Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 10, 2011 02:54:58 AM Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: You give me too much credit :-) There's also Neil, Wonko, Volker, Stroller, Grant, meino.cramer, Mick, Paul, Harry, Albert, Alex, Walter, Alan Mackenzie (awesome name!), James, kashani, Pandu and about a 1000

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Saturday, September 10, 2011 02:56:48 AM Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:25:22 -0500 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: I'm lucky, I can vote with my feet. Out of 140, I have two servers that *require* Linux. One runs Sybase ASE, the

Re: [gentoo-user] vmplayer wont start

2011-09-12 Thread ifj. Stefán István
2011-09-08 23:07 keltezéssel, Mick írta: On Thursday 08 Sep 2011 09:29:38 ifj. Stefán István wrote: Hello! I've installed vmware-player, but can't start it. It outputs a lot of messages (none of them seems to be error msgs) and gives back the prompt: localhost ~ # vmplayer Logging to

Re: [gentoo-user] vmplayer wont start

2011-09-12 Thread ifj. Stefán István
2011-09-09 04:18 keltezéssel, Michael Higgins írta: On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 10:29:38 +0200 ifj. Stefán Istvániste...@stef.hu wrote: Hello! I've installed vmware-player, but can't start it. It outputs a lot of messages [ 8 ] It wont start even if I add a virtual machine config file parameter

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Friday, September 09, 2011 07:24:06 PM pk wrote: On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote: Can I slap whoever started this? The more I think on this, the worse it Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at it, slap him from me too! ;-) It _may_ be this guy that's responsible for

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Dale
Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Saturday, September 10, 2011 02:56:48 AM Dale wrote: I sometimes think people get tired of the chatter box. lol I wonder if I am on somebody's blacklist? :/ If you are, that person is missing out on some good entertainment :) That may depend on my meds. lol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X keyboard model insists of being pc104

2011-09-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:04:24 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: I copied /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf to /etc/X11/xorg-conf.d/99-evdev.conf and edited it No, you are right! I inserted 99-evdev.conf, because 10-evdev.conf will be overwritten when updateing, No it won't. Most of

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Sunday, September 11, 2011 08:44:20 PM James Wall wrote: On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:23 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: Mick wrote: On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 19:56:48 Dale wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Schuster
Joost Roeleveld writes: What about the following as a gentoo-solution: As long as filesystem-support for /usr is in the kernel, why can't /usr be mounted right after /? Eg. instead of worrying with an init*, why not edit the boot-scripts to have /usr mounted before udev and colleagues

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:59:41 -0500, Dale wrote: http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml I had absolutely no idea I sent *that* much mail to gentoo-user :-) Me either. That's when I had to accept that I was a true chatter box. O_O I wonder if Neil knows this? He

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:34:42 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: Me either. That's when I had to accept that I was a true chatter box. O_O I wonder if Neil knows this? He may not realize how many he sends either. Since I am on this list, I tend to confuse Alan and Neil. Is this only me?

[gentoo-user] Re: /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 09/09/11, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: The question arose, when Canek mentioned bluetoothd, that udev seems to need in some cases. This is wrong. udev on its own does not require extra tools from /usr. Though, the rules used by udev do use software in /usr. It's NOT a udev fault _at

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:15:52 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Since I am on this list, I tend to confuse Alan and Neil. Is this only me? girlfriend says that Alan and Neil are both male bald middle-aged pedantic old gits with a fascination for the writing of Douglas Adams. And they are both

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 10:37:25 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: So I wonder what Neil will write about this. He seems to be lying low. Just in an area with very poor Internet access. I'm back in England now :) -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 31: Small crowd signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:45:44 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: As long as filesystem-support for /usr is in the kernel, why can't /usr be mounted right after /? Eg. instead of worrying with an init*, why not edit the boot-scripts to have /usr mounted before udev and colleagues start? Because

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Schuster
Neil Bothwick writes: On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:34:42 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: Since I am on this list, I tend to confuse Alan and Neil. Is this only me? Whoops, which should be: I tend to confuse Alan _with_ Neil. But then, both may be right. No, it's not only you. Dale confuses the

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 09:49:22 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:45:44 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: As long as filesystem-support for /usr is in the kernel, why can't /usr be mounted right after /? Eg. instead of worrying with an init*, why not edit the boot-scripts

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:07:12 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: I'd like to know why these functions cannot be separated, run the command to populate /dev early on, then start the udev daemon after the filesystems have been mounted. Some sort of early boot rules file would need to be used

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi, On Monday, 12. September 2011 10:40:02 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 09/09/11, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: The question arose, when Canek mentioned bluetoothd, that udev seems to need in some cases. This is wrong. udev on its own does not require extra tools from /usr. Though, the

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 10:13:45 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:07:12 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: I'd like to know why these functions cannot be separated, run the command to populate /dev early on, then start the udev daemon after the filesystems have been

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:34:17 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: I wonder if it could be done more simply. udevd loads but only parses those rule files marked as suitable for early boot time. Later in the boot it switches to full mode and loads all rule files. This is so simple it is either

Re: [gentoo-user] RootFS not umounting at shutdown?

2011-09-12 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Mon 12 Sep 2011 08:07:27 AM IST, Dale wrote: Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Mon 12 Sep 2011 07:32:25 AM IST, Dale wrote: Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Ever since I have updated my system on 20th September, my rootfs (/dev/sda2) isn't umounted (remounted ro) on shutdown, due to which I see

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-12 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 9/11/2011 8:28 PM, Albert W. Hopkins wrote: On Sunday, September 11 at 18:54 (-0500), Dale said: I think I saw it mentioned on -dev that some time shortly /usr and /var will be needed on / or you will need the init* thingy to boot. Hmm, that doesn't smell right to me. What I think you

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 9/12/2011 3:12 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Saturday, September 10, 2011 02:54:58 AM Dale wrote: If we are so skilled, why is the Fedora dev not listening you reckon? Is the Fedora dev aware of non-Fedora installations? He is, because a Gentoo user/dev explicitly pointed out the

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 08:14:57 AM Mike Edenfield wrote: On 9/12/2011 3:12 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Saturday, September 10, 2011 02:54:58 AM Dale wrote: If we are so skilled, why is the Fedora dev not listening you reckon? Is the Fedora dev aware of non-Fedora installations?

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on MacBook

2011-09-12 Thread Moshe Kamensky
* Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk [09/09/11 12:27]: On 9 September 2011, at 04:50, Moshe Kamensky wrote: ... I was happy to soon... It now boots, but after asking me about keyboard layout, it tries to find the cdrom and fails, with messages like: Looking for CDROM

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on MacBook

2011-09-12 Thread Moshe Kamensky
Why not install it as a virtual machine under the OSX? Much easier and you can have both working at once and the performance is not bad at all. I didn't consider it, since I don't really need the OSX, but I might give it a try. Is there a particular VM you recommend? Vmware

[gentoo-user] two question about Xfce

2011-09-12 Thread András Csányi
Dear All, I have two question about Xfce: - I have two monitors and the panel takes place on the right side of the left monitor vertically. To put another form, the panel takes place in 1440x0 position. The applications are able to go down to the panel if I put them full screen mode. To be

[gentoo-user] /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Some packages can apply patches from /etc/portage/patches/, other don't. Why don't all packages do that? Is there a way to make all packages use /etc/portage/patches?

Re: [gentoo-user] two question about Xfce

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi, On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:01:34 András Csányi wrote: Dear All, I have two question about Xfce: Is used kwin under xfce somehow? If a KDE application is used kwin always gets in the picture? No, unless you tell it to (kwin --replace iirc) and no. How to fix your problem, I

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-12 Thread justin
On 9/12/11 3:21 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Some packages can apply patches from /etc/portage/patches/, other don't. Why don't all packages do that? Is there a way to make all packages use /etc/portage/patches? It a specific function which needs to be added to the ebuild by the writer.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?

2011-09-12 Thread BRM
Well...to get back on topic... - Original Message - From: David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:52:53 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote about [gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?: I've just read about the 'new' Linux Counter from a slashdot article, and I wonder: is there a

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/12/2011 04:41 PM, justin wrote: On 9/12/11 3:21 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Some packages can apply patches from /etc/portage/patches/, other don't. Why don't all packages do that? Is there a way to make all packages use /etc/portage/patches? It a specific function which needs to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-12 Thread justin
A hacky trick would be to implement it yourself by adding the appropriate function to post_src_unpack of post_src_prepare in /etc/portage/bashrc. Nut this is out of warranty, but should work On 9/12/11 3:51 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 04:41 PM, justin wrote: On 9/12/11 3:21

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Thanks! A bashrc with the following in it seems to work here just fine: post_src_unpack() { epatch_user } Also, the epatch_user() docs mention that it's safe to call epatch_user multiple times, so I support no breakages should be expected with ebuilds and eclasses that call

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 19:28, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2011 08:14:57 AM Mike Edenfield wrote: His response, to me, appeared to be a heavy dose of way more people use Fedora/Debian/etc than Gentoo so I'm tailoring my fix to those people combined with a

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has my sound gone?

2011-09-12 Thread Stroller
On 12 September 2011, at 04:52, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 12 September 2011 04:41:53 I wrote: I've added USE=alsa and I'm remerging world now. Let's hope I'll be able to listen to my favourite BBC Radio 3 soon! Now playing happily, though the BBC do still insist on Flash.

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/patches/

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/12/2011 05:42 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Thanks! A bashrc with the following in it seems to work here just fine: post_src_unpack() { epatch_user } In case anyone else is trying this, the above should be: post_src_unpack() { cd ${S} epatch_user }

[gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, everybody. Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is it that has this nauseating feature of needing /usr loaded to boot? Somewhere in that version's source will be several (or lots of) /usr. Just how difficult is it going to be to replace

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 19:28, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2011 08:14:57 AM Mike Edenfield wrote: His response, to me, appeared to be a heavy dose of way more people use

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Alan, On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:02:48 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, everybody. Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is it that has this nauseating feature of needing /usr loaded to boot? Somewhere in that version's source will be

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, everybody. Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is it that has this nauseating feature of needing /usr loaded to boot? Somewhere in that version's source will be

[gentoo-user] package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this: media-libs/freetype-1.4_pre20080316-r2 When I try to emerge freetype however, instead of emerging the newer version, I get: $ emerge freetype WARNING: A requested package will not be merged because it is listed in

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Monday, September 12, 2011 11:29:12 AM Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 19:28, Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2011 08:14:57 AM Mike Edenfield wrote: His response, to me,

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Canek, On Monday, 12. September 2011 11:35:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: (This would be my only post in this new thread: I think I have made my point of view clear in the other thread). I have seen a lot of disinformation going on in the other threads (like some people suggesting that

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Dale
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Alan Mackenziea...@muc.de wrote: Hi, everybody. Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is it that has this nauseating feature of needing /usr loaded to boot? Somewhere in that

Re: [gentoo-user] package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 12, 2011 11:11 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this: media-libs/freetype-1.4_pre20080316-r2 When I try to emerge freetype however, instead of emerging the newer version, I get: $ emerge freetype WARNING: A

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Alan Mackenziea...@muc.de  wrote: Hi, everybody. Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is it that has this

Re: [gentoo-user] package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 18:41:37 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this: media-libs/freetype-1.4_pre20080316-r2 When I try to emerge freetype however, instead of emerging the newer version, I get: $ emerge freetype WARNING: A

[gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/12/2011 07:31 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 12, 2011 11:11 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de mailto:rea...@arcor.de wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this: media-libs/freetype-1.4_pre20080316-r2 When I try to emerge freetype however, instead of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Dale
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi, On Monday, 12. September 2011 10:40:02 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: So, what's the good way to fix all that mess? Certainly not moving most of software to /. Fortunately, we can expect /usr to be mounted before udev starts via the initramfs. That's *your*

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 12:42:00 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: You say it was disinformation about /var. Care to explain why me and one other person read the same thing? It was mentioned on -dev. I was pretty sure it

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Alan Mackenziea...@muc.de  wrote: Hi, everybody. Hope nobody minds me starting a new

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread Dale
Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 19:28, Joost Roeleveldjo...@antarean.org wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2011 08:14:57 AM Mike Edenfield wrote: His response, to me, appeared to be a heavy dose of way more people use Fedora/Debian/etc than Gentoo so I'm tailoring my fix to those

[gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/12/2011 07:42 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 18:41:37 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this: media-libs/freetype-1.4_pre20080316-r2 When I try to emerge freetype however, instead of emerging the newer

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 20:04:47 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 07:42 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 18:41:37 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this: media-libs/freetype-1.4_pre20080316-r2

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Michael. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Alan, On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:02:48 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is it that has this nauseating feature of

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:02:48 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an accurate name. Which version of udev is

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
Hi Alan, On Monday, 12. September 2011 17:17:37 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Michael. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Alan, On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:02:48 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hope nobody minds me starting a new thread with an

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 13:39:59 Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:02:48 Alan Mackenzie wrote: you misunderstood something.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 12:42:00 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: You say it was disinformation about /var.  Care to explain why me and one

[gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/12/2011 08:17 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 20:04:47 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 07:42 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 18:41:37 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:02:48 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hope nobody minds me

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 14:26:13 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 12:42:00 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: You say it

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: The first step in a clean solution, IMO, is to revert that change. The second step is to fix the 'silent failure' problem for packages which depend

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 21:31:59 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 08:17 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 20:04:47 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 07:42 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 18:41:37 Nikos

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 14:37:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 05:33:34PM +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12.

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-12 Thread David W Noon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:44:20 -0500, James Wall wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, David W Noon dwn...@ntlworld.com wrote: [snip] I have some scripts that generate LVM rebuild scripts.  These scan the current logical volumes and generate

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 14:37:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: No fixable, in reality. The flexibility of udev is in part in that the userspace can (and actually do) run arbitrary scripts and binaries from udev

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: The first step in a clean solution, IMO, is to revert that change. The second

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:18:53 Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 14:37:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: No fixable, in reality. The flexibility of udev is in part in that the userspace can

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Dale
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: And yeah, that's not how classical Unix do things. Who cares? Linux does it so much better. Regards. Some of us here care. That is the reason we are not liking this one bit. Dale :-) :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:18:53 Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 14:37:24 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: No fixable,

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread David W Noon
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:00:49 -0400, Michael Mol wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] And then you lose the flexibility. Here's the chief problem with that argument...it's not just limited to /usr. If

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Schuster
Canek Peláez Valdés writes: But what you guys don't seem to realize is that /lib and /bin and /sbin was the original hack: everything really should go into /usr, because now (with an initramfs) we can do what we were not able 30 years ago. We not need anything in /, really. You do have a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:49:28 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 09/12/2011 07:31 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 12, 2011 11:11 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de mailto:rea...@arcor.de wrote: In my /etc/portage/profile/package.provided, I have this:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:42:00 -0400 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Alan Mackenziea...@muc.de  wrote: Hi, everybody. Hope nobody minds me

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 03:35:19PM -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I read that page. I understand the problem. I'm not convinced. I can respect that. I can only then say that we must agree to disagree, because I also understand the problem, and I am convinced. But what you guys don't

[gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/12/2011 10:02 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 21:31:59 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 08:17 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 20:04:47 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 07:42 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On

[gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/12/2011 11:31 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:49:28 +0300 Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 09/12/2011 07:31 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Sep 12, 2011 11:11 PM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de mailto:rea...@arcor.de wrote: In my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 13, 2011 2:10 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 09/12/2011 08:17 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 20:04:47 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 07:42 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 18:41:37 Nikos

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 13, 2011 3:16 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 15:18:53 Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 23:42:30 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 10:02 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 21:31:59 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 08:17 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 20:04:47 Nikos

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:33:34 +0200 Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: Every udev version works this way. Fixing udev to continue working with separate /usr is far from trivial imo. Changing some paths is not the way to go for sure. First of all, udev has to distinguish between

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:07:46 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: No, it states that it's not solveable for the broadest set of cases (I hesitate to say 'universally') unless you can run arbitrary scripts which may be in /usr. Consider it possible that nfsd is needed to mount /usr.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:48:01 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: If you provide xyz-1.2.3 then portage does not know what *you* did to achieve that and makes no attempt to deal with it at all. You are expected to completely 100% deal with all of xyz, including all slots. man 5

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Monday, 12. September 2011 22:57:40 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:07:46 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: No, it states that it's not solveable for the broadest set of cases (I hesitate to say 'universally') unless you can run arbitrary scripts which may be in

[gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/13/2011 12:18 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 23:42:30 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 10:02 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 21:31:59 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 08:17 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Schreckenbauer
On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 01:11:39 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/13/2011 12:18 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 23:42:30 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/12/2011 10:02 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 21:31:59 Nikos

[gentoo-user] Re: package.provided messes up emerging of package slots?

2011-09-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/13/2011 01:26 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: On Tuesday, 13. September 2011 01:11:39 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: [...] You cannot provide a slot - you provide a package - freetype in this case. A slot is a gentoo specific thing. So is package.provided :-) Of course :) Point is, you

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Michael Schreckenbauer grim...@gmx.de wrote: On Monday, 12. September 2011 22:57:40 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:07:46 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: No, it states that it's not solveable for the broadest set of cases (I hesitate

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 04:14:26AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote * Keep udev as it was before (i.e., living in / instead of in /usr) and somehow make sure that everyone RTFM/RTFFAQ, or * Make two versions of udev, one which lives in / for those who've done their homework, and another version in

[gentoo-user] Keyboard hangs after wake up from hinernation

2011-09-12 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, I run my IBM model M keyboard (1987 :) via a Belkin USB-PS2 converter. This results in a problem Sometimes after wakeup from supsend to disk (supend to RAM is not check yet) the keyboard hangs: All LEDs are flashing and not key is accepted. Power cycling via USB plug helps. I am

[gentoo-user] Compose key and UTF8

2011-09-12 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, I am using the US layout for my keyboard in the altgr-intlk variant. UTF8 is activated. Furthermore I use CAPS LOCK as compose key. I tried compose key sequences from /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose and many do work. So I think the basic mechanism is ok. But some came out as

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 12 September 2011 21:31:09 Alan Mackenzie wrote: They could have put everything on /usr 30 years ago, if they'd have seen fit. They saw then good reason not to. What you and KS seem oblivious to is the reason for /bin, /sbin. It is to allow a small boot so as to permit system

Re: [gentoo-user] udev + /usr

2011-09-12 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 02:37:24PM -0400, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote No fixable, in reality. The flexibility of udev is in part in that the userspace can (and actually do) run arbitrary scripts and binaries from udev rules. You can fix the ones that require binaries in /usr *NOW*, but not

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-12 Thread Mick
On Monday 12 Sep 2011 13:11:51 Mike Edenfield wrote: On 9/11/2011 8:28 PM, Albert W. Hopkins wrote: On Sunday, September 11 at 18:54 (-0500), Dale said: I think I saw it mentioned on -dev that some time shortly /usr and /var will be needed on / or you will need the init* thingy to boot.