Re: PESO: Wild Oats

2006-07-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/18/2006 7:42:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll be pleased to see your treatment if you'd like. :))

Jack
===
As promised.

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/wildoats2.jpg

But I think the adjustments I made are so minor that there is little real 
difference between it and your original. In other words, I didn't really 
improve 
it. :-)

There was not much detail to bring up.

Later, Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

2006-07-19 Thread David Mann
On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=138

I like the extra streaks at the left of the first one, but I also  
think that the second one works very well.

I think I'd prefer a touch less saturation, but that's just me.

- Dave


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Re: Adobe Lightroom for Windows (almost) available now

2006-07-19 Thread John Francis


No - that didn't work at the time I tried it - that was a
broken link to a page on the Macromedia web site.  It has
now been replaced by a working link to a page on the Adobe
site (and the link now says Download Macintosh or Windows
Beta).  As I said, the email was alittle premature; they
hadn't quite finished updating the links on the web pages.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 11:47:55PM -0500, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 John -
 
 After you get to the browser screen that the link in the e-mail takes 
 you to, click on the link that says download the Mac beta.  You will 
 sign in, answer a few survey questions, then get to a page with links to 
 download either the Mac or the Windows beta.  I've got it downloaded and 
 installed, but it's too late to play with it tonight.  Will have to wait 
 'til tomorrow.
 
 -P
 
 John Francis wrote:
  Adobe have just announced the availability of a Beta version
  of Lightroom fow Windows.   The announcement seems to be a bit
  premature - the link in the announcement email doesn't quite
  work - but I expect it to be downloadable Real Soon Now (TM).
  
  I'm looking forward to trying this product.
  
  
 
 
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Re: Pentax telephoto lens mount

2006-07-19 Thread David Mann
On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Tom Reese wrote:

 For those who haven't seen the Pentax collars, the foot has a  
 removable metal plate with a standard tripod thread in the center  
 of it. The foot also has two smaller holes that could be useful to  
 stabilize the lens if anyone made a QR plate with the proper  
 hardware to take advantage of them. I see a market for a QR plate  
 with two metal pins to fit the smaller holes and the usual screw  
 with tripod thread. The metal pins would be useful to keep the lens  
 from rotating around the tripod screw.

I drilled a Manfrotto hex plate, threaded the hole, then put a short  
M4 screw through it with some superglue to stop it from ever coming  
back out.  It fits both the F*300 and FA*400 lenses, but I had to do  
a separate plate for the 6x7 as the hole spacings are different.

I didn't do it to stabilise the lens though: I did it because the  
stupid Manfrotto plates I have are coated with cork (later versions  
use rubber).  It doesn't matter how much you tighten them, as  
anything heavy will always come loose.  The extra screw stops the  
lens from twisting any more than a fraction of a degree.

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Re: PESO -- Angst on the Rocks (I and II)

2006-07-19 Thread Jay Taylor
PJ,
I like the first one much better than the second. For me it just has  
more interest throughout the frame. I don't see the girl as the  
subject so much in this one as the setting.
If the distant island wasn't there it would not work as well, but I   
just sense something special about the place and the relationship  
between all the elements seems to work together quite well.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote:

 My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot
 more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for
 me. I'd *consider* the upcoming  70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if
 I didn't already have the 77!)
Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their  
faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as  
having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller,  
lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm...

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Re: PESO - Jump

2006-07-19 Thread DagT
.-)

That was a nicely phrased warning. I think something like Warning:  
naked child would only make things worse for those who DID look.

OK, maybe I should have warned you, sorry about that. It´s just that  
the thought didn´t occure to me.  I´ve seen naked children running  
around in many parts of the world, and in many cultures.  I think the  
US is the only place were it can get you into trouble.

In principle I think too much self censoring in cases like this is to  
accept the US rules in the rest of the world.  It is a kind of  
cultural imperialism.  This is an international list.  Does that mean  
that we should follow all the cultural dependent taboos in each  
country, or that the users of this list should do as they do when  
they travel abroad and just accept that the rules are different here?

On the other hand we do not want friends on the list to get into  
trouble.  That is how the self censoring works.  Catch 22.

In my view this is just an innocent child and if someone manages to  
thinks anything perverted in relation to it the problem is in their  
minds.

And thanks for the comments!

DagT


Den 19. jul. 2006 kl. 01.42 skrev Paul Stenquist:

 I agree that it's a beautiful photo of an innocent child. But that
 being said, I don't want to lose my job. So a warning would be nice.
 Not Office Friendly is a common and effective one.
 Paul
 On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:11 PM, Bob W wrote:

 Well, you know what, the more you accept their view of things the  
 more
 they'll impose it on you.

 It's a beautiful, innocent picture of a kid having fun, and we should
 all celebrate and enjoy that - there's so little of it left in the
 world.

 Anyone who thinks otherwise is a twisted pervert and should go screw
 themselves rather than waste all our time with their mean little
 minds.

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 Cheers,
  Bob

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom C
 Sent: 18 July 2006 23:51
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: PESO - Jump

 Looking at those kind of photos over here will get us in
 trouble, especially
 if one pulls it up on a corporate PC as I did, and there
 happens to be a
 nosy corporate spy.

 Tom C.



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 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:28 +0100

 Great photo!

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 Cheers,
  Bob

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 Behalf Of DagT
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 Subject: PESO - Jump

 Just a summer picture:
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689

 *istD and DA 14mm 2.8

 DagT

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Re: PESO - Jump

2006-07-19 Thread DagT

Den 19. jul. 2006 kl. 06.38 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 In a message dated 7/18/2006 3:24:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:
 Just a summer picture:
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=247689

 *istD and DA 14mm 2.8

 DagT
 ===
 Gotta say my first reaction to this is that looks dangerous. Kept  
 looking for
 the water. Didn't find any.

 Nice carefree stuff, but watch out -- it may turn into a painting.

 Marnie aka Doe eg


:-)

Thanks Marnie!

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Re: Re: ZX-5n

2006-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/07/18 Tue PM 10:47:01 GMT
 To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: ZX-5n
 
 On 18/7/06, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I am considering selling my only film camera body as I am so happy with 
 digital. If anyone is interested I will give you a good price.
 
 It's official: film is dead.
 

That depends on whether the price is good for the buyer or the seller..


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Re: PESO - Jump

2006-07-19 Thread David Savage
Shouldn't you be working instead of browsing the PDML?

vbg

Dave (at work)

On 7/19/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I agree that it's a beautiful photo of an innocent child. But that
 being said, I don't want to lose my job. So a warning would be nice.
 Not Office Friendly is a common and effective one.
 Paul

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread David Savage
At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote:
On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote:

  My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot
  more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for
  me. I'd *consider* the upcoming  70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if
  I didn't already have the 77!)
Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their
faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as
having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller,
lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm...


They're cheaper because they're slower.

I bet if they had made it f1.9, it would be similarly priced to it's full 
frame big brothers. Admittedly it would be physically larger  weightier as 
well

Cheers,

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Re: ZX-5n

2006-07-19 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Walter Hamler wrote:

 I am considering selling my only film camera body as I am so happy with
 digital. If anyone is interested I will give you a good price.

 Is film dead?
 I dunno, but my MZ-S on eBay has had 7 bids and met the $500.00
 reserve price in only two days.

I told you it would sell. :-) I struggled for well over a year to find 
one in my price range.

The MZ-S is irresistible; although I miss the Z-1p wheels, it will be 
my last film camera.

Kostas

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 19.07.2006, at 11:06 , David Savage wrote:

 They're cheaper because they're slower.

 I bet if they had made it f1.9, it would be similarly priced to  
 it's full
 frame big brothers. Admittedly it would be physically larger   
 weightier as
 well
Exactly - that's what we're talking about :-) If they were faster  
they wouldn't be pancakes - really small and affordable but  
excellent optically and beautifully built lenses. That's the idea of  
new Limiteds - highly portable set of top primes at the expense of  
maximum aperture.

Cheers,
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote:

 At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote:
 On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote:

 My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot
 more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for
 me. I'd *consider* the upcoming  70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if
 I didn't already have the 77!)
 Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their
 faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as
 having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller,
 lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm...

 They're cheaper because they're slower.

They also cover a smaller image-circle.

And there may be thousands other differentiations between these 
lenses. On spec only you cannot tell why one is cheaper than another. 
Take the 24-90 and the latest 28-105 as examples; both 3.75x zooms, at 
comparable FLs with comparable apertures, yet the prices are so 
different.

But I stronbly object to Sylwek's (of all people) comparison of the 31 
with the 21 on the grounds that if you mount one on a horse it gives 
you the same fart as if you mount the other on a pig or sth.

Kostas

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread David Savage
On 7/19/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 19.07.2006, at 11:06 , David Savage wrote:

  They're cheaper because they're slower.
 
  I bet if they had made it f1.9, it would be similarly priced to
  it's full
  frame big brothers. Admittedly it would be physically larger 
  weightier as well

 Exactly - that's what we're talking about :-)

Oh, OK. Sometimes it's hard to tell :-)

 If they were faster
 they wouldn't be pancakes - really small and affordable but
 excellent optically and beautifully built lenses. That's the idea of
 new Limiteds - highly portable set of top primes at the expense of
 maximum aperture.


I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is,
then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or
70. I want fast primes, not small.

But that's just my preference.

Dave

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Re: More Fungus!

2006-07-19 Thread David Savage
Nice work Mark.

My faves are Fungus and Twig  Lichen and Leaves.

Your not a sad gid but a fun guy ;-)

BTW I like the updated website

Cheers,

Dave


On 7/12/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After yesterday's discovery of that old fungus shot, I decided to
 revamp my fungus photo gallery. (And yes, I am a sad git to actually
 have a gallery of fungus photos, aren't I? g)
 http://www.robertstech.com/fungus.htm

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Re: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/07/19 Wed AM 09:36:45 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
 
 On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote:
 
  At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote:
  On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote:
 
  My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot
  more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for
  me. I'd *consider* the upcoming  70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if
  I didn't already have the 77!)
  Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their
  faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as
  having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller,
  lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm...
 
  They're cheaper because they're slower.
 
 They also cover a smaller image-circle.
 
 And there may be thousands other differentiations between these 
 lenses. On spec only you cannot tell why one is cheaper than another. 
 Take the 24-90 and the latest 28-105 as examples; both 3.75x zooms, at 
 comparable FLs with comparable apertures, yet the prices are so 
 different.
 
 But I stronbly object to Sylwek's (of all people) comparison of the 31 
 with the 21 on the grounds that if you mount one on a horse it gives 
 you the same fart as if you mount the other on a pig or sth.

Mark!


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Re: More Fungus!

2006-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote:

Nice work Mark.

My faves are Fungus and Twig  Lichen and Leaves.

Your not a sad gid but a fun guy ;-)

BTW I like the updated website

I'm glad you've taken a lichen to it ;-)
 
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Re: Re: More Fungus!

2006-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/07/19 Wed AM 11:22:27 GMT
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 Subject: Re: More Fungus!
 
 David Savage wrote:
 
 Nice work Mark.
 
 My faves are Fungus and Twig  Lichen and Leaves.
 
 Your not a sad gid but a fun guy ;-)
 
 BTW I like the updated website
 
 I'm glad you've taken a lichen to it ;-)
  

I'm not allowed to view this page at my college.  Why?


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Re: PESO - Flatiron

2006-07-19 Thread Adam Maas
I agree, going to try this shot again with the tops of the towers to see 
what I can get.

-Adam


Jens Bladt wrote:
 Ceautiful picture. The contrats dark/bright buildings adds depth.
 Since it's favorite subject, it would be nice to also see the top of the two
 towers  ;-)
 Regards
 
 Jens Bladt
 http://www.jensbladt.dk
 +45 56 63 77 11
 +45 23 43 85 77
 Skype: jensbladt248
 
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 Sendt: 19. juli 2006 03:14
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 Emne: PESO - Flatiron
 
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/
 
 Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The Gooderham Building in
 Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.
 
 For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:
 http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg
 
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Re: PESO - Flatiron

2006-07-19 Thread Adam Maas
Rick, I include a hard link to a larger version in each post just for 
guuys like you. Try the second link. And thanks for liking the shot.

-Adam


Rick Womer wrote:
 Great shot, Adam.  Old v new, but with the lighting
 and atmospheric conditions just right.
 
 But jeez, could you post your shots somewhere other
 than flickr, please, so that we could see more than
 postage-stamp views?
 
 Rick
 
 --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mawz/191286989/

Nikon F3HP, Silvertone 400 in Rodinal 1:25. The
Gooderham Building in 
Toronto, one of my personal favourite subjects.

For the Flickr-phobic, a large JPG direct link:

 
 http://static.flickr.com/66/191286989_a2a161d23a_b.jpg
 
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Re: More Fungus!

2006-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson wrote:

I'm not allowed to view this page at my college.  Why?

Well, some of the fungi shown on my site are under 18 years old...

Can you view other parts of my web site or just this page?
We're talking about this, right?
http://www.robertstech.com/fungus.htm
(Perhaps I mis-typed the URL earlier?)
 
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:50 AM, David Savage wrote:

 I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is,
 then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or
 70. I want fast primes, not small.

There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you.  ;)

-Aaron

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread David Savage
On 7/19/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:50 AM, David Savage wrote:

  I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is,
  then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or
  70. I want fast primes, not small.

 There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you.  ;)

I know. I already have 2.

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Re: Re: More Fungus!

2006-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 12:26:02 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: More Fungus!
 
 mike wilson wrote:
 
 I'm not allowed to view this page at my college.  Why?
 
 Well, some of the fungi shown on my site are under 18 years old...
 
 Can you view other parts of my web site or just this page?
 We're talking about this, right?
 http://www.robertstech.com/fungus.htm
 (Perhaps I mis-typed the URL earlier?)
  

Read the line again... ;-)


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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Marnie. Me too.

Jack

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 7/18/2006 8:08:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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 Came upon this scene some time back and quickly pulled over (I
 usually
 just slow down G) for a quick hand held grab.
 Clouds (not jet con trails) were in a striking form over my
 neighboring
 Sutter Buttes and I was shaky anxious to 'get the shot'.
 I don't recall if I had a tripod in the car, but I went with a little
 DOF sacrifice in the interest of time. Softish foreground resulted.
 The left side is very dramatic, but, over time, the cropped left side
 version is more in keeping with my file of compositional rules.
 Requesting your opinions.
 
 Jack
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=138
 
 Both are good. I prefer the first though. Feels more complete to me
 or 
 something, although the second has a more dynamic composition.
 
 Nice shot!
 
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PESO - Owl

2006-07-19 Thread Walter Hamler
istDL, 200mm  f/4 SMC, iso 800. The image is cropped about 50%.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/IMGP24115x7cropweb.jpg

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:36 AM, David Savage wrote:

 I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is,
 then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 
 or
 70. I want fast primes, not small.

 There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you.  
 ;)

 I know. I already have 2.

I just mean that when the DA Limited lineup overlaps directly on the FA 
lineup (I'm thinking of the 40 - 43 and 70 - 77) and in those instances 
the lenses are smaller and slower, I don't think you have to panic -- 
they're not bigger and faster because those lenses already exist and 
are reasonably current in their larger/faster incarnation.

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Re: PESO - Flatiron

2006-07-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

 I agree, going to try this shot again with the tops of the towers to 
 see
 what I can get.

I was going to say, the elements that are close to being whole but that 
get cut off at the top and bottom of the frame both distract me -- half 
a step backwards may have been the key.  ;)

But that's a nice shot of that building.  Definitely stronger than the 
other one that you posted (that I saw).

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Re: PESO: Sierra Ranch III

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
I'll apologize for belaboring dial-up systems and hope I'll eventually
get the idea.
Thanks for encouraging remarks.

Jack

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Bruce,
 I'll just go ahead and embarrass myself (my life long challenge) by
 saying that I don't have any idea. 
 I'm going to try a much larger upload. 
 I desaturated the green, but the image still has a green look about
 it.
 I think, it's simply do to the expanse of grass.
 I set the image size, but when attached, it's seriously
 compressed.(??)
 How do I estimate the final size?
 
 Jack
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=139
 =
 Jack, that's a lot better re green. A lot, lot. And I like it a lot
 better.
 
 But the file size seems a bit big for dial-up, takes a while to load.
 
 Of course, I have not helped the file size issue at all, have I?
 
 Hehehehe.
 
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Re: PESO: Wild Oats

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
I may fiddle with it and try a new upload. I sorta hate putting up the
same shot numerous times and asking for guidance.
But then, I may just move on.
Your version seems a little 'flat' to me. I should have given you more
to work with.
Thanks.

Jack
  


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 I'll be pleased to see your treatment if you'd like. :))
 
 Jack
 ===
 As promised.
 
 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/wildoats2.jpg
 
 But I think the adjustments I made are so minor that there is little
 real 
 difference between it and your original. In other words, I didn't
 really improve 
 it. :-)
 
 There was not much detail to bring up.
 
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Re: PESO: Horse Tail Sky

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, David,
You're in the majority with your choice. While I didn't enhance it at
all, I agree that the saturation seems borderline high. The grasses do
have sort of a golden hue to the eye at times.

Jack


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 On Jul 19, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=137
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=138
 
 I like the extra streaks at the left of the first one, but I also  
 think that the second one works very well.
 
 I think I'd prefer a touch less saturation, but that's just me.
 
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Re: PESO -- Threatening Syies, Calm Seas

2006-07-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
 I've looked at this one a couple of times.  Funny, but I like it the
 way it was presented, but I also like it with the upper portion
 cropped off, just leaving the boats.  It makes for a totally different
 picture and very cool one at that.
 
 Nice job!
 
 --
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hehe - I just did the same thing!  I like the concept, the
sky, the placement of stuff...
but Ken had a point about it being a bit busy - which, I
think, is mainly so because the
background buildings are not in focus.  (unless it is my
eyes again - ann rubs eyes)

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Calling Powell Hargrave!

2006-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
I've sent several emails to both your addresses but apparently they
aren't getting through.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Aaron Reynolds wrote:

There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you.  ;)

Lens porn:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg
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OT: Reflections on Planet Earth

2006-07-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
An interesting shot from space:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060719.html

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Re: Calling Powell Hargrave!

2006-07-19 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts 
Subject: Calling Powell Hargrave!


 I've sent several emails to both your addresses but apparently they
 aren't getting through.

HAR!!!
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
You should be ashamed.

Mark Roberts wrote:

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

  

There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you.  ;)



Lens porn:
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Re: PESO - Owl

2006-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
That's a lovely shot. 

Walter Hamler wrote:

istDL, 200mm  f/4 SMC, iso 800. The image is cropped about 50%.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/IMGP24115x7cropweb.jpg

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Re: Calling Powell Hargrave!

2006-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I haven't. but maybe Powel has...

Mark Roberts wrote:

I've sent several emails to both your addresses but apparently they
aren't getting through.

Have you received the 1.7x AF converter I shipped to you?
 
  



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Re: PESO - Owl

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Nice catch! Held up great for such a heavy crop @ 800 ISO.

Jack

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 That's a lovely shot. 
 
 Walter Hamler wrote:
 
 istDL, 200mm  f/4 SMC, iso 800. The image is cropped about 50%.
 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/IMGP24115x7cropweb.jpg
 
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Re: PESO: Sierra Ranch III

2006-07-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/19/2006 6:08:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll apologize for belaboring dial-up systems and hope I'll eventually
get the idea.
Thanks for encouraging remarks.

Jack
===
Later when I watched some other pictures take a long time to load, realized 
yours took no longer (than some of the slower ones).

It was just all that file size discussion that made me think it did.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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Re: PESO - Owl

2006-07-19 Thread pnstenquist
Excellent. He's studying you.
Paul
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 istDL, 200mm  f/4 SMC, iso 800. The image is cropped about 50%.
 
 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/IMGP24115x7cropweb.jpg
 
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Re: More Fungus!

2006-07-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 David Savage wrote:
 
 Nice work Mark.
 
 My faves are Fungus and Twig  Lichen and Leaves.
 
 Your not a sad gid but a fun guy ;-)
 
 BTW I like the updated website
 
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:

 Mark Roberts wrote:

 Lens porn:
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg
 ;-)

 You should be ashamed.

Absolutely. They are silver.

But I can (sort of) see where porn comes into play: the black cap 
reminds me of Cleese in his socks in A Fish Called Wanda.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread David Savage
On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lens porn:
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg
 ;-)


Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag...

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg

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PESO: Wild Oats II

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
I couldn't resist trying another (and last) upload with a larger file.
I realize it's contrasty, but as I explained before, it suits my taste
for this image. I know it won't be to everyone's palate.

Last request for comments. Thanks.

Jack

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Re: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 02:43:11 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
 
 On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Lens porn:
  http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg
  ;-)
 
 
 Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag...
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg
 

You folks had better stop this, or someone (no names, no pack drill) is going 
to make you feel all soft and insignificant.  That's what it did for me, 
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Re: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 02:43:11 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
 
 On 7/19/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Lens porn:
  http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg
  ;-)
 
 
 Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag...
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg
 

You folks had better stop this, or someone (no names, no pack drill) is going 
to make you feel all soft and insignificant.  That's what it did for me, 
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 10:36:45AM +0100, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
 On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, David Savage wrote:
 
  At 02:59 PM 19/07/2006, Sylwek wrote:
  On 18.07.2006, at 21:33 , Mark Roberts wrote:
 
  My other Limiteds (43, 31, 77) are all f/1.9 or faster. That's a lot
  more than a third of a stop! F/2.0 and under is Limited territory for
  me. I'd *consider* the upcoming  70/2.4 if it were under $500 (and if
  I didn't already have the 77!)
  Yes, but but don't forget DA Limiteds are much cheaper than their
  faster, FF counterparts. FA 31/1.8 is about two times as expensive as
  having similar FOV 21/3.2, not to speak that DA is much smaller,
  lighter and takes 49 mm filters instead of 58 mm...
 
  They're cheaper because they're slower.
 
 They also cover a smaller image-circle.

I'd be surprised if the DA 70 didn't cover a 35mm frame.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread David Savage
On 7/19/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just mean that when the DA Limited lineup overlaps directly on the FA
 lineup (I'm thinking of the 40 - 43 and 70 - 77) and in those instances
 the lenses are smaller and slower, I don't think you have to panic --
 they're not bigger and faster because those lenses already exist and
 are reasonably current in their larger/faster incarnation.

I'm not panicking. It's just with the release of the K100D  the
upcoming K10D, I'd just like to see more high quality faster glass to
go with these bodies.

So far I haven't been all that impressed with the DA lenses I've
bought. I got the DA 16-45 f4 after reading all the positive reviews
of those here on the PDML,  I needed something wider, but I don't
think it's as good as the hype. I use them (DA16-45  DA10-17) 
they're OK, but none of them have made me go WOW, this is a kick ass
lens. Maybe the pancake limited's would make me change my opinion :-)

Hopefully the upcoming DA 50-135 f2.8  DA16-50 f2.8 are of equal
quality to their FA predecessors.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread David Savage
At 11:29 PM 19/07/2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

  Lens porn:
  http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg

Just look at how obese that 31mm lens looks compared to even its 43
and 77 mm siblings, never mind the DA21. Pornographic indeed. ]'-)

It's not obese, just excited. The other two are cold.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Lens porn:
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg

Just look at how obese that 31mm lens looks compared to even its 43  
and 77 mm siblings, never mind the DA21. Pornographic indeed. ]'-)

I had the 31 and didn't like it much although it was a fine  
performer. The 77 is delightful, the 43 (and 40...) does not interest  
me as the focal length is neither here nor there for the 16x24  
format. The DA21 piques my interest but I really really want a  
compact 28mm f/2... sigh.

Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for  
compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are  
designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to  
1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to  
complement. That consideration would certainly shift my design  
priorities if I were the engineering lead. The fact that they're  
incorporating the QuickShift focusing feature is one of the biggest  
reasons for me to be interested in the 21 and 70 mm ... the maximum  
aperture difference is mostly irrelevant.

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Re: PESO - Owl

2006-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Very nice, indeed!  I'd love to get an owl shot like this - or even to
see an owl.  I must be out at the wrong times.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 5:44:07 AM, you wrote:

WH istDL, 200mm  f/4 SMC, iso 800. The image is cropped about 50%.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for
 compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are
 designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to
 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to
 complement.

That's an excellent point Godfrey.

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PESO - Jente på plenen

2006-07-19 Thread Toralf Lund
I said something about PESOs, didn't I? Well, here is one:

http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=plenen

There was just *something* about her expression... Not sure if I managed 
to capture it, as usual.

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for
 compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are
 designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to
 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to
 complement.

That's an excellent point Godfrey.

That probably is their reasoning. Still, fast lenses are important
even when you're shooting stopped down (as I almost always do) because
of the brighter viewfinder. Several times while doing pre-dawn
photography I've switched from my 20/2.8 to a faster lens simply
because I couldn't see how my shots were framed with the slow 2.8
aperture. This has happened with the MZ-S and with the ist-D; both
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PESO: Crystal Bay Silhouette

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Seems each time I decide to upload an image I recall it was shot at
least a few years ago. (True of a number of things)
Driving around Lake Tahoe when, suddenly, the light was different.
Next pull-off was, fortunately, where this was shot. I really just
stopped to check out what was going on with the sunlight.
Always felt guilty for having such luck.

Always inviting comments.

Jack

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Amita Guha
On 7/18/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Roberts wrote:
  Adam Maas wrote:

 Well, Sigma does make a 20mm f1.8 just for folks like you.

 But it's bigger than the DS.

Yep, it's a monster, but I have it. Tack sharp, fast, focuses closely.
Lots of fun, even if it does weigh a ton.

But yeah, I'd prefer speed over small size as well.

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Re: More Fungus!

2006-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 David Savage wrote:
 
 Nice work Mark.
 
 My faves are Fungus and Twig  Lichen and Leaves.
 
 Your not a sad gid but a fun guy ;-)
 
 BTW I like the updated website
 
 I'm glad you've taken a lichen to it ;-)
 
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Re: Calling Powell Hargrave!

2006-07-19 Thread brooksdj

 Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 I've sent several emails to both your addresses but apparently they
 aren't getting through.
 
 Have you received the 1.7x AF converter I shipped to you?
  

Well, that explains why i now have a 1.7 tele i did not order.

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Re: PESO - Jente p� plenen

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
You did! 
Was it something she just read? A far off sound? 
No way of deciding, obviously, but it's the curiosity it provokes
that's intriguing.
The background roadway/walkway doesn't add, but not a real problem for
me.

Jack



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 http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=plenen
 
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 managed 
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: David Savage 
Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...



 Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag...
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg


Go have a nice little cry.
This is an old picture

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/I_SUCK/the_fleet.html

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Part II Conversions, IR

2006-07-19 Thread brooksdj

I tend to shoot, so far, my IR shots with the R72 fillter, at somewere around
F 4 and shutter of 1/30 or 1/20.

This gives me a histo with mostly midrange pixels, say from 50/60 to 180 plus 
or minus. If
i try and get a 
good mountain histo 0 to 240 or as close as possible, the shot looks horribly 
over
exposed. This would 
be in the F4 and 1/4 second range.

What should i be looking for here. I seem to have ~some~ decent results with 
method 1, and
my GFM 
photo was using these values. 
Is it because the filter is cutting out  a large amount of the visible lihght 
that i'm
getting the mid range 
mountain as aposed to the overall mountain histo. Is the midrange histo giving 
me the
proper exposure, 
even though it looks wrong as in normal colour shots.

Just trying to fiqure this stuff out, 1 step at a time

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PESO - Susquehenna

2006-07-19 Thread Scott Loveless
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/July2006/photo#4953492787365543954

Taken from a bridge near Jersey Shore, PA.  PZ-1, 28-80 power zoom,
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Re: Calling Powell Hargrave!

2006-07-19 Thread Powell Hargrave
Email was sent to you from my Nanaimo Gallery account which usually gets
through.

I received a notice that I have a parcel so the converter is at the post
office I think.  Will find out this afternoon.

Money order was sent to you last Friday.

Any way you can make your email system more permeable?

Thanks Mark
Powell


At 06:37 AM 19/07/2006 , you wrote:

I've sent several emails to both your addresses but apparently they
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PESO -- Turkey Surprise!

2006-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I was just now sitting in my office, and I hear something tapping on the 
window.  I gently open the louvered shades and this is what I see.  A 
turkey hen with two chicks, maybe even the same one I was so frustrated 
trying to get a good shot of with the SMC-P FA 28-200mm is standing not 
three feet away!  I quickly gathered the Ds and mounted the FA 43mm.  I 
took a few shots through the shades then risked opening them.  She 
stayed put, I'm posting this un-cropped.  (I'll probably tighten it up, 
straighten the horizon, and remove the window frame eventually).

http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_turksurp.html

Tech. Info.:
Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 400 @ 1/125sec (Av)
smc Pentax-F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6  @ f5.6

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
We know and you still suck...

William Robb wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: David Savage 
Subject: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...



  

Not as porntastic as yours but here's my mixed bag...

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/IMGP5070.jpg




Go have a nice little cry.
This is an old picture

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/I_SUCK/the_fleet.html

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Re: Calling Powell Hargrave!

2006-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Powell Hargrave wrote:

Email was sent to you from my Nanaimo Gallery account which usually gets
through.

I received a notice that I have a parcel so the converter is at the post
office I think.  Will find out this afternoon.

Money order was sent to you last Friday.

Any way you can make your email system more permeable?

More permeable? Wow, that's the nicest way anyone's ever put it! g
Try sending to my xmp2954 grad.com address.
 
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
A large part of a wider maximum aperture is easier focusing, weather 
autofocus or manual an F2 lens will lock a lot faster than an F3.5.  My 
SMC Takumar 35mm f3.5 gives excellent  results on film and digital but 
it's a PITA to achieve  precise focus, under anything other than the 
brightest lighting conditions.

Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

  

Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for
compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are
designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to
1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to
complement.



That's an excellent point Godfrey.

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PESO: Early Aberdeen

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Driving from Astoria, OR to the Olympic Peninsula, WA, we passed
through Aberdeen, WA. Thought later I should have gone back to the car
and gotten a flash just to say I'd tried it. 
The foreground being a homogeneous tone strikes me as the way I would
have chosen it anyway. Just didn't give myself a choice.
I've been picking a few of my sort of 'orphan' shots that I feel
deserve a chance at daylight.
You'll be glad to read that I'm now going to cool it for awhile.

Remarks welcome, of course.

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PESO - A Pair

2006-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
I know, I said last birds for awhile...if we could define awhile as a
very short period of time, I complied grin.  It's just that these
two were hanging around during my morning walk this morning.

Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X SD 400/5.6, Handheld
ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3204a.htm

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PESO - Voodoo Doll

2006-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
This shot just brings to mind a voodoo doll just made and ready to be
used.  The other strange thought that came to me was Marvin the
Martian.

Pentax *istD, Tokina AT-X SD 400/5.6, Handheld
ISO 200, 1/750 sec @ f/5.6

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Re: PESO -- Turkey Surprise!

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
All she wanted to tell you was that she is in control of when she'll
allow herself to be photographed. :)
Another reminder of how it always pays to keep a camera close by.
Beautiful grounds around you place of work.
Very nice shot. Will be fun to PS, as you said.

Jack


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 I was just now sitting in my office, and I hear something tapping on
 the 
 window.  I gently open the louvered shades and this is what I see.  A
 
 turkey hen with two chicks, maybe even the same one I was so
 frustrated 
 trying to get a good shot of with the SMC-P FA 28-200mm is standing
 not 
 three feet away!  I quickly gathered the Ds and mounted the FA 43mm. 
 I 
 took a few shots through the shades then risked opening them.  She 
 stayed put, I'm posting this un-cropped.  (I'll probably tighten it
 up, 
 straighten the horizon, and remove the window frame eventually).
 
 http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_turksurp.html
 
 Tech. Info.:
 Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 400 @ 1/125sec (Av)
 smc Pentax-F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6  @ f5.6
 
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread frank theriault
On 7/19/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You should be ashamed.

I assure you:

I met him and I know him.  Mark Roberts has no shame.

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Re: PESO - Susquehenna

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Like it. Can imagine the scene in the Fall with placid river
reflections.
While I like seeing all of the far right tree, I'd probably wind up
either cropping off or cloning out the rather bright building.
Thanks for the peek.

Jack

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http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/July2006/photo#4953492787365543954
 
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Re: PESO - Jente på plenen

2006-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Toralf,

I can see what you mean about the expression.  It does seem to kind of
hang on to you and make you keep looking.  Almost like you are trying
to see what she is seeing/thinking.  I like this one in BW.  Thanks
for sharing.


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Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 9:06:01 AM, you wrote:

TL I said something about PESOs, didn't I? Well, here is one:

TL http://www.toralf.net/bilde.php?navn=plenen

TL There was just *something* about her expression... Not sure if I managed
TL to capture it, as usual.

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Re: PESO: Crystal Bay Silhouette

2006-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Love the image in general.  I pulled it down and played with
saturation just a bit - if you bring up the saturation a little, some
really warm orange hues come up nicely - I rather like it, gives it a
warmer morning feeling.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 9:16:18 AM, you wrote:

JD Seems each time I decide to upload an image I recall it was shot at
JD least a few years ago. (True of a number of things)
JD Driving around Lake Tahoe when, suddenly, the light was different.
JD Next pull-off was, fortunately, where this was shot. I really just
JD stopped to check out what was going on with the sunlight.
JD Always felt guilty for having such luck.

JD Always inviting comments.

JD Jack

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Re: PESO - Susquehenna

2006-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Scott,

I mostly like it.  The issues can be most dealt with in a crop.  I
find the left bank to be of no value to the picture, and the left side
of the sky kind of hazes out.  So I would crop the left side off.
Also the sky is not really very strong and doesn't need that much
showing.  So I would crop some off the top.  I tried it here and feel
the picture is much stronger that way.

I like the angle and colors that you have portrayed here - a little
more work on the image and it could be quite good.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 9:42:19 AM, you wrote:

SL http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/July2006/photo#4953492787365543954

SL Taken from a bridge near Jersey Shore, PA.  PZ-1, 28-80 power zoom,
SL Fuji Superia 800.  This is one of my first few photos with a
SL polarizer.  All comments and critiques are greatly appreciated.

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Re: PESO - Susquehenna

2006-07-19 Thread frank theriault
On 7/19/06, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/July2006/photo#4953492787365543954

 Taken from a bridge near Jersey Shore, PA.  PZ-1, 28-80 power zoom,
 Fuji Superia 800.  This is one of my first few photos with a
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That's beautiful, Scott.

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Re: PESO: Early Aberdeen

2006-07-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
This one I have mixed feelings about.  It almost feels like there are
two subjects vying for my attention.  The foreground logs and the
waterfront buildings.  I would almost pick one or the other and make
that subject more dominant.  Either cut out the sky/waterfront or most
of the logs in the foreground.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 10:06:54 AM, you wrote:

JD Driving from Astoria, OR to the Olympic Peninsula, WA, we passed
JD through Aberdeen, WA. Thought later I should have gone back to the car
JD and gotten a flash just to say I'd tried it. 
JD The foreground being a homogeneous tone strikes me as the way I would
JD have chosen it anyway. Just didn't give myself a choice.
JD I've been picking a few of my sort of 'orphan' shots that I feel
JD deserve a chance at daylight.
JD You'll be glad to read that I'm now going to cool it for awhile.

JD Remarks welcome, of course.

JD Jack

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Re: PESO - Flatiron

2006-07-19 Thread UncaMikey
Adam, I've started putting that static link right in the picture's
description box on Flickr, so that anyone can just click to see the
larger version.

*UncaMikey

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:19 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
 Perhaps another reason that the DA Limiteds are being designed for
 compactness and quality rather than speed is that the DSLRs they are
 designed to work with produce so much cleaner results at ISO 400 to
 1600 than the film SLRs that the prior series was designed to
 complement.

 That's an excellent point Godfrey.

 A large part of a wider maximum aperture is easier focusing, whether
 autofocus or manual an F2 lens will lock a lot faster than an  
 F3.5.  My
 SMC Takumar 35mm f3.5 gives excellent  results on film and digital but
 it's a PITA to achieve  precise focus, under anything other than the
 brightest lighting conditions.

While brightness is very helpful for focusing, I don't think I can  
easily see a 0.3 to 1.0 stop difference in the viewfinder brightness  
without comparing. Contrast at the focusing aperture is actually more  
significant ... For instance, I found the A24/2.8 to be easier to  
focus accurately than the A28/2.8 due to its higher contrast when  
wide open, and the FA20-35/4 to be better than either for the same  
reason, despite being 1 stop slower.

This is just as true for auto focus as it is for manual focus, btw.

 That probably is their reasoning. Still, fast lenses are important
 even when you're shooting stopped down (as I almost always do) because
 of the brighter viewfinder. Several times while doing pre-dawn
 photography I've switched from my 20/2.8 to a faster lens simply
 because I couldn't see how my shots were framed with the slow 2.8
 aperture.

I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that you cannot see how a shot is  
framed with an f/2.8 maximum aperture vs an f/2 or f/1.8, Mark. What  
lens faster than the 20/2.8 have you gone to with similar FoV?

My testing of the Sigma 20/1.8 showed it to have poorer wide-open  
resolution and contrast than the Canon EF20/2.8. Neither were at  
their best until f/4.5 or smaller (the Sigma caught up to the Canon  
at about f/5.6). The Pentax FA20/2.8 is better than the Canon wide  
open and proves sharper until f/5.6 from the short time I had  
evaluating one.

Manually focusing *any* very short focal length lens like the 20mm or  
14mm is challenging, and often times I find the AF system does a  
little better than I do if I'm in a hurry. When I have the time to  
work more slowly, the Pentax Magnifier FB 2x helps a lot for critical  
work as does the Olympus VariMagni's 1.5-2.5x magnification. However,  
the Katz Eye Optics screen I purchased significantly improves the  
manual focusing 'tooth' over the standard Pentax screens in the DS so  
that I find less need to use the optical magnification aids.

Godfrey

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DA 21mm on film? was Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread UncaMikey
I'm sure the DA 21mm, unlike the DA 40mm, won't work very well for 35mm
film, but has anyone tried it, just for grins?  Any test shots out
there?

*UncaMikey

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Re: Calling Powell Hargrave!

2006-07-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/7/06, Powell Hargrave, discombobulated, unleashed:

[regarding Mark]

Any way you can make your email system more permeable?

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/7/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Lens porn:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread P. J. Alling
You've been shooting digital too long, that's a window screen...

Cotty wrote:

On 19/7/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

  

Lens porn:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/IMGP6706.jpg
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Re: PESO: Early Aberdeen

2006-07-19 Thread pnstenquist
I like this as shot. The foreground logs could have stood on their own, but I 
like the way they point to the shoreline. The dark foreground is appropriate.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 This one I have mixed feelings about.  It almost feels like there are
 two subjects vying for my attention.  The foreground logs and the
 waterfront buildings.  I would almost pick one or the other and make
 that subject more dominant.  Either cut out the sky/waterfront or most
 of the logs in the foreground.
 
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 Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 10:06:54 AM, you wrote:
 
 JD Driving from Astoria, OR to the Olympic Peninsula, WA, we passed
 JD through Aberdeen, WA. Thought later I should have gone back to the car
 JD and gotten a flash just to say I'd tried it. 
 JD The foreground being a homogeneous tone strikes me as the way I would
 JD have chosen it anyway. Just didn't give myself a choice.
 JD I've been picking a few of my sort of 'orphan' shots that I feel
 JD deserve a chance at daylight.
 JD You'll be glad to read that I'm now going to cool it for awhile.
 
 JD Remarks welcome, of course.
 
 JD Jack
 
 JD http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=142
 
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Re: DA 21mm on film? was Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 19, 2006, at 10:56 AM, UncaMikey wrote:

 I'm sure the DA 21mm, unlike the DA 40mm, won't work very well for  
 35mm
 film, but has anyone tried it, just for grins?  Any test shots out
 there?

I haven't seen anything yet, Mike. The DA21 is just getting into the  
market and DSLR buyers are first to the plate. The relevance of a  
DA21 over an FA20 for film camera users is questionable, since  
they're about the same money and evidently perform very similarly.

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Re: PESO - Susquehenna

2006-07-19 Thread pnstenquist
I like this. Peaceful and pleasant. I wouldn't crop out the left bank. It 
establishes that this is a river, rather than just the shore of a lake or pond. 
I would burn in the sky on the left side of frame, and I would crop a little 
off the top as Bruce suggested below.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Hello Scott,
 
 I mostly like it.  The issues can be most dealt with in a crop.  I
 find the left bank to be of no value to the picture, and the left side
 of the sky kind of hazes out.  So I would crop the left side off.
 Also the sky is not really very strong and doesn't need that much
 showing.  So I would crop some off the top.  I tried it here and feel
 the picture is much stronger that way.
 
 I like the angle and colors that you have portrayed here - a little
 more work on the image and it could be quite good.
 
 -- 
 Bruce
 
 
 Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 9:42:19 AM, you wrote:
 
 SL http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/July2006/photo#4953492787365543954
 
 SL Taken from a bridge near Jersey Shore, PA.  PZ-1, 28-80 power zoom,
 SL Fuji Superia 800.  This is one of my first few photos with a
 SL polarizer.  All comments and critiques are greatly appreciated.
 
 SL -- 
 SL Scott Loveless
 SL http://www.twosixteen.com
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Re: PESO: Early Aberdeen

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Bruce,
Appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks,

Jack

--- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This one I have mixed feelings about.  It almost feels like there are
 two subjects vying for my attention.  The foreground logs and the
 waterfront buildings.  I would almost pick one or the other and make
 that subject more dominant.  Either cut out the sky/waterfront or
 most
 of the logs in the foreground.
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Bruce
 
 
 Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 10:06:54 AM, you wrote:
 
 JD Driving from Astoria, OR to the Olympic Peninsula, WA, we passed
 JD through Aberdeen, WA. Thought later I should have gone back to
 the car
 JD and gotten a flash just to say I'd tried it. 
 JD The foreground being a homogeneous tone strikes me as the way I
 would
 JD have chosen it anyway. Just didn't give myself a choice.
 JD I've been picking a few of my sort of 'orphan' shots that I feel
 JD deserve a chance at daylight.
 JD You'll be glad to read that I'm now going to cool it for awhile.
 
 JD Remarks welcome, of course.
 
 JD Jack
 
 JD http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=142
 
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Re: PESO: Crystal Bay Silhouette

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Bruce. I just set the light balance to the scene 'til it feels
best to me. It's quietly subdued with only a hint of peach tone
throughout the water.
Certainly appreciate your taking the time to forward comments.

Jack

--- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Love the image in general.  I pulled it down and played with
 saturation just a bit - if you bring up the saturation a little, some
 really warm orange hues come up nicely - I rather like it, gives it a
 warmer morning feeling.
 
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 Best regards,
 Bruce
 
 
 Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 9:16:18 AM, you wrote:
 
 JD Seems each time I decide to upload an image I recall it was shot
 at
 JD least a few years ago. (True of a number of things)
 JD Driving around Lake Tahoe when, suddenly, the light was
 different.
 JD Next pull-off was, fortunately, where this was shot. I really
 just
 JD stopped to check out what was going on with the sunlight.
 JD Always felt guilty for having such luck.
 
 JD Always inviting comments.
 
 JD Jack
 
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Re: PESO: Early Aberdeen

2006-07-19 Thread Jack Davis
I certainly could have lobbed off the far shore line buildings, but
found them sorta quaint. In this setting, I don't feel the the logs are
strong enough on their own.
Obvious I suppose, but My feeling is, that they need each other.

Jack

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 I like this as shot. The foreground logs could have stood on their
 own, but I like the way they point to the shoreline. The dark
 foreground is appropriate.
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  This one I have mixed feelings about.  It almost feels like there
 are
  two subjects vying for my attention.  The foreground logs and the
  waterfront buildings.  I would almost pick one or the other and
 make
  that subject more dominant.  Either cut out the sky/waterfront or
 most
  of the logs in the foreground.
  
  -- 
  Best regards,
  Bruce
  
  
  Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 10:06:54 AM, you wrote:
  
  JD Driving from Astoria, OR to the Olympic Peninsula, WA, we
 passed
  JD through Aberdeen, WA. Thought later I should have gone back to
 the car
  JD and gotten a flash just to say I'd tried it. 
  JD The foreground being a homogeneous tone strikes me as the way I
 would
  JD have chosen it anyway. Just didn't give myself a choice.
  JD I've been picking a few of my sort of 'orphan' shots that I
 feel
  JD deserve a chance at daylight.
  JD You'll be glad to read that I'm now going to cool it for
 awhile.
  
  JD Remarks welcome, of course.
  
  JD Jack
  
  JD http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=142
  
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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 My testing of the Sigma 20/1.8 showed it to have poorer wide-open
 resolution and contrast than the Canon EF20/2.8.

In addition to your point re contrast, we discussed T-stops the other 
day too. I would be very interested to see the T-stop of the Sigma 
(and not at all that of the Nocan :-)).

Kostas

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Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that you cannot see how a shot is  
framed with an f/2.8 maximum aperture vs an f/2 or f/1.8, Mark. 

Well it's true. What else can I say?

What lens faster than the 20/2.8 have you gone to with similar FoV?

FA*24/2.0 - which isn't that close but it's the closest I had at the
time. Photos from one such shoot are here:
http://www.robertstech.com/dolly_s.htm
Many shots like the third one simply couldn't be framed accurately
with the f/2.8 (I zone focused for all, BTW: both AF and manual focus
were out of the question in the darkness).
 
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Re: DA 21mm on film? was Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...

2006-07-19 Thread UncaMikey
Relevant, perhaps not, but certainly interesting.  Quite a few people
seem to have both film and digital, and I was just curious if anyone
had tried it.  I have to admit, I am tempted by the new K100D, and
compactness is very important to me.  Not a big deal, in any event, I
suspect someone will fool around with it before long.

*UncaMikey

--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I haven't seen anything yet, Mike. The DA21 is just getting into the 
 market and DSLR buyers are first to the plate. The relevance of a  
 DA21 over an FA20 for film camera users is questionable, since  
 they're about the same money and evidently perform very similarly.
 
 Godfrey

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Re: More Fungus!

2006-07-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
 I'm afraid this might mushroom into another pun thread

Well we'll just have to weed out the good from the bad.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Re: More Fungus!


 Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 David Savage wrote:
 
 Nice work Mark.
 
 My faves are Fungus and Twig  Lichen and Leaves.
 
 Your not a sad gid but a fun guy ;-)
 
 BTW I like the updated website
 
 I'm glad you've taken a lichen to it ;-)
 
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Re: PESO: Crystal Bay Silhouette

2006-07-19 Thread frank theriault
On 7/19/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Seems each time I decide to upload an image I recall it was shot at
 least a few years ago. (True of a number of things)
 Driving around Lake Tahoe when, suddenly, the light was different.
 Next pull-off was, fortunately, where this was shot. I really just
 stopped to check out what was going on with the sunlight.
 Always felt guilty for having such luck.

 Always inviting comments.

 Jack

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=141

Lovely scene, very well captured.

cheers,
frank


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value of 67 gear?

2006-07-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds
I was idly doing some insurance stuff, and I got to wondering if any of my 67 
gear still had value on the used market and if I was over-insuring it.

I realize that lenses like the 105mm f2.4 are quite common and virtually 
value-less, but did late lenses like the 75mm f2.8 AL retain any value?  And 
what's a 67 body in great shape worth?

Anyone keeping an eye on that market?

-Aaron

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Re: PESO - Owl

2006-07-19 Thread Kenneth Waller
Nice capture of an elusive hombre.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: PESO - Owl


 istDL, 200mm  f/4 SMC, iso 800. The image is cropped about 50%.
 
 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/newtmaker/IMGP24115x7cropweb.jpg
 
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