencing the polls now. That and the obvious LIES told by the Demoncrats.h, I think I'll leave that typo as is. :) eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Common Cause CauseNet" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:12 AM Subject: Causenet: Bush/Cheney Transition CauseNET The Common Cause Email Alert Network http://www.commoncause.org Monday, November 27, 2000 The following statement was released to the media this evening: STATEMENT OF COMMON CAUSE PRESIDENT SCOTT HARSHBARGER ON BUSH/CHENEY TRANSITION FUND Both of the men who may be the next President should avoid turning this delicate and uncertain time in our history into yet another frenetic fundraising opportunity, where Washington lobbyists are given the access- and influence-buying opportunity of a lifetime - a kind of initial public offering on what may be the next Administration. We call on Governor Bush to reverse the policy announced today by Secretary Cheney, whereby their ticket would actually raise private money to pay for a transition into office. It's a bad idea, and one that threatens to make an already precarious situation worse. We also restate our call to Vice President Gore to set reasonable limits on - and make immediate disclosure of - the contributions that he is receiving to fund his ongoing legal efforts. This post-election fundraising by both sides is a lamentable coda to a campaign season that has broken just about every fundraising record. That the ultimate outcome of the election is still murky at this hour should not preclude either candidate from thinking about who would serve with them in a new Administration. Soon enough, we will have a President- elect and the transition can begin in earnest - a transition supported by the office space and public funds provided for by law. Secretary Cheney has cited a 1992 precedent of President- elect
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Spreading Panic
-Caveat Lector- Is anyone surprised at these reactions? It's expected. They [the middle east] love to hate the U.S Now the election process has given them more fuel for their fires. And they can play while the cat's away from his duties... or is he really away? Calling martial law will be the only hope of continuing the Clinton admin.'s legacy, and Al Gore's continual legality of counting woes. You must admit... it's a Clinton calculation that is entirely possible, in order to buy Al Gore the time he needs to attempt to prove that he's the deserv-ed one to be the President. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Spreading Panic A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush family fortune derived from Nazis.
-Caveat Lector- This is probably the best piece of propaganda put out in this post election denial that I've seen yet!~LOL And look who is doing the reporting... the president of the Florida Holocaust Museum A most likely Jewish / Democrat (liberal) GORE supporter. ROTFL eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: [CTRL] Bush family fortune derived from Nazis. -Caveat Lector- Sarasota Herald-Tribune November 12, 2000, Sunday, ALL EDITIONS SECTION: A SECTION, Pg. A10 HEADLINE: Author links Bush family to Nazis The president of the Florida Holocaust Museum said Saturday that George W. Bush's grandfather derived a portion of his personal fortune through his affiliation with a Nazi-controlled bank. John Loftus, a former prosecutor in the Justice Department's Nazi War Crimes Unit, said his research found that Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a principal in the Union Banking Corp. in Manhattan in the late 1930s and the 1940s. Leading Nazi industrialists secretly owned the bank at that time, Loftus said, and were moving money into it through a second bank in Holland even after the United States declared war on Germany. The bank was liquidated in 1951, Loftus said, and Bush's grandfather and great-grandfather received $ 1.5 million from the bank as part of that dissolution. "That's where the Bush family fortune came from: It came from the Third Reich," Loftus said. Loftus made his remarks during a speech as part of the Sarasota Reading Festival. The author of "Unholy Trinity: The Vatican, The Nazis and the Swiss Banks," Loftus documented the Swiss bank accounts that harbored funds confiscated from Holocaust victims and the participation of Italian priests in smuggling Nazi war criminals to safe haven in Canada, Central and South America and the United States after the war. Although he said he had a file of paperwork linking the bank and Prescott Bush to Nazi money, Loftus did not provide that documentation Saturday. Loftus pointed out that the Bush family would not be the only American political dynasty to have ties to the "wrong side of World War II." The Rockefellers had financial connections to Nazi Germany, he said. Loftus also reminded his audience that John F. Kennedy's father, an avowed isolationist and former ambassador to Great Britain, profited during the 1930s and '40s from Nazi stocks that he owned. "No one today blames the Democrats because Jack Kennedy's father bought Nazi stocks," Loftus said. Still, he said, it is important to understand these historical connections for what they tell us about politics today. The World War II experience points out how easy it was then -- and remains today -- to hide money in multinational funds. That money flows into American politics today, he said, from "a series of multinational corporations behaving like pirates. They don't care about ideology; they care about money." Loftus' speech left many in tears. "I am absolutely shocked," said Nancy Krauss of Punta Gorda. "I wish this would have come out before the election. My husband voted for Bush. I don't think he would have voted for him if he would have known." Education Vigilance Network http://www.evnetwork.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ./ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RadTimes # 101
-Caveat Lector- So basically what you're saying when you said, Narco News Projects Al Gore as the Illegitimate 43rd President of the United States is that the already known bastard, Al Gore, will become the "official bastard progeny of the U.S." ??? The U.S., then, has to be the most synical and confused body and sea of people on the face of the planet What wonderful things we have to look forward to according to your prophecies! How does it feel to be approaching an administration that will bastardize the entire country??? (We move out of the pan into the fire!) . . . just a lovely picture, ain't it? :-( eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "radman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:18 AM Subject: [CTRL] RadTimes # 101 -Caveat Lector- RadTimes # 101 November, 2000 An informally produced compendium of vital irregularities. "We're living in rad times!" -- - Contents: --- --Communiqué and Analysis from the Narco News Elections Service --Gore camp demands FBI inquiry --My mother, Palm Beach County precinct clerk --While Gore supporters are holding protests ... --Stock markets dive on Democrats' vow --United States of Albania? Linked stories: *Reports from the Pro-Democracy Protests [11/11] -- - Begin stories: -- - Communiqué and Analysis from the Narco News Elections Service PROJECTION at 10 p.m. ET, Sunday, November 12, 2000: BUSH WILL CONCEDE TO GORE (Note to working journalists: Your news agencies will not allow you to run with this projection yet, but please file it for second review if and when the scenario presented here occurs.) ANALYSIS: Although The Narco News Bulletin does not endorse candidates, and certainly would never support either of the hypocritical drug warriors Al Gore or George W. Bush, we have extensively covered election fraud matters in Mexico and the Dominican Republic this year. As we look upon the recount controversies underway in the Narco-State of Florida, our analysts are now prepared to make a projection: George W. Bush will concede this election to Al Gore very shortly, perhaps within a week. The factors weighed in the NarcoNewsroom are the following: 1. Today's revelation by Authentic Journalists Robert W. Neill, Jr. and Preston Peet that found Florida Governor Jeb Bush's signature on a blatant act of absentee ballot fraud. 2. Tomorrow's Times of London report that the FBI is already in Florida investigating a massive case of voter fraud targeted at "black and Jewish" voters in the Bush controlled state. Both articles are attached for your review. Narco News, due to technical problems, has not posted our projection yet on our web site. However, this communiqué and analysis may be distributed or reprinted by others. What does this story have to do with the narco? Florida is a state swimming in drug money. Indeed, 99% of all dollar bills in Florida are found to have traces of cocaine. More importantly, the sheer amount of money that moves through Florida far surpasses the amount of money generated legally within its economy. Florida is the bridge to the Latin American oligarchies from the Colombian paramilitaries to the former Cuban upper caste to the super-rich from Venezuela who are now trying to overthrow elected president Hugo Chávez. These networks and the US intelligence and other agencies that permeate them are steeped in narco-money, as a review of US federal court documents in the Miami district quickly reveals. Narco News sources say that these networks pumped major money into the political campaign in Florida and investigators are already following the narco-money trail. The US election system, standing naked before all América, has suffered severe image problems in recent days. But at the point that the narco-connection to the election process becomes known, the crisis will explode far beyond anything that has yet happened. Both political parties, Democrat and Republican, have actively recruited narco-money for this campaign. See Michael C. Ruppert's May 2000 report: http://www.narconews.com/USDominican1.html Both parties thus have a vital interest in making certain that the current crisis does not escalate to reveal what Mexican columnist Carlos Ramírez wrote this morning: "That the myth of Democracy in the United States... is a myth." Although both major US parties, Democrat and Republican, are complicit in the drug war and the narco-money trail, the weight of these facts, for simple geography, falls more h
Re: [CTRL] AL GORE INVENTED ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION!
-Caveat Lector- Hi Nakano, you said, AL GORE HAS GIVEN AMERICA ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION which gives rise to another malady, PP-EDS PUBIC POST-ELECTION DENIAL SYNDROME Autonomically, you will then get the feeling that America has been gored as well as screwed? GORE, defined: gore noun. blood that has been shed, esp. when thick or clotted. [ Old English gor filth.] gore v.t. (of an animal) to pierce with a horn or tusk: The bull gored the matador. [Possibly from Old English gar spear ( suggesting piercing with a sharp weapon).] gore n. triangular or tapered piece of fabric, used esp. in making umbrellas or certain skirts or sails to provide fullness. - v.t., gored, goring. to make or furnish with a gore or gores: The seamstress gored the skirt. [Old English gara triangular piece of land.] the strongs concordance definition says Hebrew #5055 -nagach - a prim. root; to butt with the horns; fig. to war against: gore, push (down, -ing). eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "[to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:47 PM Subject: [CTRL] AL GORE INVENTED ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION! -Caveat Lector- AL GORE HAS GIVEN AMERICA ELECTILE DYSFUNCTION! ATTENTION REPUBLICANS! And especially anyone with connection to the Bush Campaign. Are you aware that Al Gore hired a telemarketing company to call 5,000 registered Democrat voters in Florida and urge them to call in complaints about the Florida ballots? The Gore Campaign hired Telequest of San Antonio, Texas to make 5,000 calls on Election Day while the polls were open. The point is this: THIS WAS A PRE-PLANNED DEAL! The protests and complaints about the ballots were planned in advance! Wake up! THE GORE CAMP CREATED THIS PROBLEM SO THEY COULD DEMAND THE RECOUNT! Regards to All Nakano ./ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What Al Gore Really Did Invent
from: Eagle 1 [---snip---] This ingenious 1996 "voter mill" paid off big time. An audit by theaccounting firm of KPMG Peat Marwick uncovered some of theresults. The newly naturalized citizens who were qualified to vote bythis Gore project included more than 75,000 who had arrest recordswhen they applied, an additional 115,000 citizens whose fingerprintswere unclassifiable for various technical reasons and were neverrechecked, and another 61,000 people who were given citizenshipwithout submitting any fingerprints at all. Federal law requires that an alien's application for citizenship mustbe accompanied by a complete set of fingerprints, which must becleared by the FBI to determine if the applicant has a criminal record. Schippers sent the FBI a list of 100 of these new citizens who hadcommitted documented heinous crimes prior to naturalization anddiscovered that 20 percent were arrested for serious crimes aftercitizenship was granted in 1996. No one knows how many thousandsof criminals were granted citizenship whose fingerprints were neverchecked at all. Crooked politicians have always stuffed the ballot box in traditionalways, but Al Gore must be given credit for one of the most ingenious.[---snip---] And did Al Gore hand them cigarettes as they entered the country, trading them for futurevotes???This whole thing becomes sicker and sicker as it goes along!!!eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Eagle Forum" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: What Al Gore Really Did Invent (Oct. 2000 Phyllis Schlafly Report - part 3) What Al Gore Really Did Invent The claim that Al Gore invented the internet has been a favorite target of political jokes, but Al Gore's role in "reinventing" the INS is no laughing matter. He was a driving force behind the perversion of Immigration and Naturalization Service procedures in order to "invent" a million votes for Clinton-Gore in November 1996. Al Gore was the Administration's point man in charge of the plan developed in early 1996 to put a million aliens on the fast track to citizenship even if they didn't qualify and even if they had criminal records. Gore was responsible for keeping the pressure on INS to make sure the aliens were naturalized by September 1, the last day to register for the presidential election. INS Administrator Doris Meissner was at first reluctant to go along with these shenanigans. But she finally acquiesced in Gore's plan to remove alleged "bureaucratic roadblocks" to speedy naturalization. The "smoking gun" documentation came to light sort of as an aside in the new book Sellout by David P. Schippers, his own story as chief investigative counsel for the House impeachment of Bill Clinton. Before Schippers was ordered to limit his investigations to the Monica case, he had focused on the politicization of the INS. Schippers uncovered a memo written early in 1996 from Doug Farbrother of the National Performance Review (NPR) to Bill Clinton reminding the President that he had "asked us to expedite the naturalization of nearly a million legal aliens." Farbrother set forth the plan "to force some serious 'reinvention' on INS" by "appointing one of our proven NPR reinventors as Deputy INS Commissioner" and moving the existing Deputy elsewhere. The National Performance Review is now called Vice President Al Gore's National Partnership for Reinventing Government, according to its website www.npr.gov. This confirms Gore's peculiar obsession with reinventing things. Dr. Elaine Kamarck in Gore's office responded to Farbrother on March 21, 1996 in a solid-cap memo: "THE PRESIDENT IS SICK OF THIS AND WANTS ACTION. IF NOTHING MOVES TODAY WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE SOME PRETTY DRASTIC MEASURES." A March 22 memo to Al Gore from Doug Farbrother then reported that he told INS "to waive stupid rules, move money from one account to another as needed, and recruit and hire people locally instead of through the slow centralized process." Farbrother added that each city manager in the major cities was to be given "a project budget to spend as needed." Farbrother's memo spelled out other details of the plan to circumvent customary procedure: "delegate hiring authority, waive extensive background investigations on new employees, allow the cities 'overhire authority.'" This carried out the suggestion originally made in a February 15 memo from HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros to Clinton and Gore suggesting the use of "volunteers" from Hispanic action groups to "process" naturalization applications. In a subsequent fax, Farbrother wrote that he had instructed INS Commissioner Doris Meissner to "get the results the Vice President wants." In a memo addressed to Al Gore on Marc
[CTRL] Fw: VIRUS ALERT - W32/Navidad@M
-Caveat Lector- (( McAfee.com Dispatch ) ___VIRUS ALERT__ [This message is brought to you as a subscriber to the McAfee.com Dispatch.] *** VIRUS ALERT - W32/Navidad@M Dear McAfee.com Dispatch Subscriber: W32/Navidad@M is an Internet worm that spreads using the Windows email program Outlook. McAfee AVERT has given it a risk assessment of MEDIUM-ON WATCH, due to a significant increase in infection levels worldwide. The email can come from addresses that you will recognize. Attached is a file named NAVIDAD.EXE and when it is run, it displays a dialog box entitled, "Error" which reads "UI". A blue eye icon then appears in the system tray next to the clock in the lower right corner of the screen, and a copy of the worm is saved to the file "winsvrc.vxd" in the WINDOWS SYSTEM directory. If your PC becomes infected with the W32/Navidad@M worm, all subsequent emails addressed to you will be responded to automatically with an email from your address with the W32/Navidad@M worm as an attachment. Click here for detection and removal instructions: - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1956 MCAFEE.COM CLINIC SUBSCRIBERS: If you don't have ActiveShield installed and/or updated, you are not protected from infection from this worm. Click here to download ActiveShield: - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/virusscan/activeshield/default.asp?area=acti veshield If you are not a subscriber to the McAfee.com Clinic please click here to get instant protection: - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1957 MCAFEE VIRUSSCAN USERS (notes on detection and removal using McAfee VirusScan): McAfee VirusScan 4.1.00 and above with DAT file 4105 and higher will detect and remove W32/Navidad@M. Click here for complete instructions on removal and repair: - http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98881 --McAfee.com ___Virus Fixes__ Find out more about this virus. Click here to go to the W32/Navidad@M Help Center. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1956 Become a McAfee.com Clinic subscriber and check your system online. To use VirusScan Online, click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1957 Purchase the latest copy of VirusScan, please click here. - http://store.mcafee.com/category.asp?CatID=3CategoryLevel=1rfr=VSCALRT Upgrade to the latest VirusScan. Purchase the VirusScan Maintenance Plan which entitles you to 12 months of upgrades, click here. - http://store.mcafee.com/category.asp?CatID=18CategoryLevel=1rfr=VRSPLN Download the latest DAT files, click here. - http://download.mcafee.com/updates/updates.asp _Anti-Virus Tips Find out how to detect and prevent viruses with these handy tips. Click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1589 Partners AllBusiness.com - Register for your weekly business newsletter. Click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1622 Driveway - Free 25MB of online storage. Click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1623 Dash.com - Download your dashbar: the safest, most complete online companion you'll ever need. Click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1832 __Special Offer_ McAfee QuickClean: * Improves System Performance * Removes Internet Clutter * Covers Your Tracks...and more! Click here to find out more: - http://promos.mcafee.com/quickclean/default.asp?rfr=QC_1500 This Virus Alert has been issued by the McAfee Anti-Virus Emergency Response Team (AVERT). McAfee.com Support: To contact us about this dispatch, click here. - http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=1594 Subscribe: If you received this message from a friend and would like to subscribe to McAfee.com Dispatch, click here. - http://dispatch.mcafee.com/sub.asp?s=22 Note: Promotions are subject to change without notice. Click here to view our permission policy. - http://dispatch.mcafee.com/permission_policy.asp Trademarks 2000 McAfee.com Corporation / All Rights Reserved. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
Re: [CTRL] The world mocks as America squirms
ers for incorrectlyreporting that Mr Gore had won, but used the occasion to needle Arabdictators who stage overwhelming election victories for themselves.The paper's owner and editor Talal Salman wrote: "We offer our apologies toour readers for deciding on something that was still under way. Perhaps it isbecause of our deep-rooted experience of Arab democracy, particularly inLebanon, where results are given before the poll, which is then held only toconfirm the correctness of the declaration."© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2000. At this point, no matter who wins, the U.S. will still be seen by the world as a house divided!!! Babylon, in a sense, has started falling We watch and wait, but knowing that things as they were before November 7th, will never be the same. A house divided cannot stand. Jesus said in Mark 3:25"If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand" eagle 1 ./
Re: [CTRL] Election Crisis And FEMA ?
-Caveat Lector- Yes, and it seems I remember in the situation with the OKC bombing, and WACO, (etc.),that "THEY" also knew in advance... Why does this ''they knew in advance'' stuff always come out when there is a travesty of justice ongoing? By reporting this sort of disinformation, it makes it seem that our whole constitutional and judicial system is without a doubt, completely corrupt to the gore, --excuse me-- I mean core. And don't you know that the rest of the world is waiting with baited breath to jump at the "they" of the prey. I do not believe that the US and all it stands for past, present, and future, is totally corrupt. But, as they say, "ONE APPLE CAN SPOIL THE WHOLE BUNCH, Baby " and so it would appear that it has. WHY can't we support America, instead of stripping her of her dignity and credibility??? It seems there are more who would rather tear her down, and destroy her physically, morally and spiritually, leaving her butt-naked to the world for the world to do and have what they please of her. Where has any kind of national sense of moral turpitude gone? Most assuredly, it has gone down the sewer, and is haplessly floating out to sea. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Martin F. Abernathy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: [CTRL] Election "Crisis" And FEMA ? -Caveat Lector- [Note: This article was written a few days BEFORE the election took place, it seems that Sherman Skolnick knew ahead of time that there would be trouble once the ballots were counted]. http://www.skolnicksreport.com/eprovs.html --- EMERGENCY PROVISIONS FOR YEAR 2000 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION by Sherman H. Skolnick This is a story almost too sensitive to be posted. What do you really know about F.E.M.A., Federal Emergency Management Agency? Our research and investigation group learned a lot about FEMA as a result of an unpublicized federal lawsuit we brought against them in January, 1991. In fact, it was filed on the same day that President George Herbert Walker Bush ordered the bombing of his former long-time secret business partner in Baghdad, Saddam Hussein. We put together upwards of a thousand pages of the secret background of FEMA. Some of the appendix to the lawsuit was in compressed, reduced form so as to prevent it from being so bulky. Among other things, it pointed out the unconstitutional nature of FEMA. That is, some of the Federal Judges in the U.S. are also secretly officials of FEMA. Wearing two hats like that is on its face, unconstitutional. Various presidents, however, have entered little known dictatorial fiats into the Federal Register, or not recorded at all, mandating that in a so-called "emergency", it is forbidden for federal judges to take jurisdiction of any challenge in court to the fascist-like orders of FEMA, suspending habeas corpus, property ownership, right to travel from place to place, and more. We identified one of the U.S. District Judges in Chicago as being a secret official also of FEMA. A crony of his in the court seized upon our lawsuit, and without legal formality ordered our lawsuit "dismissed" and removed from the courthouse. No lawful citation of authority was given. And we had no legal recourse. Of course, we had no opportunity for "open court" hearing or proceedings of any kind. The corrupt bench and bar promote the idea that we as the American people proceed on the law and the facts. In important cases, it is a complete phantasy as I as a court reformer have discovered in more than 40 years of experiences. The one good thing that came out of it we added to our inside sources, even in FEMA, persons who secretly admire our work and assist us with details as best they can. Over the years, I as the head of our group, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, have been jailed---not for committing crimes---but for "contempt of court", for absolutely refusing to divulge sources of our data. The fact that the "authorities" hauled me away in my wheelchair, as if I were a violent bank robber, repeatedly outraged the public and after a while each time I was released. Key honchos in finance and banking, in international business, and domestic and foreign espionage agencies, have studied the Year 2000 Presidential Election. They have determined that there may be what appears to be an "Emergency" as an outgrowth of the Election. As a consequence they have sent what purport to be "U.S. Government" officials to deal with the situation. These "officials" purport to have authority ABOVE the Presidency, above the Congress, above the Courts, AND ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION. [Do not heckle me with naive protests that such is "unconstitutional", as if I
Re: [CTRL] Four other US states may recount election votes
Title: Bush, Clinton, Gore, Dole, Republican and Democrat links now pied piper, will you kindly do a page of greater or equal value on Gore? I like to make valued decisions, of all possibilities; not be persuaded by a one-sided opinion, of so called 'gathered facts'. thank you, eagle 1 - Original Message - From: ThePiedPiper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Four other US states may recount election votes Who wants someone that has a weird family philosophy?I live in Texas and the guy is strange!Here are links to prove it. (Is this one of those Internet Rumors?)
Re: [CTRL] Wife of Anti Christ
-Caveat Lector- How many more of those who are of royalty in the world, will be accused of being or being related to the antichrist, before all is said and done? Last big propaganda blow up as far as royalty goes, is that Prince Charles is undeniably the AC... (I really had a good LOL about that one!) eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:55 AM Subject: [CTRL] Wife of Anti Christ -Caveat Lector- So here is biography of Queen Noor - wife of King Hussein, of Jordan...a very very political propagandist said the Messiah was born on February 5, 1962 - right star formation, but then this phone prophetess in her next book (which she sent copy to me for I would not buy the garbage) then this woman Jean Dixon said Oh No, it was the Anti Christ born thatt date. Now the only person of signifance to this piece of propaganda was the son of King Hussein..for he was born that date. So Queen Noor trained like the anti christ child in American universities has arrived - very beautiful lady, like Eva Peron and Jackie Kennedy - beauty counts in this land of free and home of brave and in countries like Jordan where they sent over a little killer Sirhan Bishara Sirhan for truly are Kings are brothers, are they not and that phoney manchurian candidate had family tree going back 1,000 years - lots of Roscrucians trace their families back 1,000 years - but most cannot prove their pedigrees.Sirhan too short for a Royal Family - now Osama bin Laden, six foot six, is King Size. So nice story here - Meet the Wife of the Anti Christ, Made in America...so King Hussein gave throne to this son, instead of his brother, and this son was born to English lady who died in heliocopter crash. Boy those Moslems and their haramslike even Ali Khan, the week he was killed with Bettina a French Prostitute - he sat in a little restaurant in England and my little neice then 5, sat upon his lap while he was with that broad.she liked him but then, the auto crash and no more Ali Khan - he had married Rita Hayworth and they had a little daughter eating out of garbage cans in the 70 period for Rita had no interest in her little princess. Nice people...assume King Hussein, a Son of the Prophets, was made in USA too - Saba Hashemities - any relation to the old Assassins? Pull up original for nice picture of the Made in America Queen with the dyed red hair. H.M. Queen Noor of Jordan Her Majesty Queen Noor was born Lisa Najeeb Halaby on 23 August 1951, to a distinguished Arab-American family. She attended schools in Los Angeles, Washington D.C., New York City and Concord Academy in Massachusetts, before entering Princeton University in its first co-educational freshman class. After receiving a B.A. in Architecture and Urban Planning from Princeton University in 1974, Queen Noor participated in several international urban planning and design projects in Australia, Iran, the United States and Jordan. In 1976, she traveled throughout the Arab world to research aviation training facilities for the preparation of a master plan for an Arab Air University to be established in Jordan. Subsequently, she joined 'Royal Jordanian' airline as Director of Planning and Design Projects. (did she design Aire Jordan shoes?] Their Majesties the late King Hussein and Queen Noor were married on 15 June 1978. They have two sons: HRH Prince Hamzah (born 29 March 1980) and HRH Prince Hashim (born 10 June 1981), and two daughters: HRH Princess Iman (born 24 April 1983) and HRH Princess Raiyah (born 9 February 1986). Their family also includes the two children of His Majesty's previous marriage, HRH Princess Haya and HRH Prince Ali, and Ms. Abir Muheisen. (direct line of little anti Christs) December 1996 family photo: (from left to right) Front row: HRH Princess Iman, HRH Princess Raiyah and HRH Princess Haya Middle row: HM Queen Noor, HM King Hussein and Ms. Abir Muheisen. Last row: HRH Prince Hamzah, HRH Prince Ali and HRH Prince Hashim. Since her marriage to the King, Queen Noor has played a mediating role and promoted international exchange and understanding of Middle Eastern politics, Arab-Western relations and current global issues at world affairs organizations, international conferences and academic institutions. In Jordan, Queen Noor initiates, directs and sponsors projects and activities which respond to specific national needs in the areas of mother and child health care, education, women's development, environmental protection, culture, and public architecture and planning. She is actively involved with several international organizations that address global challenges in these fields. Queen Noor established the Royal Endowment for Culture and Education (RECE) in 1979, which conducted the first development research on the country'
[CTRL] Fwd: How to Keep a Healthy Level of Insanity
Break up the monotony of waiting on the results of theelection!!! SMILE!! :-) ..even LAUGH!!! A dose of humor never hurt anyone HOW TO KEEP A HEALTHY LEVEL OF INSANITY 1) At lunch time, sit in your parked car w/sunglasses on and point a hair dryer at passing cars. See if they slow down. 2) Page yourself over the intercom. Don't disguise your voice. 3) Insist that your email address is: Xena Warrior Princess [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Elvis-the-King mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]. 4) Every time someone asks you to do something, ask if they want fries with that. 5) Encourage your colleagues to join you in a little synchronized chair dancing. 6) Put your garbage can on your desk and label it "IN - BASKET." 7) Develop an unnatural fear of staplers. 8) Put decaf in the coffee maker for 3 weeks. Once everyone has gotten over their caffeine addictions, switch to espresso. 9) In the memo field of all your checks, write 'for sexual favors.' 10 Reply to everything someone says with, "That's what you think." 11) Finish all your sentences with "In accordance with the prophecy." 12) Adjust the tint on your monitor so that the brightness level lights up the entire work area. Insist to others that you like it that way. 13) Dont use any punctuation 14) As often as possible, skip rather than walk. 15) Ask people what sex they are. Laugh hysterically after they answer. 16) Specify that your drive-through order is "to go." 17) Sing along at the opera. 18) Go to a poetry recital and ask why the poems don't rhyme. 19) Find out where your boss shops and buy exactly the same outfits. Wear them one day after your boss does. (This is especially effective ifyour boss is of the opposite gender.) 20) Send e-mail to the rest of the company to tell them what you're doing. For example, "If anyone needs me, I'll be in the bathroom, in Stall #3." 21) Put mosquito netting around your cubicle. Play a tape of jungle soundsall day. 22) Five days in advance, tell your friends you can't attend their party because you're not in the mood. 23) Call 911 and ask if 911 is for emergencies. 24) Call the psychic hotline and don't say anything. 25) Have your coworkers address you by your wrestling name, Rock Hard. 26) When the money comes out of the ATM, scream "I Won!", "I Won!" "3rd timethis week!!!" 27) When leaving the zoo, start running towards the parking lot, yelling "Run for your lives, they're loose!" 28) Tell your boss, "It's not the voices in my head that bother me, its thevoices in your head that do." 29) Tell your children over dinner. "Due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go." 30) Every time you see a broom, yell "Honey, your mother is here!" And the final way to keep a healthy level of insanity 31) Send this email to everyone in your address book, even if they sent itto you or have asked you not to send them stuff like this. == Remember Chester!***Lock up antifreeze and any automotive products containing ethelyne glycol and make sure your vehicles are not leaking antifreeze or refrigerants, regardless of the time of year. Less than 1/2 a teaspoon is lethal to a 7 lb. cat. Thank you! and REMEMBER CHESTER.http://www.i-love-cats.com/meow/chester/ ./
Re: [CTRL] Poll Worker Announces Giving Gore supporters
-Caveat Lector- ROTFL But, I must say, my Mom (who is not a retiree), but is from the northeast (Boston), was not confused at all at the poll... She said there wasn't a problem with the ballot... as far as she saw. (And tho' she wouldn't tell me who she voted for, I have a sneakin' suspicion she's a Gore supporter...) I have to agree with her, that there are special interest groups that just wanted to see this election surely fall to Gore, and those interest groups created a big to-do over this, more than needed to be. And jftr, she doesn't like to play BINGO... So, please don't stereotype ALL Palm Beach residents and make them sound like they're the "Alzheimer's out to Lunch Bunch". eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "[to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Poll Worker Announces Giving Gore supporters Second Ballots -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/09/2000 5:56:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One other thing does puzzle me--the "confused" voters in Palm Beach County/ These are retirees, mostly from the northeast. _ The lesson to be learned from this is: They should pass a law in Florida that all Ballots must look like Bingo Cards. Then those senior citizens in Florida would know exactly how to work them. Regards to All Nakano ./ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] the founding fathers didnt trust us
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/dailynews/election_collegeguide.html Why an Electoral College? In a nutshell, the founding fathers didnt trust us. They didnt fear our stupidity so much as the limited ability of our forbears to learn about candidates outside their home region. Complicating matters further, a large bloc of smaller states sought to safeguard their powers within the new federal union. At one point, the founding fathers approved a system whereby Congress would choose the president something akin to Britains parliamentary system, minus the king. But that crumbled after fears that uncouth deals might be struck by legislators in private, so other proposals were considered. Direct election by the people was rejected, as was election by a vote of the governors, voting by electors chosen by each states legislators and, loopiest of all, voting by a special cadre of congressmen chosen by lot. Who Are Electors? The Constitution bans any person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States from becoming an elector. (State officials, such as governors or state legislators, are allowed.) Beyond that, anyone can do it. There are no age restrictions, no residency requirement, not even a citizenship test. In theory, theres nothing preventing a newborn from Norway from accepting a gig as a Nevada elector. In practice, however, being an elector is a political plum carefully doled out by state party officials. Usually, the major political parties select these individuals either at their state conventions or through appointment by state party leaders, while third parties and independent candidates simply designate theirs. How Are Votes Doled Out? Every state gets one electoral vote for each of its two U.S. senators, and one vote per U.S. representative. Because there is a fixed number of senators (100) and representatives (435), the number of electoral votes also is fixed at 538 with the District of Columbia getting three electoral votes (the territories have none). Therefore, the minimum number of electoral votes a state can have is three; the most of any state is Californias current 54 (two senators plus 52 representatives). With a total of 538 electoral votes, 270 are needed for a majority to win the White House. How Do They Vote? On the Monday following the second Wednesday of December (this year: Monday, Dec. 18), each states electors meet in their respective state capitals, where each casts one electoral vote for president and one for vice president. To prevent electors from voting only for favorite sons of their home state, each elector must cast at least one of their votes for a person from outside their state. According to the Office of the Federal Register, this has never been a problem because no winning presidential candidate has ever chosen a running mate from his home state. However, it would have posed a problem for the Bush-Cheney ticket had Bush won and Cheney had not switched his voter registration from Texas to Wyoming. Although the form may differ a bit from state to state, the electors do cast ballots of some sort, which they are required to sign. The ballots are then sealed and transmitted from each states secretary of state to the president of the Senate (in this case, Al Gore) who, on the following Jan. 6, opens and reads them before both houses of the Congress. The ballots also are sent to the National Archives. At this point, the candidate for president who wins an absolute majority (270 votes or more), is declared president. Likewise, the vice-presidential candidate with the absolute majority is declared vice president. At noon on Jan. 20, the duly elected president and vice president are sworn into office. What If Theres a Tie? In the event that no candidate obtains an absolute majority, the House of Representatives (as the chamber closest to the people) elects the president from among the top three contenders. The last time this happened was in 1888, when Benjamin Harrison lost to Grover Cleveland at the polls, 48 percent to 49 percent, but won in the Electoral College. Each state delegation casts only one vote, and an absolute majority of the states is required to elect. Similarly, if no vice-presidential candidate obtains an absolute majority, then the Senate picks from among the top two contenders for that office. According to the Office of the Federal Register, there is no rationale behind why the House chooses from the top three candidates for president while the Senate chooses from only the top two candidates for vice president. (Along with the Constitution itself, this process is codified in a provision in the US Code, Title III, Chapter One.) Can Electors Support Whomever They Want? States have tried to outlaw it, but a faithless elector can still is follow the framers wishes for electoral independence rather than heeding the wishes of his sponsoring
[CTRL] Bush and Gore Not Worried
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/electoralvotes001102.html Cleveland is the last of three presidential candidates in history to get more votes than his opponents, yet still lose the election. The fact that [Bush vs. Gore] is a close election raises the specter, says Neal R. Peirce, a syndicated columnist. Contrary to what some people may believe, American voters do not directly elect the president. Instead, they vote for special electors from their state. It takes votes from 270 of the 538 members of the Electoral College to win the White House. Those of us who are critics of the system believe there would be severe credibility problems for someone who has just lost the election to win the electoral vote, adds Peirce, co-author of The Electoral College Primer 2000. A pair of professors at Columbia University in New York City believe that if this years race is close, a split decision between popular and electoral votes could happen. Robert Erikson and Karl Sigman have crunched poll numbers and considered where Bush and Gore are most likely to win. They have determined Bush needs a 2 percentage point margin of victory with Americas voters to have an even shot at winning the electoral tally. If Bushs edge with voters is 1 percentage point, Gore has a 90 percent chance of an electoral victory, according to their study. Bush has big leads in several states, but they account for a more modest number of electoral votes, says Erikson, a political science professor. By contrast, Gore has smaller leads in states that yield a greater number of electoral votes. With a close popular vote, the electoral edge goes to Gore. Turmoil PossibleIf that happens, it could produce political fireworks, observers say. There would be an outcry and, yes, there would be pressure and, yes, there would be demands that we reform the system, says Curtis Gans of the Committee for the Study of the American Electorate. Most electors are directed to follow the will of the majority of their states voters. But in about half the states, electors votes are not bound by law. Political watchers say that could mean a whole new campaign, long after the polls have closed. There would be a lot of jockeying among the Electoral College for them to switch their votes, said Craig Crawford of the Hotline political digest. Can you imagine the wheeling and dealing? Different Political TimesThree times in American history, a candidate for president has gone down in defeat even though he was the popular choice of the American people. And once, a candidate who finished second in both popular and electoral votes became president anyhow. But times were different then, and many think todays electorate wouldnt allow such an event to occur without demanding change. The last time was 1888, and we werent quite at the democratic fervor that we have now, Peirce said. Women didnt vote yet, blacks were just getting the right to vote, and it was quite a different world. There are already calls, as there have been hundreds of times in the past, to eliminate the Electoral College. Last Wednesday, Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., and Rep. Ray LaHood, R-Ill., announced they are backing a push to adopt a constitutional amendment to have presidential elections decided by popular vote. Its time to put this electoral dinosaur permanently in a museum, Durbin said. Has Happened BeforeThat dinosaur dates back at least 175 years. In 1824, Andrew Jackson outpaced John Quincy Adams in both popular and electoral votes, but because of additional candidates in the race neither Jackson nor Adams gained a majority of the 261 electoral votes available that year. Under the Constitution then and now, if no candidate gets a majority of electoral votes, the decision goes to the House of Representatives. Each state gets a single vote, and that year they chose the second place finisher Adams. In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes became president when he eked out one more electoral vote than Samuel Tilden, even though Tilden had defeated him at the polls. The electoral total was 185-184 for Hayes; the popular vote was 50.9 percent to 47.9 percent for Tilden. It happened again in 1888, when Cleveland, the incumbent president, beat Benjamin Harrison at the polls, 48.6 percent to 47.8 percent. Despite the popular vote, Harrison defeated Cleveland 233 electoral votes to 168 to become president. Incidentally, four years later, Cleveland once again beat Harrison at the polls, but in that case managed to regain the presidency by defeating him in electoral votes as well. There have been some close calls in twentieth century elections as well, according to Lawrence D. Longley, Peirces co-author on The Electoral College Primer 2000. In 1960, the tally was so close that it also could be said to be a misfire since we will never know whether Kennedy or Nixon had the greatest vote, he said.
[CTRL] Fw: Billy Graham On The Importance Of Voting
-Caveat Lector- passing it on! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:15 AM Subject: Billy Graham On The Importance Of Voting Statement by Reverend Billy Graham citing his support for Governor Bush after the prayer service in Jacksonville, Florida, this morning: "Well, it's a privilege for me to be here with Governor and Mrs. Bush. We've known them since almost [when they were] children and spent a great deal of time with him both in Maine and in Washington when they were there. I've seen them many times in other places. I had the privilege of leading the inaugural prayer when he was inaugurated Governor of Texas. And I have been praying for this crucial election. And I think it's a crucial election, a critical election in the history of America. And I think that, uh, I've been praying that God's will shall be done. I don't endorse candidates. But I've come as close to it, I guess, now as a time in my life, because I think it's extremely important. "We have in our state absentee voting. I've already voted. I'll just let you guess who I voted for. And my family the same way. And we believe that there's going to be a tremendous victory and change by Tuesday night in the direction of the country. Putting it in good hands. I believe in the integrity of this man. I've known him as a boy, I've known him as a young man, I've known him now still as a young man. And we're very proud of him. I'm very thankful for the privilege of calling him friend, and his wife. It's worth getting him the White House to get her in the White House Laura is a special person, I can tell you. The things that she can dream of and do When we were in Puerto Rico holding meetings, the governors were having their governors convention down there. I suppose it was the Southern Governors. And she brought some of the governors' wives to our meeting. And just little things that I can remember many times that has bonded my heart and life to them. And if they, by God's will, win, I'm going to do everything in my power to help them make it a successful presidency. God bless all of you." --- Please join ChristiansVote.com in getting this vital effort the LARGEST POSSIBLE DISTRIBUTION http://www.ChristiansVote.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Halloween Moon
-Caveat Lector-
Though a bit late for the season...
I got this in today's mail, and I could not resist sending this on,
(with hopes that there is no offense to anyone...) :-)
I laughed, because I thought I'd seen all the "Hallowe'en Decorations"
before...
But this one, tops the cake!
Please file this one under "Seasonal Humor".
Or as
"Thoughts about the 2000 Presidential Campaign".
eagle 1
- Original Message -
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:27 PM
Subject: Halloween Moon
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Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
Whatever, Bill, FYI, I don't watch much TV at all. Don't have time for it. IF and when I do watch TV, I'm usually watching a rented movie or a prime movie channel. I get my news, online, as I hate the forcedcommercials, and nearly refuse to watch TV because of the marketing circus. My TV time is very limited, as I do work for a living. Regardless of your lack of belief, of WHEN I saw this piece, Bill, the ONLY time I have ever seen the piece on AL was when it was originally aired, as previously stated. Sorry to disappoint you. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest In a message dated 11/2/00 11:39:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I still vividly remember video of AL GORE, visiting with William Jefferson Clinton, in 1992, at the Jefferson memorial, pointing up to the president's busts that lined the round office of the former founding father, and Big Al asking: "Who are these guys?" OH MY! eagle 1What you "vividly remember" is a recent FOX News piece on this gaffe'...I hardly belive that you actually caught this when it was originally aired. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
I think we should vote for neither one of the major candidates up for grabs... Neither has the guts, nor the brains to stand up to some of the criminal leaders in the world. What we need is a REAL CROOK of a president! One who is not afraid to lie, steal and cheat. A holy president will get us no where fast. The first onslaught of terror, and either of these guys is bound to melt at a confrontation. We need a president who can take the world by the balls, and show the world that the US, is not the draft dodging, pantywaisted, sex fiends that thelame duckpresident has frequently shown in the past. NOW... WHO of the two major candidates running can stand up to this test... ? NEITHER. So I may just go cast my vote for TED NUGENT and hope the rest of the USrocks the vote as well!!! - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest In a message dated 11/3/00 7:38:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well why don;t someone ask Gore and Clinton if they are Communists? They are traitors! So "stoopid"...why ask such DUMBASSED questions of this well-read list??? Here's a thought...LOOK UP THE WORD "COMMUNIST"...methinks you'll see why nobody with an OPERATIVE BRAIN asks such a MORONIC question! By the way..."socially liberal" DOESN'T equal COMMUNIST... NO FURTHER COMMENT NEEDED... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- IF this is the worst skeleton that must be dragged out from Bush's closet... then, is there really a problem with this? unless there was a chronic problem with drinking...? This happened at what? Age 30? Hmm? That's 24 years ago. Let's see, and how old is he now? 54? and he has no other DUI charges in 24 years? Sounds like he learned from the error of his ways. Dragging this kind of ludicrous stuff in the mud only makes Gore look more like an idiot every day. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Steve Wingate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:54 PM Subject: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest -Caveat Lector- (What else is Bush not telling us? --SW) Bush aides acknowledge 1976 DUI charge November 2, 2000 Web posted at: 7:41 p.m. EST (0041 GMT) From staff and wire reports GLEN ELLYN, Illinois -- Aides to Texas Gov. George W. Bush acknowledged Thursday that in 1976 Bush was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol in Kennebunkport, Maine. Bush, who was 30 at the time, paid a $150 fine and his driving privileges were temporarily suspended in that state. Responding to a news report about the arrest just five days before the presidential election, one aide here said, "We obviously believe the timing of this disclosure is political. It was leaked with the intent of hurting the governor." Campaign officials for Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore declined to comment. "It's not something he's proud of," Bush spokeswoman Mindy Tucker said, explaining why Bush had not come forward with the information on his own. Bush was pulled over by police for driving too slowly near his family's Kennebunkport, Maine, summer home during the Labor Day weekend. Other people were in the car, but Tucker did not know who. The GOP presidential nominee has said he quit drinking the day after his 40th birthday -- July 6, 1986. Alcohol "was beginning to compete for my affections," he told an interviewer in September. His presidential campaign said Thursday they decided to release details after the 1976 police report was faxed to Maine news outlets. CNN Correspondent Candy Crowley and The Associated Press contributed to this report. ./ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
So what if Gore lied, or Bush lied... about ANYTHING... ??? (Maybe they both wear pantyhose? Has either lied about this yet?Heck, what brand do they use??? THAT would be more useful information). Who really cares about who lied about what? The past is the past and no one is going to change what either one of these nutzoids did in their pasts. The bottom line is you are not going to find the perfect candidate in the choices for president available. So why bother? And why even botherto vote? NEITHER is worthy of my time to go to the poll. Fact is, you're going to get screwed, regardless of who is elected this time. Face reality. So why bring up trivial BS like a 24 year oldDUI chargethat has irrelevance to the subject at hand? NEITHER candidate, in my opinion, has the CHARACTER, nor the QUALITY that is required to be the president of this great country for the next four to possibly eight years, (not to mention that their salary is coming out of YOUR paycheck every week). So, we all are going to pay to get screwed, again. (As if we haven't already been paying for the same treatment the past 8 years). What a wonderful thought for the new millennium'sfuture. NOT! eagle 1 - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest In a message dated 11/2/00 7:24:40 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IF this is the worst skeleton that must be dragged out from Bush's closet... then, is there really a problem with this? unless there was a chronic problem with drinking...? This happened at what? Age 30? Hmm? The big issue is whether Bush ever lied about his conviction on any loan/mortgage type papers...that's the interesting part! Bill. .
[CTRL] Yom Kippur 2 ?
The following article appeared onNovember 01, 2000,Jerusalem Post editorial page. While I do not agree with the author that Egypt may be preparing to join in a surprise attack upon Israel, he makes some very sobering points overall. Will thisindeed end up in a major Mideast war? IS THIS 1973 or 2000?By Michael Freund(November 1) - The ongoing violence in the territories has shiftedattention away from what may be the gravest threat facing Israel sincethe 1973 Yom Kippur War: the possibility of a surprise, all-out Arabassault. For the first time in years, a dangerous confluence of factors has emerged presenting the Arab states with a unique opportunity tolaunch a coordinated attack against the Jewish state.Israel's traditional friends abroad are largely preoccupied. America isat the end of a tight election campaign. Washington is distracted, anduntil the next president is inaugurated in January, there will be avacuum of power at the top. Though the US would almost certainly come toIsrael's aid in the event of an attack, a lame-duck Clintonadministration would be hard pressed to mount the requisite diplomaticeffort to quell the violence swiftly.That leaves the Europeans - but they are heavily dependent on Arab oil.The oil markets have been volatile, with the price per barrel now around$35, three times greater than a year ago.In addition, Israel's image throughout the world has been battered byrecent events. Israeli officials acknowledge that the Palestinians arewinning the propaganda war. Increased sympathy for the Palestinians wouldsoften the reaction of world public opinion were the Arab states todeclare that they are coming to the defense of their Palestinian "brothers."Internally, Israel is politically divided and psychologically ailing fromdecades of conflict and discord. The political system is in disarray,with many expecting new elections some time early next year. One millionIsraeli Arabs are seething with anger, as the riots in the north recentlydemonstrated. Secular-religious tensions and the dispute between left andright have divided the nation unlike ever before. Our Arab neighbors mayperceive this division as a sign of national weakness waiting to be exploited. Recent Israeli actions have served to reinforce the growing perception ofIsraeli vulnerability. The retreat under fire from Lebanon, theabandonment of Joseph's Tomb, and the repeated Israeli issuance of emptyultimatums have all sent signals of moral and psychological exhaustion.On the ground, the Israeli army is strung out, with untold numbers ofsoldiers protecting dozens of settlements and roads throughout theterritories. Other troops have been deployed along the Lebanese border toprotect the northern communities from possible Hizbullah attacks. It mayvery well be that the army is spread too thin.For an Arab strategic planner sitting in Cairo or Damascus, it would bedifficult to ignore the temptation posed by Israel's current dilemma.With its allies distracted, its society split, its image besmirched andits security forces engaged, Israel would appear to be ripe for an attack. As the 1973 Yom Kippur War demonstrated, such attacks are carefullyplanned and orchestrated in advance. A key component of any such plotwould include deceptive measures designed to lull Israel into a falsesense of security. As the late president Chaim Herzog pointed out in hishistory of the Arab-Israeli wars, Egypt launched a disinformation campaign in mid-1973 to create the impression that it was unprepared for war.What if the recent Arab summit in Cairo were part of a similar campaignof deception? The relatively moderate outcome of the summit would seem to belie such apossibility. But Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's address, in which heintimated that Egypt is unprepared to go to war, sounded like a throwbackto 1973. For years, Egypt has been spending billions of dollars toupgrade its armed forces and provide them with the latest Americanmilitary technology. Mubarak's statement seems more like a smokescreenthan a description of reality.The dangers inherent in such a scenario should not be dismissed out ofhand. If the Arab states were to launch a surprise attack, Israel wouldbe faced with fighting a conventional war on its borders at the same timeas it would be facing guerilla warfare in the territories, a wave ofterrorism in its cities, and an uprising by a restive Israeli Arab population.As strong as we are, this may be too much to bear. Even victory wouldcome at a calamitous price. The only way to minimize the danger is toprepare for it in advance. It is the duty and obligation of our securityestablishment to be ready for even this possibility, lest the trauma of1973 repeat itself.(The writer is a former deputy director of communications and policyplanning in the Prime Minister's Office.) DAVID DOLAN is a Jerusalem-based author and journalist. He has written the monthly Israel News
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- Steve W, Perhaps I should have been more specific... I meant, a problem involving **drinking and driving**, that precipitated your 24 year old report of DUI arrest, which is the topic of this thread of discussion. Also, he [Bush] says he hasn't been under the influence of demanding alcohol in 14 years. That's quite a while ago. Fourteen years is plenty of time to "get over it". So what's your point??? He got the rehab he needed, obviously... and does not still have the problem, so he says. WHY beat a dead horse? The subject is moot at this point. This kind of political mud slinging is exactly what I do not understand about the 'new democrats', i.e... bringing up stuff that happened "x" many years ago, as if it is still the problem today. I know many people who are quote **FORMER** alcoholics and function just fine in their jobs today, successfully, without a drink even under stress. I also know many who have previously had some psychological problems, but, again, function normally and without problems today. Everyone tells the person who needs help to go to rehab. They go, and are rehabilitated, or rehabilitate themselves, yet everyone still points and accuses as though the problem still exists. What's your point? except to attempt to defamate the candidate you see as least fit. I reiterate, it doesn't matter who wins... We're all losers in the final analysis, on the day that either of these yahoos is sworn to office. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Steve Wingate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest -Caveat Lector- On 2 Nov 00, at 19:32, Eagle 1 wrote: then, is there really a problem with this? unless there was a chronic problem with drinking...? But Bush did have a chronic problem with alcohol and is apparently an alcoholic, who claims he does not drink or do drugs anymore. Ok, but I have to wonder how he will do under stress. We know what stress did to Clinton. ;-) Steve ./ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- Anyone wishing to "see" for themselves, the Bush DUI article... for mudslinging politics as usual Please go to: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001102/ts/bush_arrest_dc_5.html -snip- Bush, running neck-and-neck with Democratic rival Al Gore (news - web sites), also questioned the timing of the report -- five days before the Nov. 7 election -- saying, ``I have my suspicions.'' The Gore campaign has denied any involvement in leaking the news. ``I'm not proud of that. I've often said that years ago I made some mistakes,'' Bush told reporters. ``I regret that it happened. But it did ... I stopped drinking 14 years ago and I haven't had a drop since.'' Asked why he had not disclosed the incident earlier, Bush said: ``I didn't want my girls to do the same thing. I'm not trying to get away with anything. I didn't want to talk about this in front of my daughters. I didn't want them drinking and driving. It was a decision I made.'' Bush said he was arrested after a drinking session with former Australian tennis star John Newcombe. In the car as well were Newcombe's wife and two other people. Bush campaign spokeswoman Karen Hughes said Bush, who was 30 at the time, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of driving while under the influence, paid a $150 fine, and had his license temporarily suspended in the state of Maine. snip- - Original Message ----- From: "Eagle 1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest -Caveat Lector- Steve W, Perhaps I should have been more specific... I meant, a problem involving **drinking and driving**, that precipitated your 24 year old report of DUI arrest, which is the topic of this thread of discussion. Also, he [Bush] says he hasn't been under the influence of demanding alcohol in 14 years. That's quite a while ago. Fourteen years is plenty of time to "get over it". So what's your point??? He got the rehab he needed, obviously... and does not still have the problem, so he says. WHY beat a dead horse? The subject is moot at this point. This kind of political mud slinging is exactly what I do not understand about the 'new democrats', i.e... bringing up stuff that happened "x" many years ago, as if it is still the problem today. I know many people who are quote **FORMER** alcoholics and function just fine in their jobs today, successfully, without a drink even under stress. I also know many who have previously had some psychological problems, but, again, function normally and without problems today. Everyone tells the person who needs help to go to rehab. They go, and are rehabilitated, or rehabilitate themselves, yet everyone still points and accuses as though the problem still exists. What's your point? except to attempt to defamate the candidate you see as least fit. I reiterate, it doesn't matter who wins... We're all losers in the final analysis, on the day that either of these yahoos is sworn to office. eagle 1 ./ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- SW says, Bush is not ready for prime time. Can he even read? Has he been tested? :-) And please, let's don't leave anyone out, as we've known for eight long years that Albert Gore isn't ready for prime time either. I still vividly remember video of AL GORE, visiting with William Jefferson Clinton, in 1992, at the Jefferson memorial, pointing up to the president's busts that lined the round office of the former founding father, and Big Al asking: "Who are these guys?" OH MY! eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Steve Wingate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest -Caveat Lector- On 2 Nov 00, at 22:36, Eagle 1 wrote: What's your point? except to attempt to defamate the candidate you see as least fit. These allegations have been on the Internet for many months. Someone sent an email about a G. Bush or something like that arrested for drunk driving in Maine. Bush's press secretary admitted today she was aware of his previous arrests (actually two, one in his earlier, earlier youth for stealing a wreath from a hotel). I think the real issue here is Bush's lack of truthfulness and openness about his past, some of which is part of the public records. (Maybe he assumed it had been expunged due to his father's status) The lack of his foresight in not releasing this information about his arrests earlier shows his lack of leadership and yes, intelligence. Bush is not ready for prime time. Can he even read? Has he been tested? :-) Steve ./ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gore on gun safety
-Caveat Lector- Bill, ROTFL, thanks for the reminder that this guy isn't playing with a full deck!!! LOL. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Bill Richer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:29 PM Subject: [CTRL] Gore on gun safety A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Albert Pike and the Illuminati
-Caveat Lector- http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pike.htm#Albert%20Pike Albert Pike Albert Pike also of Newbury Port moved to Arkansas where he became a prominent member of the secessionist movement. He was chosen by Mazzini to head the Illuminati operations in America and moved to Charleston, South Carolina, in 1852. During the war he was made a brigadier general and placed in charge of raising an army of Indians. Pike's reign of terror was so despicable that foreign governments intervened to put an end to his savagery. Mazzini was not only the head of the Illuminati, he was the leading revolutionist in Europe. He was determined to establish a New World Order on the rubble of the old order and created a plan to accomplish his goal. He detailed his plan for world domination in a letter to Pike on January 22, 1870: "We must allow all the federations to continue just as they are, with their systems, their central authorities and their diverse modes of correspondence between high grades of the same rite, organized as they are at the present, but we must create a super rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree whom we shall select. With regard to our brothers in Masonry, these men must be pledges to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one international center, the more powerful because its direction will be unknown. Lady Queensborough, pp. 208-209. This secret rite is called "The New and Reformed Palladian Rite." It has headquarters in Charleston, S.C., Roma Italia, and Berlin Germany. Pike headed this rite in the Western Hemisphere while Mazzini headed it in the East. Pike wrote about his beliefs and goals in 1871 in "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry." In this massive volume he explained that the "blind Force of the people is a Force that must be economized, and also managed... it must be regulated by intellect. "To attack the citadels (Institutions) built up on all sides against the human race by superstitions (religion), despotisms, and prejudices, the force must have a brain and a law (the Illuminati's). Then its (Force) deeds of daring produce permanent results, and there is real progress. Then there are sublime conquests... When all forces combined, and guided by the Intellect (Illuminati), and regulated by the Rule of Right, and Justice, and of combined and systematic movement and effort, the great revolution prepared for the ages will begin to march... It is because Force is ill regulated that revolutions prove failures" MORALS AND DOGMA OF THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED SCOTTISH RITE OF FREEMASONRY 1-2 (Rev. Ed. 1950). Even though Pike was a confederate general who committed the most heinous atrocities of the war his tomb is located just 13 blocks from the Capitol Building. He was a high ranking member of the Illuminati who is still revered by the New World Order Gang. The god of the Illuminati and the New World Order Gang is Lucifer. "The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine... Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay (Jesus) is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive..."The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay (Jesus); but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil." "La Femme et l'enfant dans la Franc-Maconnerie Universelle," A.C. De La Rive, p. 588; Lady Queenborough, pp. 220-221. Pike designed a plan for world conquest and wrote of it in a letter to Mazzini dated August 15, 1871. He said three future world wars would prepare the world for the New World Order. In the third world war "we shall unleash the Nihilists and atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirit will from that moment be without a compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the pure light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and
[CTRL] people can be convinced...
f things happened to them. People borrow memories from others and adopt them as their own experiences. It is part of the normal process of memory." In addition, she said the study reinforces the idea that therapists need to be careful in using potentially suggestive procedures that could change a patient's perceived likelihood of unremembered events. These include UFO abductions, serious trauma suffered in a past life, or participating in or witnessing satanic rituals (common elements in abuse claims). "This study can help us understand how you can take normal people and create this kind of effect - make demonic possession seem plausible," Loftus said. "It normalizes this process and shows it can happen to a lot of people, not only to those who are considered to be 'kooks.'" ### For more information, contact Loftus at (206) 543-7184 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
Re: [CTRL] Alcohol Crackdown Goes Too Far
-Caveat Lector- Bill's article said, Let's face it: Groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving aren't going to be satisfied until we live in a society that has a "zero tolerance" policy toward drinking and driving. Just like all other things... if this goes through for MADD, which I actually think has the right idea, just that they are getting a bit over zealous... What's next? Which over zealous organization or grass root movement will attempt to ban which toilet paper you can purchase? All things are not created equal, but when you have nutzoids like these trying to change everything to make all things equal... THEN, we have a problem. I do agree with your statement... Not only do I dislike the taste of alcohol, I've witnessed the destructive powers of alcoholism in people's lives. I just believe that in this case, the punishment far exceeds the crime. Thanks for the article, Bill. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Bill Richer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: [CTRL] Alcohol Crackdown Goes Too Far -Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Alcohol Crackdown Goes Too Far Mike Gallagher Wednesday, Oct. 11, 2000 It appears to be a foregone conclusion that the new national drunk-driving standard will be a 0.08 blood-alcohol content. After years of pressure from well-meaning groups like MADD, this week the House and Senate are passing legislation that President Clinton will sign into law. The previous blood-alcohol maximum for most states had been 0.10, but anti-drunk-driving activists have lobbied furiously to lower this limit. I know it's not politically correct or fashionable to say what I'm about to about to say. But it seems obvious that there are plenty of responsible casual social drinkers who face having their lives turned upside down by this decision. Is a 120-pound woman who has two 6-ounce glasses of wine at dinner over a two-hour period REALLY a dangerous and deadly drunk driver? The government 's own statistics say that such a case would result in at least a 0.08 blood alcohol level. So that 120-pound woman who had two glasses of chardonnay with her salmon dinner faces jail time, perhaps a loss of her job - all without so much as one swerve in the road, now that we have random DUI checkpoints being established all over the country. Let's face it: Groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving aren't going to be satisfied until we live in a society that has a "zero tolerance" policy toward drinking and driving. These people have good reason to feel the way they do. Most of them have lost a loved one to the stupidity and criminality of a drunk driver. But to suggest that we arrest, handcuff and fingerprint someone who had a glass or two of wine or beer is Draconian and unnecessary. MADD activists always ignore the fact that there are plenty of careful and responsible adults who pose no threat to safety after drinking their occasional glass of wine. Trying to pretend that alcohol is an illegal substance isn't going to work. Make no mistake about my position on drunk drivers who harm someone. Throw the book at them; prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. But to demonize each and every person who has an occasional drink is downright ridiculous. Incidentally, I'm a teetotaler. Not only do I dislike the taste of alcohol, I've witnessed the destructive powers of alcoholism in people's lives. I just believe that in this case, the punishment far exceeds the crime. . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights
-Caveat Lector- Hey Bill, Atilla the Hun or none... I kinda like old Ted... :-) Music, long hair, guitar, amazon etc.etc... Ted's not necessarily right or necessarily left... He's an American, and has the platform to speak what he believes. Maybe if you quit judging (probably wishing you were Ted or had his talent and money ), and perhaps if you'd ever listen a moment, you might find, he has opinions, albeit, not agreeing with yours or even mine, but he does have the "right" to speak and persuade if he can. Leave him alone. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/00 8:23:55 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger? He's a hippie and hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be. He's no hippy...he has long hair but that means nothing. If you knew anything about him, which it's clear you don't, you'd know that he's to the right of Atilla the Hun. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Get that dynamite out of your pants! .
, Anthony said. Airlines were more skeptical. The seven seconds necessary to pass through a Sentinel can feel like an eternity to people waiting in a long airport line, and that worries airlines. Though the FAA mandates what equipment is used to screen people at airport gates, airlines help foot the bill. The equipment tends to be a bit slow and you see long lines right now at airport security, said Southwest Airlines spokeswoman Linda Rutherford. Walkthrough systems are also very, very expensive right now, she said. Wood said the Sentinel would probably be used to scan only selected people though he said two units together can handle most checkpoints. We think were right at that point where it can be used for everyone, he said. . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln . To subscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb abcnewscom_83x20.gif 000921sentinel.jpg
[CTRL] increase voter turnout: GIVE THEM A CANDIDATE TO HATE
ns in much the same way as do informed voters. "People use the same strategies for making decisions in all areas of life," Krosnick said. "You don't need special expertise in politics to make a voting decision." Co-authors of the study were Allyson Holbrook of Ohio State, Penny Visser of Princeton University, Wendi Gardner of Northwestern University, and John Cacioppo of the University of Chicago. The research was conducted partly while Krosnick was a Fellow at the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences and supported by a National Science Foundation grant. # . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer "Observing the World Around You" http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do as he pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far as it in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Robots Rule OK?
Hmm? Is insurance on it's way out? One less added expense? Could this be the answer to the medicare problem? A human-like robot nurse or doctor to take care of the elderly in home? For an initial payment of the price of an automobile, and a few dollars a month for electrical charging, it would actually be pretty cheap considering how much a nursing home costs per month and doctor assisted calls when there is a problem Having a "Data" type personna hanging around to do my bidding might not be a bad idea. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Robert F. Tatman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: [CTRL] Robots Rule OK? Just *whose* New World Order was that, anyway? -- -- - http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/from_our_own_correspondent/newsid_888 000/ 888059.stm Sunday, 20 August, 2000, 11:42 GMT 12:42 UK Robots rule OK? Scientists ask: How human do we want to make our robots? By Peter Day in Pittsburgh I went to Pittsburgh to talk to a man about robots. Once a dirty coal and steel town, it is now a centre of finance, medicine and learning. I went there to meet a remarkable academic whose predictions may make your flesh creep. In fact, Hans Moravec is the most amiable of men. He has been building robots since he was 10. Talked about for so long, now, he thinks, their time has come. By around 2050, predicts Hans Moravec, a computer costing only a few hundred pounds will have the capacity of the human mind - after that, it will start exceeding it Certainly the little machines were buzzing along the corridors of Carnegie Mellon University's Department of Robotics on the day I was there, recognising their surroundings and edging around them. But that is nothing. Mr Moravec's thesis is that some time in the next 50 years, machines like these are going to become more intelligent than we are. It is, he says, the way the world is evolving. Brain power Currently, he says, men can create machines such as the ones negotiating his corridors with the calculating powers of insects. But with computer power doubling every year, or year and a half, robots will evolve from insects to animals to human intelligence - at breakneck speed. By around 2050, predicts Hans Moravec, a computer costing only a few hundred pounds will have the capacity of the human mind. After that, it will start exceeding it. It may sound like pure science fiction, but it is serious academic stuff. Sometimes we non-scientists glimpse the details of it. Human chromosomes - but will robots soon be superior? The American computer chip maker Gordon Moore enunciated what is now known as Moore's Law 30 years ago, when he noticed that the power and pace of computing was doubling every 18 months or so. But the roboteer Hans Moravec thinks the evolving change we are now experiencing in computing has in fact been going for centuries in human evolution. When machines have more intelligence than men, they will be able to do the things we do better and faster than we do. Taking over For Hans Moravec - and he keeps a straight face here - that means they will start taking over from us. It is not, he insists, a frightening prospect. These super-intelligent machines will be our children, says Mr Moravec. Each generation of humans eventually learns to accept the idea of handing over continuing existence to its own offspring. Well, the abiding faith in technological progress has long been one of the defining features of American life - it is a mainspring of the country's current extraordinary optimism. But even some Americans see a dark lining to the silver cloud. In the networked computer world...knowledge about all these things is now readily available to everyone - for good uses or bad The scientist Bill Joy is an influential man. He is one of the founders of the huge computer company Sun Microsystems. The magazine Fortune called him the "Edison of the Internet". Last year when I saw him in his think-tank hideaway in Aspen, the ski resort in the Rocky Mountains, he was still one of the optimists. But now Bill Joy is having second thoughts, about things such as the advances in robotics that Mr Moravec is predicting. Plagues Add to them the human genome project, and nanotechnology, the new ability to build minute machines that can replicate themselves, too small for the human eye to see. The result, says Bill Joy, is the possibility of electronic and biological plagues which could threaten the future of the human race. In the networked computer world he has been instrumental in creating, knowledge about all these things is now readily available to everyone - for good uses or bad. Most of the technology experts dismiss out of hand the idea of reining themselves i
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Report: Violent Entertainment Aimed At Young
Aleisha Saba said, Ever try to send a nice kid to a school with vermin? Well people permitted bussing to lower the standards of the more affluent who now have taken on attributes of the lower classes. Aleisha, I am one who can attest to this fact personally, except that I never took on the attributes of the lower classes, but observed them, and even experienced the fury. I was a "bussed" student from one area of town predominantly white to an area that was more predominantly black. The ratio, as a matter of fact, was 100% black at the school, before the bussing. After the bussing, reduced the ratio to a mere 80%. What did I learn from the 80% of black students at that school? I learned con games; racism to the max; stabbing; extortion; robbery; hate; and rape... (this is called "experiencing the fury", for I personally experienced this from the predominance of the school... or it was attempted). and I also learned that the teachers always turned their heads and refused to "see" what was going on, because it was better that they "don't get involved in student issues" during the initialization of the program. What did I learn in the all-white private school? No violent actions, just racism THIS was in 1969. WHAT have we learned in 32+ years of this crap? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! The problem survives because it wants to survive, and because the gov 't wants it to survive. But please don't blame the teachers... and please don't blame the entertainment industry. Blame the PARENTS WHO CHOOSE to raise their child in hostile environments and do nothing to correct it. As a matter of fact, many promote it, with the philosophy that "THIS" is what you need to survive. NOT SO!!! Ignorance, breeds ignorance; and so it continues... But, you're right about one thing, in this country, ANYONE who does not want to live in the ghetto or be known as from the ghetto has the opportunity to rise above and escape. The problem is, too many see it as an EFFORT... and the word 'work' is a four-letter word to some. I see it everyday that I show up for work and have to do the work of three people who didn't do their job before me. I'm tired of it... but people don't change, unless they want to. I've tried leaving the work and not cleaning up after these who find 'work' offensive... (they never have a problem picking up their pay check, tho') but, the job only gets bigger the next day. So, I continue to 'clean up' after the whiners and complainers, who would get a lot of work done, if they'd just focus their energy on their job, and not on complaining about what they have to do to earn a pay check. Did I send my children on to a private school...? No, I didn't do what my parents did by doing that to me, which was AVOIDING the problem. I homeschooled, and taught my children real values, and real education, myself, but kept them active with their constituents in the community. They are now both successful and have good jobs, and oh yes, the most important factor... their friendships are very diverse, from black to asian to jewish and others. Am I a racist? Absolutely not. But I certainly could be, just from experience, if I wanted to be. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Report: Violent Entertainment Aimed At Young We have a whole generation of kids grown up now and raised on violent television and garbageLarry Flynt was made into a hero. Do not blame the kidsdrugs peddles by Mafia making big money, but kids go to jail? Ever try to send a nice kid to a school with vermin? Well people permitted bussing to lower the standards of the more affluent who now have taken on attributes of the lower classes. Anyone with a brain can get out of a ghetto if they really want to - and it is the schools who should be teaching this, and not the wonder world of homosexuality and AIDS. My grandson will go to private school, and I do not care if it is a school for Druids so long as he is around like people - civil, courteous, and white. That is my choice. So birds of feather flock together, and my red birds still prefer to eat alone as do my blue jays, and the black birds come in and hog all the food. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
[CTRL] Fw: joke
Passing it on... Joke? Or is it Vision? eagle 1 - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:06 AM Subject: joke Bill Clinton fell deathly ill while being transported home from his Africa trip. Apparently he picked up a strange, life- threatening disease in one of the villages. He was rushed to Bethesda Naval Hospital for a complicated operation. He went under the knife in the early morning, and when he awoke, he saw that the curtains were closed around him and it was dark. "Why are the curtains closed?" the President asked the Secret Service agent sitting beside his bed, "Is it night already?" "No, Sir," the agent said, "There is a huge fire across the street and we didn't want you waking up and looking out the window and thinking that the operation was unsuccessful." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The North Pole has melted.
The North Pole has melted. Now, where will Santa Claus live? Will Santa be homeless? And what about the Reindeer? Something must be done... SAVE SANTA CLAUS! - Original Message - From: "Robert F. Tatman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The North Pole has melted. . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freemasonry Watch - Monitoring the Invisible Empire, the World's Largest Secret Society
Question "NSA": Are you a Mason? - Original Message - From: "NSA" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Freemasonry Watch - Monitoring the Invisible Empire, the World's Largest Secret Society LOLOLOL!!! This is some of the most hilarious baloney I've seen on the NET yet!!! Gadzooks Batman!!! The site even has sanctimonious quotations from the Masons ancient nemesis the Vatican as a source of "truth" about them. All quite too funny for words! If anyone out there is paranoid enough to give this crock any credence, aside from seeing a psychiatrist, I would otherwise suggest perhaps getting the "brothers" own version of their perception of themselves, their philosophical musings, and how they relate to society as a whole. http://masonicinfo.com . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] a blueprint for Conspiracy
Hi June, I still want to know who would put out something like that website and what is the purpose to be accomplished? I have to ask the same question, regarding Satan, and also I've read some information regarding the use of the word Satan, which means an opponent; attacker; adversary; and culmutively: ''the accuser''... as being the prosecuting attorney in a court of law. 'Accuser' seems to be the main idea behind the use of the word. But I am curious as to why Jews would not believe in Satan. The use of the word occurs chronologically first in the O.T. in 1-Chronicles 21:1; it appears 14 times in Job; then once in Psalm 109:6; and lastly in the O.T. in Zechariah 3:1-2 . The word is used 35 times in the N.T. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] a blueprint for Conspiracy From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jews don't even believe in Satan. I agree it's racist bullshit... But I question the statement that Jews don't believe in Satan, because Satan isn't a New Testament invention June . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] a blueprint for Conspiracy
Nessie, Just for the record, I did not ask my question with even a shred of racism in mind. I'm just curious that if the writer(s) of the O.T. would use the word 'Satan', and it's written primarily in Hebrew, the original language of the Jews, and the rest of the Hebrews, then I was, as stated just curious, to learn the foundation use of the word. Again, reiterating that I had no thoughts of racism in mind at the time of the question. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] a blueprint for Conspiracy [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: But I question the statement that Jews don't believe in Satan Discussing what Jews believe is racist. All Jews do not believe the same thing. Some Jews believe one thing and other Jews believe something else. This is also true of Poles, Thais, Ashantis, Australians, students, grandmothers, truck drivers, red heads, right handed people and people wearing hats. Jews are individuals. All individuals are capable of independent thought. This is even true of people on this list. . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE END OF THE WORLD THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
Very interesting, very sci fi... Sounds like he's had a triple dose of Hal Lindsay over the past 25 years... The story is novel, not Biblical. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Michael Pugliese" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:38 PM Subject: [CTRL] THE END OF THE WORLD THE NEW WORLD ORDER. EOTW - THE END OF THE WORLD THE NEW WORLD ORDER http://eotw.orac.net.au/articles/nwo.html THE END OF THE WORLD THE NEW WORLD ORDER Black Helicopters, Hong Kong Gurkhas, Global Conspiracies, The Mark of the Beast By Tim Callahan As I write this introduction to the excerpt from my new book on Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment?, the movie Independence Day set a new record of $96 million gross on its opening weekend. The movie opens with a youthful technician in the SETI program headquarters checking the monitors for signs of extra terrestrial intelligence, while his boom box blasts the rock song "It's the End of the World." For the erstwhile Earthlings in the movie it almost was the end of the world as the space aliens were not exactly the friendly types depicted in ET, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and other Sci Fi blockbusters. Why are we so fascinated by "end of the world" stories? Sure, Independence Day owes some of its success to a huge marketing campaign that began on Superbowl Sunday seven months before (telling viewers this would be their last Superbowl Sunday party); and to the spectacular special effects depicting the explosion of the Empire State Building, the White House, and other national monuments. But there is something deeper here, that goes to the heart of our psyche-the belief that one way or another we are doomed. Sci Fi authors and film producers are simply capitalizing on a theme that has been with us since biblical times. In Skeptic, Vol. 3, #2, I wrote a review of Hal Lindsey's book Planet Earth-2000 A.D., in which I showed that as we approach the big millennium date doomsday warnings will proliferate in pop culture. Lindsey (like all doomsayers) was cautious, however, hedging his prediction with alternatives for 2007 or even 2048 (when he will be long gone), just in case 2000 comes and goes without incident. In my book I review all the major biblical prophecies, especially those concerned with the end times. In this essay (the final chapter from the book) I link biblical prophecies of the end times (the "mark of the beast" and all that) with modern global conspiracy theories that involve black helicopters, Hong Kong Gurkhas, militia, and the so-called "New World Order" which are supposed to signal that the end is nigh. So before you decide to eat, drink, and be merry, read on. Modern Technology Other Signs of the End The Bible, especially the book of Revelation, is filled with allegorical stories and symbolic tales. The problem is in interpretation. Are these stories prophetic warnings for us, or social commentary for the readers of the time of their writing? Fundamentalists and conspiratorialists try desperately to stretch apocalyptic writings (that were about the politics of their time) to fit modern times. They also try to fit poetic pictures of destruction into modern technology. The most obvious of these is the idea that fire raining down from heaven means nuclear-armed missiles. Another is the idea that the phrase "every eye shall see him" (Rev. 1:7) refers to the return of Christ being seen worldwide on television. Hal Lindsey has speculated that the demonic locusts, the plague of the fifth trumpet, represent helicopters. Here is the actual description of the locusts from Rev. 9:7-10: In appearance the locusts were like horses arrayed for battle; on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth; they had scales like iron breastplates, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots rushing into battle. They have tails like scorpions, and stings, and their power of hurting men for five months lies in their tails. In that their wings make a rushing noise, that helicopters could be said to look as if they have stinger-like tails, and that the locusts' armor could be said to be a description of the metal skin of helicopters, the locusts could be stretched to fit these modern machines, if one uses a good deal of imagination. Hal Lindsey apparently took the locusts with faces of men as being the crew of the helicopters as seen in the cockpit from without. Just how it is that military helicopters would torture, but not kill, for five months is not explained. On the other hand, locusts commonly live for five months, and the prophet Joel's locusts were also like horses (see Joel 2:4-9). It is also hard to figure how they could have come out of the smoke from the bottomless
[CTRL] a blueprint for Conspiracy
Can't say I know quite what to think about this link. It could be an illuminati double reverse disinformation site... but then again, it could be true... regardless, true or false... it's shocking. The Jewish Conspiracy FAQ A primer for the hapless goyim http://www.netaxs.com/~balpert/jewfaq.html What the Talmud tells us: a blueprint for Conspiracy eagle 1 . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
Re: [CTRL] a blueprint for Conspiracy
Ok, thanks, Mark, (tho' the explicitive "f" word was not necessary). WHO? then, puts this stuff out? This came from a very reliable source to me... I'm absolutely *not* promoting it, but want to know it's roots. Thanks, eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Mark McHugh" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] a blueprint for Conspiracy Eagle 1 wrote: Can't say I know quite what to think about this link. It could be an illuminati double reverse disinformation site... but then again, it could be true... regardless, true or false... it's shocking. The Jewish Conspiracy FAQ A primer for the hapless goyim http://www.netaxs.com/~balpert/jewfaq.html What the Talmud tells us: a blueprint for Conspiracy eagle 1 This guy likes to fuck with Jewhaters all the time on various Usenet newsgroups. -- ´´ Mark McHugh . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
I'm really not surprised. Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mailSent. It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!! Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent charge on every delivered E-mail. Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online, and continue using E-mail. The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect our use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service will be attempting to bill E-mail users out of "alternative postage fees". Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent surcharge on every E-Mail delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. The US Postal Service is claiming lost revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail,is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign: There is nothing like a letter." Since the average person received about 10 pieces of E-mail per day in 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents a day - or over $180 per year - above and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to the US Postal Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is democracy and on interference. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from coast to coast. If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. Our congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a "$20-$40 per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the governments proposed E-mail charge. Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story the only exception being the Washingtonian - which called the idea of E-mail surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" (March 6th, 1999 Editorial). Do not sit by and watch your freedom erode away! Send this to E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends and relatives write their congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments of your time and could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we do not want. Please forward 602P Sorry it is so long. ^i^Angel . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
OK... Thanks Tenorlove! Appreciate the insight.. However, I still do not put past the government to find a way to TAX the internet. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I've heard of it -- at http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blemtax2.htm __ . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
A. Saba I totally agree with your posting below; and couldn't have said it better. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? Eagle I - On TV recently there was an item and I did not catch it all, on FOX or MSNBC, where the US Post Office is going to make use of the internet and there will be a charge - not sure what they want to do, but it would be first big foot in door.some kind of a mail service for which you would receive a monthly fee - and would probably be hooked up to something government controlled. This is the beginning and it went by without much noticeit was not on E Mail, but something about hooking up with banks to pay bills, etc., and you paid so much a month for the service. No way they could charge for us sending E Mails; I already pay a monthly bill for Web TV service and the only thing I hate is this battery operated keyboard which drags along and will no exceed certain speeds.then is time to change the battery. I am concerned about these free E Mail Services, for if US Post Office starts such a thing, AOL and Yahoo and others will follow. More jobs would be lost presumably and pretty soon it would be just another racket - like Cable TV - we still have to watch advertising while paying for this service - more like double dipping? So now today our phone company is in the cable TV service and as ususal, talk about price fixing and violation of anti trust laws - prices go up, not down and yet cable and tv is nothing now but controlled propaganda through writers, etc. No Senate or House Bill has a letter P - they are HB-0 for SB- and maybe an R for a Resolution.But that item circulates and is a reminder that something is brewing. So maybe someone wants to check out this US Postal Service - for they are getting into the business as is on drawing board, providing their own mail servicethen someday maybe they buy out the others? Bigi mergers now - and when these people merge - stock goes up but from where do they make the big bucks with free service? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this?
Thank you... Robert, Tenorlove provided a good link for info on this... http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blemtax2.htm But one can't help but wonder what, indeed, will happen with the future of email and internet services when it comes down to anti-trust laws and all the internet providers, some of which are becoming very large conglomerates. Just keeping my eyes open to the possibilities! :-) eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Robert F. Tatman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? This is a hoax. - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: [CTRL] Has anyone heard about this? I'm really not surprised. Subject: VOTE NO ON Bill 602P I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P 5-cents per E-mail
[CTRL] bizarre illness computer viruses
is in Singapore. FREUDIAN VIRUS: Your computer becomes obsessed with marrying its own motherboard. PBS VIRUS: Your PC stops every few minutes to ask for money. ELVIS VIRUS: Your computer gets fat, slow, and lazy and then self destructs, only to resurface at shopping malls and service stations across rural America. SEARS VIRUS: Your data won't appear unless you buy new cables, power supply, and a set of shocks. CONGRESSIONAL VIRUS: Runs every program on the hard drive simultaneously, but doesn't allow the user to accomplish anything. KEVORKIAN VIRUS: Helps your computer shut down whenever it wants to. IMELDA MARCOS VIRUS: Sings you a song (slightly off key) on boot up then subtracts money from your Quicken account and spends it all on expensive shoes it purchases through Prodigy. STAR TREK VIRUS: Invades your system in places where no virus has gone before. HEALTH CARE VIRUS: Tests your system for a day, finds nothing wrong, and sends you a bill for $4,500. LAPD VIRUS: It claims it feels threatened by the other files on your PC and erases them in "self-defense." JOEY BUTTAFUOCO VIRUS: Only attacks minor files. RONALD REAGAN VIRUS: Saves your data, but forgets where it's stored O.J. VIRUS: It claims that it did not, could not and would not delete two of your files and vows to find the virus that did it. . Have you had enough?! Here's just a couple more I found on the net. This should do it,folks! So, lend me your attention for a couple more minutes, o'k? . Here'san activity you and yourfamily might enjoy together. It's called "The Family Stress Test". . Family Stress Test Score 0 if the statement is never true, 1 if it is rarely true, 2 if it is sometimes true, and 3 if it is always true. 1. Conversations often begin with "Put the gun down, and then we can talk". 2. The school principal has your number on speed-dial. 3. The cat is on Valium. 4. People have trouble understanding your kids, because they learned to speak through clenched teeth. 5. You are trying to get your four-year-old to switch to decaf. 6. The number of jobs held down by family members exceeds the number of people in the family. 7. No one has _time_ to wait for microwave TV dinners. 8. "Family meetings" are often mediated by law enforcement officials. 9. You have to check your kid's day-timer to see if he can take out the trash. 10. Maxwell House gives you industrial rates. Scoring: 30 - a perfect score. Welcome to the neighborhood! 20-29 - You are doing reasonably well, but still have too little going on in your life. Crank it up. 10-19 - You have mastered some of the aspects of the stress-filled life, but still have a long way t o go. Have you considered a parallel career path? 0-9 - Enjoying all that extra time? What do you _do_ anyway? . . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln . . .
[CTRL] Fw: Senator Lieberman's (lover-man) REAL Voting Record
Now, isn't this a kicker...???
We have a'lover man' and 'gore' on the
ticket...
Sounds like a a scary porn movie to me!!!
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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: Senator Lieberman's ("lover-man") REAL Voting
Record
- Original Message -
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:21
PM
Subject: Senator Lieberman's
("lover-man") REAL Voting Record
THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FOUND AT
http://www.vote-smart.org/
Current Office: United States SenateName: Senator Joseph I.
LiebermanFamily: Wife: Hadassah Freilich; 4 Children.Birth Date:
02/24/42Religion: JewishHow To Contact Senator LiebermanWashington
DC EMail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington
DC Web Address: http://www.senate.gov/~lieberman/Washington
DC Address706 Hart Senate Office BuildingWashington, DC
20510-0703Phone: 202-224-4041Abortion /
Family Planning
1999: On the votes that the National Right to Life Committee
considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman voted their
preferred position 0 percent of the time. 1999: On the votes that the
Planned Parenthood considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator
Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the
time.
1999: On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action
League considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman voted
their preferred position 100 percent of the time.
Animal Issues 1999:
On the votes that the The Humane Society of the United States
considered to be the most important in 1999 , Senator Lieberman voted
their preferred position 100 percent of the time.
1995-1996: On the votes that the Fund For Animals considered to be the
most important in 1995-1996, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position
75 percent of the time.
Business:
1999-2000: On the votes that the National Federation of Independent
Business considered to be the most important in 1999-2000,
SenatorLieberman voted their preferred position 22 percent of the
time.
1999: On the votes that the Business-Industry Political Action Committee
considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman voted their
preferred position 11 percent of the time.
1998: On the votes that the The Small Business Survival Committee
considered to be the most important in 1998, Senator Lieberman
votedtheir preferred position 30 percent of the time.
1997-1998: On the votes that the National Federation of Independent
Business considered to be the most important in 1997-1998,
SenatorLieberman voted their preferred position 43 percent of the
time.
Children:
1999: On the votes that the Children's Defense Fund considered to be he
most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100
percent of the time.
1998: On the votes that the Children's Defense Fund considered to be the
most important in 1998, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100
percent of the time.
Christian Family
Issues:
1997-1998: On the votes that the Christian Coalition considered to be the
most important in 1997-1998 , Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position
9 percent of the time.
Civil Rights / Liberty 1999:
On the votes that the American Civil Liberties Union considered to
be the most important in 1999 , Senator Lieberman voted their
preferred position 50 percent of the time.
1999: On the votes that the National Hispanic Leadership Agenda
considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman voted their
preferred position 100 percent of the time.
1999: On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of
Colored People considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman
voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.
1999: On the votes that the Human Rights Campaign considered to be the
most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100
percent of the time.
Conservative:
1999: On the votes that the Conservative Index-The John Birch Society
considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman voted their
preferred position 10 percent of the time.
Economic Policy:
1999: On the votes that the The Republican Liberty Caucus - Economic
Policy considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Lieberman voted
their preferred position 10 percent of the time.
1995: On the votes that the The Libertarian Party - Economic Freedom
considered to be the most important in 1995, Senator Lieberman voted their
preferred position 30 percent of the time.
1994: On the votes that the Competitive Enterprise Institute - Totals
considered to be the most important in 1994, Senator Lieberman votedtheir
preferred
[CTRL] Fw: Klinton: Well, gawwlee, I can't git Monica to come here anymore . . .
- Original Message - Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:43 PM Subject: Fw: Klinton: "Well, gawwlee, I can't git Monica to come here anymore . . . " - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Klinton: "Well, gawwlee, I can't git Monica to come here anymore . . . " Web-porn scandal rocks White HouseWest Wingers downloaded gay, bestial, teen sex videos, jamming firewall systemBy Paul Sperry© 2000 WorldNetDaily.comWASHINGTON -- A consultant hired last year to beef up security for the White House's computer network found massive pornographic video files passing through the system's Internet firewall, WorldNetDaily has learned.Some of the downloaded files were traced back to West Wing officials as recently as the beginning of last year, during the height of theimpeachment crisis, say sources who were involved in replacing the firewall system as part of Y2K security upgrades.The real-time video files -- which came from hard-core porn sites featuring homosexual, farm-animal and teen sex acts -- were so large in byte volume that they accounted for most of the traffic coming into the firewall, sources told WorldNetDaily.All Internet links and e-mail must first pass through the firewall before coming into the local area network for the Executive Office of thePresident and on to individual network users. The firewall system is designed to screen Internet traffic for messages containing network-crippling viruses.A Y2K computer consultant in early 1999 discovered the unusually large volume of porn-site traffic coming into the White House while reviewing the firewall logs.A White House computer specialist recalled the reaction of one of the contractors at the time."He started to laugh and said, 'It looks like the majority of traffic going through the firewall is pornography,'" said the White House employee,who spoke on the condition of anonymity.Both President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore have denounced cyber-porn and have pushed so-called "E-chips" to block the Internet's "purveyors of pornography," as Gore called them last year.White House cyber-security experts have asked WorldNetDaily to withhold the name of the Y2K contractor that upgraded the firewall system, arguing that disclosing the information would tip off hackers to the security software the White House is using and make it easier for them to breach the network. WorldNetDaily agreed to reveal only that the company is based in California.The firewall logs show the uniform resource locator, or URL (basically the Web zip code), of the porn sites from which the videos (MOVs) andstill-graphics (JPEGs and GIFs) were downloaded."There were things that said 'teen,'" the White House computer expert said. "There was gay and bestiality stuff too."Bestiality? "Donkeys, goats, dogs," explained the source, who later accessed some of the raunchier sites. "It's embarrassing."Upon the discovery of the heavy XXX-rated traffic, White House security specialists undertook a "forensics" effort to ID the White House network users who were downloading -- and watching -- the videos on government computers and time.Investigators, including White House Security Officer Charles Easley, looked at a number of variables to separate the habitual from the accidental Web-porn surfers. They scanned firewall logs over several weeks so they could see the repeat offenders. They also zeroed in on the large-byte files.What they found was shocking."There were some significant names. I can say, yes, West Wing," said one White House source familiar with the investigation. "There were women too."Many of the offenders also officed out of the Old Executive Office Building, including presidential personnel, sources say. One was in nationalsecurity.One of the worst offenders, however, was a senior White House computer-systems manager, who was reprimanded but allowed to stay in theWhite House after being treated for an "addiction" to porn. Sources say the porn abuser is so sensitive to the possibility of public exposure that he would likely take his own life if his name were disclosed here.Security experts weren't just worried about the bandwidth-eating Web videos slowing down the White House computer network for legitimate business, or bringing a "Trojan horse" virus into the system. They also feared they could open up White House officials to blackmail from outsiders looking to access the network."It's a potential security risk," said one White House insider. "A hacker could call up an official and say, 'I have evidence you've beendownloading kiddy porn. Give me your network passcode, or else.'"The Internet-linked network is unclassified (although another, classified network exists in the White House), but most everything on it is stillsensitive.At any given time it may contain secret agendas for high-level meetings over trade and other policies, for example, or advance data from
Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse
Why should I believe any of them? good question, nessie! eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The Master Plan IS the bible Jews say it is the Torah. Muslims say it is the Koran. Hindus say it is the Bahgavagita. Buddhists say it is the Pali Sutras. Biologists say it is Origin of Species. Communists say it is Das Kapital. They can't all be right. Why should I believe any of them? . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse
Mike, I happen to agree with you... THIS will be the first year in 30 years of voting eligibility that I won't even bother to go to the poll this year. Neither man running on the main tickets, or otherwise, are worthy of the office they seek... nor are they worthy of my vote. Election before last, I took the stand of ' the lesser of the three evils ' and the monkey wrench running, threw Clinton into office. (choke! gag!) Clinton's first bill signed as president was the long term partial abortion issue, on my birthday, no less... I was sickened by this, and this man and his wife, and his admin from the get-go. Many tears did not change the vote, nor did my vote in the next election matter, for the people are blinded to righteous government and choose rather to be ruled and represented to the world by a fool, fornicator, murderer and a liar... WYSIWYG. What you see is what you get. Therefore, WHY should I bother to go out to the polls this time... ??? This election has not grabbed much of my attention at all. I'm to the point, of "so what?" and "WHO?" Oh well As the subject matter says, it's only going to be from bad to worse, no matter who is elected this time. America is reaping what she's sown, and him/them who she's elected as king(s). Biblically speaking, we can see the end results of Ahab and Jezebel... History has a tendency to repeat itself. Ahab tried to change history. He put himself, as a hypocrit, and played the role of a priest, i.e. righteous man, in the midst of a battle, and was still recognized and assasinated with an arrow through his shoulder blades from the back, and was left to bleed all over his chariot. Jezebel, ahhh Jezebel, well, she earned the title of harlot, resurrected in Revelation chapter 2, but when she died, the people threw her body to the dogs of the streets, and her bones were scattered, never to be buried with honor. These people running for office, don't know when to quit, in honor. Righteousness and true justice in the presidency of this country, is a thing of the past for America. Sad to say. :-(( eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Mike Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse Pardon me for me inserting my two bits of opinion on an american election from a non-american stand point. I really don't think it matters who gets voted in. The end result will be the same although one president might make it more expedient than the other. The end result WILL BE the same. ...now to digress I realize that there are Christians, theists of various beliefs and atheists on this list. I mean to offend nobody. However, I simply cannot seem to escape the fact that so much of circumstance around us in the world today regarding a new world order (more aptly termed one world governance) seems to mirror biblical prophesy in the book of revelations. I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we still can". Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine. I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America no matter how many guns you have stashed. God's word will prevail. Mike Smith - Original Message - From: "Alamaine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse From http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Diane_Alden.shtml }}Begin CommentMax Republicans Are Bad, but Democrats Are Worse Diane Alden August 4, 2000 The reason I will vote for Republicans this fall is because the alternative is not only worse, it is dangerous. Perhaps that is not a principled Stand, but it is the best I can do. Since the country cannot survive four years of Al Gore and the consequences he would bring down on American heads with his statist- collectivist agenda, there is not much choice. You can vote for Ralph Nader or Pat Buchanan or Harry Browne, but realistically none of them has a chance. If Al Gore were elected because of a split vote, the divisiveness of extreme leftist-collectivist Big Brotherism would kill America. This country is so polarized now that it will take a gifted leader or leaders to put it back together again. There is no doubt in my mind that if Gore gets in and the Democrats take over one or both houses of Congress, the Republic, what is left of it, will be finished. We are not talking partisan, Democrat versus Republican, here; we are talking about the fate of the Republic. Unfortunately, the fascist left now controls the once great and good Democratic Party. Oh, life will go on in the United States, but there will come a day when we will wake up and we will not have the country
[CTRL] conpiracies of the illuminati
More on the conspiracies of the Illuminati http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/masons/illuminati.html Secret Societies http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/msocieties.html . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
[CTRL] cell phone rudeness
This story is of interest to those with "a thing " for their cell phone. Personally, I have one, but rarely use it, except for very important business and emergencies. Recently at my place of employment another manager was fired and among the reasonslisted for his demise was the excessiveuse of his cell phone ... i.e. going into the men's room and not emerging for literally hours while he was on the phone while occupying the stall. I don't know about you, but I've seen some crazy drivers out there trying to use a phone and drive at the same time, and as a personal commandment to myself, I observe the ... "Thou shalt not use the cell phone while driving" law and hope that others catch on before they kill someone or themselves. http://www.trib.com/HOMENEWS/GENERAL/AACellPhoneBacklash.html Americans' new hang-up: cell phone rudeness By DAVE CARPENTER AP Business Writer The atmosphere was cozy inside the elegant San Antonio club and the jazz singer was crooning love ballads. Then a cell phone rang. To the dismay of performer Ken Slavin, the patron not only answered the phone - but shushed the singer so he could take the call. On a San Francisco Bay ferry, where "Cell Phone Free Zone" signs are posted, a woman gossiped loudly on her phone. "Hey lady," a fellow rider piped up. "I think I speak for the rest of the passengers here when I say that we don't care to hear about the intrigues of your office, so please either finish your call or go outside." The woman stormed out - to applause. As cellular or mobile phones proliferate rapidly, with more than 100 million U.S. users and counting, so do complaints about cell phone rudeness. "No Cell Phones" signs are popping up all over. Restaurants, theaters, libraries, museums and doctors' offices have banned the devices. It's no wonder actor Laurence Fishburne became something of a hero for bellowing at a cell-toting spectator during a Broadway play last year: "Will you turn off that (expletive) phone, please?" "People on the street jabbering away, in restaurants, in public toilets for heaven's sake!" complained New Yorker Judy Walters. She's not joking. According to an industry-sponsored telephone survey conducted in March by Wirthlin Worldwide, 39 percent of those polled said they would answer a cell phone call in the bathroom. Manufacturers are so concerned that they have started campaigns to educate cell phone users about etiquette. Nokia Corp. took part in Cell Phone Courtesy Week in San Diego in July, handing out "Quiet Zone" stickers to businesses. Mayor Susan Golding started the campaign after 73 percent of nearly 5,300 people responding to a question on her Web site said they favored restricting cell phones in public places. You don't have to look long-distance to find evidence of the public's aggravation level: - Doctors at a Toronto hospital report treating both mobile phone talkers and irritated bystanders for black eyes and even a cracked rib after eruptions of "cell phone rage." - A New York restaurant fielded so many gripes it banished users to a cell phone lounge. - A Chicago train commuter publicly urged other passengers to do what he does when cell phone yakkers push his button: whip out a notebook, lean closer and exaggeratedly take notes of the conversation. Then there's the separate safety issue of people using hand-held phones in cars. Several communities have banned the use of cell phones while driving. National Public Radio's popular Car Talk program, whose hosts rail against cell-phoning drivers, has given away 60,000 "Drive Now, Talk Later" bumper stickers since last September. "The response has taken us by surprise," said staffer Doug Mayer. Sociologist Jill Stein said that while the novelty of cell phones is wearing off, people still feel important when they use them in public: "Now everybody gets to be a big shot." She believes high-tech innovations have helped hasten the deterioration of old-fashioned etiquette. "Manners between strangers have broken down," said Stein, a UCLA sociology professor and director of Cultural Research Assistants in Santa Monica, Calif. "We've become desensitized to each other." Cell phone devotees respond that way too much blame is being heaped on the devices and their users. "People should give cell phone users a break and quit slamming them," said Dina Medina of San Francisco. "Cell phones are a fact of life, are not going away and actually help improve people's lives." --- On the Net: Mobile etiquette tips: http://computersathome.com/gsm/etiquette.html Tips for courteous calling: http://www.10meters.com/manners-tips.html Car Talk's "Drive Now Talk Later": http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Drive-Now . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the Wo
Re: [CTRL] HAARP - Fabricating God
I happen to know how his name is pronounced, It's "zadok", but spelled the way he spells it. This story posted below has to be one of the biggest *confabulations* I've ever encountered... You must have the New World Order version... NWOV whew! eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] HAARP - Fabricating God Tsadowq: Hope I never have to pronouce your name here. Just kidding. So the line in your letter which equates to "Neither shall he return to his house any more" from Job, in the bibleis line which deciphered meant JFK and RFK would not being going to White Houseastrologers mark of doom, part of bible code. Willl not go into that one, but every high degree mason who does his homework knows there is a secret society using masonic ritutals, there is a group known as the Tarot Card Assassins tearing this country apart and believe me - THEY ARE BACKin for the kill and they want to return us to the 60 period and teachings of Madame Helene Blavatsky are deeply involved in this one. When we speak of freedom from and of religion I always took this to mean, you send people h elected offices who try to live up to high standards established by law and they carry their righteousness from their personal life to their political life - religion under our constitution is not a test or qualification for holding office - the word is integrity, or the word is ethics. Religion is simple matter of right and wrong, the Golden Rule and remembering "a gift doth blind the eyes of a Judge".the bible is a book of law and an expose of past deeds of our ancestors, be they good or be they evil. The bible is a psychological profile of man from the Garden of Eden (tainted fruit from tree of knowledge and they did steal them apples) but I think best reflected in Job - a righteous man virtually torn apartJob 19-21 i particular had to be favorite grounds for thoughts of Sigmund Freud as he attempted to replace the bible with psychiatry. Astrologers Mark of Doom in bible alsoin Job "neither shall he return to his house anymore"and JFK and RFK, did not - this house is the White House re bible code. So..teachings of Madame Helene Blavatsky - by systematic assassination of a country's leaders the people will be demoralized. This is how this sick, twisted perverted element got their hooks in, and control over the Democrat Party.Union Leaders sold out the workers, and Mafia moves in for the money and control.then destroy them all by inviting the leaders into CFR - Leonard Woodcock attended Walter Reuther's funeral as honorary pall bearer (have funeral programs) and this man sold old went into CFR with Wurf..tis how they play the game. Slowly Amerca awakens to fact something is terribly wrong; many in the past have gone out like John the Baptist and nearly met, and some did maybe, met with his fate for nobody listens and nobody cares, until they are personally hurt. You look at the life of the Amish - many would like to escape to this lifestye but take all the modern convenience with them. God threw Lucipher out of heaven, he was the Bright Son of the Morning, Luciper? Then Jesus in Revelations wars "I AM the Bright and Morning Star" the Alpha and the Omega - the beginning and end end and time is a circle with no endso we have Jesus Christ warning Lucipher that I AM the Bright and Morning Star, and that is a warning to all to straighten up and fly right, or they get the boot too.. Still do not know whether earth is heaven or hell, or is it what we make it? I do know this - in Ethiopia and Angola and South Africa, life is hellwho murders and steals from Africa? If people in Africa kept their own national resources - they would all be rich.? See murder in the Balkans? See genocides and exterminations of a people for no reason other than greed or jealousy yet who fnances and has the gold to so do these wars/ Christ fed the 5,000 did he not? So when I read the bible and your line reference returning home..I think of FDR, and how they played the NEW WORLD SYMPHONY, the beautiful but sald old song, Going Home.he went home to his father, as did JFK and RFK - timed to Master Plan for Murder keyed to Stars and Testaments When you see the Master Plan, so simple, right in the open but when you see the timetable and calendar/code you see the evil now in possession of the only book the Pilgrims had, when they set foot on the Rock upon which they buit their house. As was once said "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men"..look to Clinton, he symbolizes to me all that is evil, yet he appears to be the Angel of Light - perhaps the Illuminated one" For you see the Illuminati m
Re: [CTRL] HAARP - Fabricating God
Aleisha Saba said, Tsadowq: Hope I never have to pronouce your name here Just for a reference... (not saying I agree or disagree with the content of this site) Here's a link for your researching efforts ... http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/reflections/messiah/messiah.html eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] HAARP - Fabricating God Tsadowq: Hope I never have to pronouce your name here. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] HAARP - Fabricating God
Yes, aleisha saba, I know about all of it... which do you wish to discuss? Though I fail to see the relavency, since no matter what I say, or what anyone else says, you have been there and already done it all You are a one-sided conversation piece. Must be nice to have such a wealth of 'experience' under your belt. By the way, I'm no brother... eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] HAARP - Fabricating God Thank you Eagle I - have a feeing though you do not agree with me or rather the way in which I express myself, you do see, what I see. Refer to the Devils Dictionary, letter "M".for this Bierce was something else and he takes quite a few pokes at the masons. But Bierce was like the old King in I Kings, who said "did I not tell you he would prophecy no good to me - only evil".for propaganda equates to prophecy. Shades of Nostradamus and Jean Dixon and Tokyo Rose and Lord Haw Haw..but, he who laughs last, laughed best. So thank you Eagle I, or is it Brother HiRamGreat Eagle - Dougle Beak? Diamonds and the works? Know anything about the masonic Kiss of Death? Saba A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gulf Coast probable location for next West Nile outbreak
A prelude to plagues? This is spread by mosquitoes. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/603824 Gulf Coast probable location for next West Nile outbreak Scientists say birds have carried virus across U.S. By DEBORA MACKENZIE Copyright 2000 New Scientist The bird virus that killed seven New Yorkers last year has now spread all over the Americas, say U.S. researchers. They warn that the Gulf Coast of the United States will probably see the next outbreak of West Nile virus. Despite the threat, U.S. authorities have so far failed to provide the research funding to keep tabs on the virus in wild birds. The scientists say that scrupulous monitoring of bird populations is needed, otherwise it won't be possible to identify and spray high-risk areas with insecticide to kill the mosquitoes that transmit the virus to people. The infection is endemic to Africa, Asia and Europe, where it resides harmlessly in many bird species but kills others, according to Bob McLean, head of the National Wildlife Health Center in Madison, Wis. Humans usually get the disease from mosquito bites when the population of infected city birds is sufficiently large to infect enough mosquitoes. In 1997, 527 people in Bucharest, Romania, were ill with West Nile virus, and 50 died. There is no specific treatment for the infection. The virus may have reached New York last summer in a bird imported from Israel. However, West Nile expert Zdanek Hubalek of the Czech Academy of Sciences suggests it may have originally escaped from the Sloan-Kettering Institute in New York, where in the 1950s a strain of the virus was given to 95 terminal cancer patients as an experimental treatment. But there is evidence that the New York outbreak last summer, which killed thousands of crows and caused encephalitis in 61 New Yorkers, seven of whom died, resulted from a different strain. But what is certain, McLean says, is that as early as last summer the virus had already spread to an alarming extent in the New York area. "It had already infected more than half the local geese and sparrows. That's scary," McClean says. And the discovery of the virus in birds in New York, New Jersey and Delaware last month has dashed hopes that it would not survive the winter. John Rappole and his colleagues at the Smithsonian Institution Zoo in Front Royal, Va., have calculated that the virus would spread far and wide from New York if there were susceptible migratory birds congregating on mosquito-infested wetlands nearby. In this month's issue of Emerging Infectious Diseases, they and Hubalek report that there are 77 migratory species there, including ducks, starlings, terns and gulls, capable of carrying the virus. "The virus is probably in every corner of North America by now" as well as parts of South America, says Rappole. Another outbreak could occur anywhere there are enough infected birds, possibly this summer. "We think the next outbreak will be along the Gulf Coast, where northern migrants remain concentrated," Rappole says. "It is essential to capture and test healthy local birds to know where West Nile poses a threat," McLean says. "Then mosquito spraying can be targeted to protect people." McLean's proposals to screen birds in the coming months have not yet been funded. Eastern and Gulf states plan to test dead birds and "sentinel" chickens -- caged birds used as an early warning system. But this is much less sensitive, McLean warns. Caged chickens are less likely to encounter infected mosquitoes than free-range birds. But Stephen Ostroff of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta told New Scientist: "Extensive screening of wild birds in hopes of finding the virus would not be cost-effective." . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
[CTRL] researcher suggests elusive Bigfoot is an android
http://www.trib.com/HOMENEWS/GENERAL/SpacemanSasquatch.html Bigfoot researcher suggests elusive Bigfoot is an android YAKIMA, Wash. (AP) - Sasquatch might be from outer space. At least that's the theory being put forth by Erik Beckjord of the San Francisco-based Sasquatch Research Project. He contends the proof can be found in a metal cylinder, roughly the same size and shape as a 16-ounce can of beer, on Bigfoot's right arm in the famous Patterson film. "An ape doesn't have a cylinder on its arm, unless it's an experimental creature," Beckjord told the Yakima Herald-Republic in a story published Monday. But that's hardly enough evidence for people who believe Bigfoot is the Yakima Valley's biggest homegrown hoax. "That's a new one to me," said Zillah lawyer Barry Woodard, representing a man who last year claimed to have worn a monkey suit in the 1967 Patterson-Gimlin film. The grainy 16mm footage of what some believe is a female Sasquatch running out of a stream bed in the Six Rivers National Forest in northern California was taken by Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin during a horseback search for Bigfoot. Patterson died in 1972. Gimlin refuses to be interviewed. Last year, longtime Bigfoot tracker Cliff Crook of Bothell dismissed the film as a hoax, saying four computer-enhanced frames showed what appeared to be a bell-shaped fastener at the creature's waist. Several months later, a 58-year-old Yakima man, who has not been publicly identified, came forward through Woodard claiming to have been the hoaxer who wore the fur. The man still wants to sell his story, Woodard said. It's been a Sasquatch summer in the Northwest this year. Two researchers are looking into reports of the possible presence of Bigfoot on the Hoh Indian Reservation on the Olympic Peninsula along the Pacific Coast. A psychologist recently claimed to have seen and smelled Sasquatch while hiking at the Oregon Caves National Monument. Beckjord, who has a master's degree in business administration from the University of California at Berkeley, contends the recent Bigfoot reports only back up his contention that the creature is living among us and could be from outer space - possibly an experimental android. "It would be the perfect spy for wilderness warfare," Beckjord said. Or, "he could be cruising out there on behalf of the U.S. government." The cylinder can be seen in the 350th frame of the Patterson film, he said. He speculates it could be anything from radio equipment to medical gear. Bulges at either end of the cylinder likely serve as mounting hardware, he said. For Beckjord, the most persuasive indication that Bigfoot is from another world is the lack of an archaeological record. "There's no roadkill ever at any time," he said. "All of the existing animals you can find dead sometime." ---- On the Net: http://www.sasquatch.cc . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln . .
[CTRL] birds have carried virus across U.S.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/603824 Gulf Coast probable location for next West Nile outbreak Scientists say birds have carried virus across U.S. By DEBORA MACKENZIE Copyright 2000 New Scientist The bird virus that killed seven New Yorkers last year has now spread all over the Americas, say U.S. researchers. They warn that the Gulf Coast of the United States will probably see the next outbreak of West Nile virus. Despite the threat, U.S. authorities have so far failed to provide the research funding to keep tabs on the virus in wild birds. The scientists say that scrupulous monitoring of bird populations is needed, otherwise it won't be possible to identify and spray high-risk areas with insecticide to kill the mosquitoes that transmit the virus to people. The infection is endemic to Africa, Asia and Europe, where it resides harmlessly in many bird species but kills others, according to Bob McLean, head of the National Wildlife Health Center in Madison, Wis. Humans usually get the disease from mosquito bites when the population of infected city birds is sufficiently large to infect enough mosquitoes. In 1997, 527 people in Bucharest, Romania, were ill with West Nile virus, and 50 died. There is no specific treatment for the infection. The virus may have reached New York last summer in a bird imported from Israel. However, West Nile expert Zdanek Hubalek of the Czech Academy of Sciences suggests it may have originally escaped from the Sloan-Kettering Institute in New York, where in the 1950s a strain of the virus was given to 95 terminal cancer patients as an experimental treatment. But there is evidence that the New York outbreak last summer, which killed thousands of crows and caused encephalitis in 61 New Yorkers, seven of whom died, resulted from a different strain. But what is certain, McLean says, is that as early as last summer the virus had already spread to an alarming extent in the New York area. "It had already infected more than half the local geese and sparrows. That's scary," McClean says. And the discovery of the virus in birds in New York, New Jersey and Delaware last month has dashed hopes that it would not survive the winter. John Rappole and his colleagues at the Smithsonian Institution Zoo in Front Royal, Va., have calculated that the virus would spread far and wide from New York if there were susceptible migratory birds congregating on mosquito-infested wetlands nearby. In this month's issue of Emerging Infectious Diseases, they and Hubalek report that there are 77 migratory species there, including ducks, starlings, terns and gulls, capable of carrying the virus. "The virus is probably in every corner of North America by now" as well as parts of South America, says Rappole. Another outbreak could occur anywhere there are enough infected birds, possibly this summer. "We think the next outbreak will be along the Gulf Coast, where northern migrants remain concentrated," Rappole says. "It is essential to capture and test healthy local birds to know where West Nile poses a threat," McLean says. "Then mosquito spraying can be targeted to protect people." McLean's proposals to screen birds in the coming months have not yet been funded. Eastern and Gulf states plan to test dead birds and "sentinel" chickens -- caged birds used as an early warning system. But this is much less sensitive, McLean warns. Caged chickens are less likely to encounter infected mosquitoes than free-range birds. But Stephen Ostroff of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta told New Scientist: "Extensive screening of wild birds in hopes of finding the virus would not be cost-effective." . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
Re: [CTRL] Ben Creme and his Maitreya
Here's more for those who like to see what's being said out there... Signs and Miracles... http://www.shareintl.org/background/miracles/MI_main.htm Pass the salt... eagle 1 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ben Creme and his Maitreya In a message dated 07/11/2000 8:23:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Benjamin Creme, himself a fan of Bailey's work Creme is more than a fan of Bailey...Just as Blavatsky was touted as Bailey's predecessor, Share International boasts Bailey as Creme's. Considering the depth of Hurtak's "Keys," it is not suprising to find that Maitreya is mentioned by name in this book almost 25 years ago. Off of the subject but also intriguing is, that while most of the Egyptian history revisionists believe that West was responsible for making the connection between the Giza plateau and Orion, this information - as given to him by the "Lords of Light" - was actually published by Hurtak almost a quarter century ago. And the deception continues... Tsadowq . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ben Creme and his Maitreya
Hi Robin, Here's a reprint of the full page ad for Maitreya I saved ... Reprinted from the Los Angeles Times: April 25, 1982 THE WORLD HAS HAD ENOUGH . . . OF HUNGER, INJUSTICE, WAR. IN ANSWER TO YOUR CALL FOR HELP, AS WORLD TEACHER FOR ALL HUMANITY, THE CHRIST IS NOW HERE. HOW WILL WE RECOGNIZE HIM? Look for a modern man concerned with modern problems - political, economic, and social. Since July, 1977, the Christ has been emerging as a spokesman for a group or community in a well-known modern country. He is not a religious leader, but an educator in the broadest sense of the word - pointing the way out of our present crisis. We will recognize him by his extraordinary spiritual potency, the university of his viewpoint, and his love for all humanity. He comes not to judge, but to aid and to inspire. WHO IS THE CHRIST? Throughout history, humanity's evolution has been guided by a group of enlightened men, the masters of wisdom. They have remained largely in the remote desert and mountainous places of earth, working mainly through their disciples who live openly in the world. This message of the Christ's reappearance has been given primarily by such a disciple trained for his task for over 20 years. At the center of his "spiritual hierarchy" stands the World Teacher, Lord Maitreya and the Jews await the Messiah, the Buddhists the fifth Buddah, the Moslems the Imam Mahdi, and the Hindus await Krishna. These are the names for one individual. His presence in the world guarantees there will be no third world war. WHAT IS HE SAYING? "My task will be to show you how to live together peacefully as brothers. This is simpler than you imagine, My Friends, for it requires only the acceptance of sharing." "How can you be content with the modes within which you now live: when millions starve and die and squalor; when the rich parade their wealth before the poor; when each man is his neighbor's enemy; when no man trusts his brother?" "Allow me to show you the way forward into a simpler life where no man lacks; where no two days are alike: where the Job of Brotherhood manifests through all men." "Take your brother's need as the measure for your action and solve the problem of the world." WHEN WILL WE SEE HIM? "He has not as yet declared his true status, and his location is known only to a very few disciples. One of these has announced that soon the Christ will acknowledge his identity and within the next two months will speak to humanity through a worldwide television and radio broadcast. His message will be heard inwardly, telepathically, by all people in their own language. From that time, with his help, we will build a new world. WITHOUT SHARING THERE CAN BE NO JUSTICE; WITHOUT JUSTICE THERE CAN BE NO PEACE; WITHOUT PEACE THERE CAN BE NO FUTURE. This statement is appearing simultaneously in major cities of the world. Information center: Amsterdam PO BOX 41877 1009 DB AMSTERDAM, HOLLAND The TARA PRESS 59 Dartmouth Park Road LONDON, NW5 1SL, ENGLAND TARA CENTER 90 University Place NY, NY 10003 TARA CENTER PO BOX 6001 NORTH HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA 91603 USA by Benjamin Creme, spokes person for the Maitreya - Benjamin Creme, David Spangler, Alice Bailey, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, et al, have all said that "Initiation" will be the heart and core of the "New World Religion". David Spangler has defined that initiation as a Luciferic initiation and for those who cannot accept the " New Christ " - they will be sent to another dimension other than physical incarnation, according to Spangler. Creme says that cash will be abolished and the world will go to a more rational exchange, such as a computerized barter economy. Creme has said that the " initiations " will be given on a mass planetary basis in a "revitalized Christian church" and in the Masonic Lodges and other esoteric organizations. Creme said there would be the "sword of cleavage" for all who would not go willingly into the future with the so-called new "Christ". Question... why doesn't he just come out from the rock he's been hiding under? 18 years isn't long enough to hide? Maybe two more years will give him the guts to do what he has to do. Welcoming the NWO... let's get it over with. eagle 1 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread [food], nor a thirst for water, but [a famine] of hearing the words of the Lord." - Amos 8:11 - Original Message - From: "Robin Peters" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ben Creme and his Maitreya I remember at least two dates in the early to mid eighties that our "friend" (said with sarcasm fully intended) Be
Re: [CTRL] Leave our flag alone, ... . That's all we have left.
Bard, Personally, I do not understand how the confederate flag represents in itself, "slavery". It represents much more important issues of it's time. It wasa time when a confederated union of people desired tosecede from the established union as a seperate entity that had developed it's own flag, it's own constitution and basicallyit's own country. Though I am not a supporter or non-supporter of the Conferate Union, I simply seethe time period and the flag representativeas a phase in the historical development of this country's adolescent rebellion.This rebellionwas bound to happen, no matter which flag was flown or why. The confederate flag is monumental in the development of the southern states, Georgia, in particularly. *IF* this flag is forced to be recended by the court system... I suspect that many more state flags will eventually meet the same fate. Oklahoma, for example, represents the home [final resting place]of the Five Civilized Tribes. IF anyone knows anything about that historical trek of travesty, it was a time when certain Indians from southern Florida and Georgiawere forced to move to''Indian Territory'',and this was called the "Trail of Tears"which earned that name because of the umbrageous shame and indignant treatmentthat the Indians were put through to make that trek bybeinguprooted and replaced in a foreign area of the country at the time. Oklahoma today flies a flag with a 'Peace Pipe' and tribal drum.(Do you think that it was tobacco that was smoked in that pipe?) My main point in this is that it could be assumed by any certain faction who chooses to take issue with this type of cultural uprise isthat THISflag of Oklahomais symbolic not only of the heritage of the state, but alsoof shame and degradation to the American Indian, specifically the Five Civilized Tribes... and as soon as some faction takes issue (if they haven't already), you are going tosee the same song, secondverse as theConfederate Flag has seen. Other states will follow suit. Regarding this topic: Suggested Reading: Trail of Tears - North Georgia History http://www.ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html Trail of Tears - Choctaw of Oklahoma http://www.peaknet.net/~aardvark/ Retracing the Trail of Tears http://www.rosecity.net/tears/trail/retrace.html Book: Arrell M. Gibson. Oklahoma: A History of Five Centuries (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 1982). So what would be next on the 'offended's'agenda? Since we cannot have true historyrepresented, obviously, such as HISTORICAL LANDMARKS on flags, a new one must be developed that is non-offensive to any group... a grey area flag, generic of any tragedy or travesty that might reflect a less desirable point and time in history... so they just get rid of the reminder??? They just tread on the historical value??? This move to subjugatethe Confederate flag, is, in my opinion, an outrage and disgusting exhibition of a subculture that has gone awry and way beyond its boundaries. eagle 1 . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln . - Original Message - From: "Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: [CTRL] "Leave our flag alone," ... . "That's all we have left." Jul 9, 2000 - 05:18 PM Confederate Flag Supporters Rally Outside NAACP Convention By Seth Hettena Associated Press Writer BALTIMORE (AP) - About a dozen protesters waved the Confederate flag outside the NAACP's [ The National Association of Communist People ] national convention Sunday and defended the banner that the civil rights organization has deemed a symbol of slavery. The protesters, members of three conservative groups, feel the NAACP's 9-year-old campaign to have the banner removed from all public properties is an attack on Southern heritage and culture. "Leave our flag alone," said Richard Gebo, a Virginian now living in Pennsylvania. "That's all we have left." "I'm sorry we had these people as slaves," said protester Michael Chandler of Blue Ridge, Ga. "But there's no reason for them to try to tear down our culture." The Confederate flag was recently removed from atop the South Carolina statehouse dome after the NAACP called for a tourism boycott of the state. Kweisi Mfume, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said the protesters, who were "to some extent racist," were only hurting themselves and anyone who examined them closely would find them "repugnant." The rally was sponsored by the Southern Party of Georgia, a
Re: [CTRL] AP: David Hale Couldn't Be Found; Lawsuit Dropped
Do you suppose he will be found as another victim of the scandalous deaths and disappearances of others who have met a similar fate? OR do we have another Jimmy Hoffa story in the making? eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:13 PM Subject: [CTRL] AP: David Hale Couldn't Be Found; Lawsuit Dropped From: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGIX7WCXFAC.html Jul 8, 2000 - 08:00 PM David Hale Couldn't Be Found; Lawsuit Dropped The Associated Press LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - David Hale, the prosecution's key witness in the Whitewater investigation of President Clinton's business dealings, won't have to answer to an unrelated lawsuit because the plaintiff couldn't find Hale to serve him with the lawsuit by a mandated deadline. Pulaski County Circuit Judge Chris Piazza dismissed the 1999 lawsuit against Hale because Marilyn Wallace, executor for the estate of Carrie Floy Rickett of Little Rock, did not serve Hale with the necessary legal papers within four months after the lawsuit was filed. On Friday, the Arkansas Supreme Court upheld Piazza's decision, ruling that "service of process was admittedly never made upon appellee" and that Hale's motion of May 26, 1999, to dismiss for lack of service was proper. The lawsuit accused Hale of reneging on a 1990 loan from Rickett for $94,834. Hale, a former judge and small-business lender, has a home address in Shreveport, La., according to federal court documents. But Friday, Dean Wallace, husband of Marilyn Wallace, said, "We looked for him everywhere." In the Whitewater investigation, Hale claimed that Clinton pressured him to make a fraudulent $300,000 loan from Hale's federally backed lending institution, Capital Management Services Inc. Clinton was then governor of Arkansas. Two years later, he testified for federal prosecutors in a trial that resulted in convictions against then-Gov. Jim Guy Tucker and former Clinton associates Susan McDougal and James McDougal. He didn't repeat his claim that Clinton pressured him to make the loan to Susan McDougal. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ben Creme and his Maitreya
What a repugnant joke this guy is... Ben Creme and his Maitreya... False prophets and false messiah [teacher] on the scene again. Joining with and agreeing withthe UN and other NWO factions... Interview and news listings: Interview with Benjamin Creme http://www.soundwaves2000.com/endtime/ Download the real audio direct: http://www.soundwaves2000.com/endtime/media/et7-07-00.ram Listen to this Benjamin Creme cr*p with a grain of salt... (It's going to need some flavoring) "... And I saw three unclean spirits like FROGS come out of the MOUTH of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty..." Revelation 16:13-14 FROGS are of the reptilian family... serpents and other such beasts of the field... (tricky, sneaky, hidden, camoflaged, esoteric... etc., etc., etc.) They come out of the MOUTH, which means they SPEAK (and speak a lot... ribet ribet ribet); (Benjamin Creme, for example, has been popping in and out of the closet for over 20 years about this Maitreya guy with NO production of the goods)... A lot of talk and no action. If this Maitreya is so great and wonderful... doesn't he have a mouth and why can't he speak for himself. I reiterate, this is a repugnant joke of this generation. eagle 1 OASIS http://www.lambsheart.com/zine/Oasis/July_2k.html . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
Re: [CTRL] 'We Must Take America Back...' [Steve Vaus]
Thank you for your honesty, Tenorlove... THIS, as written by [EMAIL PROTECTED], is exactly many of the reasons why I withdrew my teaching credentials going out of college in 1994, and then decided to go into an "organized" profession rather than filling children's minds with (preordained by the NEA) garbage... And I, as well as you, have made many sacrifices to home school. My children have turned out quite well, thank you, without the formality of what America wants to call "a rounded education" from the perverbial public educational system, by the end of 12th grade... And yes, I am one of the critics of the educators whose end product is the education and ignorance coming out of the schools today. Occasionally, I think of all the money I saved NOT ever putting my children in day care... and I often reflect on how our personal relationships have turned out... through the home schooling situation. It is much closer than if we all had to juggle sports, education and professional schedules as I see people do day in day out. Fortunately, I've had no problems with my children either in educational needs, rebellion, drugs or weird diseases... The lessons they learned at the knee seemed to have profited them more than those they were learning at the school!!! They both have well paying jobs and are quite proficient and stable. It's a very sad generation for most Americans... in my opinion. As my dad always said, "Teachers don't deserve more money to teach... it doesn't make them teach any better than they are capable of teaching." He always voted "No" for raises for teachers. And true, money does not help a teacher teach better. However, it does make them follow the protocol of the NEA and local boards who follow the outlines of the NEA a lot closer... and consequently, follow the NWO. But, some of us are the fortunate ones. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] 'We Must Take America Back...' [Steve Vaus] --- "(Conspiracy Theory Research List)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have taught in elementary school for 23 years, and I want to reassure you that students most certainly are taught about America and history in school. I didn't see the CNN story, but please remember that it's the "in" thing right now to criticize education. I notice that the people who are the most vocal critics are not sacrificing their financial security to dedicate their life to helping children. I didn't see the CNN story either, key word being "story" and very little time for TV anyway, except for a couple of shows on the Home Garden Network. I'm one of those critics of of education. However, my husband and I have made MAJOR financial sacrifices so that we can educate our sons at home. My husband could be making twice as much as he does; he's a CPA working in government (sales tax audits of large corporations), and if he were to take a private sector job, he'd be gone from 6 am to 10 pm and never see the boys. I've turned down 2 promotions (I work weekends in a supermarket) because I cannot work full-time and be the mother that my children need. My house is the neighborhood hangout for the little kids. No, I don't do milk cookies, usually it's orange juice and quesadillas (grilled cheese sandwich on a tortilla, really). :-D I don't know where you teach, SMann, but here in NJ, the emphasis is on passing the state "assessment." The principal at one of the local elementary schools told us at one of the hearings, regarding the state tests: "The fact that 1 + 1 = 2 is irrelevant; it's the pupil's REASONING that is important, not the answer. There are no right or wrong answers." EXCUSE ME??? These tests, he further described as subjective. When I asked what happened if the student and the tester had different philosophies, he wanted to know if I was qualified to speak about tests, i.e., where did I get my Ph.D. in education? The whole hearing only served to prove to me that Ph.D. stands for "Piled Higher and Deeper." If students don't remember what they've been taught about American history, it's because there are so many things that take their attention away from learning nowadays. When I was a child we never went anywhere during the week except to church on Wednesday nights. Elementary children are often out every evening nowadays participating in sports and other activities. Guilty as charged, everything BUT organized sports, and not EVERY evening. But being home schoolers, we aren't slaves to a time clock. If we had to get up at 6 am for school, my 5 year old I couldn't have stayed out on our porch until 11 pm watching fireflies, like we did tonight. Took my 7 year old to see "Rigoletto"
Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags
Is this pornographic and overtly descriptive diatribe really necessary to get your point across Mr. Sutherland...? Or is it that your greatest intellectual abilities are directed from below the belt, as opposed to above the belt? You've dealt some low blows, and it's getting monotonous. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "David Sutherland" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags LOAM!!! Say, forumites! What's the difference between a "JUNE" come "NESSIE" Troll, and a washing machine? Well ... If you throw a LOAD in a washing machine, it doesn't follow you around for 3 days! Hmmm ... so we now have the "June" and "nessie" dynamic duds TROLLING sideshow again! Shesh! What a pair of pious kooks! One wants to suck my dick, and apparently wouldn't mind me examining her sewerage pipes!!! Whilst the "nessie"sadomasochist trollop is making violent physical threats and wants to hurt me with her scrawling post knickers!!! poor old on-heat hallucinating and PARANOID "June" says she is apparently now seeing other Pffft! "ENTITIES" in my posts as well ... LOAM!!! I think the poor old desperate tart has completely FLIPPED-OUT ... must be the YANK heat frying her brain? Hmmm ... wonder how these two peas occupy the same sounding brain pod. ROTLMAO! ... precious 'nessie' now claims she's . a HE !!! wants to scwatch my bwlue Aussie weyes out with her dyke mitts!!! Got her knickers in a troll-knot again, just cause I post some dirt on her FAG mates filthy habits! Hmmm ... wonder if nessie "SWALLOWS" as good as her "JUNE" persona boasted yesterday here on this forum!!! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yep!!! She can't resist trolling! So take it all nessie, oh! uuh! ooh! take it nessie girl!! But me grab the crow bar, we'll need that for your stupid small mouth trying to sound big, to work for Aussie STALLION! BUT Hang on! "Nessie" SAID she only gets her jerks-off whilst IMAGINING me having a wank ... so you'd best let your 'JUNE' persona handle the above, just take the granny choppers our FIRST Shesh! What a pair of amoral and sanctimonious twerps these two TROLLS are!!! . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics ...
you have experiences with so called Christians that thump on people for homosexual reasons... they simply do not understand that it is a carnal sin, not a spiritual sin. But because as long as we are alive in the flesh body, we must deal with the carnal... it's simply my opinion and belief that I choose not to agree with homosexuality, but I do not wear it on my sleeve, nor will I condemn anyone for their actions, because it's ultimately between them and God in the final analysis. Forcing someone to change because "God says so..." only causes further animosity than is probably already there. Most homosexuals know the taboo that the Bible puts on that aspect of the carnal. It's none of my business to try to convert them. However, it does not mean I have to agree with homosexual tenents or the lifestyle. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags eagle@OK PLUS.COM,Internet writes: No wonder so many people feel that the Bible is full of " it " I'm not a believer, and I have a lot of problems with a lot of what is in the Bible. But in all fairness, I must say that the Bible also contains some truly great literature and more valid philosophy and morals than anyone really needs. I read mine. It also contains a lot of crap. The problem is that it was written over a long period by a variety of men. Each and every one of them had his own personal axe to grind. Then there were the editors. This thing as been censored and amended repeatedly. Let's look at one example. Reincarnation was once part of early Christian dogma. It was voted out at (I think it was) the Council of Nicea. All references to reincarnation in scripture were stricken. But the censors missed one. At one point Jesus asks his disciples who the people think he is. Peter answers "Elija." There are many, many such inconsistencies in scripture which can be directly related to the enormous changes it went through when Christianity was adopted by the Roman empire as a tool of state social control, and the state censors got ahold of it. The other problem with the Bible, and also with the Koran, and the Bhagavid Gita, and to a lesser extent the Pali Sutras, is that they all contain enough vagaries and contradictions that ambitious and amoral people can manipulate them to their own political ends by selectively choosing those passages which reinforce their own opinions and prejudices which they wish us to adopt. How many, I wonder, of these people who are so worked up about Leviticus keep kosher? How many religiously avoid wearing garments made from more than one kind of thread? How many grow beards with unrounded corners? Those that don't, and yet denounce homosexuality, are hypocrites. The very essence of Christianity is supposed to be love. Where is the homophobes' basic Christian love? If in fact sin is a valid concept at all, does not their own Bible admonish them to "love the sinner and hate the sin"? If in fact Christians, Jews and Muslims are right and the Creator and Creation are separate, then the only reason imaginable for Creation to exist is the Creator's love. The god of Christians, Jews and Muslims is, by their own account a loving and merciful god. So emulate him, already. And if he is also a just and vengeful god, does it not make sense to avoid ticking him off by disrespecting some of his creations? And where's the conspiracy angle in all this? Simple. The tiny handful of men who rule this planet don't want us talking about what they're up to. The want us to talk about something else. Sex is an easy distraction. Everybody like to talk about sex. So we did, as soon as it was brought up. And if we want to talk about it some more, the Net is full of places to do it. But this list isn't one of them. So let's get back to the topic of this list and talk about that here and talk about sex somewhere else. . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [ChristianPatriot] Fwd: The Eagle is Fallen...
Bard, That prophecy sounds down right evil, the way it's all strung together like that. I totally disagree with anything to do with a coming nuclear holocaust... Documentation? Psalm 104 "... Who laid the foundations of the earth that it should not be moved for ever..." The earth is not going to be destroyed or otherwise tampered with in such a manner.and ... if by some wild stretch of the imagination everyone was killed (which won't happen, but just for the scenario ... IF it did...) "absent from the body, [is to be ] present with the Lord..." ~2-Cor.5:8 The entity of the antichrist comes in PEACE and FLATTERIES... according to Daniel 11:21. How can there be a war or holocaust? Not quite, and not likely. Besides... "... Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country... And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be called My People, and I will be their God in truth and in righteousness." ~Zechariah 8:8 Doesn't sound much like war and holocaust to me! And it would be wise to heed... "These are things that ye shall do: 'Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates; ... Let none of your imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour: and [desire] no false oath: for all these things are things that I hate', saith the Lord." ~Zechariah 8:17 And you said, 1TH 4:16 "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 1TH 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1TH 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words." But you totally forgot the pre-requisite to this prophecy... "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concering them which are [dead], that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them which [have died] in Jesus [so] will God BRING WITH HIM. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain [working in the field] unto the coming of the Lord SHALL NOT PREVENT them which are [already] dead..." 1-Thess. 4:13-15 Weak stomach... ? Not until I read your post... It upsets my stomach to see what webs people are weaving and publishing as truth, when it couldn't be farther from it. Doom and gloomers? I have no use nor time for. No eagle has fallen. As a matter of fact, they circle with the vultures... "For wheresover the carcase is, THERE will the eagles be gathered together..." ~Matthew 24:28 They are the last ones to fly before feasting on those who have fallen by the wayside... "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice... saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, 'Come gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. ... And the beast was taken, and with him the FALSE PROPHET(S) that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These [beast false prophet] were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant [of evil ones] were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the [white] horse, which sword proceeded out of His mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh." ~Revelation 19:17-21 THIS is what happens at the end of this earth age... no nuclear holocaust. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: Bard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [ChristianPatriot] Fwd: The Eagle is Fallen... Bard - Original Message - From: Steven Wallace To: Stephen Wilson Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:18 PM Subject: [ChristianPatriot] Fwd: The Eagle is Fallen... Hmmm . this one will make you think .. and also, I hope, pray for wise discernment! Steve From: "DR. BYRON WEEKS" Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:11 PM Subj: The Eagle is Fallen... Don't read this if you have a weak stomach or a bad heart... Byron Weeks, MD, Col. AFUS, MC, Ret. Res. Re: Followup, The Coming Holocaust Posted by rh at June 28, 2000 at 08:05:21 AM CDT In Reply to: Re: The Eagle Has Fallen Jeremiah Chapters 50 ;; 51 Posted by on June 27, 2000 at 11:19:37 PM CDT Posting: The Coming Holocaust By Rance Taylor You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind or living in a cave not to be aware of the overhanging threat of nuclear war that has been present li
Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags
Facts and Statistics About FagsI agree with Nessie ... who said... (1.) Those stats are bogus. (2.) It's none of your business what other people do in bed. Interesting posts lately... We take the focus off the 'JEWS'... and take a Jewish [Hebrew] set of standards and manipulate the Word of God to fit the agenda at hand. How convenient. No wonder so many people feel that the Bible is full of " it ".... eagle 1 - Original Message - From: David Sutherland To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 1:30 AM Subject: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags Facts and Statistics About Fags "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." -- Leviticus 18:22 "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." Psalm 5:5 Note: The facts and statistics contained below are nothing more than a summary of various sources (which are listed at the bottom of this page). You may or may not agree with them. You may have seen different numbers in different sources. Everything provided below is information that most homosexuals don't want you to know about, but it needs to be known. Fags live filthy, unhealty, dangerous, unhappy, and in many cases, violent lives. Fags prey on children. The fag agenda. The true number of fags. Fags aren't discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a protected class? Sexual Orientation ETC . zz A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PAGAN SEXUALITY AT THE CENTER OF THE CONTEMPORARY MORAL CRISIS
OK... !!! Do we see a pattern developing here? Homosexuals, Jews, Christians and Pagans... Who's next on your hit list, DS? Who's left that can possibly escape the wrath? Interesting. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: David Sutherland To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 1:27 AM Subject: [CTRL] PAGAN SEXUALITY AT THE CENTER OF THE CONTEMPORARY MORAL CRISIS PAGAN SEXUALITY AT THE CENTER OF THE CONTEMPORARY MORAL CRISIS Faculty Lecture Fall 1999 Daniel R. Heimbach Professor of Christian Ethics Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary Wake Forest, North Carolina . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] John Lee's List
Whoa! Still rude and crude. Isn't [EMAIL PROTECTED] JAH'S group? I thought Mr. Lee had been evicted from this group? There is always an audience for mindless diatribe. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: [CTRL] John Lee's "List" -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [Religionornotnow] Two Witnesses Listen asswipe. If any shit head "preacher" is going to tell me that a stinking nation with a PROVEN track record worse than Sodom and Gomorrhah is "New Jerusalem" I don't need any other "facts". FWP On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, John Lee wrote: Rabbi, Why in the fuck don't you prove Willie wrong? Can you? Hell no, you rant and rave like the idiot you are but never offer substantial facts for you assumptions. John Lee - Original Message - From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Religionornotnow] Two Witnesses On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Willie Martin wrote: "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." (Revelation 11:3-4) Due to the fact that I sincerely believe that the United States of America is New Jerusalem and New Zion that was spoken of in the Scriptures, ha, ha ha, haa filthy anti-christ nation. Sodom South, which murders its unborn children by the millions. Sodom and Gomorrhah at least had excuses. You have revealed yourself for who you are, Anti-Christ "Pope Willie", Quintessential Whore of Babylon the Whore...America. FWP I believe that the attempt by our government to destroy Christianity in America appears to prove out the thought that these two witness in Revelation 11 is the Old Testament and the New Testament. That the Jews were able to put on that anti-Christ show on ABC last night June 25, 2000 at 8:00 p.m. is the sign that the Word of God, the Old and the New Testament are being destroyed in Jerusalem (New Jerusalem) as the Scriptures foretold. -- - Machine Psychology: http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html (file #10) -- - A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] John Lee's List
Bill said, it's plain enough if you care to check the archives...just remember which "you" you are! ah! Thanks Bill... I'm beginning to see the whole picture plain and clear. People aren't as short memoried as some would have us believe. :-) eagle 1 now... rotfl 2! - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] John Lee's "List" In a message dated 6/28/00 11:57:46 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Incriminated" ? What crime do you imagine she has commited? I LOVE IT!!! Colleen get's to ask a question about HERSELF! OK Colleen, you pretty much gave away the ghost, and it's plain enough if you care to check the archives...just remember which "you" you are! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
True, June, It was God's plan to begin with... I merely added that the APOSTLES never blamed Rome for the incident, but always looked to the Pharisees as the culprits, as so do I agree. I said nothing more and meant nothing less. Some people always choose to make a mountain out of a molehill... rather than looking into the simplicity of an event or situation. So is the case here. The focus here on this list, was taken off the subject and placed where people wanted it to be placed, on the Romans... it is SIMPLY not the way I see it. TRUTH: The Pharisees wanted absolutely NO connection to the death of Jesus, looking much farther down the line of history than most give them credit. They were concerned with their ''image'' to the people. Stoning Jesus, which as you sited, could have been done and Rome would have done nothing... however, the people would have ended up stoning them. The fact of the matter is had the Pharisees stoned Jesus, this eventually this would have drug them into the fate of Jesus at one time or another historically. The ROMANS had to be their ALIBI, and so it is. The Talmudic Jews ALWAYS have an alibi for everything they do... even to this day, because of WHO they are... Jesus pointed this out many, many times, and is why he called them liars, vipers, and hypocrits to name a few choice descriptions. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed From: "Eagle 1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] May I add... Jesus was rejected by the Pharisees' temple cult of darkness. True. But that then does not translate into: Regardless of how many may try, no one will ever be able to apply this identification of the overspreading of the abomination desolation over the Temple and Jerusalem to anyone else. Jesus was crucified by these same ones who took Him. (Luke 22:52-54) Regardless of how you try to put the sole blame for Jesus' crucifixion on the Pharisees, it doesn't change the FACT that crucifixion could only be done by the Roman state. The Pharisees themselves would have been crucified for trying to crucify someone, because that would have been seen as a treasonable usurption of Rome's authority. If it was just a matter of wishing to be rid of Jesus, the Pharisees could have easily had Him stoned to death. Rome would have not interfered. The Romans were trapped into this murder by the Sanhedrin and coercing Pilate with threats of reporting him to Rome for allowing another man in the Roman Empire to be called a King. It would have taken more than that. There had previously been dozens of Jewish prophets who claimed to be 'The Messiah' (and had hundreds of followers who believed them), and had never caused Rome any worry. You have to ask yourself WHY, if the Pharisees could have easily had Jesus stoned to death without Rome ever blinking an eye, they needed to 'coerce' (to use your own terminology) Rome into condemning Jesus to a manner of death solely reserved for those found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors against ROME. You have to ask yourself WHY the Pharisees were suddenly able to 'coerce' Rome in this matter, when normally they had little say or sway with or over Rome... The Romans were never blamed by the Apostles for the death of Jesus. We have no idea what the apostles actually said in this matter, since we have no direct writings from any of them, only what was written decades later, after most of them were dead. Add to that the FACT that the western Christian church later became entrenched in Rome, and styled itself on the old pagan Roman empire, complete with a 'senate' (council of bishops) and a 'caesar' (the pope), and it isn't surprising that its cronies who later sat and decided what should and shouldn't be included in the Bible had a vested interest in removing as many negative references to Rome as possible...and had a vested interest to assign 'blame' solely to the Jews, and remove all blame from Rome... But no one's yet answered my question: what does it matter WHO is responsible? The whole reason for Jesus' existence was to be betrayed and to die a horrible death as a sacrifice to atone for our collective sins; in other words, He wasn't destined to live to a ripe old age and die of natural causes, because such a life and death would have rendered His existence meaningless. Whomever is to be 'blamed' for condemning Jesus, they were just enacting the plan already laid out by God. So Judas, the Pharisees, and Rome itself were all integral actors in God's grand theatrical event. If you seek to assign 'blame' for Jesus' death, look to God Himself, since it was His plan to begin with. June . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informationa
[CTRL] giants
Passing this info on... From: "Barry Chamish" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: giants Are the Nefilim, the giants who descended to earth, returning to Israel after 3200 years? A new book Published by Book World of Sun Lakes AZ, claims just that. The book, Return Of The Giants by Israeli author Barry Chamish documents a huge wave of UFO incidents in Israel since 1987, which include numerous encounters with giant beings. He backs his reporting with an abundance of photographic evidence, laboratory tests and highly corroborated first-hand testimonies. Major television programs have examined Chamish's evidence and become his advocates. The Science Channel show, Sightings, devoted four segments to Israel's giants. Last April 27, the Fox Network devoted much of its two hour prime-time broadcast of the world UFO phenomenon to Chamish's Israeli discoveries and on July 28, the Discovery Channel will air a program called Giants, much of which will focus on the author's work. Return Of The Giants proves beyond dispute that the Giants have returned to Israel and Barry Chamish is not happy about the fact. He reminds us that the Giants were God's greatest enemies in biblical times and He sent his generals from Joshua to David to destroy them. The history of the ancient Hebrews teaches us that the Giants were to be feared for they bring corruption and war. And now they are back Return Of The Giants will be released to the stores in June and orders are being accepted now. For those who want to phone in an order and use a credit card: 1-888-262-7090. Inquiries are welcome at 480-895-7995 or by writing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Barry Chamish will be lecturing in Southern California in July. Here is his schedule: July 19, 7:30 pm, Wednesday - MUFON Los Angeles, at the Beverly Garland Hotel, 4222 Vineland Avenue, North Hollywood, CA (for info: 1-877-MUFONLA) July 20, 11:30 am, Thursday - tape MUFON LA's Cable TV show, "In Contact: UFOs" July 21, Friday - day off July 22, Saturday - (afternoon) MUFON San Bernardino, Director: Cinde Costello (then probably take AMTRAK to San Diego) July 23, Sunday - (afternoon) San Diego UFO Society, directors: Shawn Atlanti, Rob Baldwin July 24, Monday, day off in San Diego or Costa Mesa (in OC) July 25, Tuesday, day off in Costa Mesa July 26, 7:30 pm. - MUFON Orange County (Steve Gill, speaker coordinator, Jan Harzan, director) Costa Mesa, CA For more information please contact him directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or via MUFON California at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer "Observing the World Around You" http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do as he pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far as it in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Jew (fwd)
Since everyone wants to argue about the use of y's and j's... Research proves: Nearly every event of the word useage "Jew" or "Jews" according to the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance is as follows: (of which I might add, I find the Hebrew #3034 most descriptive). Strong's Hebrew: #3062 Y'huwda'iy (chaldean) : pronounced: yeh-hoo-daw-ee patrial from #3061; a Jehudaite (or Judaite), i.e. Jew:-Jew Hebrew #3061 Y'huwd (chaldean) : pronounced: yeh-hood contr. from a form corresp. to #3063; prop. Judah, hence Judaea;-Jewry, Judah, Judaea. Hebrew #3063 Y'huwdah: pronounced: yeh-hoo-daw; from #3064; celebrated; Jehudah (or Judah), the name of five Isr.; also of the tribe descended from the first, and of its territory:-Judah. Hebrew #3034 yadah: pronounced: yaw-daw; a prime root; used only as denom. from #3027; lit. to use (i.e. hold out) the hand; phys. to throw (a stone, an arrow) at or away; espec. to revere or worship (with extended hands); intens. to bemoan (by wringing the hands): - cast (out), (make) confess (ion), praise, about, (give) thank (-ful, -s, sgiving). Use as in the passage: "... and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are JEWS and are not, but are of the synogogue of satan..." ~Revelation 2:9 the word is the same word in every useage in the NT. From the Strong's - Greek #2453 Ioudaios - pronounced: ee-oo-dah'-yos from #2448 (in the sense of #2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:-Jew (-ess) of Judaea. #2448 Iouda - pronounced: ee-oo-dah' Judah (i.e. Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine: - Judah. #2455 Ioudas - pronounced: ee-oo-das' Judas (i.e. Jehudah), one name of ten Israel tribes; also of the posterity of one of them and its religion; Juda (-h, -s); Jude. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Saarinen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] [LIFE-GAZETTE] Jesus Christ: Quintessential Jew (fwd) Information - regarding occurrence of th word Jew (and Jews) in the Old Testament King James Version - From post it was stated - "Not once is the word Jew mentioned in old Testament. Only word that comes close is "Ewe" and sometimes he letter J was omitted in some alphabet soups ike the K once did not exist." The word "Jew" occurs 10 times in the KJV OT. The word "Jews" occurs 82 times in the KJV OT. Est 2:5 (KJV) Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite; Est 3:4 (KJV) Now it came to pass, when they spake daily unto him, and he hearkened not unto them, that they told Haman, to see whether Mordecai's matters would stand: for he had told them that he was a Jew. Est 5:13 (KJV) Yet all this availeth me nothing, so long as I see Mordecai the Jew sitting at the king's gate. Est 6:10 (KJV) Then the king said to Haman, Make haste, and take the apparel and the horse, as thou hast said, and do even so to Mordecai the Jew, that sitteth at the king's gate: let nothing fail of all that thou hast spoken. Est 8:7 (KJV) Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jew, Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews. Est 9:29 (KJV) Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim. Est 9:31 (KJV) To confirm these days of Purim in their times appointed, according as Mordecai the Jew and Esther the queen had enjoined them, and as they had decreed for themselves and for their seed, the matters of the fastings and their cry. Est 10:3 (KJV) For Mordecai the Jew was next unto king Ahasuerus, and great among the Jews, and accepted of the multitude of his brethren, seeking the wealth of his people, and speaking peace to all his seed. Jer 34:9 (KJV) That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother. Zec 8:23 (KJV) Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. 2 Ki 16:6 (KJV) At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day. 2 Ki 18:26 (KJV) Then said Eliakim the son of Hilkiah, and Shebna, and Joah, unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I pray thee, to thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand it: and talk not with us in the Jews' language in the ears of the people that are on the wall.
[CTRL] warning: for pet owners
se in dogs. This medication competes for the liver enzymes that break down ethylene glycol and slow its metabolism down, keeping the serum levels of the toxic metabolites down and allowing them to be excreted safely when used early enough. If 4-MP is not available treatment consists of using ethanol, usually intravenously. Ethanol also competes for the same enzymes and inhibits breakdown of the ethylene glycol. The problem is that ethanol itself causes severe central nervous system depression at the dosages necessary and this can have an additive effect with the ethylene glycol. It is still much better to treat when exposure is know to have occurred or is documented by lab work, though. Antifreeze poisoning causes a terrible death and it is inexcusable for a human being to inflict that kind of suffering on a pet intentionally. I can not begin to understand why people would do such a thing but have personally dealt with at least one case of antifreeze toxicity in which a dog was intentionally poisoned. Mike Richards, DVM --- and for the record Fabreze rumor "There have been multiple instances of dogs and birds who have died or became very ill after being exposed to Febreze, a deodorizer/air freshener. Febreze contains zinc chloride, which is very dangerous for animals. " This is from a friend of mine at UVA - her dog died and this is what the vet had to say. If you have a cat or bird, FEBREZE (odor spray) is TOXIC This has been confirmed by a vet. It will kill your animal. A friend's dog died unexpectedly and the vet strongly suspects this product as well. '' A-The National Animal Poison Control Center has a note on their website which says that they have not been able to find any evidence to date that there is a risk to pets from Febreze. The URL for the NAPCC is http://www.napcc.aspca.org Mike Richards, DVM 4/7/99 May 26 Update - Fabreze statement from the Animal Poison Control Center Date: March 26, 1999 To: Whom It May Concern Subject: Febreze Fabric Refresher Recently there have been comments and discussions posted on the Internet suggesting that the use of Febreze Fabric Refresher in households is dangerous to animals. We have issued the following statement in order to help disseminate accurate information: "Veterinary toxicologists at the ASPCA National Animal Poison Control Center are conducting an on-going investigation into claims that use of Febreze in the home caused the death of several pets. All information reviewed to date suggests that there is no evidence that Febreze represents any risk to pets when used according to label instructions. Presently, the center considers the product safe to use in households with pets. As with any cleaning product, the center recommends that birds be removed from the room until the product application has dried and the area has been ventilated. Please call 1-800-345-4735 if you have any questions or have a pet that you suspect is experiencing problems or visit us at http://www.napcc.aspca.org." Please photocopy this letter or download our statement from our web site and pass the correct information on to other friends of animals. Sincerely, Steven R. Hansen, DVM, MS Diplomate American Board of Veterinary Toxicology Senior Vice President . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln .
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
May I add... Jesus was rejected by the Pharisees' temple cult of darkness. In fact, Jesus said: "This is your hour and the power of darkness." (Luke 22:53) Regardless of how many may try, no one will ever be able to apply this identification of the overspreading of the abomination desolation over the Temple and Jerusalem to anyone else. Jesus was crucified by these same ones who took Him. (Luke 22:52-54) Regardless of how hard many try, the evil deed of rejecting and plotting the murder of Jesus can never be attributed to Rome Imperial or Rome Papal. Regardless of how hard some deny it, the Apostles always accused the Phariseees of this wicked and evil deed (Acts 2:23; 3:14-15; 7:52; 1 Thessalonians 2:15; James 5:6). The Romans were trapped into this murder by the Sanhedrin and coercing Pilate with threats of reporting him to Rome for allowing another man in the Roman Empire to be called a King. The Romans were never blamed by the Apostles for the death of Jesus. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed Your response illustrates my contention exactly. The Roman rulers of Palestine had the final say in all executions, it is a historic fact. The Jews could not condemn anyone, it had to be the Roman legal system that did it, so Pilate could not wash his hands. There is no historical evidence of there ever being any practice of allowing people to be freed for Passover or any other holiday, prisoners stayed in prison or were executed, never released because people wanted it. Jesus was a prisoner of the Romans, not the Jews. Jesus was killed by Roman soldiers, on the orders of Roman rulers. But if you want to believe the Pharisees or anyone else was at fault be my guest. . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
almud? Note that Christ did not use the generalized word 'church' here... There is only one group that utilizes a synagogue for worship. WHY did he point to the synagogue? Because he wants us to look in a certain place for the roots of the fakes. He reiterates exactly who the fakes are in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. When the abomination of desolation takes over the Holy Place, that is when it is re-established and those ordinances that were done away with, i.e. the temple building, and blood sacrifices are reinstituted; he said to flee Jerusalem. No one is going to want to be in that geographical area when the one coming as the Messiah, steps foot on the mount of Olives, (to claim to be Messiah, as he will have to follow the protocol to the 'T') magnifying himself and claiming to be God, sitting where HE ought not. Those who have believed in this false messiah, even those who believed ignorantly, because of the propaganda put out by the fake Jews [the councils], and the false prophets, these will believe as the councils will believe... unity of the faith(s) [note: plural]. This will come to pass in a very short period of time because the time of the antichrist reign has been cut short... "... And EXCEPT THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." ~Matthew 24:22 Those days of the antichrist rule have been shortened to five months... "... And to them it was given that they should not kill them but that they should be tormented FIVE MONTHS; . . ." ~Revelation 9:5 "For there shall be false Christs [Messiahs; those who claim to speak for God], and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold [take warning], I have told you before. [I have warned you in advance]." ~Matthew 24:24-25 Let's face it... The blood of bulls and goats does not redeem sin. "...For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." ~Hebrews 10:4 "And every priest standeth daily ministering and oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; But this man, [Christ], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God." ~Hebrews 10:11-12 The Talmud IS exposed... There is no hope in redemption of sin within it's tenents, i.e. salvation. There is nothing that continues the Blessed Hope of Abraham, i.e. hope for Messiah. And certainly, the fear that is used as a rod of iron is the Law. And the LAW never saved anyone. And just as the devil has wrath, because he knows he has but a short time, so have those, the same who support the Talmud... But, then again, who is it that they work for? What branding do they bear? Common sense bears witness to the truth. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Eagle 1 wrote: May I add... Jesus was rejected by the Pharisees' temple cult of darkness. In fact, Jesus said: "This is your hour and the power of darkness." (Luke 22:53) Regardless of how many may try, no one will ever be able to apply this identification of the overspreading of the abomination desolation over the Temple and Jerusalem to anyone else. Jesus was crucified by these same ones who took Him. (Luke 22:52-54) Regardless of how hard many try, the evil deed of rejecting and plotting the murder of Jesus can never be attributed to Rome Imperial or Rome Papal. Regardless of how hard some deny it, the Apostles always accused the Phariseees of this wicked and evil deed (Acts 2:23; 3:14-15; 7:52; 1 Thessalonians 2:15; James 5:6). The Romans were trapped into this murder by the Sanhedrin and coercing Pilate with threats of reporting him to Rome for allowing another man in the Roman Empire to be called a King. The Romans were never blamed by the Apostles for the death of Jesus. eagle 1 That is a well written essay, Eagle 1. I have been on the L-Torah list for a couple of years now and I can't find anything in the New Testament which would be in conflict with the Torah. So 2,000 years ago there was a Jewish schism. One faction made a big mistake. The other carried on deeming Jesus Christ to be the "Prince of the Prophets". The Anti-Christ/Talmudic faction was pre-eminent in the holocaust of 66 million in Russia and neighbouring countries (up to 1957 according to Solzhenitsyn). J2's point that "real Jews don't worship a man" doesn't hold water. Followers of Christ do not worship the man any more than people going to a temple or synagogue worship the physical structures there. FWP . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL i
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
tenebroust said, I do not want to see anyone here attacking other list members BELIEFS. I couldn't agree more... However, shouldn't that be clarified further to include a more indepth definition...? For we all believe something, even if it is disbelief, because we all post articles, comments, and opinions, regularly. What I'm saying is, the definition here, that I'm *assuming* you are trying to get across, is that you do not want to see people attacked for their RELIGIOUS or SPIRITUAL BELIEFS? Correct me if I'm wrong in this... BUT, there is still a loophole; for all religious beliefs and tenents, if taken seriously, are a way of life for those people who do. It is not opinion or comment, but rather when they disagree, they would be contending for their beliefs. As a Christian, I am instructed to 'contend' for the faith... (Jude v3). To sit back and say nothing is worse, in my opinion, than attempting to expose, what I would believe, is a lie. To censor someone for their religious beliefs, and disallow them to comment, is like saying, it's okay for you to perfectly agree with the homosexuals agenda (using this strictly as a scenario), but because I may disagree because of my religious or spiritual beliefs. I am to say nothing??? Am I not allowed to contend for my beliefs, because it infringes on YOUR rights to believe a certain way, but not for me? With this I totally disagree. tenebroust also said, The Talmud business, the Protocals, etc., are all part of a systematic concocted "history" that has been perpetrated by the Catholic Church, and other prominent European (and now American) groups to place the "Jew" in the context of evil, cheapskate, cheat, etc. This is simply not true... Judah has wrongly taken the rap for those who "say" they are Jews (God's chosen) for hundreds of years... There is more than religiosity involved in this. You must calculate the number of the beast... The word calculate in the Greek means to 'ennumerate the smooth stones over a long period of time'. The only way to calculate this is to follow the bloodline and historical record. You can find easily in the Hebrews history of the Chronicles where there are those who came in as bedouines and took over the bookkeeping, the scribeship, and the priest duties... By Jesus' time, they were known as Pharisees, and continue today in various communities and cultural statures. THESE have also taken on the title "JEW" when they actually have no inheritance, heritage or bloodline to sustain their claim. These are those that are spoken of in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9... "those who say they are Jews, but are not..." Once you find out WHO these are, you can clearly see how, over the past, that Christians have mistaken and stereotyped these in with the true Jews and how the confusion has come around to the present day. True Jews of the tribe of Judah have been blamed for way too much evil and cataclysmic atrosities!!! If you want to blame someone for propagating this information, go to the priests, preachers and teachers... they are the ones who teach ignorantly and continue to keep the pot stirred and boiling. I suppose this is why it is taught in Ezekiel ch 34 that God will start his judgment in the pulpit, with the shepherds... People need to do their homework and find out just exactly WHO they are speaking of here... and quit believing lies and gossip. Jews of the tribe of Judah *ARE innocent* as charged. But tell me... how do you tell the tares from the wheat? While maturing, or coming of age, one cannot tell, and this is why the lessons were taught throughout the gospels to leave the tares alone. I have absolutely nothing against the true Jews of Judah... and am actually very sympathetic with their plight. But, it is written that there were those who came in and took their identity and claim to be Jews, but are not. THESE are those that we should be concerned about, and when the truth comes out in the end... I believe that you will find that even these false ones are the very ones who wrote the protocols... and started all the other ugliness regarding the Jews, so as they could develop a sympathy and blend in to absorb that sympathy they created. And yes, there is also blood on the Catholic Church's hands regarding some of this... but the blame cannot be placed completely there. They too, by utilizing certain religious tenents and by brainwashing have their congregation believing that their faith is the only one... it is also a door that revolves in continuum with the same song second verse. But they are also in error to make this claim. This is a subject (i.e. the Jews) that cannot be ignored or overlooked, because most people have been brainwashed either by religious tendencies or by cultural differences that go back generations. It is a subject that is not going to go away just because you want i
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
FWP, Well, I suppose it is just another political injustice and string of travesties that result from inability in this country to practice "religious freedom"... Though I disagree with the Christian Scientists after watching a lady lay in pain and die a slow death over about a 12 year period, because her husband would not take her to the doctor. It was a very sad situation. I remember my mom trying to reason with her husband to no avail, to take her to the doctor... he refused, she died. But he still believed. He has the right... to believe what he wants. He will deal with his final decision for the rest of his life and at judgment. Even Jesus said, that there are those in need of a physician... Luke 5:30-32 Luke was a physician, who became a disciple / Apostle. But, does that mean I only absorb words of faith for healing? OR do I use common sense and seek a physician, when I know that it's going to take more than faith for healing? Again, that is a personal belief. Personally, I would go to the doctor if I was sick or take someone, or take someone if they need one. God gave us a mind to 'think' with. He didn't give us ignorance, but rather intelligence to utilize common sense in judgment calls. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed The Christian Science Church in USA has long been attacked because of its religious beliefs re "faith healing" leading to a long string of convictions. These attacks come from the political-legal establishment and many other cults and religions have also been attacked by due process of law for their beliefs and practices. FWP . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
Aleisha Saba said, Take that Old Testament and dump it Take the Old Testament and dump it? huh? What? And keep only the new? The new cannot be accepted without the tenents of the old... It simply won't hold water... Then there is no will and there is no testament if you dump the old... But THAT is exactly what this latter generation has done... tried to do away with the old and simply live off the new, claiming that the law has been done away with... etc., etc., etc., (yada yada yada...) and we now have a lawless generation, who just does what it pleases because they have totally misunderstood the whole plan from it's beginnings to it's ends. Who is to blame? Jesus said it best when he confronted the Pharisees, "[You are] making the Word of God of none effect through your traditions, which ye have delivered and many such like things do ye." ~Mark 7:13 And the traditions have continued as the truth has been suppressed in the process. Jesus taught that the New World Order was coming and those living in that generation when the time came would suffer through it. He also taught us how to fair during that time. He never said that no one would be killed or that people would escape ... As a matter of fact, even John the Baptist warned... Matt: 3:7 "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, "O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" Matt. 3:8 "Bring forth fruits meet for repentance:" You have to know who those who say they are Jews but are not are... if you don't ... you will continue to blame God and blame Jews for things that have absolutely nothing to do with his will or his testament, or the overall plan. Sounds like you've been brainwashed by the political media agenda. And so be it. You choose to believe what you choose to believe. And so do I choose to believe as I do. However, jftr, I am not here to convince you to believe as I do or otherwise. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed Well Dr. Poley, the Christian Scientists are an intelligent lot. This bible crap makes me sick for let us consider who really wrote the words in the biblelike the part i I Kings where "pissing" on the wall is almost done in ritualistic manner. English was crude in those days and if Shakespear had a hand in writing the Song of Solomon and his cypher was left in the 46th psalm, we had a lot of hanky panky here. My family traces their tree directly to the bible - and we are part of the Grail Family and I have pedigree to prove it, but who the hell cares? An Ayatollah runing around with a black turban claiming direct descent from Mohammed? Was Mohammed ordained by God to rule, or did Allah even know this man? The hook up of the Assassins to the Knight Templars as they searched for gold and loot? Bible is a big family tree and geogrpahy book. What is a jew? I do not know, and I do not care. I am concerned about this lot who call themselves Zionists and from whom 3 or 4 Rabbis now want to disassociate before they are all murdered which is a part of "God's Plan". I had an ancestor help revise the bible in 1890 period, delegate to Clarendon Press and still have the souvenier bible, SS Teachers Edition. As I wrote once before, Benjamin Franklin wrote a few verses in the proverbs and printed in the bible and nobody even knew the different. The Bible is a Master Plan for Murder and it is timed to go off at the end of this Millenium. Now if God is alive and well, so is Satan and I will tell you this Satan does rule on this planet, and between Gore, Clinton, and Saddam Hussein and Kissinger and that low life Reno and Albright -= I will take Sadaam who rides a big whie horse, when he really wants to show off, for Sadaam is a real man- and he offered us cheap oil and was refused. Why are the Zionists out to control the domestic jews and arabs and put them is Israelie while they wait judgment day whrere the State of Israel is to be destroyed. Well this one Rabbi knows his stuff and said we can live under Arab rule and Arabs can live under so called Jewish rule for the arabs and jews in the holy land, are brothers. The Sons of the Prophets and the Sons of God are brother as are all the KIngs Men and Kings, brothers. I am so sick of this religoius crap - for this is master plan for murder and all things are ready. America first must be destroyed that is the white race, for hey will take no crap any more from wild blacks and latinos runung through streets raping and molesting women - and any lady would not have been in that crowd anyway. So this is face of America - ugly, dirty and a cess pool awaiting return of the King? Return of the King means forfeiture o
Re: [CTRL] Zionist Paradise building its Ghetto Walls!!
How can there be a war, (?), when the AntiChrist comes in peace? Daniel says... ... "And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom; but he shall come in PEACEABLY, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries..." ~ Daniel 11:21 Doesn't sound much like a warring situation here. Choice is yours to believe the traditions of men... i.e. WARS, ATOMIC HOLOCAUST, PLAGUES, etc... or you can choose to believe what is written. "For when they shall say, 'Peace and safety'; then sudden destruction shall come upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." 1-Thessalonians 5:3 There are certain things must happen before there is any kind of destruction... and besides that... the destruction will be so swift and so efficient, it will be done and over before anyone realizes what happened. The key word is PEACE. eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com/zine/Oasis/June_2k.html - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "Zionist Paradise" building its Ghetto Walls!! I believe the Zionist Master plan is to bring the jews to these walled cities, and then provoke a war where Israel will be destroyed and every Jew in Israel - primarily domestic jews and the domestic arabs will die. It is all planned. The Rabbis meeting want to more or less denounce Zionism. They want to live in peace but Zionists will not permit this, and the word OIL comes to mind, for this is the only thing of great value at this time - that plus in even the Book of Genosis (equiates to word genocide as well I believe) God mentions there is GOLD there and Beryllium and they use that stuff today in nuclear missle stuff.top secret of course. Mormons preach 5 arab nations will destroy Israelcan you imagine why Israelies live in fear of Arab nations when from without war games are being set up and the Zionist does not care who will be killed. In King James Bible in Daniel and remember the conspirators today Daniel plays major role in the end of times.today these conspirators are exposed in Daniel - for in this book only once is the word TRENCH mentioned and dispute is, did they dig a trench or did they build a wall..and here we see this plan materializing.in the Garden of Eden is whree it all began and the Illuminati were born. Today that bunch of snakes in the grass consist of CFR/NWO and Zionists, the European Zionists want to control and destroy both jews and arabs in the Holy Land. So that is what I believe. Religion has nothing to do with the plan to destroy Israel - like a Massada - Israel with suicidal tendencies building walls of Daniel.remember Joshua for boy when they blew those trumpets those walls came a tumbling down - bad vibes, so to put. Zionism to me is not a religious order - it is an assassins cults using religion to accomplish their goals.GOLD, OIL, WINE, RUBIES, DIAMONDS, URANIUM, BERYLLIUM AS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE.great was the publisher of the King James Bible - for they set out a geography book showing key locations of gold, and this Valley of UR..and the VAlley of the Kings that was looted by those aboard the Titanic who even had jewelled copy of the Rubyait and boy anyone sends me a copy of that one, jewells and all - I will hit the deck. Zionists go home and leave the arabs and rabbis and jews live in peace .. so like thieves in the night they wait this year to accomplish their goalsA Zionist in the Office of the President and running the Holy Land after the slaughter of the innocents. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTE
Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed
The only argument I have with this is... The issues of the Talmud were distributed for PUBLIC information. Do you really think they are going to publicize the real thing? I don't think so... And don't forget... the ""oral"" traditions have much to do with the Talmud. THOSE you will only get from the learned Hasidics, just for the record, and THEN you will have to have reason to probe into those traditions / and kabbalah. They are not going to purposely EXPOSE themselves. Rather, anything that looks a bit pervious, they will always have an alibi. So, if you are looking for truth in the talmud, it is safe to say, you won't find much, to substantiate such Christian cries of the protocols of the elders of zion. eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/whore.html - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed --- Nicky Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that you endorse the Talmud then? I'd like to know why it isn't available in the public library, A 1989 edition in English, Hebrew, and Aramaic is available at the public library in Mendham Boro, New Jersey, in the reference section (can't check it out, have to sit there and read it or make copies), call number 296.125. A 1969 reprint of Moshe Schwab's 1886 translation of the Talmud of Jerusalem is available at the public library in Lincoln Park, NJ, call number 296.12. __ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] UEFA threatened to kick England out of Euro 2000 today
of hooliganism seems certain to have seriously undermined Englands bid to stage the 2006 World Cup finals. World governing body FIFA will choose the venue on July 6 in Zurich from Brazil, England, Germany, Morocco and South Africa. In Portugal, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said he hoped UEFAs threat to boot England out of Euro 2000 would stop English hooligans in their tracks. Hopefully this threat will bring to their senses anyone tempted to continue this mindless thuggery, Blair said in a statement released to Reuters. Copyright 2000 Reuters. All rights reserved. . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln . . spacer.gif abc.gif aquadot.gif
[CTRL] new meaning for the word 'web'
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/biotechgoats000618.html The Associated PressP L A T T S B U R G H, N. Y., June 18 About 150 goats that have been bred with a spider gene are to be housed on 60 acres of a former Air Force base here. Montreal-based Nexia Biotechnologies, Inc., plans for the goats to arrive Tuesday. The company said up to 1,500 genetically-altered goats may eventually live there. Fifteen weapons-storage buildings were converted by adding light and feeding water lines into animal holding pens for the project. We feel the site ... is a real adequate site and is in a very secure setting, Isabelle Trombley-Summers, Nexia site director of agricultural affairs, told the Plattsburgh Press-Republican. The goats have been bred with a spider gene so their milk provides a unique protein. The company then plans to extract the protein from the milk to produce fibers called BioSteel for bulletproof vests, aerospace and medical supplies. Spider silk has a unique combination of strength and elasticity with an ultra-lightweight fiber. Spinning a Profitable Web Last year, Nexia obtained the exclusive right to patents resulting from spider silk research at the University of Wyoming. The agreement included an up front payment for the university, funding for research and development expenses plus royalties on the sale of silk-based products. In January, Nexia announced the birth of two BioSteel goats. Initially, Trombley-Summers said, Nexia will have a conventional breeding facility at the Plattsburgh Airbase Redevelopment Corp. site, with bunkers housing both male and female goats. About five people will be employed there. The goats will usually remain in pens and the building will be fenced into separate areas that allow them to exercise and go outside for light, Trombley-Summers said. Trombley-Summers assured Plattsburghs Town Planning Board that they will maintain high environmental standards at the facility and have spoken with the State Department of Environmental Conservation about the operation. Theres no problem with that, Codes Enforcement Officer Donald Lee said of environmental and health standards. He said theres enough room to spread goat manure, and the goats wont be near the Saranac River or any streams. State DEC officials did not return calls placed over the weekend. Copyright 2000 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. . Visit the Eagle 1 Observer"Observing the World Around You"http://www.crayon.net/read.cgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED] " I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do ashe pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far asit in no way interferes with any other men's rights." - Abraham Lincoln . aquadot.gif spacer.gif
Re: [CTRL] FW: Invitation to join Strait_Truth [Founded 6/14/2000]
Thanks for the INFO and the warning, Tenorlove. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: Invitation to join Strait_Truth [Founded 6/14/2000] Remember JAH? This is his group. __ . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Jewish Plan
Gee, *IF* this is the way it is, as you state in you post below, Nicky, I will NEVER call myself a Christian again... Can't say I've ever heard the end times stories told quite like this before... but then, as you write on various subjects, I notice that you always seem to go off on your own belief system from whatever information you seem to collect and call your own... And then again, I suppose if one gets technical about it, don't we all? And rightly so, we are ALL entitled to believe what we choose to believe. Personally, I'll stick with what the Bible says, regardless of Jew, Gentile, Maitreya, AntiChrist, Bob Dylan, or ET. eagle 1 http://www.lambsheart.com/toc.html - Original Message - From: "Nicky Molloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Jewish Plan Interesting FWP. I actually believe Josh thinks we all come from apes as he said he is an athiest, but that he especially thinks he is a chosen ape. I thought Bob Dylan went back to Judaism when a Rabbi talked him back into it. I think one can still be a Christian in their heart but not follow any form of Americanization of Christianity. Some people don't understand this. I think a lot of people do accept Jesus but if it came down to it they wouldn't do a single thing for Him to help make the world a better place, or fight for the lies to be removed from the teachings of fake 'Christian' preachers and then they are hypocrites. I mean Christians who spout common sense, psychology, positive thinking, mass mind control through mass emotional hypnosis as 'Christian'. Well it says in the Bible that a remnant of Jews will remain and I believe whoever is in Israel at this late hour of impending Armageddon is meant to be there right now. People can boast all they want of being a chosen race, but they are not all in Israel, because their blood dosen't call them there. Heck even the Palestinians are killing themselves to live in that land. They love it. Who has Hebron? Admittedly inflation is offputting. Even Yassir ( admittedly a Freemason) wants Jerusalem as his capital. So any Jew outside Israel is going to be missing out on the real endtimes action. I know the Jews are waiting for the Messiah to return there and one Jewish rabbi said his Kabballah said the Messiah is returning in 2,005. This will be the crunch. Will Jews accept yet another Messiah or are they going to decide Jesus was the one? I guess many will reject this Maitreya Et that the Illuminati have chosen. I think personally that Christianity as we know it is so distorted with garbage I'm ashamed to say I'm one to those who will immediately think that is the kind of religion I follow.. I said I was one and Tenebrous immediately associated me with the Americanization of it. NEVER! What do we get - pass the loot TV? It's rotten right at the core from the Pope, to the Freemason Anglican and Baptist Bishops and ministers down to the bored Catholics sitting religiously on the pews worried they'll go to hell if they don't turn up. We definately need the Jews to create a new Christianity with a new name - call it Messianic Jews whatever. Dr Horowitz ( AIDS) is a Jewish Christian, now that's what is the ideal. Chuck Missler another. I have books by former Jews who have worked out a way of making things better by living as Christians and sticking to the Biblical rules.. Christianity needs to be remade without 2,000 years of distortion by men who have personality problems, greed, overactive adrenals and materialism. Also Jesus needs to be portrayed not as a lefto, pinko, bearded sandal wearer but as a mighty King who rules the Universe. Sure Jesus decided to come and live humbly but that is for a good reason, to give us a good example of doing the same and not being materialistic. It is time for us to set our sights heavenward, I do believe this planet will be changed in the twinkling of an eye and this world will be destroyed by fire. As it says in 2 Peter. How many good deeds have we done in 2,000 years? Jesus said do good deeds. In total have we generated enough light to have the oil in our lamps? Maybe we have to have the kundalini as a light at the crown chakra, to see Jesus return. We can only hope that Jacob, Isaiah, David and all the other Biblical figures are here now fixing up the mess of this planet with their special abilities. I think if King David was here he'd be in the resistance. King Solomon would be a journalist and Isaiah would be a religious reformer exposing lies in Christianity. One can always hope things will improve. We have a slight problem of being invaded by Ets right now and are seemingly at their mercy. A few prayers would go along way. Nicky . A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Prose
Re: [CTRL] Unconsensual Classified Research
I've been hearing all about these attempts to control the masses for over 20 years. I didn't realize that any of this was new material... Except that may be it is new to some that this is actually happening, and it becomes a little closer to "home". When I started telling people about HAARP and MKULTRA, subliminal messaging, and other such "non-lethal" weapons that were being silently used on people, over 20 years ago... THEN, people thought I was crazy NOW... people are begging for information on it and want to know how I found out so long ago, WHY wasn't I telling anyone... The fact of the matter was, I was telling everyone... but no one seemed to listen. The military was full of such rumours... And regardless,it doesn't take much, except losing faith in the government and losing faith in those in power... THAT is when you start looking elsewhere for REAL answers... But just like prayer, be careful, you may not get what you pray for... OR as you quest for truth, you may find more than you were looking for. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Mr.Rodriguez" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:47 PM Subject: [CTRL] "Unconsensual Classified Research" Please read: http://www.raven1.net/uncom.htm and then, read the forwarded message from Patricia Mougey- survivor of classified unconsensual experimentation If unclassified mind technology exists, it's evident "classified" tech is being used against civilians and covered up for "national security reasons." Who's hearing these people? --- Read Dr. Nick Begich's book, "Earth Rising-The Revolution: Toward a Thousand Years of Peace" is available from "Earthpulse Press"- http://www.earthpulse.com This book covers a number of separate areas with extensive documentation from government, academic and major media reports including: * The revolution in military affairs and its impact on freedom. * Mind control and the manipulation of human health through the use of drugs, electromagnetic weapons and other means. * NON-LETHAL WEAPONS AND THEIR USE AND IMPACT ON PEOPLE. * Environmental and weather control. * New Technologies which will virtually eliminate privacy from the world scene. * Militarization of law enforcement around the country. * The HAARP story is updated, showing additional evidence of the military's plans to manipulate the environment. (Alexis Rodriguez (Puerto Rico-USA) - unconsensual classified experimental subject; "non-lethal technologies"; neuro-electromagnetic mind control) http://www.calweb.com/~welsh and http://www.raven1.net --- This was just sent to various media representatives, including my local newspaper... In the past you've heard many things about the topic "Mind Control". Some facts seem so unbelievable or science-fiction related that most people inside and outside of the media label them as ridiculous, any people who claim to be 'targets' are immediately branded as 'crazy' or psychotic and in need of mental health assistance. Take a real look, and to help you is a series of articles written by Arlene Tyner for "Probe" magazine. The first article in the March-April, 2000 issue is "Mind-Control part 1: Canadian and U.S. Survivors Seek Justice". You will find, among other things, evidence that CIA involvement is real and the covert nature not contested, via the Orlikow versus United States legal case (l988). You'll be reminded of "The Sleep Room" a TV docu-drama produced for broadcast and cable television. Only stations in Canada would run itnone in the United States would touch it at the time. (The fact that the United States ignores the topic of mind control and/or human beings used as non-consenting guinea pigs is NOT unusualremember the "Human Subject Research Experiment Act" bill by John Glenn? It went to sleep in the committee room and never woke up. But, other nations are NOT ignoring the fact that non-lethal devices are now available to anyone with money. Adding some technical knowledge to it then gives them the silent 'right' to terrorize one person or an entire area, in secret, successfully.) I'm digressingTo return to the magazine series you will get a background on MKULtra, its connection to the CIA in the United States and Canada. The second article in the May-June, 200 issue (Volume 7, No.4) is titled "Mind-Control Part 2: From Implants to Microwaves: A Case Study" includes a proposed demonstration to deliberately set up a state of artifically induced dual personality ...in a private room of any hospital under the guise of medical treatment."This by one of the most well known hypnotists working w
