Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Martin Steigerwald: Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 22:30:15 schrieb Vincent Bernat: ❦ 27 novembre 2014 22:02 +0100, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de : And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same* binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well… Wild

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Marc Haber: Updating of such systems has always been a pain, but this time it's going to be a gazillion times more painful. Why? (Seriously.) -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 08:45 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 à 21:29 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:19:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org If you want to help our users, you can contribute to debianfork, or you can improve your packages in

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Marc Haber: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:53:18 +0100, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: Yes, the logind-related parte _could_ be provided elsewhere, but part of the features logind needs is already implemented in systemd. So using that instead of rolling your own from scratch is

Re: Javascript trigger design

2014-11-28 Thread Tomas Pospisek
Am 28.11.2014 um 08:19 schrieb Matthias Urlichs: Hi, Tomas Pospisek: At least the Ruby On Rails framework notices an updated JS and will re-compress the whole JS blob from its parts. Does it call stat() on every constituent of these packed JS files on every web request, or does it do

Re: Javascript trigger design

2014-11-28 Thread Jérémy Lal
Le vendredi 28 novembre 2014 à 06:16 +, olivier sallou a écrit : Le Fri Nov 28 2014 at 01:55:26, Tomas Pospisek t...@sourcepole.ch a écrit : Am 28.11.2014 um 00:04 schrieb Thomas Goirand: Hi, Web application have evolved into monsters that needs lots of javascript. It's very

Re: Javascript trigger design

2014-11-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Jérémy Lal wrote: The debian side is in no way able / fit to take care of *live* updating js/css bundles. This is up to the web framework you're using - like you mentioned for example RoR. What is needed for debian-packaged webapps is to be able to regenerate

Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, In the (last) hope that the CTTE will bring this issue on the agenda next meeting on December 4. Additional information below and a short summary. On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: (another partial? solution is to

Bug#771306: ITP: libjs-autonumeric -- jQuery plugin that automatically formats currency and numbers

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: libjs-autonumeric Version : 1.9.12 Upstream Author : Robert J. Knothe b...@decorplanit.com * URL : https://github.com/BobKnothe/autoNumeric * License : Expat Programming

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: the order of pre-depends for int init package should change from Pre-Depends: systemd-sysv | sysvinit-core | upstart to Pre-Depends: sysvinit-core | systemd-sysv | upstart That would probably require changes in d-i to ensure that systemd is, indeed,

Bug#771308: ITP: libjs-backbone-deep-model -- improved support for models with nested attributes

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: libjs-backbone-deep-model Version : 0.10.4 Upstream Author : Charles Davison, Pow Media Ltd, char...@powmedia.co.uk * URL : https://github.com/powmedia/backbone-deep-model * License

Bug#771311: ITP: libjs-backbone.stickit -- Backbone data binding plugin that binds Model attributes to View elements

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: libjs-backbone.stickit Version : 0.7.0 Upstream Author : The New York Times, Matthew DeLambo dela...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/NYTimes/backbone.stickit * License :

Bug#771313: ITP: libjs-cocktail -- implementation of Backbone mixins

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: libjs-cocktail Version : 0.5.7 Upstream Author : Onsi Fakhouri onsi...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/onsi/cocktail * License : Expat Programming Lang: Javascript

Re: Javascript trigger design

2014-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote: It's been a long time I've been thinking about it, and I believe that the only way to do this, would be to use triggers. Though I have never Look at libjs-protoaculous which combines prototype and scriptaculous into one (possibly minified) js file. In

Bug#771314: ITP: libjs-i18next -- easy way to translate a website on clientside

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: libjs-i18next Version : 1.7.1 Upstream Author : Jan Muehlemann jan.muehlem...@gmail.com * URL : http://github.com/i18next/i18next * License : Expat Programming Lang:

Bug#771318: ITP: libjs-requirejs -- uses plain script tags to load modules/files

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: libjs-requirejs Version : 2.1.9 Upstream Author : jrburke jrbu...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/jrburke/requirejs * License : BSD-or-MIT Programming Lang: Javascript

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the users). Future will I’ll tell you in the present. Github? Ugh! http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/free-software-needs-free-tools

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Simon Richter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 28.11.2014 09:43, Svante Signell wrote: The official name of the Debian fork is devuan: https://devuan.org It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the

Re: ArchitectureSpecificsMemo

2014-11-28 Thread Riku Voipio
Hi, On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:50:26AM +, Edmund Grimley Evans wrote: http://wiki.debian.org/ArchitectureSpecificsMemo Some suggestions for improving this table: 1. About half of the table is taken up with sizeof information, some of which could be expressed more concisely. (Are all

Thank you for the remarkable work on Jessie

2014-11-28 Thread lumin
Hi debian-devel, I'm glad to say I just upgraded my machine[1] from wheezy (7.4~5) directly to current Jessie, and I found this progress is just painless at all, and no dependency problems remains after upgrade. There indeed are some configuration issues which I resolved easily, and I think

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 28, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be kept. I disagree: upgrades should get the default init system unless the system administrator chooses otherwise. b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Read
On 28/11/14 11:56, Svante Signell wrote: 3) Add information in release-notes on how to: - Upgrade from stable/testing/sid to jessie to avoid getting systemd-sysv installed (this should not strictly be needed if the ctte chooses to decide that upgrades will _not_ switch init) This part has

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Niels Thykier
On 2014-11-28 14:41, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Nov 28, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: [...] b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf message about alternative init systems. It would be totally unacceptable to waste the time of every Debian user

Bug#771326: ITP: libjs-requirejs-text -- loader plugin for loading text resources

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: libjs-requirejs-text Version : 2.0.9 Upstream Author : James Burke jrbu...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/requirejs/text * License : BSD-or-MIT Programming Lang:

Bug#771325: ITP: libjs-require-css -- requiring and optimization with almond support

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: libjs-require-css Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Guy Bedford guybedf...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/guybedford/require-css * License : Expat Programming Lang:

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Simon Richter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 28.11.2014 14:41, Marco d'Itri wrote: a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be kept. I disagree: upgrades should get the default init system unless the system administrator chooses otherwise. I disagree:

Re: Javascript trigger design

2014-11-28 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:30:40AM +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote: Am 28.11.2014 um 08:19 schrieb Matthias Urlichs: Hi, Tomas Pospisek: At least the Ruby On Rails framework notices an updated JS and will re-compress the whole JS blob from its parts. Does it call stat() on every

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Nov 28, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be kept. I disagree: upgrades should get the default init system unless the system administrator chooses otherwise. I

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Simon Richter: I have a system where the network connection is so important that the pppd is invoked via the inittab, which is a published interface of the init system and has been for decades. When an upgrade installs systemd, this machine will simply drop off the network. Other

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 11/28/2014 03:16 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Marco d'Itri wrote: I disagree: upgrades should get the default init system unless the system administrator chooses otherwise. I disagree with you, and so does CTTE, this time: they said that existing installations should

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: No, the ctte did not say that. We had a flamewar about that interpretation before. That was almost word by word from https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg0.html bye, //mirabilos -- Why don't you use JavaScript? I also

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 02:41:23PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Nov 28, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com wrote: a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be kept. I disagree: upgrades should get the default init system unless the system administrator chooses

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On 11/28/2014 03:24 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: No, the ctte did not say that. We had a flamewar about that interpretation before. That was almost word by word from https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg0.html See [1] and

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 03:24:18PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: No, the ctte did not say that. We had a flamewar about that interpretation before. That was almost word by word from

Re: Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-28 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Simon McVittie: If sshd uses (or can be made to use) IP_FREEBIND to remove the potential dependency on bringing up network interfaces, then /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service could have DefaultDependencies=no, RequiresMountsFor=/usr /lib /etc, and drop its dependency on network.target.

Re: Bug#769907: A small suggestion on constructive engagement [Was, Re: Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail]

2014-11-28 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Octavio Alvarez: Question: is it safe to say that systemd doesn't yet support the full /etc/fstab specification from util-linux [1]? Yes; it's safe. It's also wrong. But it's quite safe. (-: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 28, Simon Richter s...@debian.org wrote: I disagree: This is not safe and can break systems. Everything is not safe and can break systems, so this is not a very compelling argument. I have a system where the network connection is so important that the pppd is invoked via the inittab,

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Stephan Seitz wrote: Of course not. syslog-ng was not replaced by rsyslog when Debian changed the default syslog. Note that syslog-ng was not the default, but sysklogd (which was) wasn’t replaced either. Thankfully. The grub1 bootloader was not replaced when Debian

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 04:00:42PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Stephan Seitz wrote: Of course not. syslog-ng was not replaced by rsyslog when Debian changed the default syslog. Note that syslog-ng was not the default, but sysklogd (which was) wasn’t replaced either.

Re: Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-28 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Vincent Danjean: I found another issue with systemd and noauto. [...] Do you think I should do a bugreport ? Not until you've constructed a far better description, because your current description is this: 1. I have several lines in /etc/fstab that all have noauto. 2. systemd is obeying

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 13:48 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the users). Future will I’ll tell you in the present. Github?

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Stephan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 04:00:42PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Stephan Seitz wrote: Of course not. syslog-ng was not replaced by rsyslog when Debian changed the default syslog. Note that syslog-ng was not the default, but

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: Github? Ugh! http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/free-software-needs-free-tools This has just started, give them some time, please. No. If they even consider things like this, there is something seriously wrong right in the beginning. Maybe it would be a

Re: Thank you for the remarkable work on Jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 9:04 PM, lumin wrote: However there's a issue: Once started the Xorg, it Segfaults right away. Seems that this is caused by xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion[3]. Please file a bug (severity serious): http://x.debian.net/howto/report-bugs.html (Please let me know what

Bug#771337: init-scripts: iptables-persistent initialized after psad

2014-11-28 Thread Sven Herzberg
Package: general Severity: important I installed the psad in order to detect port scanning attempts and – according to the recommendations from https://wiki.debian.org/iptables – installed my initial set of rule to be loaded by iptables-persistent. However, in the init script order, psad has

Bug#771337: init-scripts: iptables-persistent initialized after psad

2014-11-28 Thread gregor herrmann
Control: reassign -1 psad On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:55:00 +0100, Sven Herzberg wrote: I installed the psad in order to detect port scanning attempts and – according to the recommendations from https://wiki.debian.org/iptables – installed my initial set of rule to be loaded by

Processed: Re: Bug#771337: init-scripts: iptables-persistent initialized after psad

2014-11-28 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing control commands: reassign -1 psad Bug #771337 [general] init-scripts: iptables-persistent initialized after psad Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'psad'. Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #771337 to the same values previously set Ignoring request to alter fixed

Re: Bug#771269: ITP: jnr-ffi -- Java library for loading native libraries without writing writing JNI code

2014-11-28 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Hi Tim, I believe we already have that one: https://packages.qa.debian.org/j/jffi.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5478a80c.5070...@apache.org

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Sascha Mester
The mailinglist of Devuan is not hosted elsewhere - it's hosted on the infrastructure of another GNU/Linux Distribution. Just call dyne.org in the browser ... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:20:22 +0100, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: If you want to convince the systemd people to split that part of systemd- -as-pid1 off to a separate library, and/or to properly version that API, you should submit an appropriate patch You see, I have been an

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Would you stop using (random example) apache if it started shipping with some often-useful CGI scripts? I am pretty sure that the apache people would include them with a way to disable them just in case one does not want

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:45:29 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: There is nothing in the FUD that’s still being spread that hasn’t been entirely debunked almost a year ago in https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd I have nothing to add to what we wrote at that time. And I’m

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:30:01 +0100, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: Marc Haber: Updating of such systems has always been a pain, but this time it's going to be a gazillion times more painful. Why? (Seriously.) Because this time fixing those things is more than just minor changes

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 19:05 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: And I am also pretty sure that they would not de-implement the Common Gateway Interface just because people still like to run vulnerable Matt Wright Scripts from 2002. For many things, CGI is actually the only way to run them securely,

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de writes: Non-standard inittab entries should surely be displayed and warned about, but IMHO that's not sufficient reason to not switch the other 99.99% who never touched their inittab. In the server world, I'm pretty sure you are significantly

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: Your way of communicating is hurting people as usual. Please stop. I respectfully disagree. There was imho nothing in the quoted message that would warrant a reaction like this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Bug#771099: ITP: cakephp2 -- MVC rapid application development framework for PHP (2.x series)

2014-11-28 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Maxime Chatelle x...@rxsoft.eu schrieb: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Maxime Chatelle x...@rxsoft.eu * Package name: cakephp2 Version : 2.5.6 Upstream Author : http://cakefoundation.org/ * URL : http://cakephp.org/ * License : MIT

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:03:14PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: It's not that anybody needs to listen, but nobody is going to tell me to shut up just because I only know how the result of a job should look like without being able to do the job myself. Having a detailed discussion about how systemd

Re: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie

2014-11-28 Thread Simon Richter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Am 28.11.2014 15:55, schrieb Marco d'Itri: I have a system where the network connection is so important that the pppd is invoked via the inittab, which is a published interface of the init system and has been for decades. When an upgrade

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 04:40:50PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Hey, there are *still* bugs found because of s390 (not s390x). Uhm. s390x is 64bit BE; ppc64 and sparc64 never made it into the archive. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Philipp Kern
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:08:09PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: And this facing a mostly hostile upstream and a Fedora-Centric community. I have observed a mostly hostile Debian community in recent months. I'm not sure if this jab at Fedora is particularly warranted. Kind regards Philipp Kern

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Would you stop using (random example) apache if it started shipping with some often-useful CGI scripts? I am pretty sure that the apache people would include them with a

Re: Bug#771099: ITP: cakephp2 -- MVC rapid application development framework for PHP (2.x series)

2014-11-28 Thread Maxime Chatelle
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 08:27:51PM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: Maxime Chatelle x...@rxsoft.eu schrieb: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Maxime Chatelle x...@rxsoft.eu * Package name: cakephp2 Version : 2.5.6 Upstream Author : http://cakefoundation.org/ *

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: A few hours of reasearch later (which could have been a few minutes if just the community would have been a bit more helpful) it turned out they were right: We start kdm via an init script and sysvrc emulation, and this does actually break

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:55:42 +0100, Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:08:09PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: And this facing a mostly hostile upstream and a Fedora-Centric community. I have observed a mostly hostile Debian community in recent months. I'm not sure if this

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014, 09:28:39 schrieb Matthias Urlichs: Hi, Martin Steigerwald: Am Donnerstag, 27. November 2014, 22:30:15 schrieb Vincent Bernat: ❦ 27 novembre 2014 22:02 +0100, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de : And well, I also wonder why systemd --user

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:28:19 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Would you stop using (random example) apache if it started shipping with some often-useful CGI

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is surely possible? Much easier. Note that if you want GNOME without systemd, it required actual effort instead of doing petty jabs on mailing lists. Actual effort was

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:36:22PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is surely possible? Much easier. Note that if you want GNOME without systemd, it required actual effort

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-28 23:29 GMT+01:00 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:36:22PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is surely possible? Much easier. Note that

Re: Javascript trigger design

2014-11-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/28/2014 08:20 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote: It's been a long time I've been thinking about it, and I believe that the only way to do this, would be to use triggers. Though I have never Look at libjs-protoaculous which combines prototype and

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:28:19 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Would you stop using (random example) apache if

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same* binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well… I brought this upstream to no avail. OK, since this is a different forum, let me go over the reasons once again.

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Cameron Norman
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: And well, I also wonder why systemd --user functionality is in the *same* binary than the PID 1 stuff… but well… I brought this upstream to

Re: Thank you for the remarkable work on Jessie

2014-11-28 Thread lumin
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 00:08 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Please file a bug (severity serious): Yes, filed this bug at: #771387: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=771387 -- Regards, C.D.Luminate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Alexandre Detiste
Le vendredi 28 novembre 2014, 22:25:28 Marc Haber a écrit : We start kdm via an init script and sysvrc emulation, and this does actually break the distinction between multi-user.target and graphical.target. Hi, Here is a native kdm service I'v copied from an other distro months ago; and used

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:49:58 +0100, Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net wrote: I think he meant systemd, the PID 1 specifically here. No. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the |

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:33:08 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: A few hours of reasearch later (which could have been a few minutes if just the community would have been a bit more helpful) it turned out they were right: We start kdm

Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-28 Thread Josh Triplett
Simon Richter wrote: On 28.11.2014 09:43, Svante Signell wrote: The official name of the Debian fork is devuan: https://devuan.org It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the users). Future will tell...

Re: successful upgrade to jessie - thanks!

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Marc Haber: It's learning and understanding more than just a few bizarre new concepts. I learned. I (think I) understand. But I do not think these fancy new concepts are bizarre at all. If anything, they make my life way easier. If anything, IMHO using words like bizarre isn't exactly

Re: Javascript trigger design

2014-11-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Thorsten Glaser (2014-11-28 13:20:36) On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote: It's been a long time I've been thinking about it, and I believe that the only way to do this, would be to use triggers. Though I have never Look at libjs-protoaculous which combines prototype and

Bug#771398: ITP: ruby-redis-activesupport -- Redis store for ActiveSupport::Cache

2014-11-28 Thread Balasankar C
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Balasankar C balasank...@autistici.org * Package name: ruby-redis-activesupport Version : 4.0.0 Upstream Author : Luca Guidi m...@lucaguidi.com * URL : https://github.com/redis-store/redis-activesupport * License : Expat

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 28 novembre 2014 22:21 +0100, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de : So what? You can also use systemd without using the tools for NTP, network configuration, or the journal. Is that as easy as running current GNOME without systemd, which is surely possible? systemd-timesyncd and

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Josh Triplett Simon Richter wrote: On 28.11.2014 09:43, Svante Signell wrote: The official name of the Debian fork is devuan: https://devuan.org It will be interesting to see how many Debian Maintainers and Developers will jump the ship and join them (in addition to the

Accepted policykit-1 0.105-8 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Pitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:07:46 +0100 Source: policykit-1 Binary: policykit-1 policykit-1-doc libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-dev libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-agent-1-dev libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-backend-1-dev

Accepted https-everywhere 4.0.2-2 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:31:54 + Source: https-everywhere Binary: xul-ext-https-everywhere Architecture: source all Version: 4.0.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Mozilla Extension Maintainers

Accepted policykit-1 0.112-4 (source amd64 all) into experimental

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Pitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:15:06 +0100 Source: policykit-1 Binary: policykit-1 policykit-1-doc libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-dev libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-agent-1-dev gir1.2-polkit-1.0 Architecture: source amd64 all

Accepted https-everywhere 4.0.2-3 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:59:35 + Source: https-everywhere Binary: xul-ext-https-everywhere Architecture: source all Version: 4.0.2-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Mozilla Extension Maintainers

Accepted pgadmin3 1.20.0~rc1-1 (source amd64 all) into experimental

2014-11-28 Thread Christoph Berg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:59:17 +0100 Source: pgadmin3 Binary: pgadmin3 pgadmin3-dbg pgadmin3-data Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 1.20.0~rc1-1 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian PostgreSQL Maintainers

Accepted quicksynergy 0.9-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Jérémie Corbier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:20:20 +0100 Source: quicksynergy Binary: quicksynergy Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.9-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jérémie Corbier jcorb...@debian.org Changed-By: Jérémie Corbier

Accepted aircrack-ng 1:1.2-0~beta3-4 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 00:48:06 +0100 Source: aircrack-ng Binary: aircrack-ng Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1:1.2-0~beta3-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com Changed-By:

Accepted systemd 217-1 (source amd64) into experimental

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Pitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:53:58 +0100 Source: systemd Binary: systemd systemd-sysv libpam-systemd libsystemd0 libsystemd-dev libsystemd-login0 libsystemd-login-dev libsystemd-daemon0 libsystemd-daemon-dev libsystemd-journal0

Accepted icedtea-web 1.5.2-1 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Klose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:30:39 +0100 Source: icedtea-web Binary: icedtea-netx icedtea-plugin icedtea-netx-common icedtea-7-plugin Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 1.5.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: OpenJDK

Accepted gnome-user-share 3.14.0-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Laurent Bigonville
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:53:48 +0100 Source: gnome-user-share Binary: gnome-user-share Architecture: source amd64 Version: 3.14.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers

Accepted gnome-bluetooth 3.14.0-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Laurent Bigonville
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:42:14 +0100 Source: gnome-bluetooth Binary: gnome-bluetooth libgnome-bluetooth13 libgnome-bluetooth-dev gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 Architecture: source amd64 Version: 3.14.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency:

Accepted android-platform-system-core 21-6 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:00:09 +0100 Source: android-platform-system-core Binary: android-system-dev android-liblog android-liblog-dev android-libcutils android-libcutils-dev android-libzipfile android-libzipfile-dev Architecture:

Accepted macchanger 1.7.0-3.1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Jean-Michel Nirgal Vourgère
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:52:16 +0100 Source: macchanger Binary: macchanger Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.7.0-3.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: David Paleino da...@debian.org Changed-By: Jean-Michel Nirgal

Accepted binutils 2.24.90.20141128-1 (source all amd64) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Klose
- GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities (source) Changes: binutils (2.24.90.20141128-1) unstable; urgency=medium . * Snapshot, taken from the 2.25 branch 20141128. - gold: Fix corrupted .eh_frame section with LTO and --gc-sections. - gold: Fix PowerPC relaxation corner case

Accepted dictionaries-common 1.23.17 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Agustin Martin Domingo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 17:36:35 +0100 Source: dictionaries-common Binary: dictionaries-common dictionaries-common-dev Architecture: source all Version: 1.23.17 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Agustin Martin Domingo

Accepted cups 1.7.5-9 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-28 Thread Didier Raboud
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:44:45 +0100 Source: cups Binary: libcups2 libcupsimage2 libcupscgi1 libcupsmime1 libcupsppdc1 cups cups-core-drivers cups-daemon cups-client libcups2-dev libcupsimage2-dev libcupscgi1-dev libcupsmime1-dev

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