Hi,
On 10/04/2011 03:08 PM, ext Tom Swindell wrote:
OBS is built with packaging in mind, so it builds packages locally and
on servers in a sanitized environment. Scratchbox may be polluted by
whatever packages a developer has installed and makes dependency
tracking a bit harder IMO.
OBS and
Hi,
On 10/04/2011 12:06 PM, ext Jon Nordby wrote:
Yes, one would want Scratchbox or similar in addition to what OBS
provides. However, there is nothing that prevents Scratchbox from being
used together with RPM and an RPM based distro is there?
You need some support for RPM tools in SB and
Hi to all,
I'm only a lurker of Meego mailing lists and I have never contributed
to the project, but this time I would like to write some words about.
* That primary customers of the platform are device vendors - not end-users.
I think that this point in Mer Project or in any other branch/fork
2011/10/6 d4lamar d4la...@gmail.com:
* That primary customers of the platform are device vendors - not end-users.
I think that this point in Mer Project or in any other branch/fork of
Meego is to be corrected.
Vendors come and vendors go, they don't care about Community as long
as they can
On Thursday 06 October 2011 07:33:24 Carsten Munk wrote:
We have chosen to move out the hardware adaptations and UX'es out of
the core, into the community surrounding it, to get rid of a lot of
politics - to concentrate on what's technically good and benefits us
all - not having to maintain
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Graham Cobb g+me...@cobb.uk.net wrote:
My personal view (which is partly based on my marketing job) is that you have
to start off focused on a very visible end user experience in order to get the
project the necessary publicity. For your own governance reasons
Hi,
sorry for re-sending this Jeremiah, but I've missed that this mail was
not sent to the list, my bad.
2011/10/4 Jeremiah Foster jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com:
...
Can a mobile
segment distro like MeeGo be really compared with a desktop segment
distro like e.g. embedded Ubuntu? (This is
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Stefan Werden stefan.wer...@open-slx.dewrote:
Jeremiah Foster jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com hat am 4. Oktober 2011 um
20:42
geschrieben:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Stefan Werden
stefan.wer...@open-slx.dewrote:
Hi,
switching to debian would
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Samuel Stirtzel
s.stirt...@googlemail.com wrote:
2011/10/4 Jeremiah Foster jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com:
Can a mobile
segment distro like MeeGo be really compared with a desktop segment
distro like e.g. embedded Ubuntu? (This is not relative to your
Again, I agree with the project, if Mer can resurrect Maemo/MeeGo then I
am all for it!
On 04/10/2011 08:57, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
ma, 2011-10-03 kello 19:09 +0100, Si Howard kirjoitti:
I'm for that! Wasn't the Mer project part of the Maemo 5.0 porting to
the Nokia N8X0 platform?
That's one
2011/10/5 Jeremiah Foster jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com:
Distrowatch are server and dektop disties. The special thing in MeeGo was
that
the focus was on emerging devices.
And how exactly did it do that? By using Connman? By using an embedded
Linux kernel? Btrfs? By being small? What exactly
Carsten, David and Robin,
Thank you very much for this proposal and work already done and started. This
single post alone convinces me that we have not wasted any work on MeeGo (ce),
and that it in fact will have bright future ahead, no matter of the name of the
project , the products based on
ma, 2011-10-03 kello 19:09 +0100, Si Howard kirjoitti:
I'm for that! Wasn't the Mer project part of the Maemo 5.0 porting to
the Nokia N8X0 platform?
That's one way of putting it, but it was indeed about reconstructing
Maemo so that it worked as a whole distribution. That then made possible
to
Hello,
I think one of the things with the MeeGo was that it was a downgrade in
development environment, CI systems and everything from our
Maemo. All that has been made for debian based distro and the change to the
rpm does not make slightest sense. The debian based distro and everything
that
I just think it would have been better if we (The Nokia linux
organization and the fans) did not have to go through the MeeGo
hurdle, and as you say in detail, look at harmattan and how slick and
beautiful is as a product. (I use it in N950 as my everyday phone and
no *other* OS/ device even comes
Hi Karoliina,
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:53 AM, karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com
karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Killing scratchbox without a replacement (OBS is not a replacement!) is not
very
good choice.
MeeGo was theoretically usable in qemu, unfortunately, I don't think a
lot of
On 10/04/11 11:07, Sivan Greenberg wrote:
I just think it would have been better if we (The Nokia linux
organization and the fans) did not have to go through the MeeGo
hurdle, and as you say in detail, look at harmattan and how slick and
beautiful is as a product. (I use it in N950 as my
Hi Sivan ( others),
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote:
Again, why don't we forget reinventing the infrastructure in the price
of using debs (which is a known a loved format for embedded computing
everywhere, and since RPM and DEBs are just a way of
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Robin Burchell
robin+me...@viroteck.net wrote:
OBS is a very useful tool, just not for the purposes you were
apparently forced to use it for. I've used it for the commit, push
package, wait for build failure type development cycle as well, and I
agree, it's
2011/10/4 Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Robin Burchell
robin+me...@viroteck.net wrote:
OBS is a very useful tool, just not for the purposes you were
apparently forced to use it for. I've used it for the commit, push
package, wait for build failure type
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Robin Burchell
robin+me...@viroteck.net wrote:
it can be looked at. We've chosen the approach of minimal change
because it means we have a working system with less effort.
I realize this, does this mean that once we find someone to sponsor
the servers we just
On 10/04/2011 12:06 PM, Jon Nordby wrote:
Don't go around trying to changing everything if what you're missing is
just Scratchbox.
I also liked the Scratchbox, despite the problems.
For MeeGo stuff I use this (ARM chroot created from the osc local build):
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote:
Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but only when
you're doing Debian and Debian only. OBS is different in many
different ways and allows a proper productization environment as well
as growing an
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.comwrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote:
Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but only when
you're doing Debian and Debian only.
Except it was built by Canonical for
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:53 AM, karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com
karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
This is just my 0.02 cents. I would think it should be done like this:
- Take the debian based distro and development environment (that works) as
a basis. It works. Look at
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Jeremiah Foster
jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com
wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org wrote:
Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 13:58 +0200, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com
wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk
cars...@maemo.org wrote:
Long story short: buildd and launchpad is very useful but
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Tom Swindell t.swind...@rubyx.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 13:58 +0200, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com
wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Munk
cars...@maemo.org
2011/10/4 karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com karoliina.t.salmi...@gmail.com:
Hello,
I think one of the things with the MeeGo was that it was a downgrade in
development environment, CI systems and everything from our
Maemo.
So, for good measure - those CI systems were never open source or
published
Other reasons for keeping OBS include trying to change as little as
possible from what MeeGo has done. So those vendors that are possibly
already accustomed and are currently using MeeGo facilities, like OBS.
Can easily migrate to Mer. There really isn't much point in debating
this, Carsten has
OBS is a very useful tool, just not for the purposes you were
apparently forced to use it for. I've used it for the commit, push
package, wait for build failure type development cycle as well, and I
agree, it's far from optimal - but for easily making heavily
There are couple of ways to speed
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Jeremiah Foster
jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com wrote:
I think what Carsten means by growing an organisation organically is
that OBS allows multiple users to create their own repositories, it
allows us to separate different projects into different repositories
Hi,
maybe I'm wrong but the Scratchbox mailing lists looks pretty dead
right now (see [1]). Is there any community alive behind it, or should
the new MeeGo project reanimate Scratchbox if it would be used?
2011/10/4 Jeremiah Foster jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com:
OBS is built with packaging in
2011/10/4 Samuel Stirtzel s.stirt...@googlemail.com:
Before it was just big companies that could create their own Linux distros
(before that everyone had their bespoke UNIX distro) nowadays fragmentation
is brought to you by every Tom, Dick and Harry with an OBS login.
I've been down the
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Samuel Stirtzel
s.stirt...@googlemail.comwrote:
[snip]
2011/10/4 Jeremiah Foster jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com:
OBS is built with packaging in mind, so it builds packages locally and
on servers in a sanitized environment. Scratchbox may be polluted by
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Stefan Werden stefan.wer...@open-slx.dewrote:
Hi,
switching to debian would mean making a complete new projekt.
Nope, it would merely mean adding software to the Debian project, it
wouldn't require a new project at all. Debian would host the infrastructure
(it
2011/10/3 Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org
Hi all,
Our solution is the Mer Project:
Excellent! count me in.
A few questions about the project's communication channels? Do we use these
MeeGo mailing list, the meego-* IRC channels or are we moving somewhere?
(IMO moving to mer-specific channels
2011/10/3 Timo Härkönen timop.harko...@gmail.com:
2011/10/3 Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org
Hi all,
Our solution is the Mer Project:
Excellent! count me in.
A few questions about the project's communication channels? Do we use these
MeeGo mailing list, the meego-* IRC channels or are
Carsten Hi,
Your aims are why I was draw to MeeGo in the first place and its good to see
you aiming even higher.
'We will continue to welcome contribution and participation from the
hacker community - in fact we aim to make it so easy to port to a new
vendor device that a single hacker could do
From: Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org
To: meego-dev meego-dev@meego.com; meego-comm...@meego.com
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:01 AM
Subject: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for
MeeGo
Hi all,
MeeGo is dead ... long live Tizen
Hi,
-Original Message-
From: Randall Arnold
From: Carsten Munk cars...@maemo.org
To: meego-dev meego-dev@meego.com; meego-comm...@meego.com
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:01 AM
Subject: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and
direction for MeeGo
Hi all,
MeeGo is dead
Hi,
Sounds great! Count me in.
--
Iekku
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boun...@meego.com] On Behalf Of ext Carsten Munk
Sent: 03 October, 2011 09:01
To: meego-dev; meego-comm...@meego.com
Subject: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of
Il 10/03/2011 09:01 AM, Carsten Munk ha scritto:
The goal is to find a truly sustainable way for MeeGo and other
interested communities to work with Tizen.
Our solution is the Mer Project:
[...]
That's fantastic! I can't make any promises, as free time is an
obsolete concept for me, but I'll
Hi,
+1 Nicola
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Hi all,
MeeGo is dead ... long live Tizen !! -
I'm for that! Wasn't the Mer project part of the Maemo 5.0 porting to
the Nokia N8X0 platform?
On 03/10/2011 07:01, Carsten Munk wrote:
Hi all,
MeeGo is dead ... long live Tizen !! - Haven't we heard that before? -
Maemo, Moblin?
We need a community that transcends the mere branding of
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