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that (as I don't; what was wrong with Documents as a folder name:?), or
how you move your default program installation folder to a different
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, controlled by
any OS or user environment setting.
I suspect that things are different in OS X in terms of configurability.
If they are not, then it is simply poor system design.
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should include all
fonts in PostScript and EPS files generated by her applications
even if she doesn't have a PostScript printer. That's a huge
problem with OSes from Redmond WA. It's not a problem with MacOS.
I knew that the discussion would descend into platform bashing.
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On 25 Apr 2002, at 23:47, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 25.04.2002 22:51 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
PS is simply irrelevant to me and certainly to the vast majority of
Windows users.
Well, it is certainly not irrelevant if you ever have to give something to a
professional printing
, Johannes, this was what got you in trouble with your
Henle template, that they admit certain things in private and that they
do not speak of in public.
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On 29 Apr 2002, at 22:02, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 29.04.2002 19:59 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
On 29 Apr 2002, at 18:26, Jari Williamsson wrote:
Johannes Gebauer writes:
Whether those parts are or will ever be available I have no idea. The score
certainly will be. I did
ISP
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. And it wouldn't surprise
me if it didn't take a major revision of the file format to make it
possible (if the file format isn't designed for extensions in the first
place, it's usually very hard to do this kind of thing).
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really
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for developers and those not using SQL Server were
caused by the architectural changes necessitated by the goal of making
Access a better SQL Server client (specifically, decoupling Access the
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it all the time, but
people who badmouth Win95 really don't know what they are talking about.
Properly cared for, it runs like a champ.
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On 21 Jun 2002, at 10:06, Jari Williamsson wrote:
David W. Fenton writes:
I really do like Win2K, so I'll be happy to use it all the time, but
people who badmouth Win95 really don't know what they are talking about.
* Compiling big projects on Borland C++ Builder can easily freeze
the old Windows directory and
then run all the applications in turn to see which ones need to be
reinstalled. The programs you don't use you'll never need to install, or
you can wait until you need them to install them.
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On 23 Jun 2002, at 6:43, Michael Edwards wrote:
[David W. Fenton:]
As to Win95 crashing, well, what do you mean?
Well, different things on different occasions. Sometimes WordPad or
Outlook Express or (most of all) Internet Explorer crashes (illegal operation
message). Internet
of
the same style.
Of course, all of his contemporaries had that advantage, too, and Mozart
was still as good a composer as a child as most adults, and I need not
say more about his adult compositions.
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On 24 Jun 2002, at 14:47, Stokes, Randy wrote:
The arguments usually presented for government support of the arts can just
as well be applied to government support of religion.
Er, aside from some minor little details in the US Constitution, I guess
you're right.
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be *administered* via the
web, but there's nothing whatsoever about its functions and output that
is biased towards people who read email with browser-based clients.
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that might help?
I was taught pass the golden butter.
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On 30 Jun 2002, at 21:37, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Sunday, June 30, 2002, at 09:18 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 1 Jul 2002, at 1:57, John Bell wrote:
My son is learning a piano piece in which he is experiencing some
difficulty with a passage that has 3 in RH against 4 in LH. His
On 27 Jun 2002, at 13:12, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 12:47 PM 06/27/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
What I need is advice on
how to help her export the musical examples to EPS files that will embed
in MS Word 2000 documents that can be sent to the printer and be portable.
I'm sure you
of installations of Word97 on Win2K.
If you run as an administrative user, though, it won't be a problem
for Word97.
But you will certainly be opening yourself up to a whole host of
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On 2 Jul 2002, at 21:54, David W. Fenton wrote:
[a very snippy response that he never should have posted]
I don't know how that message got recycled again, but it was actually
from June 27th, and I thought it was a new response.
Pardon me for that -- I sent it before I realized what was going
On 4 Jul 2002, at 12:48, Rocky Road wrote:
And so it came to pass that David W. Fenton spake:
At 12:47 PM 06/27/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
What I need is advice on
how to help her export the musical examples to EPS files that will embed
in MS Word 2000 documents that can be sent
know the Finale PS fonts are installed on
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On 4 Jul 2002, at 13:04, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 12:10 PM 7/4/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
the PostScript that Finale produces being
non-portable unless you do special tweaks. I assumed that the problems
with the PS export would also be present in the EPS production (perhaps
On 4 Jul 2002, at 14:32, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 12:10 PM 07/04/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
The platform is PC for Finale and Word, where the documents to go to the
PROFESSIONAL GRAPHIC DESIGNER are produced.
Professional Graphic Designers work just as happily with TIFF as with EPS
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On 5 Jul 2002, at 4:32, Philip Aker wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 10:03 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
[...]
Well, PDF requires the purchase of something to produce the PDF files.
You might want to check out GhostScript or possibly GhostView if
it is available for Windows. Works
that isn't half bad, actually. The information about
handling the full-page EPS files in the layout program is crucial -- it
was something I didn't know (though it's logical that it would work that
way).
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On 5 Jul 2002, at 12:11, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 11:50 AM -0400 7/05/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
I'm having problems with the basic music fonts not printing out. The
problem is clearly that the fonts are *not* being saved in the EPS file,
because when I SAVE AS EPS, the fonts get
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On 5 Jul 2002, at 18:20, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 05.07.2002 17:50 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
I'm having problems with the basic music fonts not printing out. The
problem is clearly that the fonts are *not* being saved in the EPS file,
because when I SAVE AS EPS, the fonts get
sophistication of Finale vs. Sibelius.
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On 9 Jul 2002, at 14:55, Robert Patterson wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote
But who would waste a metatool on pizzicato/arco, when you'd need 1 pizz
and an arco for each of the string patches you had in use (assuming they
aren't all orchestral)?
Me, for one. As I said, I don't worry too
*must* get better or Finale will lose a
lot of the people who don't need the massive flexibility that Finale
offers.
Indeed, from what I've seen about Sibelius in its present form, if I were
starting my project now, it would probably have been the best choice.
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On 9 Jul 2002, at 23:10, Philip Aker wrote:
On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 05:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
And in the expression list, there's no way to tell the
difference between arco (violin), arco (viola), arco
(cello) and arco (bass).
That is only true in prehistoric versions
benefit from.
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a crescendo should intuitively have an effect on playback,
by default.
Yes, the effect should be highly configurable for the user interested in
tweaking playback.
But, nonetheless, such clear visual data ought to be interpreted during
the playback.
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On 9 Jul 2002, at 20:50, Robert Patterson wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
quadrupling the number of metatool keys
Gracious. I just can't let this go by. Occasionally I have gone back to
Fin97 to avoid re-editing an old doc. It is the SLAG MINES! (Single
undo, lotsa bugs that have since
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like pouncing to me, even if made in the spirit of open discussion
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flawlessly in Win95).
MS no longer promises compatibility with older programs, but so far, I
have no reports of problems from any of my clients who have a need to run
the older programs.
Microsoft doesn't get the credit they deserve for this.
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On 12 Jul 2002, at 7:16, Philip Aker wrote:
On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 06:15 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
WinXP is not a new API, nor a completely new OS architecture.
It is a minor upgrade to Windows 2000, a significant upgrade to
NT 4.
If you read my reply to Jari Williamsson
On 12 Jul 2002, at 13:38, Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 9:46 AM 07/12/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
[...] I also think the display only attribute should be one of
things you could override on individual expressions. I still think an
expression should be definable as display only, but it would be nice
) and of all
of his work in tonal harmony. He was one of the finest theorists of tonal
harmony there ever was, and he had an unequalled grasp of the subtleties
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clue what you mean here.
For it to be useful to Coda, you have to give them examples of which
prompts you consider unnecessary and why they are unnecessary.
And one man's unnecessary is another man's essential.
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However, I see no utility in this whatsoever, to be frank.
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On 14 Jul 2002, at 3:37, Jón Kristinn Cortez wrote:
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On 13 Jul 2002, at 10:58, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Meanwhile, here are my requests:
--Eliminate unnecessary prompts to save.
This is the kind of request that makes
On 13 Jul 2002, at 23:32, Don Hart wrote:
on 7/13/02 10:12 PM, David W. Fenton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--Eliminate unnecessary prompts to save.
This is the kind of request that makes computer programmers scream.
How the hell could Coda know what you consider to be unnecessary
a
working version of Finale. I do not know the technical details there, but
Coda surely does, and if they decided that they couldn't do in the
fashion that you think they should have, well, it's their decision and
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On 14 Jul 2002, at 22:24, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 06:59 PM 7/14/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
The GM specification has patch 46 for pizzicato strings. I see nothing
defective or inadequate in the default interpretation for typing pizz
into the scoring being a switch to that patch
, there is little to say about this from your point of view. I
assure you it does not work as it should.
My only issue here is bug reporting.
A proper description of the bug would have made all my posts on the
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in another discussion.
Isn't it the case that Ctrl + the accidental does this already? I've used
that forever, and it works fine so far as I can see.
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adding a few bits to store the shift state, then
obviously it would work, so I assume that's what you mean.
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score types.
Notation is a tool, a tool for memory, a tool for revealing
relationships, a tool for conveying a musical conception (both to other
people and to the original composer!). Given that we are all individuals,
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that if some attention is not paid to the issue soon, Finale will
get a reputation as being hard to learn/use.
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, as opposed to the
hundreds of adjustments a live performer will make in each moment of
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On 17 Jul 2002, at 13:33, Robert Patterson wrote:
On Wed, 17 July 2002, David W. Fenton wrote
If it's actually the ASCII code, then it wouldn't be possible.
Eh? 'A' and 'a' and ctrl-a all have different, well-defined ascii codes between
0 and 127. This is computer text 101. No need
read, has advocated
anything of the sort.
What set you off was all in the baggage you brought to the discussion.
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On 18 Jul 2002, at 0:13, Philip Aker wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 06:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Please, give me a reference somewhere on the web for the ASCII
codes for Ctrl-a-z and Ctrl-A-Z. Ctrl-0-9 is optional.
And I mean *ASCII* codes, not ANSI or keyboard scan
On 17 Jul 2002, at 18:50, Robert Patterson wrote:
On Wed, 17 July 2002, David W. Fenton wrote
Ctrl-a has an ASCII code? What exactly is its ASCII code?
I refuse to bore the list with further discussion of ascii codes. My
recollection is that all the ctrl-letter combos have well-defined
On 18 Jul 2002, at 19:34, Doug Auwarter wrote:
on 7/18/02 11:19 AM, David W. Fenton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 18 Jul 2002, at 1:08, Harold Steinhardt wrote:
What set me off, was my perceived insistence of others who feel, in
the composing process, that a complete midi playback
On 16 Sep 2002 at 23:32, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
So, I copied and pasted a large chunk of music with lyrics from the
beginning of a piece to the end, because the music returns with
different lyrics. But now when I change the lyrics at the end, it
changes them
On 17 Sep 2002 at 17:24, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 17 Sep 2002 at 17:38, Raimund Lintzen wrote:
So why don't you copy your music+lyrics into a new (empty) file -
then copy it again back to your first file.
This procedure will make your lyrics be in a new verse.
It also has a lot
On 17 Sep 2002 at 17:44, David W. Fenton wrote:
Having decided that pasting from a different file is too much work, I
decided to try copying without the lyrics.
The result, after many false starts where it didn't work at all, I
see the lyrics being copied *anyway*, even though
with no acceptable alternative for doing otherwise, it
boggles the mind.
I guess I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that something so
fundamental should be so poorly implemented in such a mature product.
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On 17 Sep 2002 at 20:09, Mark D. Lew wrote:
In various posts, David W. Fenton wrote:
This is completely unacceptable behavior -- it is basically
completely unusable in any fashion, by any of the various methods.
What the hell am I going to do here?
I'm coming into this discussion
).
Mozilla allows bookmark groups, and when I run out of time I often
bookmark a group of open tabs so I can return to them at a later
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, and that once it's been done it is not fully
reversible.
Those are all indications of an ill-thought-out UI and bugs in the
implementation. A user interface that allows changes to be made to
underlying data but does not allow those changes to be reversed is a
UI that is broken.
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On 18 Sep 2002 at 7:02, Robert Patterson wrote:
On Wed, 18 September 2002, David W. Fenton wrote:
Those are all indications of an ill-thought-out UI and bugs in the
implementation.
David, David. This is Finale we are talking about. Aren't you one of its
long-term users? Ill
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On 18 Sep 2002 at 17:08, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 9:33 AM -0400 9/18/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
Oh, bollocks. This is an instance where Finale is fundamentally
broken. The default behavior of the copy is one issue alone, an ill-
chosen default with no sensible alternative
At 9:33 AM 09/18/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
However correct you may be as the voice of experience, that is the
most ludicrous advice I've ever heard. [...]
That's a really serious indictment of the stability of the Finale
file format.
First of all, David, welcome to the club. Those
does happen to allow that, yes,
but it also allows the cascade deletion without any warning.
And that's the fundamental problem -- Finale's UI is not making clear
the consequence of edits. Nor does it represent in any way how the
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of lyric that is essentially a text expression.
When copying a block of music, appending copies of the source lyrics
to the end of the existing lyrics for the relevant verses strikes me
as a completely viable option, one that makes musical and UI sense.
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anything?
Yes.
0. Lyrics in Finale are fundamentally broken. Use at your own risk.
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On 19 Sep 2002 at 16:20, Thomas Schaller wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
Anyway, on to my solution:
I took someone's advice to insert and symbols in the lyrics
via TYPE IN SCORE so that I could find them in the EDIT LYRICS
window. What I saw was a jumble of lyrics
On 19 Sep 2002 at 17:10, Thomas Schaller wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
There is no option of an option. The other option would be text
expressions,
or else to glom on some new kind of lyric that is essentially a text
expression.
When copying a block of music, appending copies
understand that your advice is good.
But you have to recognize that there's something fundamentally broken
in a program that requires you to jump through so many hoops to
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On 19 Sep 2002 at 17:04, Mark D. Lew wrote:
In various posts, David W. Fenton wrote:
Historically speaking, yes. But before I upgraded to WinFin2003, [...]
Oh, so you're in Fin 2003 now. Does that mean it has changed back?? In
MacFin2002, if I use type-in-score to enter lyrics out
On 19 Sep 2002 at 19:49, Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 6:30 PM 09/19/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
[]
You're lapsing into Mac-speak -- I have no idea what you mean by
OPTION-CLICK. I understand that it's one of the shift keys, but it is
peculiar to the Mac, and I don't know what it maps to on Windows
. That is, if I
could never create problems that would require me to look in EDIT
LYRICS, I'd be happy.
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transparency of word separators, for one, if it were better connected
to the underlying text stream, and if the results of your edits to
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the original lyrics by editing the copy, I would
have had *no* problems with TYPE IN SCORE, either.
In other words, if the default behavior of the COPY had been more
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