Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-12-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/30/2014 13:52, Darren Addy wrote: the a7s performance has me thinking about selling a kidney. The body isn't terribly priced (at all, IMHO) but ... I think, I should invoke Mark here. Mark! :-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-12-30 Thread Darren Addy
Rather than start a new OT Sony thread, I think I'll just resurrect this one. I continue to be a wee bit fascinated by what Sony is doing with their a7 line. Despite the similar naming convention, they aren't the same camera (at all) but each seem to have a radically different sensor inside and

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-12-30 Thread Mark Roberts
Darren Addy wrote: Rather than start a new OT Sony thread, I think I'll just resurrect this one. Gosh. Thanks. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-12-30 Thread Zos Xavius
Actually most lenses that aren't retrofocus put out a fairly flat field. Longer lenses are telecentric by design. The curved sensor approach doesn't work with telecentric lenses since the light rays are all parallel. You need a matched lens to get real benefit from it and the benefit comes in

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-12-30 Thread Darren Addy
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Darren Addy wrote: Rather than start a new OT Sony thread, I think I'll just resurrect this one. Gosh. Thanks. Some people care enough to recycle reuse and some don't. :) :) :) -- Life is too short to put up

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-28 Thread Mark Roberts
On November 27, 2014 5:21:11 PM EST, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/11/2014 10:55 AM, J C OConnell wrote: I dont think the $1500 cameras are for beginners who dont know anything about cameras and lenses. They may not be for beginners but beginners buy them in droves. I hang out

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-28 Thread Larry Colen
But will it stimulate your aperture? I have a couple of drawers worth of manual focus glass in a variety of mounts, so of I was willing to spend $1700 to be able to use several hundred dollars worth of obsolete lenses without buying film, this might be a good camera for me. On November 27,

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Darren Addy wrote: By now you have probably seen the Sony announcement for the 24.3 MP a7ii full frame with in-body 5-axis image stabilization. This camera is has specs that are pretty close to what I expected from a first Pentax FF camera, and I think the most surprising thing about it the price

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread J C OConnell
pentax is not in direct competition with the sony a7ii because pentax is a DSLR with a k mount, and the sony is a mirrorless with a sony mount. On 11/27/2014 12:15 AM, Darren Addy wrote: By now you have probably seen the Sony announcement for the 24.3 MP a7ii full frame with in-body 5-axis

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Zos Xavius
The A7 has been disruptive and this will prove even more so. I know more than a few photographers that are buying them or are seriously considering it. Adding IBIS kind of seals the deal for many people. I'd be more interested if their were more affordable native lens options. Part of what has

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/11/14, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: pentax is not in direct competition with the sony a7ii because pentax is a DSLR with a k mount, and the sony is a mirrorless with a sony mount. With the greatest of respect, if I am in the market to buy a good camera with a kit lens, in

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread J C OConnell
If all you want is a camera and kit lens, might as well buy a point and shoot if your buying with intent to buy multiple lenses, then the mount matters because its the lens system your stuck with. On 11/27/2014 11:02 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 27/11/14, J C OConnell, discombobulated,

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Darren Addy
Point taken, Cotty. I would imagine that JC is speaking from the perspective of someone who already has an inventory of Pentax glass. And in that case he may be right if one puts the emphasis on his use of the word direct. However, and short flange to sensor mirrorless camera that has an adapter

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/11/14, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: If all you want is a camera and kit lens, might as well buy a point and shoot if your buying with intent to buy multiple lenses, then the mount matters because its the lens system your stuck with. I want to buy a good camera with a

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread J C OConnell
I dont think the $1500 cameras are for beginners who dont know anything about cameras and lenses. jco On 11/27/2014 11:37 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 27/11/14, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: If all you want is a camera and kit lens, might as well buy a point and shoot if your

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Darren Addy
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:55 AM, J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net wrote: I dont think the $1500 cameras are for beginners who dont know anything about cameras and lenses. If you worked in one of the (rapidly dwindling) camera stores around the country, or spent some time observing in one, I

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 27, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Darren Addy wrote: By now you have probably seen the Sony announcement for the 24.3 MP a7ii full frame with in-body 5-axis image stabilization. This camera is has specs that are pretty close to what I expected from

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: I put it to you that Pentax is in direct competition with Sony and all of the above makes. The A7 would make a great body for your beloved Pentax 16 and 85 mm lenses... G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Darren Addy
Just one other thought regarding the a7ii and contrasting with Pentax... Sony's announcing this camera prior to Black Friday and then announcing that it will be available/shipping for the holiday season will result in a lot of additional sales for them. Pentax NEVER seems to release products with

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/11/14, J C OConnell, discombobulated, unleashed: I dont think the $1500 cameras are for beginners who dont know anything about cameras and lenses. There ya go again! There are plenty of people out there who know nothing about photography who will pay that. Just like there are plenty of

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/11/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: The A7 would make a great body for your beloved Pentax 16 and 85 mm lenses... Actually I sold the K15/3.5 but I would consider buying the camera just for use with the A85/1.4 purely as a portrait rig. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 27, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: The A7 would make a great body for your beloved Pentax 16 and 85 mm lenses... Actually I sold the K15/3.5 but I would consider buying the camera just for use with the A85/1.4 purely as a portrait rig. You'd like it. I use

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Bill
On 27/11/2014 9:26 AM, J C OConnell wrote: pentax is not in direct competition with the sony a7ii because pentax is a DSLR with a k mount, and the sony is a mirrorless with a sony mount. Sony is, however, in direct competition with Pentax for camera body sales to people who want to use

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Bill
On 27/11/2014 10:55 AM, J C OConnell wrote: I dont think the $1500 cameras are for beginners who dont know anything about cameras and lenses. They may not be for beginners but beginners buy them in droves. I hang out ona forum dedicated to Fuji Mirrorless these days, there are a lot of rank

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread J C OConnell
NO as always, anyone who posts an opposing opinion to yours is called ignorant. Im sick of your postsYour last sentence was not necessary. On 11/27/2014 5:21 PM, Bill wrote: On 27/11/2014 10:55 AM, J C OConnell wrote: I dont think the $1500 cameras are for beginners who dont know anything

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Bill
On 27/11/2014 4:50 PM, J C OConnell wrote: NO as always, anyone who posts an opposing opinion to yours is called ignorant. No John, just the ignorant ones. Im sick of your posts Why don't you stop reading them then Your last sentence was not necessary. Your tasteless and opinionated

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Stanley Halpin
On Nov 27, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/11/2014 4:50 PM, J C OConnell wrote: NO as always, anyone who posts an opposing opinion to yours is called ignorant. No John, just the ignorant ones. Im sick of your posts Why don't you stop reading them then

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread John
On 11/27/2014 12:15 AM, Darren Addy wrote: By now you have probably seen the Sony announcement for the 24.3 MP a7ii full frame with in-body 5-axis image stabilization. This camera is has specs that are pretty close to what I expected from a first Pentax FF camera, and I think the most surprising

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread John
On 11/27/2014 6:14 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: On Nov 27, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/11/2014 4:50 PM, J C OConnell wrote: NO as always, anyone who posts an opposing opinion to yours is called ignorant. No John, just the ignorant ones. Im sick of your

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Paul
On 11/27/2014 5:14 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: Ah, ’tis the holiday season filled with good cheer and never-ending family squabbles about who it was that broke Gramma’s favorite relish dish 27 years ago and whose turn it is to wash the pots after dinner. Better than watching football on the

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-27 Thread Stanley Halpin
On Nov 28, 2014, at 12:05 AM, Paul pentax1...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/27/2014 5:14 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: Ah, ’tis the holiday season filled with good cheer and never-ending family squabbles about who it was that broke Gramma’s favorite relish dish 27 years ago and whose turn it is

Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-26 Thread Darren Addy
By now you have probably seen the Sony announcement for the 24.3 MP a7ii full frame with in-body 5-axis image stabilization. This camera is has specs that are pretty close to what I expected from a first Pentax FF camera, and I think the most surprising thing about it the price of $1698 for the

Re: Sony a7ii puts the squeeze on a possible Pentax FF

2014-11-26 Thread Paul Ewins
The last rumour I heard on the subject (from a pro photographer with strong links to the local distributor) was 36mp and to be called Spotmatic! Of course who knows how much *his* source actually knows and how much is speculation. Paul Ewins Melbourne, Australia On 27 Nov 2014, at 4:15 pm,