On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:59 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 28 April 2013 12:09, Mark Wendt wrote:
>
> > You're leaving out one extremely important factor.
> >
> > SWMBO.
>
> I have done a cost/benefit analysis and prefer the extra workshop space :-)
>
> --
> atp
>
In other words, you ain't got one.
On 28 April 2013 12:09, Mark Wendt wrote:
> You're leaving out one extremely important factor.
>
> SWMBO.
I have done a cost/benefit analysis and prefer the extra workshop space :-)
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On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:00 PM, andy pugh wrote:
>
> Indeed, it is a matter of priorities, and he knew his.
>
> I choose a house, typically, on whether it has a garage. If I was
> looking for a house now I wouldn't have bought the one I did, I would
> have been looking for more workshop space, a
On 4/27/2013 7:52 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 27 April 2013 02:56, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>
>> For the 3500 Lb. lathe, I rented a rough terrain forklift, and the
>> only one they had weighted 21,500 Lbs, and sank repeatedly in
>> my mushy back yard.
>>
> (Snip other tales of woe)
>
> So, the m
On 27 April 2013 23:22, Peter Blodow wrote:
> You have to be consequent - I used to know a guy in Vienna who poured a
> concrete basement floor, put a 4 or 5 ton, 3 meter lathe on it with a
> crane and built the rest of the house (and astronomical observatory)
> around it.
Indeed, it is a matter
You have to be consequent - I used to know a guy in Vienna who poured a
concrete basement floor, put a 4 or 5 ton, 3 meter lathe on it with a
crane and built the rest of the house (and astronomical observatory)
around it.
Peter
Am 27.04.2013 23:25, schrieb Ron Bean:
> Jon Elson writes:
>
>>
Jon Elson writes:
>If you have the room...
That's a *very* big "if" for a lot of us.
That's why the used "big iron" usually sells for less than the smaller
"toolroom" machines-- the market for them is limited to people who can
afford the space to house them.
I have access to a machin
--- On Sat, 4/27/13, Bruce Layne wrote:
> From: Bruce Layne
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] off topic opinions
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> Date: Saturday, April 27, 2013, 11:12 AM
> I own a Grizzly G1006 2HP Benchtop
> milling machine.
>
> http://
I own a Grizzly G1006 2HP Benchtop milling machine.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/2-HP-Mill-Drill/G1006
I've had it for almost 20 years. It's maybe rigid enough for a 1 HP
spindle. Lead screws instead of ball screws of course, as is the case
with all machines in this class... and not very g
andy pugh wrote:
> On 27 April 2013 02:56, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>
>> For the 3500 Lb. lathe, I rented a rough terrain forklift, and the
>> only one they had weighted 21,500 Lbs, and sank repeatedly in
>> my mushy back yard.
>>
> (Snip other tales of woe)
>
> So, the man-portable 3-in-one mac
On 27 April 2013 02:56, Jon Elson wrote:
> For the 3500 Lb. lathe, I rented a rough terrain forklift, and the
> only one they had weighted 21,500 Lbs, and sank repeatedly in
> my mushy back yard.
(Snip other tales of woe)
So, the man-portable 3-in-one machine suddenly looks like a great idea?
-
I own a Grizzly G1006 2HP Benchtop milling machine.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/2-HP-Mill-Drill/G1006
I've had it for almost 20 years. It's maybe rigid enough for a 1 HP
spindle. Lead screws instead of ball screws of course, as is the case
with all machines in this class... and not very g
Dave wrote:
> You are lucky you were able to get that out at all!
> The $150 plywood cost was cheap compared to what the heavy wrecker guys
> charge for a tug.
>
Right, it would have at least needed a truck crane if I couldn't figure
out what to do. But, it was a Saturday, and nobody would com
On 4/26/2013 9:56 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> doug metzler wrote:
>
>> That is another issue. My mill/lathe was only 500 pounds, but when it
>> arrived I had to get it off the truck myself, get it into the shop and up
>> on the bench. We used an engine cherry picker. But if you order yourself
>>
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
>
> For the 3500 Lb. lathe, I rented a rough terrain forklift, and the
> only one they had weighted 21,500 Lbs, and sank repeatedly in
> my mushy back yard.
>
For whatever reason, the boom forklifts seem to sink in a little too
readily. For my
doug metzler wrote:
> That is another issue. My mill/lathe was only 500 pounds, but when it
> arrived I had to get it off the truck myself, get it into the shop and up
> on the bench. We used an engine cherry picker. But if you order yourself
> a 3500 pound machine you're probably going to need
On Friday 26 April 2013 21:38:33 dave did opine:
> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 20:19 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 26 April 2013 20:17:22 dave did opine:
> > > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Friday 26 April 2013 14:44:38 andy pugh did opine:
> > > > > On 26
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 20:19 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 26 April 2013 20:17:22 dave did opine:
>
> > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Friday 26 April 2013 14:44:38 andy pugh did opine:
> > > > On 26 April 2013 16:42, wrote:
> > > > > You have saved me a
On Friday 26 April 2013 20:17:22 dave did opine:
> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 26 April 2013 14:44:38 andy pugh did opine:
> > > On 26 April 2013 16:42, wrote:
> > > > You have saved me a lot of money, headaches and possible
> > > > alcoholism I need to r
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 19:17 -0400, Dave wrote:
> If you live in the country, most larger farm tractors with front end
> loaders can do 2000+ lbs without any problems. Many backhoe front end
> loaders can pickup more than 4000 lbs.
>
> The contract rental places also rent small cranes, bobcats, a
If you live in the country, most larger farm tractors with front end
loaders can do 2000+ lbs without any problems. Many backhoe front end
loaders can pickup more than 4000 lbs.
The contract rental places also rent small cranes, bobcats, and tractors
with loaders. Most of them also rent Hilman
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 26 April 2013 14:44:38 andy pugh did opine:
>
> > On 26 April 2013 16:42, wrote:
> > > You have saved me a lot of money, headaches and possible alcoholism
> > > I need to rethink my hobbies to fit my space, maybe a nice quilting
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 10:42 -0500, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, Rafael Skodlar wrote:
>
> > On 04/26/2013 06:11 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Is anyone using http://www.grizzly.com/products/Combo-Lathe-Mill/G9729 or
> >> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=328-1310&P
On 26 April 2013 22:03, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> Both lathes had decent quality ball bearings on the spindle and were capable
> of putting a fine finish on work when good cutters were used.
This is a very good point. Every time I use the Motor Club's
Colchester Student I start to hate my lathe.
Here is a link to another machine I was looking at before I purchased the
Atlas lathe & Jet mill:
www.shoptask.com
They put a lot of effort into stiffening the machine, but it still has all
of the other shortcomings of a 3 in 1.
--J. Ray Mitchell Jr.
jrmitche...@gmail.com
(818)324-7573
“Truth i
--- On Fri, 4/26/13, Jon Elson wrote:
> From: Jon Elson
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] off topic opinions
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013, 10:56 AM
> kqt4a...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> > I appreciate all of the feedback
&g
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:40:05 +0100, you wrote:
>On 26 April 2013 16:42, wrote:
>
>> You have saved me a lot of money, headaches and possible alcoholism
>> I need to rethink my hobbies to fit my space, maybe a nice quilting frame
>
>The thing is, that a lot of these machines look the same, but ar
On Friday 26 April 2013 14:44:38 andy pugh did opine:
> On 26 April 2013 16:42, wrote:
> > You have saved me a lot of money, headaches and possible alcoholism
> > I need to rethink my hobbies to fit my space, maybe a nice quilting
> > frame
>
> The thing is, that a lot of these machines look th
On Friday 26 April 2013 14:39:44 kqt4a...@gmail.com did opine:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, Rafael Skodlar wrote:
> > On 04/26/2013 06:11 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Is anyone using
> >> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Combo-Lathe-Mill/G9729 or
> >> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=328-13
On 26 April 2013 16:42, wrote:
> You have saved me a lot of money, headaches and possible alcoholism
> I need to rethink my hobbies to fit my space, maybe a nice quilting frame
The thing is, that a lot of these machines look the same, but are
built to different standards.
The forerunner of most
>
> On the other hand, I have a 1500 Lb mill and a 3500 Lb lathe (not CNC -
yet)
> so take my words with a grain of salt.
>
That is another issue. My mill/lathe was only 500 pounds, but when it
arrived I had to get it off the truck myself, get it into the shop and up
on the bench. We used an eng
kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
> I appreciate all of the feedback
> You have saved me a lot of money, headaches and possible alcoholism
> I need to rethink my hobbies to fit my space, maybe a nice quilting frame
>
There are small machines that work acceptably. They still have limitations,
but trying
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013, Rafael Skodlar wrote:
> On 04/26/2013 06:11 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Is anyone using http://www.grizzly.com/products/Combo-Lathe-Mill/G9729 or
>> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=328-1310&PMPXNO=25221739&PARTPG=INLMK3
>> They appear to be the same machine exce
On 04/26/2013 06:11 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is anyone using http://www.grizzly.com/products/Combo-Lathe-Mill/G9729 or
> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=328-1310&PMPXNO=25221739&PARTPG=INLMK3
> They appear to be the same machine except the enco is higher priced
> How is the quality
Is anyone using http://www.grizzly.com/products/Combo-Lathe-Mill/G9729 or
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=328-1310&PMPXNO=25221739&PARTPG=INLMK3
They appear to be the same machine except the enco is higher priced
How is the quality and company support
Richard
---
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 21:27:13 +0100, you wrote:
>On 25 April 2013 20:23, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>
>> Look at the ones with the mill column attached to the middle rear of the bed.
>
>I have one of those. Given the choice I would swap it for the Smithy.
>
>The Sieg lathe bed/saddle is a horrible mill
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:00:21 +0100, you wrote:
>I am not convinced that _any_ new machine tools at the $2000 level are
>worth buying. I would always prefer to spend the same money on
>something second-hand that has lived an easy life.
>There was one of these on eBay (UK) recently.
>http://www.lat
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013, andy pugh wrote:
> On 25 April 2013 20:23, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>
>> Look at the ones with the mill column attached to the middle rear of the bed.
>
> I have one of those. Given the choice I would swap it for the Smithy.
>
> The Sieg lathe bed/saddle is a horrible milling ta
On 25 April 2013 20:23, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> Look at the ones with the mill column attached to the middle rear of the bed.
I have one of those. Given the choice I would swap it for the Smithy.
The Sieg lathe bed/saddle is a horrible milling table, and the column
twists torsionally. I can sla
I recall that there is one guy that set up a very well written blog/website
discussing his shop and the purchase, initial set up, and various uses of
his own 3 in 1 tool.
Perhaps someone here will recall the site I mention. For the life of me I
cannot recall the website and its long lost to my co
--- On Thu, 4/25/13, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the many good opinions but I am going to be
> squeezed to fit in something with a footprint as small as
> the smithy
> I have looked several times at the X2/X3's but I have no
> room for a separate lathe
> Is there a better 3-in-1 than t
>There was one of these on eBay (UK) recently.
>http://www.lathes.co.uk/meyerburger/index.html
I'd like to see the Chinese copy *that* one!
--
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Andy, don't get me wrong- once I made a setup for gear cutting and made
a whole drawer full of change gears for the machine itself, from 24 to
240 teeth, in two days or so. Once the setup is done (gasp!) and the
machine running, it has tremendous precision, no play in any spindle or
screw and a
On 25 April 2013 14:39, wrote:
> Thanks for the many good opinions but I am going to be squeezed to fit in
> something with a footprint as small as the smithy
> I have looked several times at the X2/X3's but I have no room for a separate
> lathe
> Is there a better 3-in-1 than the smithy in th
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013, Peter Blodow wrote:
> All these all in one machines have the problem of unproductive times. I
> own a small table top machine (google for Hommel UWG2) which is capable
> of 1/100 mm precision easiliy, maybe better, but it takes hours
> (literally!) to convert it from turning t
On 25 April 2013 07:37, Peter Blodow wrote:
> All these all in one machines have the problem of unproductive times. I
> own a small table top machine (google for Hommel UWG2)
I would really like one of those, having read
http://www.lathes.co.uk/hommel/
But I can't imagine using it much, for the r
All these all in one machines have the problem of unproductive times. I
own a small table top machine (google for Hommel UWG2) which is capable
of 1/100 mm precision easiliy, maybe better, but it takes hours
(literally!) to convert it from turning to milling, tapping etc. and
vice versa, so I d
kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am lookin at http://www.smithy.com/midas/pricing/xl
> I am a machinist virgin so it will be my first
> It will be strickly for hobby and entertainment
> Is there anyone with an opinion :)
>
>
Arrgh! A 3-in-1 machine. We have one at work, it is a very mediocre
lath
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:14:15 +0100, you wrote:
>On 24 April 2013 18:35, wrote:
>> I am lookin at http://www.smithy.com/midas/pricing/xl
>> I am a machinist virgin so it will be my first
>> It will be strickly for hobby and entertainment
>> Is there anyone with an opinion :)
All the ones I've se
On 24 April 2013 18:35, wrote:
> I am lookin at http://www.smithy.com/midas/pricing/xl
> I am a machinist virgin so it will be my first
> It will be strickly for hobby and entertainment
> Is there anyone with an opinion :)
It looks like a much better basic machine than mine, and I have done
some
I think the distance from the milling head to the lathe chuck is too
short. You're going to run into trouble the first time you try to machine
a part of any size, and taking the lathe chuck off is an option but it's a
pain in the a$$.
Then I looked at the Midas
http://www.smithy.com/midas
which
I looked into Smithy machines a couple of years ago, and decided that there
was not enough rigidity in the machine for what I wanted to do.
If you want to do very light, hobby work, the Smithy might be good enough.
I mentor a high school robotics team, so I wanted machines big & heavy
enough to st
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