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2001-05-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minister Charles Simpson has the power to make you a LEGALLY ORDAINED MINISTER within 48 hours 1st22 BE ORDAINED NOW! As a minister, you will be authorized to perform the rites and ceremonies of the church!! WEDDINGS MARRY your BROTHER, SISTER, or your BEST FRIEND!! Don't

Re: NTT/Mitsubishi release Camilla, ESIGN, EPOC

2001-05-01 Thread David Honig
At 10:35 PM 4/30/01 -0400, Rich Salz wrote: NTT and Mitsubishi will be granting royalty free licenses for strict implementations of Camilla (128bit block cipher), The best part about Camilla is that it demonstrates that the Japs have a sense of humor, about the british, at least.

Re: layered deception

2001-05-01 Thread David Honig
At 10:32 PM 4/28/01 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: At 11:46 PM 4/28/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress.

Re: layered deception

2001-05-01 Thread Matthew Gaylor
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A profound new insight. We still await some real insights from a real graduate student (!), beyond her saying that we don't know as much as she says she knows. BTW, I have removed the additional addresses (David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED], Declan@Well. Com [EMAIL

Re: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:46 PM 4/28/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Phillip H. Zakas
:46 PM To: Anonymous Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: layered deception I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable

Re: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Declan McCullagh
I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable protocol can probably be worked out. Would a court order instruct you to lie? If so,

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan If you

Re: Choate - Enough is Enough

2001-04-29 Thread Nomen Nescio
Will someone at lne.com finally decide that he qualifies as spam and start filtering? That simple act would improve the signal to noise ratio dramatically. Internet is a self-service establishment. Full-service has too much undesirable luggage attached to it. I haven't seen choatian posts

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Matthew Gaylor
Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an adversary using legal process. -Declan Which

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Declan McCullagh
To: Anonymous Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: layered deception I rather like the idea of encrypting the logs on the fly and shipping them offshore. Your offshore partner will be instructed to turn over the logs only if you are not asking for them under duress. (A reasonable

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Declan McCullagh
I think Matt is a bit too quick to conclude a court will charge the operator with contempt and that the contempt charge will stick on appeal. Obviously judges have a lot of discretion, but it doesn't seem to me like the question is such a clear one if a system is set up in the proper

RE: layered deception

2001-04-29 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:04 PM 4/29/2001 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, in most circumstances you're not required to keep logs. But there are some cases, albeit a fairly narrow subset, in which you'd want to have log files that are available to you but not an

Re: Amtrak The War On Drugs

2001-04-24 Thread Riad S. Wahby
Ken Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need phone numbers to buy train tickets? For most trains around here at least, the answer is no. You get on the train, and the conductor sells you a ticket to where you're going for cash. Or you can pay at the ticket office at the station beforehand, if

Re: Reading List (for the umpteenth time....)

2001-04-20 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, James A. Donald wrote: Detweiler repeatedly attempted that hack in several different newsgroups and mailing lists, and repeatedly failed. Everyone would come to the conclusion that he was a loon, and that anyone who agreed with him was either a tentacle or a fellow loon.

RE: not getting it in Quebec

2001-04-20 Thread Shaun Ollivierre
those pussies should have used pipe bombs, thats where it's at! - - Shaun Ollivierre Dream Developments/EHI [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.enphourell.com On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: It would be cruel to use live animals. Maybe they should use stuffed shirts. Peter --

Re: Stalking Louis Freeh

2001-04-17 Thread Dr. Evil
Although ChoicePoint says it has records on nearly every American with a credit card, it doesn’t always provide access to that data. The company’s Autotrack service is popular with many

Re: hello, I would like to learn how to hack a bit

2001-04-16 Thread Ray Dillinger
Certainly. Head down to the local hardware store and buy yourself a very large axe. Now find something you want to hack, lift the axe over your head, and bring it down edge first. You may need to hack three or four times before you break all the way through. It's easy once you get the

Re: Starium?

2001-04-16 Thread Dr. Evil
Peter, Thanks for the tip on that. I'll be looking out for it, although at that price, it's cheaper to buy a dedicated PC and run SpeakFreely, as you point out. Linux PDAs with good sound chips are just around the corner, apparently, and it seems that it shouldn't be too big a feat to get

Re: hello, I would like to learn how to hack a bit

2001-04-16 Thread Daniel J. Boone
It's very simple. Go to a military surplus store or your local Wall-Mart and buy a machete. If you buy a surplus one, you may want to sharpen it and polish the rusty blade, although this step is not essential because one may hack quite noisily and dramatically with a rusty dull machete. Go out

RE: Starium?

2001-04-16 Thread Trei, Peter
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Starium? At the RSA conference I saw a company selling Starium-equivalent units, both for voice and data encryption. The voice only units were about $1400 apiece. (frankly, at that price, you could plug a PC with an A/D converter card between

Re: Cypherpunks, Feds, and Pudgyfaced Voyeurism

2001-04-12 Thread arcanum
Quoting Ray Dillinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: It's all so sad and predictable and sad again. The cypherpunks list had its glory days: Wired magazine cover stories, blossoming technology, and, yes, even those damnable tentacles. Now it's become a

Re: Cypherpunks, Feds, and Pudgyfaced Voyeurism

2001-04-12 Thread Dr_Strangelove
Unindictedcoconspiritors? Tentaclenet? Targetzone? Shootmeplease? -- DS "Y'know, if the earth were flat, all the Chinese would fall off..." -- Firesign Theatre

Re: How do we expect to even find them ...

2001-04-11 Thread Anonymous
How do we expect to even find them, when they're using mixmasters to remain anonymous? Do you know what a mixmaster is? This is exactly the problem. from "Can hackers help stop child porn on the Net?" I see now, this is why ICC is enlisting cypherpunks. --- High Commissioner of the

Re: Cypherpunks, Feds, and Pudgyfaced Voyeurism

2001-04-11 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: It's all so sad and predictable and sad again. The cypherpunks list had its glory days: Wired magazine cover stories, blossoming technology, and, yes, even those damnable tentacles. Now it's become a convenient way for the Feds to land convictions.

Re: Cypherpunks, Feds, and Pudgyfaced Voyeurism

2001-04-11 Thread Declan McCullagh
Hmm. Anyone know what are some extant web-to-email remailers, and what Type I remailers exist? -Declan On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 06:43:10PM -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: It's all so sad and predictable and sad again. The cypherpunks list had its

Re: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?

2001-04-04 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Obviously there are going to be some points of agreement. Seth is a liberal and a programmer who is going to like strong crypto, free speech (only the types the ACLU approves of, naturally), and so on. But on cases involving free trade,

Re: How the Justice Department screws with a reporter

2001-04-03 Thread Anonymous
I found out that Worldtravel had moved my flight to a Tuesday departure that would get into the city that afternoon, *after* the proceedings had begun. That could (understandably) piss off the judge -- I'd be violating a This is my worst nightmare. We are ruled by infantile idiots. Oh, the

RE: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras

2001-04-03 Thread David Honig
At 08:59 PM 4/2/01 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, David Honig wrote: but while working for aol i remember companies trying to sell me on the concept of 'anti-porn' pic filtering software. it worked by looking for a high percentage of flesh tones in a pic. Yeah but all

Re: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?

2001-04-03 Thread Eric Cordian
see any Libertarians protesting either when Sally Mann and Jock Sturges are hauled off to the Sex Offender Re-Education Camp either. In fact, Libertarians are real good at letting everyone have whatever rights they can personally defend, without anyone else lifting a finger. Foo on Libertaria

RE: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras

2001-04-02 Thread David Honig
At 05:55 PM 4/2/01 -0400, Phillip H. Zakas wrote: ya know this does sound like an april fools joke (esp. the part about encouraging the photographer to enter into counseling.) Particularly if you only ran across it Monday. Got Mr. Bear, too. There are some cute RFCs dated 1.4.x too. but

Re: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged

2001-03-22 Thread Ray Dillinger
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty Good Privacy that permits digital signatures to be forged in some situations. Phil Zimmermann, the PGP inventor who's now the director of the OpenPGP Consortium, said on Wednesday that he and a

Re: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged

2001-03-22 Thread dmolnar
A "vulnerability" that requires the opponent to have write access to your private key in order to exploit? Okay. What was PGP's threat model again? I'd have sworn that this was squarely outside it. Probably. Do you need only write access? What does that do for smart cards - if

RE: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged

2001-03-22 Thread Phillip H. Zakas
use the ms crypto api architecture has already received an "ok" for export (with caveats re: 128 bit encryption.) i've been through this process so I know the 'crack' and the export license information is correct (as of one year ago anyway). the most significant problem with pki, imho, i

Re: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged

2001-03-21 Thread Nikita Borisov
In article 99b89r$lgd$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ian Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If p is wrong, the result S' will be correct mod q but incorrect mod p. so S' ^ e mod q = M mod q, but S' ^ e mod p != M mod p. Therefore GCD(S' ^ e mod n, M) = q, and we're done. I think you meant GCD((S'^e mod

Re: PGP flaw found by Czech firm allows dig sig to be forged

2001-03-21 Thread Ian Goldberg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42553,00.html Your E-Hancock Can Be Forged by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 10:20 a.m. Mar. 21, 2001 PST WASHINGTON -- A Czech information security firm

Re: What is the recommended variant of PGP.

2001-03-17 Thread David E. Smith
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Alan Olsen wrote: Gnu Privacy Guard is an Open Source PGP replacement. I have not examined interoperability with older versions of PGP though. (I will be doing that soon though.) The short version is this: GPG will work more-or-less transparently with PGP 5.x and 6.x,

Re: firewall

2001-03-16 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, cory ertle wrote: I want to see if my girl is cheating on me by hacking into her e-mail account at school. Now i know enough about here to bypass her pass pretty easily but i however don't know the best way to go about getting to her account. I would suggest social

Re: Paternity tests [was: WSJ: NSA Computer Upgrade]

2001-03-15 Thread Trei, Peter
John Young[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Men usually got a hangup about paternity, and many don't want to know the truth, so the 28% is surely way low, in particular to protect the kids and the wives and to keep the men in harness. Them's the facts of biology and culture and healthy workplace

RE: WSJ: NSA Computer Upgrade

2001-03-15 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, David Honig wrote: The motivation for this is that the legals have decided that supporting the children is more important than fairness. Its that simple; some legals will even admit it. "Fairness" is such a slippery word. Is it fair for a child to have no support

RE: WSJ: NSA Computer Upgrade

2001-03-14 Thread John Young
It is likely that a principal reason for the new NSA system is to be able to more efficiently spy on its users, as with intelink, siprnet and niprnet -- and our own beloved Internet whose users and hackers know not what is being logged. Counterintelligence has become a more important function

Re: the link doesn't work......

2001-03-13 Thread Declan McCullagh
We would be delighted to help you for our usual consulting fees. -Declan On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 07:54:18AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying to check out the link on your "code cracking" page maybe you could help me. I was trying to find out if this is a page containing info. on

Re: cypherpunks - Make $2000 a Week -ATES

2001-03-12 Thread Andrew Alston
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, EarnMor wrote: Over the last couple weeks I've been telling you about a unique way to earn up to or over $2000 a week with minimal effort on your part. All you need to do is advertise our toll-free number, and our professional sales staff will take care of the

Re: Toy gun ban: This is pleasantly insane

2001-03-12 Thread drevil
Such replicas can be bought in shops or by mail order and are frequently used by criminals. The minister said replicas posed a "real threat" to society. I would have thought that they posed a "replica of a real threat" to society.

RE: Toy gun ban: This is pleasantly insane

2001-03-12 Thread Alan Olsen
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: Next thing you know, it will be considered assault to hold your finger like a gun and say "bang". (If it is not already.) Try it in Heathrow airport and you will get ten years. Airports are already a "no humour zone", so that is to be

Re: corporate espionage

2001-03-10 Thread Jim Choate
Hi Becky, Which if the several hundred subscribers to the 8+ CDR nodes and potentialy thousands of associated webpages might you be refering to? You seem to have a fuzzy understanding of the concept 'mailing list'. On Sat, 10 Mar 2001, Becky wrote: Read your article. Most of the examples

Re: corporate espionage

2001-03-10 Thread Becky
I was doing an internet search on cor esp. your article was on my hit list. At this point I cannot recall the page. Are you the right person for the subject? Jim Choate wrote: Hi Becky, Which if the several hundred subscribers to the 8+ CDR nodes and potentialy thousands of associated

Re: corporate espionage

2001-03-10 Thread Jim Choate
Ok, let me say this again You are sending a note to a distributed mailing list. It has 8 core nodes with each node hosting their own set of independent subscribers. The total number of subscribers is potentaily several hundred. You are acting like you're sending a note to an individual. You

RE: OK, which node is down? [WAS: Re: Denial of Service Attackon Cypherpunks?]

2001-03-09 Thread Trei, Peter
I received no postings from cyberpass from sometime Monday through this morning. It seems to be back now. Peter -- From: Bill Stewart home email[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] As far as I can tell, I've been receiving this discussion via cyberpass.net, so it must be ok

Re: OK, which node is down? [WAS: Re: Denial of Service Attackon Cypherpunks?]

2001-03-08 Thread Harmon Seaver
I was subscribed to cyberpass.net, been gone for two days and came home to no cpunks mail. Subscribed to lne and it started flowing again. Pretty weird -- even wierder is what happened to openpgp -- I was subscribed to that one, it went down, came back up, went down again and never

Re: Bell's 3 Nutcases

2001-03-07 Thread Alan Olsen
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, John Young wrote: Jim Bell has made a motion to have three of the USA's witnesses undergo psychological evaluation. No names given in the case docket. Since Jim has been repeatedly moving to have his federal defender, AUSA London, and Judge Tanner recused, it may be

Re: The Private Secretary Of The Most Honorable Sir

2001-03-05 Thread Anonymous
I think it might have something to do with the fact that we rarely see females posting on cypherpunks. But let's see her use a TYPE II remailer, yeah !

Re: Cypherpunks IQ Test to the Sirs of Dillinger, Brown Packet, et. al.

2001-03-05 Thread Harmon Seaver
How stupid do I look wrote: Not enough information. Please clarify the following ambiguities: What kind of an apple is it? A magic one, of course. Is she a witch? Magic scares me. Why? A female spirit appears to you, that's a "Good Thing", eh? Is

Re: eSurvellance via cable modem?

2001-03-02 Thread Harmon Seaver
Doing a little research to be up to speed on cable... PacketCable is interesting, as it talks about online gaming, telephony, etc... but check out this part of the spec. http://www.packetcable.com/specs/pkt-sp-esp-I01-991229.pdf

Re: Microsoft Trial Judge Based His Break-Up Remedy On Flawed Theory, NotFacts

2001-03-01 Thread David Honig
At 11:02 AM 3/1/01 +, Ken Brown wrote: Reese wrote: I don't think Godwin would agree. Godwin's Law is a natural law of Usenet named after Mike Godwin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) concerning Usenet "discussions". It reads, according to the Jargon File: As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the

Re: Independent Institute Response To Phillip Hallam-Baker (networkexternality)

2001-03-01 Thread lizard
Hm. It's odd my two main hobbies -- arguing about libertarian politics and RPGs -- overlap, but check this out: http://www.rpgplanet.com/dnd3e/interview-rsd-0300.htm (Do a search on 'network' to find the relevant section of the interview.) Apologies to Matt and the II, but from where I stand,

Re: Microsoft Trial Judge [blah blah blah]

2001-03-01 Thread James A. Donald
-- At 11:23 PM 2/27/2001 -0500, David Stultz wrote: Isn't there some sort of rule where at the first mention of "Hitler" or "Nazi", it's the end of the thread? James A. Donald: It appears to me that this rule is most commonly invoked by those whose ideology and program has a

Re: Another Wiretap Criminal Exposed

2001-02-28 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:52:33AM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: More "Zero Intelligence" from the public school system. http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/national/ap448.htm Charges dropped: http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/02/28/recording.charge.01.ap/index.html - NAVARRE,

FBI leaks Top Secret code cracking capabilities- NOT. (Was: Re: weird (fwd))

2001-02-28 Thread aluger
At Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:49:43 -0800, Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:16 AM -0600 2/28/01, Jim Choate wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:23:04 -0800 From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: weird The comment came from a

Re: Microsoft Trial Judge Based His Break-Up Remedy On Flawed Theory, Not Facts

2001-02-28 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 11:46:58AM -0800, lizard wrote: "Colin A. Reed" wrote: I'll admit that the trial was fucked up from the start by the decision to center it around netscape rather than something more blatant like stac. Anyways, this has nothing to do with FC, unless you think

Re: Micropayments: Effective Replacement For Ads?

2001-02-27 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Tim May wrote: At 2:57 PM -0800 2/26/01, Ray Dillinger wrote: If they can fix micropayments so that I can authorize my web agent to spend up to $5 a month and not pester me about it, they might have something I'd use. Most people will skip any sites that cost

Re: Microsoft Trial Judge Based His Break-Up Remedy On Flawed Theory, Not Facts

2001-02-27 Thread lizard
"Colin A. Reed" wrote: I'll admit that the trial was fucked up from the start by the decision to center it around netscape rather than something more blatant like stac. Anyways, this has nothing to do with FC, unless you think that enterprise is fundamentally expressive and Microsoft's

other file sharing apps (Re: OpenNap Server)

2001-02-24 Thread Adam Back
Also imesh (http://www.imesh.com) seems to work ok. No details of how it works, but it has a reasonable selection of music (and porn videos by the look of it) and is faster than gnutella. I guess a big thing going for distributed file sharing is the interest level. These napster a-like people

Re: Secure Erasing is actually harder than that...

2001-02-23 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Ray Dillinger wrote: If your application can read and write an encrypted drive without specifically providing the keys, then a trojan on your system can read and write an encrypted drive without specifically providing the keys. I think it is not sensible to include trojans

Re: [Re: The CIA for Kids?]

2001-02-19 Thread LUIS VILDOSOLA
Encryption is used in economic policy, without it a minority wouldn't be so lucky over the stock markets and the majority wouldn't have consistent bad luck over it. Forget General Dynamic, General Electric or NBC. Put your attention on how interest rates fluctuation is argumented in favor of,

Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-27 Thread John Young
During the grand jury questioning I was asked about only one person besides Jim Bell and the CIA-fictional "Mueller" and this was someone whose name I did not know. The name could have been as fictional as the other two. Do not send me private email or snail mail or telephone or visit.

Re: Whois Database Hacked for Microsoft.com

2001-01-27 Thread auto129994
snort When will people stop falling for this? Remember that when you register a second-level domain, you can assign any subdomains you want through your own DNS service. The owners of KLUGE.ORG, for example, could add RAYMOND.D.MERENIUK.IS.A.MORON.KLUGE.ORG. If Microsoft itself had such a

Re: Recommendations for Cypherpunks Books

2001-01-26 Thread Ken Brown
Bill Stewart wrote: [...] Neil Stephenson's Cryptonomicon is of course recommended, and classics like Vinge's "True Names" and "A Fire Upon The Deep". and Stephenson's "Snow Crash". Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game" has some nice treatment of reputation systems and pseudonymity -

Re: Bell Grand Jury

2001-01-26 Thread A. Melon
mmotyka said: I wonder what's the budget to date for chasing down one apparently not so dangerous guy? They may be creating, at great expense ( is there another way for a government to create? ), what it is they want to find. If they push him over the edge, in 5 years or so they can have a

Re: Web war rages over DVD-cracking site

2001-01-26 Thread George
Congrats to John on his current luck. Well, not the visit to WAy out there. Declan, nice photos. Now check these out: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0104/conaway.shtml Heh-heh-heh.

Re: Blank Frank and Lori Banks

2001-01-25 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:51 AM 1/23/01 -0600, Lori Banks wrote: I just read an interesting email that you sent concerning cracking .pwl files. I have a need to crack a .pwl file, but I don't know how to make that program work. I'm really not computer literate (if you can't tell). I am a concerned parent that

Re: CDR: Re: Some other math/crypto sci-fi

2001-01-25 Thread Tom
Bill Stewart wrote: At 01:26 PM 1/24/01 +0100, Tom wrote: Alan Olsen wrote: You could do a collectable card game based on the patent mess, but the idea of a collectable card game has already been patented. (Now owned by Hasbro now that they bought Wizards of the Cost.) wouldn't that

Re: Some other math/crypto sci-fi

2001-01-25 Thread Bill Stewart
You could do a collectable card game based on the patent mess, but the idea of a collectable card game has already been patented. (Now owned by Hasbro now that they bought Wizards of the Cost.) On a slightly more cypherpunkish theme, before Cryptonomicon had the base-52 Solitaire

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-24 Thread George
Jim Burnes smoldered: #Reese wrote: # Reno burned little kids in their church, because of the FIREARMS held # or believed to be held somewhere on or around the compound. # # You might want to reappraise. # #I've appraised the Waco scenario more than most. You might

Re: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address

2001-01-24 Thread A. Melon
Which one of our 8 lists could you not followthe instructions? Thanks- Gagler Why don't we subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the cypherpunks list? It is absurd that they haven't removed [EMAIL PROTECTED] from their jokes list, after being asked repeatedly.

Re: FC: Supreme Court agrees to hear morphed kiddie porn case

2001-01-24 Thread George
I hope there is a separate sub-challenge on someone being caught with non-children-"child porno" being labeled a sex offender. Talk about thought crime...

Re: CDR: Re: Some other math/crypto sci-fi

2001-01-24 Thread Bill Stewart
At 01:26 PM 1/24/01 +0100, Tom wrote: Alan Olsen wrote: You could do a collectable card game based on the patent mess, but the idea of a collectable card game has already been patented. (Now owned by Hasbro now that they bought Wizards of the Cost.) wouldn't that be perfect? a "collectable

Re: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address

2001-01-24 Thread Gagler
L PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address Send them the bounce messages that show that their unsubscribe script is broken. They also need a clue-by-four upside the head for thei

Re: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address

2001-01-24 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Gagler wrote: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:31:00 -0600 From: Gagler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED], A. Melon [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Unsubscribe broken while you spam

Re: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address

2001-01-23 Thread Ray Dillinger
Someone is using your mailing lists to direct unwanted "noise" email at another mailing list. They think it's fun to subscribe a discussion mailing list address for one of your no-posting-allowed mailing lists and annoy a few hundred people a day. The guy who wrote you is probably not

Re: CDR: Some other math/crypto sci-fi

2001-01-23 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:53 PM 1/22/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: And probably the best crypto/code/conspiricy fiction ever written, Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. It's worth reading the Illuminatus! trilogy first. I tried finding that in used book stores a decade or so ago, and for a while there was a

Re: CDR: Re: Recommendations for Cypherpunks Books

2001-01-23 Thread Bill Stewart
At 01:27 AM 1/23/01 -0500, dmolnar wrote: This suggests a tangent - If we look at works of fiction which were politically or socially influential in their day, how many were entertaining? how many were "good stories"? A lot of polemics end up seeming transparent and thin today (I'm thinking in

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-23 Thread petro
-- On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:13:32PM -1000, Reese wrote: Then why were the troops laying siege to the compound, instead of snatching koresh when he made one of his frequent trips into town? At 11:54 PM 1/19/2001 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Because sometimes a show of force is

Re: Fw: Excuse me, Mr. Blank Frank

2001-01-23 Thread petro
nks list: "Blank Frank" is anonymous. S/he could be anybody, or several different anybodies at the same time. You happened to catch it/him/her/them in a nasty mood, and at least one of it/him/her/them flamed you pretty hard. Perhaps that particular persona of "Blank Frank" is all out of

Re: REAL assassination politics

2001-01-22 Thread petro
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: from fas: ASSASSINATION POLITICS In a new bill introduced in the House of Representatives on January 3, Rep. Bob Barr proposed to eliminate the longstanding official prohibition against assassination. Ew, ick. This seems to be devolving to the

Re: Banned MI6 Book

2001-01-22 Thread petro
Ex-MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson's book, "The Big Breach: From Top Secret To Maximum Security," is available for order on a Russian Web site: http://www.thebigbreach.com It also seems to be available at spAmazon. -- A quote from Petro's Archives:

Re: Yet another spam generator

2001-01-22 Thread Tom
Ken Brown wrote: so (the author claims) bypass Echelon. Hmmm. Whoever put the site up doesn't seem to have a clear distinction between cryptography, stenography obfuscation. Does everyone have to reinvent the wheel every time? Are we going to go through it all *again* with mobile phone

Re: Reno rocks out

2001-01-22 Thread Bill Stewart
At 01:38 AM 1/21/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] # #When I was standing on a sidewalk in front of the federal courthouse on #Pennsylvania Ave (of Monicagate and Microsoft trial fame), a deputy U.S. #Marshal told me I could not take a

Re: Recommendations for Cypherpunks Books

2001-01-22 Thread dmolnar
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Bill Stewart wrote: "Trouble and Her Friends" has some good treatment of cryptographically protected subcultures, though that's more as redeeming-social-value for a book that's written for genre. Yes, that had been nagging at me. I haven't read it in years so didn't

Re: Recommendations for Cypherpunks Books

2001-01-22 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:09 PM 1/22/01 -0500, dmolnar wrote: Etizoni is a very technical boy. Unfortunately, his value system led him to invent "Fair Cryptography" (that's "fair" as in "Fair Trade", not "fair" as in "actually fair to anybody" :-), which covers a couple of variants on key escrow. Hmm. So this

Re: Recommendations for Cypherpunks Books

2001-01-22 Thread Bill Stewart
One of the major values to fiction is that it lets you think about the social implications of technology, in most cases without going deeply into the technology itself. That's important for cypherpunks, though the street finds its own uses for tech, and it's easier to describe crypto non-bogusly

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-21 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 08:32:14AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: -- On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:13:32PM -1000, Reese wrote: Then why were the troops laying siege to the compound, instead of snatching koresh when he made one of his frequent trips into town? At 11:54 PM 1/19/2001

Re: John Ashcroft

2001-01-21 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 01:06:43AM -0800, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote But I wonder who really believes Ashcroft is being absolutely genuine in his responses to Feinstein? In the last election in Texas when G.W. Bush was running for governor he

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-21 Thread Declan McCullagh
At 12:07 AM 1/21/01 -1000, Reese wrote: It wasn't a right for the what, 40,000 in flint michigan, either, was it? It's called at-will employment: You keep your employer happy, you get your job. (I'm starting to think you're not only very educated, but not very educable. I'd love for you to

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-21 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: You're thinking too literally. Show of force: When an employer reminds a slacker that having a job is not a right. That's just shit rolling downhill. How long is a manager going to have his job if he *doesn't* fire slackers? Or how long can an

Re: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address

2001-01-21 Thread Gagler
Which one of our 8 lists could you not followthe instructions? Thanks- Gagler - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:00 AM Subject: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address Your unsubscribe process, both the web

Re: John Ashcroft

2001-01-20 Thread Raymond D. Mereniuk
Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote But I wonder who really believes Ashcroft is being absolutely genuine in his responses to Feinstein? In the last election in Texas when G.W. Bush was running for governor he was accused by his opponent of only using the governvorship of Texas as a

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-20 Thread Declan McCullagh
benefited from this "necessary" show of how forcefully Reno et al. could burn wooden buildings with people inside them? Yeah-yeah, the evidence is contested, re: who started the fires. What isn't contested is the armored vehicles poking gun muzzles through the walls. Reese

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-20 Thread Tim May
At 9:00 AM -0500 1/20/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: Reno probably didn't expect the situation to, um, blow up in her face. It is also undisputed that if they wanted to avoid a show of force, they could have nabbed Koresh during his jogs around the property line or whatnot in the morning. Reese,

Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft

2001-01-20 Thread Mac Norton
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Tim May wrote: As for Ashcroft, we'll see. Bush won, so Bush gets to appoint his staff. The whole "review by the Senate" thing is a relic of the McCarthy era, actually, and should be done away with. Advice and consent of the Senate as to federal officers has been in

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