Hi Thomas,
If you were going to remake the BSC games but not with the same sounds and not
from the original code, why not make the same game only with your title?
BFN
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Hi tom.
Personally, i don't see what is wrong with just installing vb6 libraries.
Aprone, Jim, and lots of other devs, (including several in the indi
community), still use vb6, so it'll be around for a good while. I have no
intention of buying a newer version of windows until it really serves
Hi tom.
the problem I can see with a rewrite, is that of time. It is still possible
to run the old games on newer versions of windows by installing the
dependencies, and as has been pointed out, you do have other projects in the
works, and a complete rewrite of these games, (especially with
Hello Dark
Very well put. I hate how windows pushes there producks on people
when ever they come out with a new oprating system. I have 3 computers with
win xp, win 7 and win 8 and I still perfur to use my computer with xp then
the other 2, and with all the people that still perfur xp
: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Hi all,
In light of what is happening with Blindsoftware.com, formally BSC
Games, I thought I would throw an offer out here that some of you
could consider and think about. Perhaps offer up your advice or
suggestions
Hi Tom,
Technically, you may be able to do some development on Windows, but ultimately,
you'd still need a Mac and Xcode for the final compilation and submission to
the App Store.
I also have some doubts on the accessibility of apps developed with Mono, but
that is merely speculation on my
Hi Jim,
That's actually what I am thinking. Since Justin has made it difficult
to get at his sounds and nuked the source code for the games I think
I'd be better off just buying the sounds and music necessary and
writing my own games with similar themes as the BSC titles. If I
created a game
of luck.
Now go blind friendly games.
Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer
Hi Cara,
Thanks for that thoughtful post, and it certainly makes a lot of
sense. Its something I've more or less discovered the hard way over
the last couple of years in developing my Evolution Engine, and
developing specifically for a certain platform or OS is something I'm
coming to respect.
Hi Ron,
Thanks. However, don't get your hopes up. Right now I am thinking out
loud as it were and seeing where the communities feelings are on the
matter. By and large the general consensus seems to be forget about
the BSC Games, do your own thing, and don't worry about trying to
rewrite these
Hi James,
That is true, but since Microsoft is a huge money making corporation
naturally they are going to do whatever possible to continue selling
you their software and services. They've already made all or most of
the money they are going to ever make off of XP so have to sell you
Windows 7,
HI Dark,
Well, it would be nice if someone could maintain the dependencies, but
that of course will never happen. Microsoft hasn't released the source
code for the Visual Basic Runtime libraries and nor are they ever
likely to. Writing a new VB 6 runtime would be a huge undertaking
which wouldn't
Hi Dark,
Well, installing the VB 6 libraries is only half the problem. Yes, a
person can do so and the games will run on Windows 7, but there are
still compatibility issues that can and do effect the operation of
your games.
For example, on Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 when User
, but Labs are a close second.
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Hi Ron,
Thanks. However, don't get your hopes up. Right
Hi Charles,
Right. I guess I should have specified that any work on rewriting the
BSC games would obviously have to come later. Its not like I'd drop
everything and rewrite them right now. However, people being people
they might jump to that conclusion which was not my intent. My intent
was
Hi Thomas, actually that was Josh with that note, but I'm actually in full
agreement with him. :)
So there ya go!…
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Hi all,
In light of what is happening with Blindsoftware.com, formally BSC
Games, I thought I would throw an offer out here that some of you
could consider and think about. Perhaps offer up your advice or
suggestions regarding this matter.
Based on my discussions with Justin via email he does
-- Original Message --
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:12:07 -0400
Hi all,
In light of what is happening with Blindsoftware.com, formally BSC
Games, I thought I would
Well, Thomas.
I think the games are fine the way they are.
However if they could be ported to iOS, and Mac it might be something
worth investing into.
However I have some questions that I would like to ask you off list
concerning the matter of game developement of games.
I think it would also
Hi Tom, I think this is a great idea, there are some good games as you say that
have been ether abandoned or just not written due to developers going and other
things. Castle quest got abandoned due to justin and bsc games being let down
and it sounded like it was going to be a great title. I
Remember, they would have to be rewritten from scratch inorder for that to
happen.
But thou must!
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From: michael barnes
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:31 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Well, Thomas.
I think
Hi Ryan,
Agreed. Although, I must say MOTA is not scrapped. Its being updated
as we speak, and I am hoping to hear back from my voice actress soon
with a batch of voice work for the game. So its not scrapped just a
bit different.
Cheers!
On 4/21/13, Ryan Conroy staindadd...@juno.com wrote:
Hi
Agreed. I'll certainly donate wheI can. Unlike some I feel games like these
are worth saving.
But thou must!
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From: Ian McNamara
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:32 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Hi Tom, I think
. Make your own games, and bring
what you have to the table.. Don't focus on the past.
Just my two cents worth.
Ryan
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Date
Hi Michael,
Which is why they would have to be rewritten from scratch to begin
with. The language used for the original versions isn't compatible
with iOS or Mac OS. So something like Object C would be needed for
versions running on Mac OS and iOS.
Anyway, you can certainly write me off list and
hi tom.
I don't think I'd spend cash on remakes, these games are classics, we
have enough space invadors clones out there for troop 1 2 etc.
alien outback is almost the same format as troop2.
good old games but.
pipe 1 and 2, had their day, sure I'd like to keep them alive for as
long as I can
Agreed. They were and are good games that shouldn't be allowed to die if
that can be prevented.
But thou must!
-Original Message-
From: shaun everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:43 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
well
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
well they are old classics, I say keep the classics alive myself.
the rest can come as they do.
At 10:27 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote:
Hi Tom,
I personally would say scrap those old games, and proceed with your
own ideas. I
Hi,
since these games work under Windows 7, and since Windows 7 has a good bit
of years ahead of it, I'd say don't invest so much time for rewriting these
titles. Everyone who wants to keep playing them can do so for years to come,
and after that time I hope we have more things to play than
Hi,
This is a really tough call. On one hand, I do think that these games
will always have their place, even just for nostalgia's sake. But is
that enough to update them to run on modern systems? My gut reaction
is to say no.
I think that part of the nostalgia of these games may be just
Hi Shaun,
Which is why the questions. As far as I am concerned Alien Outback is
as good as Troopanum and its always possible Draconis will produce a
new version for Windows, Mac, and iOS which would make the time and
money spent on a Troopanum remake kind of pointless. Hunter is OK, but
I could
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Hi Shaun,
Well, I don't know that it would take ages to do. Games like Troopanum
are actually pretty simple from the perspective of an experienced
programmer. I'd say six months tops for a game like that. So time
isn't really the issue. It is the issue of having to invest in new
sounds and music
Here's my thoughts:
I dont personally feel that I would spend money on these
games at the current time, though this may change, especially
given how much I'm on muds lately. I would really like to see
them stay available in their current form, though. Perhaps a
developer could host them on
Thomas.
Can I get a email for you?
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Following on from the point Sarah just made, I'd say that if and when
these titles become less easy to acquire or less easy to get up and
running, there will be some advantages. People who're just starting
out and experimenting with development need challenges. At the moment,
if someone knocks out
Hi Al,
Yes, the wrestling game started out as a remake of the old Piledriver
game for Dos, and obviously is still in active production. However,
that is a good case in point.
The reason I began rewriting Piledriver is my new laptop is a 64-bit
machine and Piledriver will not run on it because it
Hi Scott,
All good points. The only reason I was tossing this offer out there
was to see how people felt about it. I know there is a lot of anxiety
over Justin leaving. People worried if their games are compatible with
Windows 8, people wondering what will happen if they can't afford the
key
: shaun everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
I also aggree however I don't know if I'd actually would shell out
for them again.
the reason I even thought like I did origionally was before I read
the offer email
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From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:04 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
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Hi,
This is a really tough call. On one hand, I do think that these games
will always have their place, even just for nostalgia's sake
are a close second.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Hi,
since these games work under Windows 7, and since Windows 7 has a good bit
And I'm sure Thomas wants them off his back as quickly as reasonably
possible. LOL.
But thou must!
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From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:41 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Why is there so much focus
Well Thomas, what I really want to see from you is the completion of
the projects you've already committed to doing. You simply shouldn't
take on yet more endless stuff right now. I even question the wisdom
of your involvement with whatever will become of Audyssey Magazine.
You've come close to
Hi Charles and all,
Correct. My current projects such as Raceway would absolutely have to
come first. No question about that. At this point I was merely gauging
interest in the idea of updating and reselling the BSC games at some
unspecified future point in time.
As to your question about why
: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:04 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
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Hi,
This is a really tough call. On one hand, I do think that these games
will always have their place, even just for nostalgia's sake. But is
that enough to update them to run on modern
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Really? I didn't know that. That's something I'll have to take a look
into. Lol, yes, the blinking screen. that and the fact that it usually
takes about 8 tries to get any game to work properly.
On 4/21/13, Bryan
: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
Hi all,
In light of what is happening with Blindsoftware.com, formally BSC
Games, I thought I would throw an offer out here that some of you
could consider and think about. Perhaps offer up your
well if troop was going to be made again then 2,1 was ok but it was
for completeness.
pipe1 was ok, but again pipe2 was the real game, pipe1 was just kept round.
as a different style.
I myself would like to see some of the arcade games you play on the
old big machine units like asteroids etc.
true scot, I'd actually like to hear a remake of some old arcade
games but not from the aspect of a computer because we have so many,
I'd actually like an arcade machine sim with inserting coins, etc, etc, etc.
each life was a coin and every so often you would have to load one in.
you could run
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From: shaun everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:01 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
well if troop was going to be made
up on you, which they do from
time to time (the dreaded blinking screen anyone?)
But thou must!
-Original Message- From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:04 PM
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Hi,
This is a really tough call
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Hi,
since these games work under Windows 7, and since Windows 7 has a
good bit of years ahead of it, I'd say don't invest so much time
for rewriting these titles. Everyone who wants to keep playing them
can do so for years to come
well if you want to make remakes thats fine I just wouldn't rate them
high on my list of things to buy.
At 11:55 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote:
Well Thomas, what I really want to see from you is the completion of
the projects you've already committed to doing. You simply shouldn't
take on yet more
Narc. There was a cool game.
But thou must!
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From: shaun everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:01 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Possible Offer To Consider
well if troop was going to be made again then 2,1 was ok
The thing that disappointed me about Troopanum 2 was the lack of a cool
ending theme the way classic Troop had.
But thou must!
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From: Ron Kolesar
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:07 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
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No thanks.
But thou must!
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From: shaun everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:08 PM
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well a nes remake from the aspect of the nes, in fact I'd like games
where you would play from
Hi Shaun,
When it comes to the issue of retro remakes in general I totally agree
with you. There are a lot of Atari and NES games that haven't been
remade into an audio game version like Asteroids, Mousetrap,
Centipede, Zaxxon, etc which seems to me to be a better thing to do
than rewrite the
wrote:
No thanks.
But thou must!
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From: shaun everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:08 PM
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well a nes remake from the aspect of the nes, in fact I'd like games
where you would play
Air Fortress actually blended a couple different genres. Then of course
there was Guardian Legend.
But thou must!
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From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:19 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
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Hi Shaun
That's the one area where Emulators have the original beat.
But thou must!
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Hi Bryan,
Lol! Yeah, really. I wouldn't want a game
Michael,
I'm not Thomas but I can say that for iOS, using the accelerometer / gyro /
compass in addition to the touch screen to control movements in games is very
easily done.
Oh, and Thomas, you'd asked me some days ago about porting C++ code to iOS…
This is also very easy to do as you can
Ah, quick clarification; in regarding to coding in C++ on iOS, you still will
need to know some Objective C to work with the necessary libraries for the iOS
devices.
Other than that you can code in C++.
HTH
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they are good games, I like them never got through hunter or pipe2
but the troop games are really good.
At 11:41 AM 4/22/2013, you wrote:
Why is there so much focus on the fact that these are old games? The
question
Hi Cara,
Right. Yeah, I read some of the SDK documentation for iOS and know I
would have to use some Objective C to access the libraries for the
library, but could use standard C++ for everything else.
However, I was wondering if you have looked at Mono for iOS.
Apparently there is now a Mono
Hi Thomas, not sure about Mono but will check it out this week.
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