Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 08:39:41PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote You are only considering the case of /usr being on a plain hard disk partition, what if it in on an LVM volume, or encrypted (or both) of mounted over the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:06:27 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 08:39:41PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote You are only considering the case of /usr being on a plain hard disk

[gentoo-user] Re: Questions about optimal mplayer settings

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-19, Dale wrote: Bruce Hill wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:05:14PM -0600, Dale wrote: [...] Here is two links if you want to try my weird way of doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITHbsUUlYI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Innx3puNI I use downloadhelper to grab

[gentoo-user] Re: Questions about optimal mplayer settings

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-19, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 19.12.2012 00:20, schrieb Walter Dnes: 1) In the past couple of days I finally figured out what I was doing wrong with hardware acceleration (causing lack thereof) with an onboard Intel GPU in my HTPC machine. I've applied the same fix to my desktop.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about optimal mplayer settings

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2012-12-19, Dale wrote: Bruce Hill wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:05:14PM -0600, Dale wrote: [...] Here is two links if you want to try my weird way of doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITHbsUUlYI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Innx3puNI I use

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: On 2012-12-18, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:08:53 -0500

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: [...] What about just mounting /usr as soon

[gentoo-user] Re: ALSA mixer as a capture device with Intel HDA cards

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-23, »Q« wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 01:59:50 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: Hello, Today, I got a bit curious, and wanted to get some sound from a computer which does not have any speakers at the moment. Mostly for fun, I thought about using arecord and then

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: [...] What about just

[gentoo-user] Re: Questions about optimal mplayer settings

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 03:38:15PM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 19.12.2012 00:20, schrieb Walter Dnes: 1) In the past couple of days I finally figured out what I was doing wrong with hardware acceleration (causing lack thereof) with an onboard Intel GPU in my HTPC machine. I've applied

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:23:35AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: snip, whack, d200d, cough, spit Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of attachments? pastebins? Your dropbox postings lost me after reading: Please enable browser-cookies to use the Dropbox website. --

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva)

[gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Teodor Spæren
Hello! I am trying to install gentoo on an old armada m700. The specs that I think is relevant for this problem is the clocking speed of the cpu and the ram. It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added 512mb of swap since I knew the ram was going to be a problem. The command

Re: [gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Jason Weisberger
There is absolutely no reason why you can't use the vanilla kernel. Go right ahead. On Dec 24, 2012 10:08 AM, Teodor Spæren teodor.s...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello! I am trying to install gentoo on an old armada m700. The specs that I think is relevant for this problem is the clocking speed of

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
It was in fact a weirdo corner case since day 1. Right, a weirdo corner case that is part of best practice and the default suggestion on debian stable used on many many servers and for good reason. -- ___ 'Write programs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there is only the system, and it is an atomic unit. You should really read the thread before posting. --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
You are only considering the case of /usr being on a plain hard disk partition, what if it in on an LVM volume, or encrypted (or both) of mounted over the network? All of these require something to be run before they can be mounted, and if that cannot be run until udev has started, we

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: [snip] Well, so far I have stuck with the udev that works without a init thingy. I do have a init thingy for when the udev that requires it is marked stable. The devs are keeping the

[gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-24, Teodor Spæren wrote: Hello! I am trying to install gentoo on an old armada m700. The specs that I think is relevant for this problem is the clocking speed of the cpu and the ram. It got 223mhz of clocking speed and 116mb ram. I have added 512mb of swap since I knew the ram

RE: [gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Teodor Spæren
Ohh! Thanks a lot :) Still it would have been useful to know what was causing it to go out of memory.

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:35:20AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of attachments? pastebins? I was under the impression that gentoo strips attachments. At any rate, I summarized as much as possible and only put the the full logs at

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: On 2012-12-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:22:24 +0200

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Kevin Chadwick wrote: Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there is only the system, and it is an atomic unit. You should really read the thread before posting. I suspect that Alan has. Alan is

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Teodor Spæren
From: nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem! Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:32:54 +0200 No surprise here, from what I can see, what's happening is that *emerge* is running out of memory, it's not a compilation, so -pipe or MAKEOPTS won't make any difference here. Are you,

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-24, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: [...] From my understanding, if I upgrade my system to the later version of udev and bypass the init system, my system will not boot. I have not tested

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
fe...@crowfix.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 08:35:20AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of attachments? pastebins? I was under the impression that gentoo strips attachments. At any rate, I summarized as much as possible and only

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2012-12-24, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2012-12-24, Dale wrote: [...] From my understanding, if I upgrade my system to the later version

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 07:41:10AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: I was under the impression that gentoo strips attachments. At any rate, I summarized as much as possible and only put the the full logs at the end. As for the cookies, shrug so many sites require cookies and/or javascript

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: you wouldn't have this problem if you did *something else* is a terrible response. There are very good reasons to use LVM. There are good (IMO, at least) reasons to avoid using an initr* on Gentoo. (Those reasons are sprinkled through the thread, some spoken by me, some

Re: [gentoo-user] Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:05:44PM +0100, Teodor Spæren wrote: The possible work around I have thought of is just getting the vanilla kernel from kernel.org, but the gentoo wiki advise against it, since gentoo-sources is a patched kernel. With all due respect, Gentoo is the only distro

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Michael Mol wrote: you wouldn't have this problem if you did *something else* is a terrible response. There are very good reasons to use LVM. There are good (IMO, at least) reasons to avoid using an initr* on Gentoo. (Those reasons are sprinkled through the thread, some spoken by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:52:27PM +0100, Teodor Spæren wrote: That is my concern. If I get it working with a vanilla kernel, and then booting into the system, emerge do not work, it was all wasted. You may want to consider a swap file:

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:07:04AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: Would you consider our own pastebin from portage? Sure, in progress. I'll have to read up on this pastebin stuff. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Dec 24, 2012 10:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I have not tested the theory but that is what people have been saying. Not only is my /usr separate but it is on LVM partitons too. If I recall correctly, easy repartitioning was supposed to be one of the main reasons wy LVM was made

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote: Now, also, from my understanding, this was already the case for some time (maybe even years?). And that's why I've asked for more details. So, if the udev you use is OK with no initrd, what is in the new udev that actually

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Dale wrote: Michael Mol wrote: you wouldn't have this problem if you did *something else* is a terrible response. There are very good reasons to use LVM. There are good (IMO, at least) reasons to avoid using an initr* on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:25:02AM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Dec 24, 2012 10:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I have not tested the theory but that is what people have been saying. Not only is my /usr separate but it is on LVM partitons too. If I recall correctly, easy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
content omitted from reply This time it has 4 attachments; afaik there were zero attachments the first time (deleted email here so can't check now). No worries, files here now. Do you have a /var/log/messages (might be in rotated, gzipped one even) that includes the 3.6.10 *and* 3.7.1 boot? --

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:07:04AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: emerge -av app-text/wgetpaste wgetpaste /path/to/3.6/.config /path/to/3.7/.config 3.6.10 .config -- http://bpaste.net/show/66307/ 3.7.1 .config -- http://bpaste.net/show/66309/ Also can you dmesg | wgetpaste and note the uname

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 07:41:10AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: I was under the impression that gentoo strips attachments. At any rate, I summarized as much as possible and only put the the full logs at the end. Looks like the attachments got thru. I will try to remember that. --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 24, 2012 11:46 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote: Now, also, from my understanding, this was already the case for some time (maybe even years?). And that's why I've asked for more details. So, if

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: Lay off the eggnog, Dale. Too early yet. :P -- :wq For me it is NyQuil. I'm still battling the flu. I'm kicking butt but getting mine kicked at the same time. Other than NyQuil, no alcohol here. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: SNIP No initrd... YET!!! ROFL When eudev goes stable, then we can disregard that yet. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:05:25AM -0600, Dale wrote: Bruce Hill wrote: SNIP No initrd... YET!!! ROFL When eudev goes stable, then we can disregard that yet. ;-) Dale devfs still works wonderfully ... for principle, if no other reason, that file server will *NEVER* have an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:53:34AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: This time it has 4 attachments; afaik there were zero attachments the first time (deleted email here so can't check now). No worries, files here now. Yes, I originally sent no attachments, since I thought the mailing list stripped

[gentoo-user] Looks like a nasty bug in portage .38

2012-12-24 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
I'm on ~amd64. Updated portage in the morning. But it seems the .38 version has a nasty bug. It freezes the system every single time I try to compile a cross tool chain. I tried with various options, like reducing make jobs, etc, but didn't help. Back to .31 and things seem to be moving better.

[gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp

2012-12-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-12-24, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Monday 24 December 2012 09:24:16 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-12-23, luis jure l...@internet.com.uy wrote: on 2012-12-22 at 17:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: Now, imagine you are the guy at Samsung deciding what features the S2

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:23:35AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: snip, whack, d200d, cough, spit Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff in an email. Have you heard of attachments? pastebins? Felix,

Re: [gentoo-user] 3.7.1 SATA errors

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:23:35AM -0800, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: snip, whack, d200d, cough, spit Puhleeeze don't put such long stuff

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-12-24, Nilesh Govindrajan m...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Monday 24 December 2012 09:24:16 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: I'm glad they chose MTP: I want my phone to continue to work while I'm transferring files.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:58:15 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So, Nuno, everything was fine until they started moving things to a place where it shouldn't be. No Dale, that is just flat out wrong. There is no such thing as place where stuff should be. There are only conventions, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:05:25AM -0600, Dale wrote: Bruce Hill wrote: SNIP No initrd... YET!!! ROFL When eudev goes stable, then we can disregard that yet. ;-) Dale devfs still works wonderfully

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Ram Problem!

2012-12-24 Thread Teodor Spæren
You may want to consider a swap file: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ I have already done this. I had some problems trying to compile gcc, so I learned it then. NB: I don't know how well it's going to help with Gentoo. It's been close to a decade, if not longer,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:58:15 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So, Nuno, everything was fine until they started moving things to a place where it shouldn't be. No Dale, that is just flat out wrong. There is no such thing as place where stuff should be. There are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init

Re: [gentoo-user] problem with lilo and one of my kernels

2012-12-24 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 09:27:13PM -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 05:40:05AM -0500, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote Hi. Today on one of my test kernels where I am using git bisect to find a bug, I got the following when

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. I don't want a init

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. No you don't. You could use a boot partition. Or grub2. So, worked for ages, then it breaks when people change where they put things. Answer is, don't change where you put things. Then

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:00:39 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:58:15 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: So, Nuno, everything was fine until they started moving things to a place where it shouldn't be. No Dale, that is just flat

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. No you don't. You could use a boot partition. Or grub2. I don't remember reading /boot as a suggested

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. No you don't. You could use a boot partition. Or grub2. So, worked for ages, then it breaks when people change where they put things. Answer is, don't change

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 01:23:16PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to resize easily.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread William Kenworthy
On 24/12/12 23:52, Dale wrote: Kevin Chadwick wrote: Are there any other cases, apart from emotional attachment based on inertia, where a separate / and /usr are desirable? As I see it, there is only the system, and it is an atomic unit. You should really read the thread before posting. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:36:06PM -0600, Dale wrote: One of the reasons I left Mandriva was because of the init thingy. If I wanted one and liked having one, I would have never switched to Gentoo. The init thingy was not the only reason but it was one of them. The reason I do not want

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue. Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken. The explanation given as much as a year earlier was that udev couldn't control what *other*

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue. Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken. The explanation given as much as a year earlier was that udev couldn't

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread »Q«
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram filesystem) became vogue for the Gentoo camp, rather than initrd (initial ram disk

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP One of the reasons I left Mandriva was because of the init thingy. If I wanted one and liked having one, I would have never switched to Gentoo. The init thingy was not the only reason but it was one of them. The reason I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue. Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken. The

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram filesystem) became vogue

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:05:25AM -0600, Dale wrote: Bruce Hill wrote: SNIP No initrd... YET!!! ROFL When eudev goes stable, then we can disregard that yet. ;-) Dale devfs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:34:00PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: I'm also interested in Bruce's history about initrd. Sounds like if that worked today I'd just use it to make an initrd and be done with it. Unlike you, I guess, I don't have any political position on these images that get used

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram filesystem) became vogue for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:54:08PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, »Q« boxc...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. Somewhere, sometime,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: Fair enough. I don't agree that leaving Gentoo because you chose to put all of /usr on LVM and then chose not to deal with the implications of that over time, but it's your choice and I certainly support choice. And I appreciate you communicating your POV. I'm also

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 06:29:07PM -0600, »Q« wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram filesystem)

[gentoo-user] Implicit udev dependancy in Gentoo? and workaround.

2012-12-24 Thread Walter Dnes
I'm asking questions here before filing a bug/reature-request, to make sure I have my ducks in a row. I did a big update a couple of days ago. As per the user in... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7168984.html I too ran into a situation where I couldn't open any xterms because /dev/pts

Re: [gentoo-user] Implicit udev dependancy in Gentoo? and workaround.

2012-12-24 Thread William Kenworthy
On 25/12/12 11:21, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm asking questions here before filing a bug/reature-request, to make sure I have my ducks in a row. I did a big update a couple of days ago. As per the user in... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7168984.html I too ran into a situation where I

Re: [gentoo-user] Implicit udev dependancy in Gentoo? and workaround.

2012-12-24 Thread William Kenworthy
On 25/12/12 11:21, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm asking questions here before filing a bug/reature-request, to make sure I have my ducks in a row. I did a big update a couple of days ago. As per the user in... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7168984.html I too ran into a situation where I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-24 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 25, 2012 1:55 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:58:15 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The truth is simply this (derived from empirical observation): Long ago we had established conventions about / and /usr; mostly because the few

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp

2012-12-24 Thread Daniel Frey
On 12/23/2012 03:22 PM, luis jure wrote: well, it seems i have been very lucky indeed. i just emerged jmtpfs as per mark's suggestion, and it just worked. i just created a /media/galaxy directory, and an entry in fstab (like yours, but with jmtpfs instead of mtpfs) and that was it. now i can

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? - what was wron with SysVInit?

2012-12-24 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 12/24/2012 10:56 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote: Even back when hard disks are a mote in the eyes of today's mammoths, you *can* make /usr part of /, there's no stopping you. Sure, other SysAdmins may scoff and/or question your sanity, but the choice is yours. YOU know what's best for your