He he... well, let me guess?
We still don't have a laywer who can fight those shit?
As we all know the truth behind it should be clear for all that there are
copyright infringements clearly visible?
Even if they can take FGFS and sell it due to our licence, they are not allowed
to say that
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote:
He he... well, let me guess?
We still don't have a laywer who can fight those shit?
As we all know the truth behind it should be clear for all that there are
copyright infringements clearly visible?
Even if they can
Heiko Schulz wrote:
As we all know the truth behind it should be clear for all that there
are copyright infringements clearly visible?
I doubt.
Even if they can take FGFS and sell it due to our licence, they are
not allowed to say that they developed the things they mentioned.
They're
_http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?p=667522#post667522_
(http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?p=667522#post667522)
Thought you'd find this interesting
There are many differences between the two.Let me tell you the
differences:
More Updates:
Pro Flight
Well, all I can say is that those are all lies. In fact, FPS is based
upon a outdated version of fg, and has been reported not to run, and its
source code doesn't build either. :)
http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?p=667522#post667522
Thought you'd find this interesting
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Chris Wilkinson
blobster...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Do you guys really wanna know how corrupt the character behind FSP is?
Snipped
This guy is laughing in the face of the free software world, sponging off
the hard work of others. I think its time to wipe the grin
: Fri, 12 November, 2010 9:45:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
Confrontation? Don't be silly! This guy is a businessman, a shrewd capitalist
at
worst - these kind of guys don't make their money being brutal in peoples
faces,
they sneak around quietly like
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:26:07 +0800, Innis wrote in message
blu131-w26c667f2685c89ddeb94d6df...@phx.gbl:
Hi Chris
I would let it go mate. While I feel no better about people making
money off my work I also feel that it is pretty much or own fault.
..you are here giving him a license
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:21:41 -0800 (PST), Chris wrote in message
429654.31507...@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com:
Another avenue I have considered is a New Zealand consumer affairs
program named Fair Go. This TV show has an excellent track record
of exposing scammers, and sticking up for those
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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
This looks to be more of a moral issue than a legal one.
I'll tell you what I'll do about this. I was born and raised in
Christchurch,
where this guy operates from, and I
-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Fri, 12 November, 2010 8:38:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
?Hi Chris
I have reservations about this. It could easily backfire on you personally
or turn out to be a traumatic event, particularly if it turns out to be more
:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
Confrontation? Don't be silly! This guy is a businessman, a shrewd capitalist
at
worst - these kind of guys don't make their money being brutal in peoples
faces,
they sneak around quietly like mice, (almost) unknowingly
- Original Message -
From: Chris Wilkinson blobster...@yahoo.com.au
To: FlightGear developers discussions
flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
This looks to be more of a moral
.
Tim
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
--
*From:* Mally ma...@tklm.freeserve.co.uk
*To:* FlightGear developers discussions
flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
*Sent:* Fri, 12 November, 2010 8:38:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
Frankly this guy is a big part of the reason I have yet to commit my scenery
and
aircraft to the community. I do NOT want someone making money from my efforts
without either my consent or without some form of input to the community as a
condition of being allowed
Mally wrote:
Relicensing seems to be a good idea if the present license (or it's
potential to be misinterpreted) is resulting in unhappiness for the
contributors, or worse still, affecting the growth and development of FG, as
seems to be the case currently.
I think the latter statement is
FPS is a nuisance, indeed, but boycotting The FlightGear Project just
as a means to hurt FPS doesn't buy us anything, I'd say. If we really
aim at doing anything wrt. FPS, then we'd probably better care about
getting our desolate PR department into better shape
This is the key right
For the love of...
Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is indeed a
problem and reflects negatively on the community.
Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do.
Please, please, someone with a copyright interest in the software please
Hi John,
We have been down this road before. Here is a reply from the FSF:
*From: Donald R Robertson III via RT [mailto:licens...@fsf.org]*
*Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:47 PM*
*
*
*Hello,*
*
*
*Thank you for your interest. This link:*
*http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-violation.html
Hi John,
J. Holden wrote:
Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is
indeed a problem and reflects negatively on the community.
Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do.
I don't think we're ignoring the 'issue'. But we probably should
checked out iirc.
- Original Message -
From: J. Holden stattosoftw...@yahoo.com
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
For the love of...
Whatever your opinion on the legality
John wrote
For the love of...
Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is
indeed a problem and reflects negatively on the community.
Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do.
Please, please, someone with a copyright interest in
Mally wrote:
I despair that everyone seems to be saying this guy's operation is fully
legal, [...]
This might be your feeling, but does not properly reflect what's been
written on this very list. If you're approaching legal affairs with
assumptions _that_ vague and imprecise as the above
? I despair that everyone seems to be saying this guy's operation is fully
legal, [...]
This might be your feeling, but does not properly reflect what's been
written on this very list. If you're approaching legal affairs with
assumptions _that_ vague and imprecise as the above 'summary', then
From: James Turner zakal...@ma... - 2010-11-12 13:37
Just to re-iterate - the best defence is a good offence. Stop worrying about
FPS, and make FG
better (by contributing), or promoting it better. It's essentially a
marketing scam, not a competing
product. (The current flightgear.org
? Also, not sure if this was already mentioned. The person isn't only
selling FG. He does the same with a lot of other GPLed software.
Again, Google shows many similar sites - all with the same contact
address in NZ. And I guess we'd find even more if we looked closer.
Certainly looks like
,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
From: J. Holden stattosoftw...@yahoo.com
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sat, 13 November, 2010 2:28:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
For the love of...
Whatever your opinion
how the show operates.
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
From: J. Holden stattosoftw...@yahoo.com
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sat, 13 November, 2010 2:28:32 AM
Subject:
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
For the love of...
Whatever your opinion
?Arnt
..url to your facebook page? Would be the useful
one url I meant. ;o)
Effectively, once I'm logged in, the URL to my personal facebook page is
still just http://www.facebook.com/ . Unless you're logged in as me, you're
not going to see what I see on the page anyway, and there's no way
On Thursday 11 November 2010 03:36:02 Mally wrote:
?Arnt
..url to your facebook page? Would be the useful
one url I meant. ;o)
Effectively, once I'm logged in, the URL to my personal facebook page is
still just http://www.facebook.com/ . Unless you're logged in as me, you're
not going
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:25:14 +0100, Citronnier wrote in message
4cdc0ada.6020...@gmail.com:
Ron Jensen a écrit :
On Thursday 11 November 2010 03:36:02 Mally wrote:
?Arnt
..url to your facebook page? Would be the useful one url I
meant. ;o)
Effectively, once I'm logged in, the
Hi all!
XIII wrote:
And why do they use an A-6E screenshot I have made me-my-own-self ?
Nah, I just sent to Facebook an inquiry for copyright infringement :-)
Content on the FlightGear wiki also falls under the GNU GPL license (as stated
at the bottom of this
page), so does this A-6E
I am not sure whether the content *generated* by a GPL-licensed
program (such as FlightGear generating screenshots) would have to be
licensed under the GPL as well.
To be honest, I doubt it, because a lot of GPL-licensed tools are used
to generate copyrighted content, even including
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Robin van Steenbergen
stone...@stoneynet.nl wrote:
I am not sure whether the content *generated* by a GPL-licensed program
(such as FlightGear generating screenshots) would have to be licensed under
the GPL as well.
To be honest, I doubt it, because a lot of
Csaba Halász a écrit :
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Robin van Steenbergen
stone...@stoneynet.nl wrote:
I am not sure whether the content *generated* by a GPL-licensed
program (such as FlightGear generating screenshots) would have to
be licensed under the GPL as well.
To be
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:50:03 +0100, Robin wrote in message
4cdc1ebb.4050...@stoneynet.nl:
I am not sure whether the content *generated* by a GPL-licensed
program (such as FlightGear generating screenshots) would have to be
licensed under the GPL as well.
..it's the When I push the button
Either Curt or someone who has contributed a significant amount of code to the
FlightGear project should look into talking with an open source lawyer.
On copyright grounds, we can only sue to enforce the GPL. Basically, we can
only make FPS GPL-compliant, which I do not believe they are, but I
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Fri, 12 November, 2010 2:46:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
Either Curt or someone who has contributed a significant amount of code to the
FlightGear project should look into talking with an open source lawyer
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:46:20 -, Vivian wrote in message
3c9574cdcbb34cc5b329545212bec...@main:
Mally wrote
?Arnt
I think I have maybe one or two lines of code in FG... I helped fix
a bug many moons ago. But I like to keep my interest in case
there's anything I can offer in
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:32:08 -0800, Hal wrote in message
201011101132.09107.hven...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:23:22 am Arnt Karlsen wrote:
However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD,
..how? That may be another violation of the GPL.
This is
?? However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD,
..how? That may be another violation of the GPL.
This is specifically allowed by the GPL which allows for charging for
media,
reproduction and distribution costs.
This amazing software package is Yours Risk Free for only
? My question is, _do_ they offer the source as required under
the GPL?
Yes, they offer the full source code. Does this offer meet the full
requirements of how it is to be delivered? I've no idea, but I do recall
seeing a particular clause which I thought may not have been met. I don't
have
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mally ma...@tklm.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
?? However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD,
..how? That may be another violation of the GPL.
This is specifically allowed by the GPL which allows for charging for
media,
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:20:37 -, Mally wrote in message
ace4bad9dffe47aabb425ffa69afa...@chuchote:
? My question is, _do_ they offer the source as required under
the GPL?
Yes, they offer the full source code. Does this offer meet the full
requirements
..yes, this far, no with GPLv3.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:59:12 -0600, Gene wrote in message
aanlkti=wpr+y9jdz1rlreaj4nqwxup2w3xrxmzh43...@mail.gmail.com:
They are not claiming a copyright - they are claiming that FPS is
copyrighted and protected under the United States and other World Wide
Copyright Laws
Which is an
?I've just had an advert for FlightSimPro prominently displayed on my
FaceBook home page:
QUOTE
New Flight Simulator
flightprosim.com
Learning how to work the new flight simulator is very easy. You get 100%
freedom, amazing scenery and a sophisticated Sky Model.
UNQUOTE
What is the current
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:33:45 -, Mally wrote in message
659018fab24b48ae85bc8d943d15e...@chuchote:
?I've just had an advert for FlightSimPro prominently displayed on my
FaceBook home page:
..url?
QUOTE
New Flight Simulator
flightprosim.com
Learning how to work the new flight
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Cc: Mally ma...@tklm.freeserve.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:33:45 -, Mally wrote in message
659018fab24b48ae85bc8d943d15e...@chuchote:
?I've just had an advert
Mally wrote
?Arnt
I think I have maybe one or two lines of code in FG... I helped fix a bug
many moons ago. But I like to keep my interest in case there's anything I
can offer in the future. Anyway, it's not really about that, and maybe in
fact I should not concern myself with this issue
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Simon Hollier hellosi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Martin,
I don't think so as it appears to be last updated on the 30th of October.
There is a user in Winnipeg, MB Canada that is sucking down an
enormous amount of pages, but that isn't necessarily malicious.
Isn't this funny - the content looks a little bit familiar :-)
http://www.flightprosim.com/fg-wikis/wiki.flightgear.org/
BTW, could this mirror be the cause for the almost regular 503
connection errors I'm getting recently when looking at the 'real'
FlightGear Wiki ?
Cheers,
Martin.
Isn't this funny - the content looks
a little bit familiar :-)
http://www.flightprosim.com/fg-wikis/wiki.flightgear.org/
BTW, could this mirror be the cause for the almost regular
503
connection errors I'm getting recently when looking at the
'real'
FlightGear Wiki ?
Cheers,
Hey Martin,
I don't think so as it appears to be last updated on the 30th of October.
There is a user in Winnipeg, MB Canada that is sucking down an
enormous amount of pages, but that isn't necessarily malicious.
We're working on a solution to the 503's.
Simon
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