Hello all,
I have been trying to develop a better working
method when it comes to inputing orchestral scores. I have been using lots of
keyboard shortcuts and macros (thanks to Tobias' tools) and whatever can make
the job easier...
I am, however, still unsure about what is the best
layout
In a message dated 12/07/2002 02:51:22 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
-Does one draw up some sort of generic "boilerplate" contract specifying
the number of performances permitted by the rental fee?
When I have rented music, usually there has been no limit on the number of
I've been using Finale since version 1.0 - when it was Mac only - one
of the main reasons I went Mac. For that matter, Quicken when it was
Apple II and Mac (no PC), AOL when it was only a Mac community,
PageMaker when it was Mac or nothing. All these great programs (okay, maybe
not AOL) that
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Just be careful with those characters. Some applications crash when trying
to open files other than alphanumeric characters; it's a common bug in
applications whose heritage dates from 8.3 filenames.
Thanks for the tip, but I my use of long filenames is almost
On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 06:05 PM, John Bell wrote:
OK, I must have missed the news on this one. But Queen
Elizabeth II is *still* listed as chief of state. I got a
minor surprise to read that Canada's chief of state is still
HRH (represented by Governor General Adrienne Clarkson).
I send this back to the list, as I think this is so far the best informed
answer.
On 12.07.2002 3:43 Uhr, Steven Powell wrote
This varies a little:
German publishers generally put the dot halfway between the center of the
notehead and the stem
How about dots on beamed eighths?
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]
I read his posts as an explanation of some of the things Sibelius
does well, posted here as a way of pointing out what Finale might do
better.
The rush to pounce mystifies me -- it's as if people felt some kind
of personal investment in Finale that
Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 11:50 PM 07/11/02, Jari Williamsson wrote:
[answering Johannes Gebauer]
Where does a staccato dot on the stem side go exactly: centered over the
stem or centered over the notehead? Is there a convention for this or is
this up to the engraver?
Centered over the
Both rental and purchase have their good points and their bad points:
Sale leaves the music in the hands of the performers so that any future
performance fees you get will be filtered through a P.R.O. (which will
take its fee!) if you are a member, or will be totally nonexistent if
you aren't
Philip Aker wrote:
On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 04:48 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
I hope Coda has finally decided to stop discriminating against it's
long time Macintosh user base in this regard.
We Windows users had to slog through *four* versions of Finale to get
one that
[If I've remember the address right, this is cc to Coda tech support. Those
who use reply to all might want to remove them from any replies.]
At 11:18 PM 07/09/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
BTW, I would guess that now is a good time to send in feature requests to
Coda, perhaps the feature set for
Orchestral instrumental parts are not always printed on separate staves,
so perhaps you need to rethink your modus operandi.
Often Flutes 1 and 2 are on the same staff on a single part, same with
most woodwind and brass parts. So the horn parts are often Horn I/II
and III/IV in newer works
In a message dated 12/07/2002 12:19:42 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So the horn parts are often Horn I/II
and III/IV in newer works and Horn I/III and II/IV in older works
As a horn player may a make a heartfelt plea that you DO NOT put 1st and 3rd horn on the same page. (I
hello list,
i need to solve something closely related to this thread.
i would put two parts in a single staff, say, flutes I/II. but some passages
are too way polyphonic and complex, so sharing the same staff would result
in a messy layout. i know i can write those parts in two different
On 11 Jul 2002, at 20:56, Philip Aker wrote:
FinWin 2003 is compatible with WindowsXP but FinMac 2003 will
not be with MacOS X. Yet MacOS X was released well before
copycat XP.
A ridiculous comparison, to say the least.
WinXP is not a new API, nor a completely new OS architecture. It is a
At 12:35 AM 7/12/02 -0800, Mark D. Lew wrote:
Is there a way I can remove the My Computer and Neighborhood Network
icons from the Desktop. I figured out how to get rid of My Documents,
even though I could trash it directly, but the same trick isn't working for
these other two.
Search for a
At 11:23 PM 7/11/02 -0700, Alain Mayrand wrote:
has an unusual format since it has four horn lines, 3
trumpet and trombone lines and, well, you get the picture.
Yes. This is one of the great failures of all notation programs ... someone
correct me if I'm wrong and this has changed, but I do not
On 12 Jul 2002, at 6:38, David H. Bailey wrote:
What DOES show clearly is that some people find Sibelius' method of
making the user work easier to deal with, while others find Finale's
method of making the user work. And the reverse is true, as witness
the large number of faithful, mostly
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 04:37 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote:
The point is that just like everyone else, Coda has known
since late 1996 that changes were coming and since late 1997,
opportunity to stage in a Carbon port.
What if MaxOSX (or Carbon) _didn't_ work in real-life
Awesome post Mark,
Easily the longest on topic post ever made to this list since
I've been on it. I will have to consider it over the weekend.
Best regards,
Philip
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 05:01 AM, Mark D. Lew wrote:
[If I've remember the address right, this is cc to Coda tech
On 12 Jul 2002, at 7:19, David H. Bailey wrote:
You can at least rename them so it seems a lot less kindergarten-ish.
They do both have to remain on the desktop, but you can put your
bottom row of icons with their names just hidden by the toolbar. I put
the ones I never use but can't get rid
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 06:15 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
FinWin 2003 is compatible with WindowsXP but FinMac 2003 will
not be with MacOS X. Yet MacOS X was released well before
copycat XP.
A ridiculous comparison, to say the least.
Right now, I think the ridiculousness is coming
At 9:57 AM -0300 7/12/02, M. Perticone wrote:
hello list,
i need to solve something closely related to this thread.
i would put two parts in a single staff, say, flutes I/II. but some passages
are too way polyphonic and complex, so sharing the same staff would result
in a messy layout. i know i
At 7:15 AM -0400 7/12/02, David H. Bailey wrote:
Orchestral instrumental parts are not always printed on separate
staves, so perhaps you need to rethink your modus operandi.
Often Flutes 1 and 2 are on the same staff on a single part, same
with most woodwind and brass parts. So the horn parts
At 9:16 AM -0400 7/12/02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 11:23 PM 7/11/02 -0700, Alain Mayrand wrote:
has an unusual format since it has four horn lines, 3
trumpet and trombone lines and, well, you get the picture.
Yes. This is one of the great failures of all notation programs ... someone
Having read a lot of posts on this now, I feel a lot of people just confuse
UI questions with technical stuff. I don't see why much of Finale's storing
and handling of expressions and metatools has to be changed at all, instead
I would suggest that a lot of improvement could be implemented by
I know that I'm not alone in this. . .
From a clarinet player's perspective, in a fast moving, difficult piece with
a lot of detail (rhythmic, dynamic, etc.), it is darned near impossible to
read the second part when BOTH the first and second clarinet parts are on
one staff. A third apart in the
Date: 12 Jul 2002 02:03:30 -0500
From: Harold Steinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dennis, if it's comforting to you, I feel recent versions of Finale
for Mac have become a Windoze-port stepchild.
Amen.
Basically, a company that understands the fact that the Mac UI is more
than the Windows UI with an
On 12.07.2002 17:36 Uhr, Peter Castine wrote
Even OS X, the biggest OS change
in the last 18 years, still lets a number of non-updated apps run. Shame
about the audio MIDI, though.
That is strictly speaking not correct. Anything that is not Carbon (ie
Classic apps not updated for OS X) will
At 05:36 PM 7/12/02 +0200, Peter Castine wrote:
Windoze file names never contain spaces? Windoze Web Weenies never write
broken URIs?
I don't know, because the only broken URLs I've encountered have been
Mac-originated.
Of course that's not even close to definitive. But it might be for a few
This whole subject of parts extraction has interested me greatly, and
I can't resist throwing my 2 cents in.
My view is that:
* Scores should be as compact as possible, so that they don't have
to be printed in ant-sized type for the conductor to try to read. In
other words, I pair winds on
At 10:30 AM 7/12/02 -0400, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
Oo, TG Tools will solve all your problems.
I read the documentation for this feature, and it still doesn't actually
solve the issue of tagging a part as a part -- which is, I suppose, an
ambiguity deep inside Finale that the plugin can't
At 09:38 AM 7/12/02 -0700, Linda Worsley wrote:
Sure, it would be great if the machines could read our minds or
automatically, somehow, understand that the flutes 1 and 2 part
should be made into two individual pages, with the correct instrument
label, all the a2s and solos etc. intact,
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You can basically do the same thing with OS 8/9. Print to File, and in
the Save as File panel select Acrobat PDF.
We're talking here about making a PDF without the help of an Adobe product
directly from the OS. Aren't we? Of course it is possible with the help of
ghostscript or distiller but
Once the part is optimized, you can edit the staff name for individual
staves and not affect the others. Or is that group names? I can't
remember, but you will be able to change the labels so they are correct.
M. Perticone wrote:
hello list,
i need to solve something closely related
In a message dated 12/07/2002 19:40:21 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I will bow to your experience about pairing of parts on a page, but
there is a terrible flaw in your logic here:
Hi David,
I stand by my plea that if parts MUST be paired, then it should be 12, 34 but better
Dennis, it sounds like we have very similar goals for what we want out of
Finale. For me, the part feature is absolutely solved by the TGTools
Smart Explosion and Smart Distribution features.
Perhaps it's improved. I just tried it -- the module of v1.88 does work in
F2K3. But there seems
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:58:46 +0200
From: Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12.07.2002 17:36 Uhr, Peter Castine wrote
Even OS X, the biggest OS change
in the last 18 years, still lets a number of non-updated apps run. Shame
about the audio MIDI, though.
That is strictly speaking not
At 12:13 PM 7/12/02 -0700, Lee Actor wrote:
The way I handle this is to make a group out of all staves (divisi, soli,
etc.) pertaining to a single part, while instrument changes and the like are
handled by staff styles. I think you may already have the tools to
accomplish what you want.
Yes,
On 12.07.2002 21:20 Uhr, Peter Castine wrote
Even OS X, the biggest OS change
in the last 18 years, still lets a number of non-updated apps run. Shame
about the audio MIDI, though.
That is strictly speaking not correct. Anything that is not Carbon (ie
Classic apps not updated for OS X)
Individual parts for each player just makes sense
because it avoids confusion completely.
This is why I have been recently trying to lay out
the score with individual staves for each part. This makes extracting the parts
a breeze, anddoing this ensures that I have no wrong missing notes in
At 4:47 PM 07/12/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Having read a lot of posts on this now, I feel a lot of people just confuse
UI questions with technical stuff. I don't see why much of Finale's storing
and handling of expressions and metatools has to be changed at all, instead
I would suggest that a
At 9:25 AM 07/12/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
Of course, it would all depend on how it was implemented, as there
are any number of pitfalls to deal with. But just because it's
possible to do it *wrong* does not mean it's impossible to do it
*right*. So much of the objection to the mere suggestion
At 7:25 AM 07/12/02, David H. Bailey wrote:
Well, the editor has the option of sending the proof back to the
engraver and saying Change this while the engraver does not have the
option of overriding the editor. So if something we feel to be
misguided ends up in the score, I would fault the
At 01:38 PM 7/12/02 -0800, Mark D. Lew wrote:
My current problem is that something is turning the auto-arrange back on.
I think maybe it's related to a system freeze up I'm getting from one of
my other applications. It seems like it's only after I reboot that the
icons have re-aligned
How do I add a system separator to a score which has more than one
system per page? I am using winfin 2K2.
Thanks for the input.
Tom
There is a plug-in for this purpose from Jari Williamson. It is called JW
score system divider. You can find it on Jari's site : www.finaletips.nu
Eric
How do I add a system separator to a score which has more than one
system per page? I am using winfin 2K2.
Thanks for the input.
Tom
Put them in as page-attached text blocks or score-only, bottom-staff
only Measure Expressions. Use the two-stroke tremolo character at
97-108 pts., more or
Individual parts for each player just makes sense because it avoids confusion
completely.
This is why I have been recently trying to lay out the score with individual
staves for each part. This makes extracting the parts a breeze, and doing this
ensures that I have no wrong missing notes
2) Make sure that the play continuous data is checked in the
playback preferences.
That's doubtless it, as I have that disabled by default.
Can you set volume levels from within the mixer, real or virtual?
This may be the best way to go for instrument templates that you use
a lot.
What
I am drafting a wish list to be send to Coda very soon. Perhaps some of you
will have additions? Please keep it realistic, though, I don't think wishes
that require a complete rework of Finale will have much chance anyway.
Here is what I have so far:
Bugs and problems to be fixed:
- Fix grace
Chuck,
You suggested the Newport font for falls (articulation). Which
character were you suggesting? The backslash? I can't find a curved
line in the set, like a thick arc drawn from 1 o'clock to 3 o'clock.
Thanks
Christopher
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At 1:38 PM -0800 7/12/02, Mark D. Lew wrote:
Anyway, what happens to expressions that are in a music font? If I've got
an expression which is the pedal marking, it's going to show up on the list
under opt-shift-8?? That's crazy. I want to list it as something like
Ped. Users who are less
On 12.07.2002 22:23 Uhr, Tom Flood wrote
How do I add a system separator to a score which has more than one
system per page? I am using winfin 2K2.
Thanks for the input.
Get Jari's plugin for that task, I think it is called JW System Divider, and
a link can be found at
On 12 Jul 2002, at 17:36, Peter Castine wrote:
Apple's track record on backwards compatibility is actually, IMHO, pretty
good. I've still got a couple of dozen little apps that are more than 10
years old and run on my current set up. Even OS X, the biggest OS change
in the last 18 years,
On 12 Jul 2002, at 7:16, Philip Aker wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 06:15 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
WinXP is not a new API, nor a completely new OS architecture.
It is a minor upgrade to Windows 2000, a significant upgrade to
NT 4.
If you read my reply to Jari Williamsson on
At 11:33 PM +0200 7/12/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I am drafting a wish list to be send to Coda very soon. Perhaps some of you
will have additions? Please keep it realistic, though, I don't think wishes
that require a complete rework of Finale will have much chance anyway.
Here is what I have so
On 12.07.2002 23:38 Uhr, Mark D. Lew wrote
Maybe I'm misunderstanding again, but it sounds like one thing where you
and I differ is that I want every item on the list (whether it's the
expression itself or the expression *assignment*, which I was equating with
metatools) to be keyed off the
On 12.07.2002 23:38 Uhr, Mark D. Lew wrote
Anyway, what happens to expressions that are in a music font? If I've got
an expression which is the pedal marking, it's going to show up on the list
under opt-shift-8?? That's crazy. I want to list it as something like
Ped. Users who are less
Johannes Gebauer writes:
I am drafting a wish list to be send to Coda very soon. Perhaps some of you
will have additions?
Just to clarify a bit: If others have additions or want to vote for the same
feature request as you're sending in, those persons should also send the
request to Coda
On 12.07.2002 23:53 Uhr, Jari Williamsson wrote
Johannes Gebauer writes:
I am drafting a wish list to be send to Coda very soon. Perhaps some of you
will have additions?
Just to clarify a bit: If others have additions or want to vote for the same
feature request as you're sending in,
As either an expression or an articulation.
Tom Flood wrote:
How do I add a system separator to a score which has more than one
system per page? I am using winfin 2K2.
Thanks for the input.
Tom
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...
I'm convinced the whole idiotic notion of combining 1/3 v. 2/4 arose
from a generation of composition and theory teachers being guided by an
error in Walter Piston's orchestration book. Every time I've challenged
the practice, it seems that is the source that is thrown back at me.
Piston
...
I'm only discussing an option that I think would improve handling
significantly, making it more logical and in keeping with how the music
progresses in a performance situation.
Such an option would define a new Finale level to be added to groups,
staves, layers, and voices that
At 11:33 pm +0200 12.07.2002, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Feature additions:
- allow clef changes to appear after the clef/key/meter area at the
beginning of a system, including in the very first measure of a file
- better entry method for expressions (ie type into score)
- autoplacing expressions
-
Here are some ideas off the top of my head that I would like to see Finale,
Sibelius, another notation program, or a clever plug-in developer (hint,
hint) implement:
1. Linkage between scores and extracted parts. If I update one, the other
should be updated automatically. Ideally, extracted
Things I've been thinking about and compiling over the last couple of months
(in no particular order)
EXPRESSION TOOL - Begin Playback remembers previous choice (in a similar
fashion to this staff only), i.e. will still be set to position in
measure if chosen.
Also, a no playback effect
At 09:28 am +0900 13.07.2002, Richard Walker wrote:
2. Intelligent chord explosion. Currently, if you want to voice sections
without switching from staff to staff, you have to create another staff,
input your chords, articulations, and dynamics, and then explode them onto
the real staves (or have
thanks mr. bailey. i'm currently doing it as you suggest. but somehow i
thought there would be a better way, less in a work-around manner.
thanks again,
marcelo
- Original Message -
From: David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: M. Perticone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
At 09:28 am +0900 13.07.2002, Richard Walker wrote:
6. Shortcuts for common transpositions. Sibelius does this very well.
Shift-up arrow transposes up an octave, shift-down arrow goes down an
octave. Need a coupling in diatonic thirds? Press shift-3 (main keyboard).
Fourths? Press shift-4.
You
Did you get my message about staff styles? They give a much easier
solution than editing optimises staff names.
Christopher
At 10:28 PM -0300 7/12/02, M. Perticone wrote:
thanks mr. bailey. i'm currently doing it as you suggest. but somehow i
thought there would be a better way, less in a
At 9:28 AM +0900 7/13/02, Richard Walker wrote:
Here are some ideas off the top of my head that I would like to see Finale,
Sibelius, another notation program, or a clever plug-in developer (hint,
hint) implement:
1. Linkage between scores and extracted parts. If I update one, the other
should
I am drafting a wish list to be send to Coda very soon. Perhaps some of
you
will have additions? Please keep it realistic, though, I don't think
wishes
that require a complete rework of Finale will have much chance anyway.
Maybe not realistic right away, but thinking toward reworked
At 5:31 PM -0400 7/12/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
Chuck,
You suggested the Newport font for falls (articulation). Which
character were you suggesting? The backslash? I can't find a curved
line in the set, like a thick arc drawn from 1 o'clock to 3 o'clock.
Thanks
Christopher
At 4:23 PM 07/12/02, Tom Flood wrote:
How do I add a system separator to a score which has more than one
system per page? I am using winfin 2K2.
I usually enter them as measure expressions attached to the first measure
of each system. I've never had so many that it's a big deal to put them in
At 12:02 AM 07/13/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
[answering Christopher BJ Smith]
How about staff lists are remembered when using measure-attached
expression metatools? Or at least the staff list dialogue box could
open up, instead of blindly attaching metatool to ALL staves.
Yes I think this
At 5:45 PM 07/12/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
Yes, this has been an issue for Jazzfont users who want to type
chords into score. The nicely stacked 7(#11b13#9) chord suffix shows
up as a single character, and I am darned if I can remember which one
it is! THere are 80 or so pre-aligned stacks
At 11:51 PM 07/12/02, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I think we have to be realistic here: I doubt very much that Coda is going
to change the way expressions work in such a fundamental way that they are
going to give expressions names that are separate from the actual text. I
don't object to the
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