RE: Hope is all ok with our Australian PDMLers

[John Coyle]

The predicted path of the cyclone is some 800 kms. or more from where Tanya, 
Ryan, and I live, so we will be Ok unless it changes direction significantly.  
I'm not aware of any PDML-ers living that far north, although I do have nephews 
and a niece who live a little north of the top edge of the cyclone's path.
Brisbane might get some fairly strong winds as a peripheral effect though.
Thanks for the concern!


John in Brisbane



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BBC headline reads “Monster Cyclone” hits Queensland.  Hope all are ok!

Stay safe and check in when you can!

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Re: Hope is all ok with our Australian PDMLers

[Brian Walters]

I'm not aware of any PDMLers in Far North Queensland but perhaps there
may be lurkers.  I think John Coyle is the closest but he's well south
of the danger area.

It does look to be a bad one - lots of damage expected.  Hopefully all
in the affected areas moved to safety well in advance.

Some current info:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/cyclone-debbie-residents-recount-damage-as-storm-hits/8393540


Cheers

Brian

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On Tue, Mar 28, 2017, at 01:33 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
> BBC headline reads “Monster Cyclone” hits Queensland.  Hope all are ok!
> 
> Stay safe and check in when you can!
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Re: Hope is all ok with our Australian PDMLers

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Oh my... Hopefully anyone that is there will check in on the list.

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On 3/27/2017 9:33 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

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BBC headline reads “Monster Cyclone” hits Queensland.  Hope all are ok!

Stay safe and check in when you can!

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Re: PESO The butterfly effect

[Paul Stenquist]

A welcome taste of spring for those of us who aren't there yet!

Paul via phone

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Very nice!
> 
>> On 3/27/2017 4:52 AM, Toine wrote:
>> My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
>> which broke things)
>> As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:
>> 
>> http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/
>> 
>> Spring has arrived at full speed.
>> 
>> Toine
>> 
> 
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Re: PESO The butterfly effect

[Mark C]

Very nice!

On 3/27/2017 4:52 AM, Toine wrote:

My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
which broke things)
As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:

http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/

Spring has arrived at full speed.

Toine




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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Zos Xavius]

Yes it would use UTC most likely. I must add that none of my cameras
have ever transitioned to DST automatically. Maybe I am using it wrong
somehow? Ok. I just looked at my K-3 and though it was set to Chicago
as the city it never changed. It does have DST highlighted though next
to it so I'm confused frankly why it wouldn't kick over. Changing the
home city to NYC adjusted the time ahead one hour, but I think that is
just because I moved the time zone.

Yeah I set it to LA and it changed the time again. Toggling DST on and
off changes the time as well. I think you have to manually enable it.
I just have it on all the time and change my time as necessary. My K-3
was actually set to the wrong time. Not like it really matters to be
honest. I care far more about the date.

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:38 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> Well, yes and no.  If you look at that standard Time/Date structure, (Gaud
> this is getting into the weeds), if the software is using it correctly it's
> stores UTC a flag and an offset to get the local time.  I assume that the OS
> used by the camera includes a Time/Date object.  I also assume it stores the
> Timestamp in the "standard" manner.  So yes it stores the data in UTC.
>
>
>
> On 3/27/2017 4:03 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I know. That makes it not UTC.
>>
>>> On 27 Mar 2017, at 20:51, P. J. Alling 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It pretty much is on UTC.  The current time zone is just an offset based
>>> on the home city.
>>>
>>>
 On 3/27/2017 3:39 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 If I had a camera that had gps I would just let it record everything as
 UTC rather than try to account for different places. It makes life easier -
 one less thing to clutter my head with. In fact even without gps I think I
 just leave them on UTC.

> On 27 Mar 2017, at 19:15, Jos de Fotograaf 
> wrote:
>
> Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.
>
> The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.
>
> I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for
> the Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands are
> second!
>
> Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time
> manually.
>
> Greetz, Jos
>
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Re: An idea for a silly experiment

[Mark C]

I haven't done any formal experimenting but I shoot with both the K1 and 
Mz-S and swap lenses between them. Still very actively shooting B 35mm 
film.


I don't know how meaningful a comparison between the two formats can be 
- the degree of clarity, resolution and detail in k1 images is beyond 
anything that 35mm film can produce. But the K1 can't produce the images 
with the truly analog and organic feel of film. (Though it can be 
simulated and imitated). In terms of technical quality, there was a time 
when 35mm slide film could rival DSLR output, but that ended when DSLRs 
hit 10 megapixels or more. I'm planning to compare 6x7 landscapes to 
what the K1 produces, but expect that the K1 will produce a sharper, 
clearer and more detailed image. I never did formal tests with the K-3 
but it was close. Up till the K1 I honestly felt that a good 6x7 scan 
could technically rival even a K3 image, but I doubt that is the case 
with the K1.


WRT to lenses - I only have 4 full frame "digital" lenses, the Tamron 
28-75, DFA 28-105, and DFA 50 and 100 macros. The macros, hands down, 
are the best macros I've ever used in their respective focal lengths. 
That holds true on both film and digital.  The Tamron is great on both 
film and digital. On the Mz-S it is by far the best normal zoom I've 
ever used on a film body. My impression is that optimizing a lens for 
digital sensors improves performance on film as well.


Legacy lenses are a mixed bag. Some that are superb on film and equally 
good on the K1. Others that are good on film show flaws on the K1. Some 
lenses that were good in the APS-C format are not so good on the K1 
since the outer portion of the frame shows more distortion. I have a 
SIgma 135-400 that was a very decent zoo lens on the K5 and K3, but is 
not very good on the K1 (unless its in crop mode).


The thing with legacy glass - I don't think that there are ever legacy 
lenses that were mediocre on film that are good on digital. But there 
are plenty that were good on film but mediocre on digital. And also 
plenty that were good on film and good on digital.


Mark


On 3/27/2017 1:04 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
The whole time I've been shooting with dslrs an inevitable topic of 
conversation has been comparison with film. I just realized, someone 
could go out with a tripod, a K-1, and one or more film bodies, and 
take each shot, with the same lens and get a direct comparison. They 
could not only shoot at the same ISO, shutter speed, and aperture, but 
they could also set adjust the settings on the K-1 to whatever they 
felt was the best use of the camera's abilities.  There are several 
things I'm curious about:

differences of legacy glass on film vs digital
differences of modern glass on film vs digital
Apart from any difference in the technical quality of the images, what 
about differences in the artistic quality of the images.


I don't think I even have a film body that will work with some of the 
new glass, so my current lack of time to do anything like this is 
pretty much moot.  Although a set of comparisons like this might make 
for a really fun PDML photo expedition.





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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[P. J. Alling]

Well, yes and no.  If you look at that standard Time/Date structure, 
(Gaud this is getting into the weeds), if the software is using it 
correctly it's stores UTC a flag and an offset to get the local time.  I 
assume that the OS used by the camera includes a Time/Date object.  I 
also assume it stores the Timestamp in the "standard" manner.  So yes it 
stores the data in UTC.



On 3/27/2017 4:03 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Yes, I know. That makes it not UTC.


On 27 Mar 2017, at 20:51, P. J. Alling  wrote:

It pretty much is on UTC.  The current time zone is just an offset based on the 
home city.



On 3/27/2017 3:39 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
If I had a camera that had gps I would just let it record everything as UTC 
rather than try to account for different places. It makes life easier - one 
less thing to clutter my head with. In fact even without gps I think I just 
leave them on UTC.


On 27 Mar 2017, at 19:15, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:

Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.

The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.

I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for the 
Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands are second!

Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time manually.

Greetz, Jos



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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Stanley Halpin]

Many times when I travel across time zones (a) I don’t have GPS time activated, 
and (b) I don’t remember to adjust the clock. So I wind up with a bunch of 
files which are offset -5 hours. And I have considered just leaving it that 
way. However I often search through my photos with a time in mind (e.g., 
looking for the shot of the inside of the restaurant where we had lunch) and I 
would just as soon let the camera tag the proper time on the files so I don’t 
have to remember that lunch happened at 1230 local which was 0730 on the 
camera’s clock. Or had we gone far enough west that local 1230 was now 0830? I 
just find it easier to track if the files, use local time. So when I do forget 
to have the camera do its time adjustment thing, I always do a batch correction 
later in Lightroom.

stan

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 3:39 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> If I had a camera that had gps I would just let it record everything as UTC 
> rather than try to account for different places. It makes life easier - one 
> less thing to clutter my head with. In fact even without gps I think I just 
> leave them on UTC.
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2017, at 19:15, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.
>> 
>> The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.
>> 
>> I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for the 
>> Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands are 
>> second!
>> 
>> Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time 
>> manually.
>> 
>> Greetz, Jos
>> 


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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Matthew Hunt]

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:59 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

> However the problem seems to be that
> setting that flag on Jos' camera doesn't work, or maybe I completely
> misunderstood the issue.

I don't think Jos has changed the DST checkbox manually; at least he
hasn't indicated that he has. I expect that checking the DST box will
give the correct time (until fall, at least).

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Re: Lens FOV - APS-C vs full frame vs 645D/Z

[Stanley Halpin]

OK, wide angles. I remember back almost 20 years ago when I first bought a 
FA*24/2.0 and took it out for a test drive. First look through the viewfinder 
and I was blown away. At some point I bought an A-20/2.8 and wow.

Once I got into the wonderful world of 1.5x digital, my early lenses were 
16-45, 50-135. So, 24-70ish, 70-200ish.I went out for a day’s shooting with my 
brother, borrowed his DA12-24 [18-35ish] and liked that. Eventually got one of 
my own, and the DA14, and the DA15 though not all at the same time. (Some of 
these were still on my shelf when I was planning Alaska, but I didn’t chart 
them as I never had any intention of taking my wider APS-C lenses as they gave 
me little if any advantage over the 24-70 I knew I would take for the K-1. The 
20-40 for the K-3 was a compromise, smaller and lighter than a 16-50 and thus 
more likely to be used by my wife.) In sum, my prior experience on film cameras 
went no wider than 20mm and with APS-C had been no wider than a 14mm (21mm FOV 
equivalence). So, moving to a 15mm lens on the full frame is quite a move for 
me. 

On my Alaska trip I could have taken advantage of a wider lens a few times 
(widest I took was the D FA24-70) but I got by with 2-3 shot panos, some 
handheld, some from a tripod. Actually I did have the A-20mm in my bag but 
seldom used it. Easier to do the panos and work on them later than it would 
have been to switch lenses.

One of the things that my FOV chart made apparent to me was how much I could 
extend my range on the wide end by adding the D FA15-30 or something in that 
class. And I am thinking ahead to time in the narrow alleys and canals of 
Venice later this year...

In general I much prefer to stick with Pentax items. particularly modern lenses 
with good autofocus and weather sealing. I was tempted by the new IRIX lenses, 
their 15mm is out there, their 11mm is out or will be very soon. Weather 
sealed, check, but not AF. When I saw a good deal on a LNIB D FA15-30 from KEH, 
on the day they were doing a 10% price reduction on all stock,  I made the 
plunge.  I have now had the D FA15-30 for a while. I am quite liking that lens 
and appreciate the wide end. If Pentax sold a wider (rectilinear) lens, I 
probably would not be interested. 

To your points, if I went off-brand and gave up weather sealing and AF yes I 
could find something equivalent for an APS-C body. So many tradeoffs in all of 
this, and at the end of the day I have only minor regrets in choosing the K-1 
over APS-C. And that regret is that my favorite shoulder bag is no longer 
adequate.

stan

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:17 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Part of the lack of real wide angle with APS-C is a matter of the lenses you 
> had.  Judging from spreadsheet the widest was the DA 20-40.
> 
> Now I'd prefer all Pentax lenses, but there are ultra wide angle lenses for 
> APS-C from other manufactures.   The Samyang 10mm f2.8 is ultrawide by any 
> standard, sure it's manual focus but at 10mm DOF pretty much takes care of 
> focusing even wide open, and there's the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5 or the older 
> version that's f4.0~5.6.  All three have the reputation of being fine lenses. 
>   Then there's the venerable Pentax 12-24.  Which isn't really ultrawide.  
> It's not a huge selection, but there are pretty good options.
> 
> Now there are lots of reasons to prefer a K-1 the larger viewfinder is reason 
> in itself, but I don't think there there's lens wider than 14mm for K mount 
> that covers FF, and I'm pretty sure that the selection is just about as 
> limited as for APS-C. You've got the Pentax branded Tamron design 15-30, a 
> Sigma or two in that range, the old A 15mm f3.5, the Samyang 14mm there may 
> be others but I can't think of them off the top of my head.   They're not all 
> that thick on the ground.
> 
> 
> On 3/27/2017 10:35 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
>> Looking for something totally else, I came across this spreadsheet on my 
>> hard drive: a spreadsheet comparing the field of view of various lenses on 
>> each of these 3 Pentax systems: K-1, APS-C, and 645Z. No new information, 
>> nothing that most of us don’t already know about how various lenses behave 
>> in combination with various sensors, but I found it useful to lay it out 
>> this way to be able to visually compare.
>> 
>> Dropbox link here to a pdf of the single page spreadsheet:  
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qn2tzf43nh77n1q/Lens%20FOV%20Comparison.pdf?dl=0
>> 
>> Background: Last summer I spent a lot of time and effort in preparation for 
>> a trip to Alaska. I have traveled to many places, I travel often, but the 
>> Alaska trip was still a big big thing for me. I knew I would be putting 
>> myself in position to capture some memorable photos. No guarantees that the 
>> weather would cooperate, that luggage wouldn’t get lost, that travel 
>> wouldn’t be disrupted, etc. But I wanted to do what I could ahead of time to 
>> make be sure that I had 

Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Bob W-PDML]

Yes, I know. That makes it not UTC.

> On 27 Mar 2017, at 20:51, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> It pretty much is on UTC.  The current time zone is just an offset based on 
> the home city.
> 
> 
>> On 3/27/2017 3:39 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> If I had a camera that had gps I would just let it record everything as UTC 
>> rather than try to account for different places. It makes life easier - one 
>> less thing to clutter my head with. In fact even without gps I think I just 
>> leave them on UTC.
>> 
>>> On 27 Mar 2017, at 19:15, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.
>>> 
>>> The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.
>>> 
>>> I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for the 
>>> Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands are 
>>> second!
>>> 
>>> Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time 
>>> manually.
>>> 
>>> Greetz, Jos
>>> 
> 
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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[P. J. Alling]

You're right, about the automatic DST change.  You have to change the 
DST flag to display DST.  I was wrong, at least about the K-5II.  I'm 
not going to charge a battery for the K20D to test that or go through 
the rigamarole that's required to get the *istDs or D working just to 
them.  I think they had automatic updating but who knows.  However it 
probably does have lookup table to set the correct offset from UTC based 
on city, or it has a very naive method of changing to DST, by just 
adding an hour to the display.   At this point I don't really care.  
However the problem seems to be that setting that flag on Jos' camera 
doesn't work, or maybe I completely misunderstood the issue.  If the 
lookup table does exist implementing automatic update would be trivial, 
and the kind of thing that would be done "for free".



On 3/27/2017 3:37 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:


The K-5II does, the K20D does, the *ist-Ds does, though it's set in North
America at least to a hopelessly out dated change time, as is the *ist-D.

My K10D, K-7, and K-5 II, set to New York, have never automatically
transitioned DST. I have a calendar reminder to do it when the clocks
change. The camera is never correct until I change the DST checkbox.

Here's a PentaxForums thread stating that there is no automatic DST changeover:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/342442-camera-time-dst.html


Stan's description of how his two K-1's behave are consistent with that.

Stan's description is consistent with having to check the DST box when
DST is in effect.




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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[P. J. Alling]

It pretty much is on UTC.  The current time zone is just an offset based 
on the home city.



On 3/27/2017 3:39 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

If I had a camera that had gps I would just let it record everything as UTC 
rather than try to account for different places. It makes life easier - one 
less thing to clutter my head with. In fact even without gps I think I just 
leave them on UTC.


On 27 Mar 2017, at 19:15, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:

Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.

The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.

I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for the 
Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands are second!

Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time manually.

Greetz, Jos




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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Bob W-PDML]

Our Prime Minister fires the official starting gun for Brexit tomorrow. It's 
going to be interesting in two years when the actual exit happens to see how we 
will cope with setting the clocks back to 1972. I wonder if Little Jimmy Osmond 
will still be no. 1 in the pop charts.

> On 27 Mar 2017, at 19:15, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:
> 
> Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.
> 
> The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.
> 
> I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for the 
> Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands are second!
> 
> Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time manually.
> 
> Greetz, Jos
> 
> 
>> On 27-Mar-17 17:09, Stanley Halpin wrote:
>> Jos, my understanding is that the K-1 GPS Logging has nothing to do with 
>> photography. It allows you to treat your camera as though it were a GPS 
>> handheld device, but it is not connected to your basic camera functions.
>> 
>> With Logging, a subroutine in the firmware will periodically query the GPS 
>> chip, and will store the indicated location information in a file. If you 
>> are hiking through a forest, if you set the interval to 30 seconds or 1 
>> minute you would be able to store a fairly continuous track of your path. It 
>> is a separate file on one of your cards, I believe it is not in your image 
>> folder. Later you can extract that Track and read it in various 
>> tracking/logging software. If you were driving you might want an interval of 
>> only 5 seconds. But of course the shorter the interval, the more processing 
>> you are asking for, and thus the more demands you are making on your battery.
>> 
>> The photography (main) system in your camera does not need and does not use 
>> GPS Logging. It only reads and stores GPS data as needed. If you have GPS 
>> turned on, then when you take a picture the photography system will query 
>> the GPS chip and will record location, direction etc information within the 
>> EXiF for that captured image.
>> 
>> Of course, I may be wrong, I was once wrong (maybe twice) and it might 
>> happen again at any time. But I believe the above is correct…
>> 
>> Back on the question of DST, I agree with the others’ comments - I don’t 
>> think there is anything physically wrong with your camera, but rather the 
>> problem is with the camera firmware and its ability to maintain an internal 
>> database of the various time standards in various regions. One simple answer 
>> might be to verify that you have the latest firmware. But I know that I have 
>> been in many situations where the auto-set time on various GPS capable 
>> devices has simply been wrong.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Stanley, thks. So it should work. I will contact local Pentax for info.
>>> 
>>> Maybe you can help in understanding the GPS.
>>> 
>>> What does the camera do when GPS logging is on?
>>> 
>>> Reasoning behind selecting a certain logging interval and duration?
>>> 
>>> Greetz, Jos
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 27-Mar-17 15:16, Stanley Halpin wrote:
 I just checked mine. Both have GPS Time Sync turned on. On my primary K-1, 
 I had DST checked. The indicated time was correct. On my backup, I had not 
 checked DST in the Time submenu. The indicated time was off by one hour. I 
 checked the DST Checkbox, the time immediately adjusted to the correct DST 
 local time.
 
 So, not sure what the issue is with yours, but it does seem that it is 
 working for me.
 
 stan
 
> On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  
> wrote:
> 
> This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)
> 
> I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the 
> clock 1 hour later.
> 
> I decided to let it happen automatically.
> 
> In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"
> 
> Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.
> 
> After that, the time was still not corrected.
> 
> What did I do wrong?
> 
> Greetz, Jos
> 
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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Bob W-PDML]

If I had a camera that had gps I would just let it record everything as UTC 
rather than try to account for different places. It makes life easier - one 
less thing to clutter my head with. In fact even without gps I think I just 
leave them on UTC.

> On 27 Mar 2017, at 19:15, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:
> 
> Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.
> 
> The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.
> 
> I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for the 
> Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands are second!
> 
> Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time manually.
> 
> Greetz, Jos
> 
>> 

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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

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On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

> The K-5II does, the K20D does, the *ist-Ds does, though it's set in North
> America at least to a hopelessly out dated change time, as is the *ist-D.

My K10D, K-7, and K-5 II, set to New York, have never automatically
transitioned DST. I have a calendar reminder to do it when the clocks
change. The camera is never correct until I change the DST checkbox.

Here's a PentaxForums thread stating that there is no automatic DST changeover:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/342442-camera-time-dst.html

> Stan's description of how his two K-1's behave are consistent with that.

Stan's description is consistent with having to check the DST box when
DST is in effect.

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Re: PESO: Roadside Ice sculpture

[P. J. Alling]

It's Nessy!


On 3/26/2017 11:37 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

We had 9 inches of snow on March 14, and most of it has melted away.  Along
the roads and streets in my neighborhood, however, some snow was compacted
by the snow plows and is very slow to melt.  Some of the remaining ice has
melted into interesting shapes, like this horse head:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18367547/ice-horse
k-5 IIs, DA 18-135 zoom
Comments are invited.


Dan Matyola
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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[P. J. Alling]

The K-5II does, the K20D does, the *ist-Ds does, though it's set in 
North America at least to a hopelessly out dated change time, as is the 
*ist-D.  Stan's description of how his two K-1's behave are consistent 
with that.  So I think I'm pretty safe in assuming that the K-1 will, if 
working properly, update DST based on what you've set the home city to 
or the travel destination city to in world time.  There is obviously a 
DST offset table for each of the cities in in the world time setting.



On 3/27/2017 3:00 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:


So there are a few possibilities.  You set your home city to someplace that
has the same offset from GMT/UTC as WET but doesn't observe DST, or you've
set the camera to think you're traveling to such a city.  or there's a
firmware or hardware fault in your camera, since I doubt that Ricoh's
software management team decided to ignore the entirety of Western Europe.

Or the camera does not have a built-in table for DST transitions
anywhere in the world, and requires the user to select DST manually at
the start of DST. This is the case for the K-5 II, and I've seen no
evidence that the K-1 is different.




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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

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On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

> So there are a few possibilities.  You set your home city to someplace that
> has the same offset from GMT/UTC as WET but doesn't observe DST, or you've
> set the camera to think you're traveling to such a city.  or there's a
> firmware or hardware fault in your camera, since I doubt that Ricoh's
> software management team decided to ignore the entirety of Western Europe.

Or the camera does not have a built-in table for DST transitions
anywhere in the world, and requires the user to select DST manually at
the start of DST. This is the case for the K-5 II, and I've seen no
evidence that the K-1 is different.

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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[P. J. Alling]

Well I finally decided to look at time zones, and the Netherlands is on 
WET, which means that it's a major time zone, and DST changes for all of 
that time zone at the same time.  Which by the measure of most software 
development teams is worth having in the cameras onboard time zone table.


So there are a few possibilities.  You set your home city to someplace 
that has the same offset from GMT/UTC as WET but doesn't observe DST, or 
you've set the camera to think you're traveling to such a city.  or 
there's a firmware or hardware fault in your camera, since I doubt that 
Ricoh's software management team decided to ignore the entirety of 
Western Europe.



On 3/27/2017 2:14 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:

Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.

The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.

I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for 
the Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands 
are second!


Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time 
manually.


Greetz, Jos


On 27-Mar-17 17:09, Stanley Halpin wrote:
Jos, my understanding is that the K-1 GPS Logging has nothing to do 
with photography. It allows you to treat your camera as though it 
were a GPS handheld device, but it is not connected to your basic 
camera functions.


With Logging, a subroutine in the firmware will periodically query 
the GPS chip, and will store the indicated location information in a 
file. If you are hiking through a forest, if you set the interval to 
30 seconds or 1 minute you would be able to store a fairly continuous 
track of your path. It is a separate file on one of your cards, I 
believe it is not in your image folder. Later you can extract that 
Track and read it in various tracking/logging software. If you were 
driving you might want an interval of only 5 seconds. But of course 
the shorter the interval, the more processing you are asking for, and 
thus the more demands you are making on your battery.


The photography (main) system in your camera does not need and does 
not use GPS Logging. It only reads and stores GPS data as needed. If 
you have GPS turned on, then when you take a picture the photography 
system will query the GPS chip and will record location, direction 
etc information within the EXiF for that captured image.


Of course, I may be wrong, I was once wrong (maybe twice) and it 
might happen again at any time. But I believe the above is correct…


Back on the question of DST, I agree with the others’ comments - I 
don’t think there is anything physically wrong with your camera, but 
rather the problem is with the camera firmware and its ability to 
maintain an internal database of the various time standards in 
various regions. One simple answer might be to verify that you have 
the latest firmware. But I know that I have been in many situations 
where the auto-set time on various GPS capable devices has simply 
been wrong.


stan

On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Jos de Fotograaf 
 wrote:


Hi Stanley, thks. So it should work. I will contact local Pentax for 
info.


Maybe you can help in understanding the GPS.

What does the camera do when GPS logging is on?

Reasoning behind selecting a certain logging interval and duration?

Greetz, Jos




On 27-Mar-17 15:16, Stanley Halpin wrote:
I just checked mine. Both have GPS Time Sync turned on. On my 
primary K-1, I had DST checked. The indicated time was correct. On 
my backup, I had not checked DST in the Time submenu. The indicated 
time was off by one hour. I checked the DST Checkbox, the time 
immediately adjusted to the correct DST local time.


So, not sure what the issue is with yours, but it does seem that it 
is working for me.


stan

On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf 
 wrote:


This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)

I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set 
the clock 1 hour later.


I decided to let it happen automatically.

In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"

Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.

After that, the time was still not corrected.

What did I do wrong?

Greetz, Jos


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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[P. J. Alling]

Stan, you live in a major time zone, when firmware updates stop for the 
K-1, and the U.S. changes when DST starts and ends, as they did a few 
years ago, your camera will stop updating the time correctly too.  I had 
that problem with my PC running an "outdated" OS.  It required a patch, 
which made in the registry which worked until I finally decided to 
update to the latest OS. It's not quite so easy to update firmware for 
devices like cameras, I wouldn't want to risk bricking my K-5II by 
poking around in the firmware file to make such a trivial change.



On 3/27/2017 9:16 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I just checked mine. Both have GPS Time Sync turned on. On my primary K-1, I 
had DST checked. The indicated time was correct. On my backup, I had not 
checked DST in the Time submenu. The indicated time was off by one hour. I 
checked the DST Checkbox, the time immediately adjusted to the correct DST 
local time.

So, not sure what the issue is with yours, but it does seem that it is working 
for me.

stan


On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:

This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)

I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the clock 1 
hour later.

I decided to let it happen automatically.

In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"

Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.

After that, the time was still not corrected.

What did I do wrong?

Greetz, Jos


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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Matthew Hunt]

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Jos de Fotograaf
 wrote:

> I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for the
> Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands are
> second!

Um, has anybody actually said that it changed automatically in the US
or anywhere else? I don't think it does. Stan said the time was
correct on the camera that had DST checked. The other camera became
correct when he turned DST on. That's consistent with manual selection
of the time zone and DST, not automatic.

> Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time
> manually.

Change the DST setting, not the time, if you want to continue using
the accurate time provided by GPS. If you leave DST unchecked and
change the time manually by an hour, it will become wrong again when
the GPS sets the time. (At least based on experience with the K-5 II
and O-GPS1.)

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Re: Lens FOV - APS-C vs full frame vs 645D/Z

[P. J. Alling]

Part of the lack of real wide angle with APS-C is a matter of the lenses 
you had.  Judging from spreadsheet the widest was the DA 20-40.


Now I'd prefer all Pentax lenses, but there are ultra wide angle lenses 
for APS-C from other manufactures.   The Samyang 10mm f2.8 is ultrawide 
by any standard, sure it's manual focus but at 10mm DOF pretty much 
takes care of focusing even wide open, and there's the Sigma 10-20mm 
f3.5 or the older version that's f4.0~5.6.  All three have the 
reputation of being fine lenses.   Then there's the venerable Pentax 
12-24.  Which isn't really ultrawide.  It's not a huge selection, but 
there are pretty good options.


Now there are lots of reasons to prefer a K-1 the larger viewfinder is 
reason in itself, but I don't think there there's lens wider than 14mm 
for K mount that covers FF, and I'm pretty sure that the selection is 
just about as limited as for APS-C. You've got the Pentax branded Tamron 
design 15-30, a Sigma or two in that range, the old A 15mm f3.5, the 
Samyang 14mm there may be others but I can't think of them off the top 
of my head.   They're not all that thick on the ground.



On 3/27/2017 10:35 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Looking for something totally else, I came across this spreadsheet on my hard 
drive: a spreadsheet comparing the field of view of various lenses on each of 
these 3 Pentax systems: K-1, APS-C, and 645Z. No new information, nothing that 
most of us don’t already know about how various lenses behave in combination 
with various sensors, but I found it useful to lay it out this way to be able 
to visually compare.

Dropbox link here to a pdf of the single page spreadsheet:  
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qn2tzf43nh77n1q/Lens%20FOV%20Comparison.pdf?dl=0

Background: Last summer I spent a lot of time and effort in preparation for a 
trip to Alaska. I have traveled to many places, I travel often, but the Alaska 
trip was still a big big thing for me. I knew I would be putting myself in 
position to capture some memorable photos. No guarantees that the weather would 
cooperate, that luggage wouldn’t get lost, that travel wouldn’t be disrupted, 
etc. But I wanted to do what I could ahead of time to make be sure that I had 
the best possible photo gear to be able to take advantage of whatever photo 
opportunities might present themselves. So part of my planning and preparation 
was to think through the sort of scenes I might have, and to previsualize THE 
shots I would take.

At the time, summer of 2016, I had three camera systems: K-3 APS-C, K-1 full 
frame, and 645Z. Plus a variety of lenses for each system. There was no way I 
was going to travel with everything, (and there was no way that everything I 
did take to Alaska would be with me on every field trip I might take) and so I 
spent quite a bit of time thinking about which camera body/lens combination 
would work best for various expected situations. As part of that process I 
found some resources on the web which calculated the effective field of view 
for lenses of a given focal length paired with various sensor sizes. From those 
resources I pulled information about lenses I had or might conceivably acquire 
and created the linked spreadsheet. Note that the Field of View in degrees 
(FOV°) as often used will typically refer to the diagonal dimension of the 
sensor - I chose instead to look at the horizontal FOV° because that was more 
meaningful for me as I tried to visualize various scenes.

In the end I took all three systems with a subset of the lenses. I convinced my 
wife to use the K-3 as her primary camera in lieu of her Leica P she usually 
uses. So, one less for me to carry, but available as a backup if needed. I used the 
K-1 as my primary, with the 645Z along mostly for a few selected landscape shots.
I have since sold all of my APS-C gear and most of the 645Z system (still have 
one lens to sell). I think the linked spreadsheet nicely illustrates the major 
advantage of the full frame vs the other two systems: availability of lenses. 
Neither 645 nor APS-C provides the option of significant wide angle. Yes, I 
will grant that the 1.5x crop-factor on the APS-C is nice when trying to 
capture wildlife a few hundred yards away, but the DA*400/5.6 on my K-1, with 
images cropped in post processing, helped to full that niche. And I will grant 
that the size and weight of the K-1 vs. K-3 and other APS-C options can weigh 
heavily (pun intended) in favor of the smaller lighter system. But for me I 
will put up with the weight and bulk in order to be able to obtain a better 
selection of lenses within the FOV range that I prefer to shoot.

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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Stan, your explanation of GPS sounds logic, thks.

The GPS is also used when shooting ASTRO, but I did not try that yet.

I will check with Ricoh/Pentax why there would be no DST timetable for 
the Netherlands. As they should know US could be first but Netherlands 
are second!


Anyhow, I will not wait for the software update, but change the time 
manually.


Greetz, Jos


On 27-Mar-17 17:09, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Jos, my understanding is that the K-1 GPS Logging has nothing to do with 
photography. It allows you to treat your camera as though it were a GPS 
handheld device, but it is not connected to your basic camera functions.

With Logging, a subroutine in the firmware will periodically query the GPS 
chip, and will store the indicated location information in a file. If you are 
hiking through a forest, if you set the interval to 30 seconds or 1 minute you 
would be able to store a fairly continuous track of your path. It is a separate 
file on one of your cards, I believe it is not in your image folder. Later you 
can extract that Track and read it in various tracking/logging software. If you 
were driving you might want an interval of only 5 seconds. But of course the 
shorter the interval, the more processing you are asking for, and thus the more 
demands you are making on your battery.

The photography (main) system in your camera does not need and does not use GPS 
Logging. It only reads and stores GPS data as needed. If you have GPS turned 
on, then when you take a picture the photography system will query the GPS chip 
and will record location, direction etc information within the EXiF for that 
captured image.

Of course, I may be wrong, I was once wrong (maybe twice) and it might happen 
again at any time. But I believe the above is correct…

Back on the question of DST, I agree with the others’ comments - I don’t think 
there is anything physically wrong with your camera, but rather the problem is 
with the camera firmware and its ability to maintain an internal database of 
the various time standards in various regions. One simple answer might be to 
verify that you have the latest firmware. But I know that I have been in many 
situations where the auto-set time on various GPS capable devices has simply 
been wrong.

stan


On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:

Hi Stanley, thks. So it should work. I will contact local Pentax for info.

Maybe you can help in understanding the GPS.

What does the camera do when GPS logging is on?

Reasoning behind selecting a certain logging interval and duration?

Greetz, Jos




On 27-Mar-17 15:16, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I just checked mine. Both have GPS Time Sync turned on. On my primary K-1, I 
had DST checked. The indicated time was correct. On my backup, I had not 
checked DST in the Time submenu. The indicated time was off by one hour. I 
checked the DST Checkbox, the time immediately adjusted to the correct DST 
local time.

So, not sure what the issue is with yours, but it does seem that it is working 
for me.

stan


On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:

This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)

I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the clock 1 
hour later.

I decided to let it happen automatically.

In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"

Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.

After that, the time was still not corrected.

What did I do wrong?

Greetz, Jos


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Re: Photo books question

[David J Brooks]

I will pass that along Thnks

Dave

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> David J Brooks wrote:
>
>>On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Mark Roberts
>> wrote:
>>> Dave, for your purposes (and likely time commitment) I'd recommend you
>>> download Blurb's "Booksmart" software and work with one of their
>>> built-in templates. You'll have the quickest learning curve and lowest
>>> frustration level that way.
>>
>>Mark do you great your own borders and theme for our books.? I'm
>
> Yep. The book is all assembled in InDesign. It has a long, steep
> learning curve and many foibles.
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Re: An idea for a silly experiment

[P. J. Alling]

What it will come down to these days is the scanner.  Then it will be a 
digital to digital comparison,  which will  compromise your test.


So let's say that you want to compare like to like.

So what really needs to be done is to say take an LX, or an MZ-S or a 
PZ-1p arguably the best film bodies Pentax made,  and a K-1 get the best 
lens that gives good results on both film and digital, I'd assume for 
the task the original non weather sealed DFA 100mm f2.8 macro for the LX 
and MZ-S, or the DFA  50mm f2.8 Macro,  the newer versions will work 
with the PZ-1p, and a sturdy tripod.


Make identical captures from an the same position, at various f stops 
and shutter speeds.


Now you have to shoot slides, then negatives, and maybe B film and 
compare it against the digital output.


But here's where it gets complicated.  You cannot scan the film. You 
have to wet it process it "wet" end to end.  That means a well equipped 
darkroom with an good sturdy enlarger, and the best enlarging lens 
possible best paper, (I'd like to witness the food fight over just 
that),  for the negative color and B prints.


For digital the best Photographic printer,  (see my comment on wet 
process printer paper above), that's capable of Color and B possible 
then do a blind test to compare the prints, and a printer paper at least 
as good as the wet process paper, (hey another food fight yea)!


How do you compare the slides to digital files?  Damned if I know.  
Project the slides with the best possible projector and compare it to 
the files projected by the best digital projector? That doesn't seem 
fair as I don't know of any digital projector that comes close to a well 
projected 35mm slide.


Compare the projected slide on a 5' screen to a 4k capable digital 
monitor of the same size?  Somehow that doesn't seem fair either, but 
I'm not sure to which process it's less fair.


Once you've got a good handle on how good each process can be with an 
identical lens then you can test the legacy glass, and the digital 
glass, (I guess you'll have to invest in a PZ-1p if you don't already 
own one), and know it's the lens and not the process.


Now on your last point, art is in your head.  I don't mean that as a bad 
thing.  It's just not measurable by metrics.  Which is why conmen  seem 
to have infested the art world.   Sadly, when one man's art is another 
man's junk, someone will be willing to produce junk and sell it as art.  
I miss the good old days when an art forger needed some skills at least 
as a draftsman.



On 3/27/2017 1:04 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
The whole time I've been shooting with dslrs an inevitable topic of 
conversation has been comparison with film. I just realized, someone 
could go out with a tripod, a K-1, and one or more film bodies, and 
take each shot, with the same lens and get a direct comparison. They 
could not only shoot at the same ISO, shutter speed, and aperture, but 
they could also set adjust the settings on the K-1 to whatever they 
felt was the best use of the camera's abilities.  There are several 
things I'm curious about:

differences of legacy glass on film vs digital
differences of modern glass on film vs digital
Apart from any difference in the technical quality of the images, what 
about differences in the artistic quality of the images.


I don't think I even have a film body that will work with some of the 
new glass, so my current lack of time to do anything like this is 
pretty much moot.  Although a set of comparisons like this might make 
for a really fun PDML photo expedition.





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Re: PESO The butterfly effect

[Toine]

Yes, most likely. I should have noticed the spikes on the end of the
branches if it was Blackthorn, probably ignored them while hunting the
butterfly.

Toine

On 27 March 2017 at 18:39, mike wilson  wrote:
> On Blackthorn (prunus spinosa)?
>
>> On 27 March 2017 at 15:06 Toine  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes it's a Comma. Some species are in decline, others are coming back
>> like this Comma (which is more like it's moving north). Climate
>> change... A once very rare moth, Oak processionary, is now a real pest
>> as a caterpillar.
>>
>> Toine
>>
>> On 27 March 2017 at 14:30, Alan C  wrote:
>> > Well you've certainly sprung back, Toine. A very apt spring photo. While
>> > trying to identifying the butterfly (Comma, I think) I sadly saw that
>> > butterflies are in serious decline in the Netherlands.
>> >
>> > Alan C
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Toine
>> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:52 AM
>> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> > Subject: PESO The butterfly effect
>> >
>> >
>> > My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
>> > which broke things)
>> > As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:
>> >
>> > http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/
>> >
>> > Spring has arrived at full speed.
>> >
>> > Toine
>> >
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Re: An idea for a silly experiment

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 1:04 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> The whole time I've been shooting with dslrs an inevitable topic of 
> conversation has been comparison with film. I just realized, someone could go 
> out with a tripod, a K-1, and one or more film bodies, and take each shot, 
> with the same lens and get a direct comparison. They could not only shoot at 
> the same ISO, shutter speed, and aperture, but they could also set adjust the 
> settings on the K-1 to whatever they felt was the best use of the camera's 
> abilities.  There are several things I'm curious about:
> differences of legacy glass on film vs digital
> differences of modern glass on film vs digital
> Apart from any difference in the technical quality of the images, what about 
> differences in the artistic quality of the images.
> 
> I don't think I even have a film body that will work with some of the new 
> glass, so my current lack of time to do anything like this is pretty much 
> moot.  Although a set of comparisons like this might make for a really fun 
> PDML photo expedition.
> 
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I have an ME-Super and a K-1000 but I don’t know if either works properly. I 
think I have film someplace… We’ll see.

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Re: An idea for a silly experiment

[Stanley Halpin]

You are welcome to stop by any time and use mine…

stan

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 12:41 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
>> On 27 March 2017 at 06:04 Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The whole time I've been shooting with dslrs an inevitable topic of 
>> conversation has been comparison with film. I just realized, someone 
>> could go out with a tripod, a K-1, and one or more film bodies, and take 
>> each shot, with the same lens and get a direct comparison. ...
> 
> I have a Z1-p and a bunch of legacy glass.   If someone would care to lend a
> K-1.
> 


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Re: Please donate to the cause

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

+1

G

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Jan van Wijk  wrote:
> 
> Done
> 
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 12:28:03 -0400 Doug Brewer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So please, when you can, surf over to www.pdml.net and toss some bread into 
>> the cup.
> 
> 
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Re: An idea for a silly experiment

[mike wilson]

> On 27 March 2017 at 06:04 Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> The whole time I've been shooting with dslrs an inevitable topic of 
> conversation has been comparison with film. I just realized, someone 
> could go out with a tripod, a K-1, and one or more film bodies, and take 
> each shot, with the same lens and get a direct comparison. They could 
> not only shoot at the same ISO, shutter speed, and aperture, but they 
> could also set adjust the settings on the K-1 to whatever they felt was 
> the best use of the camera's abilities.  There are several things I'm 
> curious about:
> differences of legacy glass on film vs digital
> differences of modern glass on film vs digital
> Apart from any difference in the technical quality of the images, what 
> about differences in the artistic quality of the images.
> 
> I don't think I even have a film body that will work with some of the 
> new glass, so my current lack of time to do anything like this is pretty 
> much moot.  Although a set of comparisons like this might make for a 
> really fun PDML photo expedition.

I have a Z1-p and a bunch of legacy glass.   If someone would care to lend a
K-1.

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Re: PESO The butterfly effect

[mike wilson]

On Blackthorn (prunus spinosa)?  

> On 27 March 2017 at 15:06 Toine  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes it's a Comma. Some species are in decline, others are coming back
> like this Comma (which is more like it's moving north). Climate
> change... A once very rare moth, Oak processionary, is now a real pest
> as a caterpillar.
> 
> Toine
> 
> On 27 March 2017 at 14:30, Alan C  wrote:
> > Well you've certainly sprung back, Toine. A very apt spring photo. While
> > trying to identifying the butterfly (Comma, I think) I sadly saw that
> > butterflies are in serious decline in the Netherlands.
> >
> > Alan C
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Toine
> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:52 AM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: PESO The butterfly effect
> >
> >
> > My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
> > which broke things)
> > As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:
> >
> > http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/
> >
> > Spring has arrived at full speed.
> >
> > Toine
> >
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Re: An idea for a silly experiment

[John Francis]

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 10:04:03PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> The whole time I've been shooting with dslrs an inevitable topic of
> conversation has been comparison with film. I just realized, someone could
> go out with a tripod, a K-1, and one or more film bodies, and take each
> shot, with the same lens and get a direct comparison. They could not only
> shoot at the same ISO, shutter speed, and aperture, but they could also set
> adjust the settings on the K-1 to whatever they felt was the best use of the
> camera's abilities.  There are several things I'm curious about:
> differences of legacy glass on film vs digital
> differences of modern glass on film vs digital
> Apart from any difference in the technical quality of the images, what about
> differences in the artistic quality of the images.
> 
> I don't think I even have a film body that will work with some of the new
> glass, so my current lack of time to do anything like this is pretty much
> moot.  Although a set of comparisons like this might make for a really fun
> PDML photo expedition.

If you ever find the time, I've still got a PZ-1p (and an MZ-S and a couple
of MX bodies, for use with anything that has an aperture ring ...)


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Re: Photo books question

[Mark Roberts]

David J Brooks wrote:

>On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>> Dave, for your purposes (and likely time commitment) I'd recommend you
>> download Blurb's "Booksmart" software and work with one of their
>> built-in templates. You'll have the quickest learning curve and lowest
>> frustration level that way.
>
>Mark do you great your own borders and theme for our books.? I'm

Yep. The book is all assembled in InDesign. It has a long, steep
learning curve and many foibles.
 
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Re: PESO: Roadside Ice sculpture

[John Sessoms]

Looks like the new Photo.net is still majorly EFFED-UP. I get message to
widen my search and a box that says it's tagged as NSFW & I need to
create an account to see the content.

On 3/27/2017 9:45 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I like the wave description even better than my horse head.  Thanks!

If anyone is interested, here is a small gallery of the ice formations in
my neighborhood.

https://www.photo.net/gallery/1106271#//Sort-Newest/All-Categories/All-Time/Page-1

Dan

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:54 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:


I see a breaking wave :-)





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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Stanley Halpin]

Jos, my understanding is that the K-1 GPS Logging has nothing to do with 
photography. It allows you to treat your camera as though it were a GPS 
handheld device, but it is not connected to your basic camera functions.

With Logging, a subroutine in the firmware will periodically query the GPS 
chip, and will store the indicated location information in a file. If you are 
hiking through a forest, if you set the interval to 30 seconds or 1 minute you 
would be able to store a fairly continuous track of your path. It is a separate 
file on one of your cards, I believe it is not in your image folder. Later you 
can extract that Track and read it in various tracking/logging software. If you 
were driving you might want an interval of only 5 seconds. But of course the 
shorter the interval, the more processing you are asking for, and thus the more 
demands you are making on your battery.

The photography (main) system in your camera does not need and does not use GPS 
Logging. It only reads and stores GPS data as needed. If you have GPS turned 
on, then when you take a picture the photography system will query the GPS chip 
and will record location, direction etc information within the EXiF for that 
captured image.

Of course, I may be wrong, I was once wrong (maybe twice) and it might happen 
again at any time. But I believe the above is correct…

Back on the question of DST, I agree with the others’ comments - I don’t think 
there is anything physically wrong with your camera, but rather the problem is 
with the camera firmware and its ability to maintain an internal database of 
the various time standards in various regions. One simple answer might be to 
verify that you have the latest firmware. But I know that I have been in many 
situations where the auto-set time on various GPS capable devices has simply 
been wrong. 

stan

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:35 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Stanley, thks. So it should work. I will contact local Pentax for info.
> 
> Maybe you can help in understanding the GPS.
> 
> What does the camera do when GPS logging is on?
> 
> Reasoning behind selecting a certain logging interval and duration?
> 
> Greetz, Jos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 27-Mar-17 15:16, Stanley Halpin wrote:
>> I just checked mine. Both have GPS Time Sync turned on. On my primary K-1, I 
>> had DST checked. The indicated time was correct. On my backup, I had not 
>> checked DST in the Time submenu. The indicated time was off by one hour. I 
>> checked the DST Checkbox, the time immediately adjusted to the correct DST 
>> local time.
>> 
>> So, not sure what the issue is with yours, but it does seem that it is 
>> working for me.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)
>>> 
>>> I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the clock 
>>> 1 hour later.
>>> 
>>> I decided to let it happen automatically.
>>> 
>>> In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"
>>> 
>>> Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.
>>> 
>>> After that, the time was still not corrected.
>>> 
>>> What did I do wrong?
>>> 
>>> Greetz, Jos
>>> 
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Fwd: Peso-European Wigeon Pair

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Subject: Peso-European Wigeon Pair



He is likely wondering why she's pouting.

150-450

C? Thanks!

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Re: Photo books question

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Dave, for your purposes (and likely time commitment) I'd recommend you
> download Blurb's "Booksmart" software and work with one of their
> built-in templates. You'll have the quickest learning curve and lowest
> frustration level that way.

Mark do you great your own borders and theme for our books.? I'm
assuming so and that you use creative suite or something like that.??

Dave
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Peso-European Wigeon Pair

[Jack Davis]

He is likely wondering why she's pouting.

150-450

C? Thanks!

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Re: Please donate to the cause

[Jan van Wijk]

Done

On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 12:28:03 -0400 Doug Brewer wrote:
>
>
>So please, when you can, surf over to www.pdml.net and toss some bread into 
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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[P. J. Alling]

I don't know for sure but I expect that the firmware doesn't have every 
different DST change programmed in.  It wouldn't surprise me at all that 
the programmers tasked were following a requirement document that didn't 
include the Netherlands or a lot of other "smaller" districts that have 
different dates for the change or say the places with relatively small 
populations that change DST by 1/2 hour rather than a full hour, or that 
don't change to DST and are surrounded by others that do.  DST is 
needlessly complicated, most of all because it's meaningless, except to 
actually hurt peoples health.


This is not to say that that the Netherlands isn't small or unimportant, 
but there is limited storage space in firmware and not all the things 
you'd like to include can fit.


On 3/27/2017 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:

This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)

I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the 
clock 1 hour later.


I decided to let it happen automatically.

In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"

Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.

After that, the time was still not corrected.

What did I do wrong?

Greetz, Jos





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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Eric Featherstone]

Just because the K-1 has a GPS doesn't mean it knows about DST. For
that you need an extra file of info listing for every country in the
world the dates that DST in that country begins and ends. My Garmin
gps for example has such a list (and that list gets regular updates)
and the firmware to make use of such a list. I doubt Pentax implements
such a scheme or distributes such a list. Understanding timezones is
bad enough [1], understanding the continually changing DST laws is
harder. That's why there's the DST checkbox in the menu system.

[1] http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1799

On 27 March 2017 at 15:29, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:
> Hi Matthew, that is a practical approach, but K1 has GPS and should know the
> local time, Greetz, Jos
>
>
>
> On 27-Mar-17 15:04, Matthew Hunt wrote:
>>
>> I don't have a K-1, but none of my Pentax cameras have ever
>> transitioned automatically between standard time and DST. That is, the
>> camera does not know the rules for DST transitions, but instead relies
>> on the user to tell it whether DST is in effect. The camera will use
>> the timezone and DST setting that you tell it to convert from
>> universal time (from the GPS) to local time.
>>
>> My cameras let me set two time zones of interest: A "hometown" time
>> zone (orange house) and a "destination" time zone (blue airplane). I
>> set the home time zone to Eastern Standard Time (i.e. "New York" time,
>> no DST) and the destination time zone to Eastern Daylight Time (i.e.
>> "New York" time, with DST).
>>
>> In the spring, I select the "destination" time zone, and in the fall I
>> go back to the "hometown" time zone.
>>
>> Alternatively, you could check and uncheck DST as required.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)
>>>
>>> I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the
>>> clock 1
>>> hour later.
>>>
>>> I decided to let it happen automatically.
>>>
>>> In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"
>>>
>>> Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.
>>>
>>> After that, the time was still not corrected.
>>>
>>> What did I do wrong?
>>>
>>> Greetz, Jos
>>>
>>>
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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Matthew Hunt]

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Jos de Fotograaf
 wrote:

> Hi Matthew, that is a practical approach, but K1 has GPS and should know the
> local time, Greetz, Jos

Every year some countries in the world change their laws regarding
time zones and DST. I would imagine Pentax doesn't want to take on the
responsibility of issuing firmware updates for years to incorporate
these changes.

(For examples, here's the mailing list archive for one of the software
libraries that tracks these sorts of changes:
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz-announce/
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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Hi Stanley, thks. So it should work. I will contact local Pentax for info.

Maybe you can help in understanding the GPS.

What does the camera do when GPS logging is on?

Reasoning behind selecting a certain logging interval and duration?

Greetz, Jos




On 27-Mar-17 15:16, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I just checked mine. Both have GPS Time Sync turned on. On my primary K-1, I 
had DST checked. The indicated time was correct. On my backup, I had not 
checked DST in the Time submenu. The indicated time was off by one hour. I 
checked the DST Checkbox, the time immediately adjusted to the correct DST 
local time.

So, not sure what the issue is with yours, but it does seem that it is working 
for me.

stan


On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:

This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)

I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the clock 1 
hour later.

I decided to let it happen automatically.

In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"

Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.

After that, the time was still not corrected.

What did I do wrong?

Greetz, Jos


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Lens FOV - APS-C vs full frame vs 645D/Z

[Stanley Halpin]

Looking for something totally else, I came across this spreadsheet on my hard 
drive: a spreadsheet comparing the field of view of various lenses on each of 
these 3 Pentax systems: K-1, APS-C, and 645Z. No new information, nothing that 
most of us don’t already know about how various lenses behave in combination 
with various sensors, but I found it useful to lay it out this way to be able 
to visually compare.

Dropbox link here to a pdf of the single page spreadsheet:  
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qn2tzf43nh77n1q/Lens%20FOV%20Comparison.pdf?dl=0

Background: Last summer I spent a lot of time and effort in preparation for a 
trip to Alaska. I have traveled to many places, I travel often, but the Alaska 
trip was still a big big thing for me. I knew I would be putting myself in 
position to capture some memorable photos. No guarantees that the weather would 
cooperate, that luggage wouldn’t get lost, that travel wouldn’t be disrupted, 
etc. But I wanted to do what I could ahead of time to make be sure that I had 
the best possible photo gear to be able to take advantage of whatever photo 
opportunities might present themselves. So part of my planning and preparation 
was to think through the sort of scenes I might have, and to previsualize THE 
shots I would take. 

At the time, summer of 2016, I had three camera systems: K-3 APS-C, K-1 full 
frame, and 645Z. Plus a variety of lenses for each system. There was no way I 
was going to travel with everything, (and there was no way that everything I 
did take to Alaska would be with me on every field trip I might take) and so I 
spent quite a bit of time thinking about which camera body/lens combination 
would work best for various expected situations. As part of that process I 
found some resources on the web which calculated the effective field of view 
for lenses of a given focal length paired with various sensor sizes. From those 
resources I pulled information about lenses I had or might conceivably acquire 
and created the linked spreadsheet. Note that the Field of View in degrees 
(FOV°) as often used will typically refer to the diagonal dimension of the 
sensor - I chose instead to look at the horizontal FOV° because that was more 
meaningful for me as I tried to visualize various scenes.

In the end I took all three systems with a subset of the lenses. I convinced my 
wife to use the K-3 as her primary camera in lieu of her Leica P she usually 
uses. So, one less for me to carry, but available as a backup if needed. I used 
the K-1 as my primary, with the 645Z along mostly for a few selected landscape 
shots.
I have since sold all of my APS-C gear and most of the 645Z system (still have 
one lens to sell). I think the linked spreadsheet nicely illustrates the major 
advantage of the full frame vs the other two systems: availability of lenses. 
Neither 645 nor APS-C provides the option of significant wide angle. Yes, I 
will grant that the 1.5x crop-factor on the APS-C is nice when trying to 
capture wildlife a few hundred yards away, but the DA*400/5.6 on my K-1, with 
images cropped in post processing, helped to full that niche. And I will grant 
that the size and weight of the K-1 vs. K-3 and other APS-C options can weigh 
heavily (pun intended) in favor of the smaller lighter system. But for me I 
will put up with the weight and bulk in order to be able to obtain a better 
selection of lenses within the FOV range that I prefer to shoot.

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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

Hi Matthew, that is a practical approach, but K1 has GPS and should know 
the local time, Greetz, Jos



On 27-Mar-17 15:04, Matthew Hunt wrote:

I don't have a K-1, but none of my Pentax cameras have ever
transitioned automatically between standard time and DST. That is, the
camera does not know the rules for DST transitions, but instead relies
on the user to tell it whether DST is in effect. The camera will use
the timezone and DST setting that you tell it to convert from
universal time (from the GPS) to local time.

My cameras let me set two time zones of interest: A "hometown" time
zone (orange house) and a "destination" time zone (blue airplane). I
set the home time zone to Eastern Standard Time (i.e. "New York" time,
no DST) and the destination time zone to Eastern Daylight Time (i.e.
"New York" time, with DST).

In the spring, I select the "destination" time zone, and in the fall I
go back to the "hometown" time zone.

Alternatively, you could check and uncheck DST as required.

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf
 wrote:

This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)

I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the clock 1
hour later.

I decided to let it happen automatically.

In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"

Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.

After that, the time was still not corrected.

What did I do wrong?

Greetz, Jos


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Re: PESO The butterfly effect

[Jack Davis]

Uniquely artistic, Toine.
Welcome.

J

- Original Message -
From: "Toine" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 7:06:15 AM
Subject: Re: PESO The butterfly effect

Yes it's a Comma. Some species are in decline, others are coming back
like this Comma (which is more like it's moving north). Climate
change... A once very rare moth, Oak processionary, is now a real pest
as a caterpillar.

Toine

On 27 March 2017 at 14:30, Alan C  wrote:
> Well you've certainly sprung back, Toine. A very apt spring photo. While
> trying to identifying the butterfly (Comma, I think) I sadly saw that
> butterflies are in serious decline in the Netherlands.
>
> Alan C
>
> -Original Message- From: Toine
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:52 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO The butterfly effect
>
>
> My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
> which broke things)
> As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/
>
> Spring has arrived at full speed.
>
> Toine
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Re: PESO The butterfly effect

[Toine]

Yes it's a Comma. Some species are in decline, others are coming back
like this Comma (which is more like it's moving north). Climate
change... A once very rare moth, Oak processionary, is now a real pest
as a caterpillar.

Toine

On 27 March 2017 at 14:30, Alan C  wrote:
> Well you've certainly sprung back, Toine. A very apt spring photo. While
> trying to identifying the butterfly (Comma, I think) I sadly saw that
> butterflies are in serious decline in the Netherlands.
>
> Alan C
>
> -Original Message- From: Toine
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:52 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO The butterfly effect
>
>
> My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
> which broke things)
> As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/
>
> Spring has arrived at full speed.
>
> Toine
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Re: PESO: Roadside Ice sculpture

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I like the wave description even better than my horse head.  Thanks!

If anyone is interested, here is a small gallery of the ice formations in
my neighborhood.

https://www.photo.net/gallery/1106271#//Sort-Newest/All-Categories/All-Time/Page-1

Dan

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:54 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> I see a breaking wave :-)




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Re: PESO The butterfly effect

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is unique and quite effective!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Toine  wrote:

> My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
> which broke things)
> As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:
>
> http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/
>
> Spring has arrived at full speed.
>
> Toine
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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Stanley Halpin]

I just checked mine. Both have GPS Time Sync turned on. On my primary K-1, I 
had DST checked. The indicated time was correct. On my backup, I had not 
checked DST in the Time submenu. The indicated time was off by one hour. I 
checked the DST Checkbox, the time immediately adjusted to the correct DST 
local time.

So, not sure what the issue is with yours, but it does seem that it is working 
for me.

stan

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf  wrote:
> 
> This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)
> 
> I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the clock 1 
> hour later.
> 
> I decided to let it happen automatically.
> 
> In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"
> 
> Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.
> 
> After that, the time was still not corrected.
> 
> What did I do wrong?
> 
> Greetz, Jos
> 
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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Matthew Hunt]

I don't have a K-1, but none of my Pentax cameras have ever
transitioned automatically between standard time and DST. That is, the
camera does not know the rules for DST transitions, but instead relies
on the user to tell it whether DST is in effect. The camera will use
the timezone and DST setting that you tell it to convert from
universal time (from the GPS) to local time.

My cameras let me set two time zones of interest: A "hometown" time
zone (orange house) and a "destination" time zone (blue airplane). I
set the home time zone to Eastern Standard Time (i.e. "New York" time,
no DST) and the destination time zone to Eastern Daylight Time (i.e.
"New York" time, with DST).

In the spring, I select the "destination" time zone, and in the fall I
go back to the "hometown" time zone.

Alternatively, you could check and uncheck DST as required.

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Jos de Fotograaf
 wrote:
> This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)
>
> I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the clock 1
> hour later.
>
> I decided to let it happen automatically.
>
> In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"
>
> Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.
>
> After that, the time was still not corrected.
>
> What did I do wrong?
>
> Greetz, Jos
>
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Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST?

[Jos de Fotograaf]

This weekend my country (Netherlands) moved to summer time (DST)

I could have changed the clock of my K1 the easy way by just set the 
clock 1 hour later.


I decided to let it happen automatically.

In the menu I selected "GPS time sync"

Then I switched on GPS logging and left it on for one hour.

After that, the time was still not corrected.

What did I do wrong?

Greetz, Jos


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Re: PESO The butterfly effect

[Alan C]

Well you've certainly sprung back, Toine. A very apt spring photo. While 
trying to identifying the butterfly (Comma, I think) I sadly saw that 
butterflies are in serious decline in the Netherlands.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Toine

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:52 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO The butterfly effect

My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
which broke things)
As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:

http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/

Spring has arrived at full speed.

Toine

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Re: PESO: Roadside Ice sculpture

[Steve Cottrell]

On 26/3/17, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>We had 9 inches of snow on March 14, and most of it has melted away.  Along
>the roads and streets in my neighborhood, however, some snow was compacted
>by the snow plows and is very slow to melt.  Some of the remaining ice has
>melted into interesting shapes, like this horse head:
>
>https://www.photo.net/photo/18367547/ice-horse
>k-5 IIs, DA 18-135 zoom
>Comments are invited.

I see a breaking wave :-)

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Re: Mac OS Sierra question

[Steve Cottrell]

On 26/3/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>ChronoSync

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Re: PESO - arms

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you very much, Ken.


On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Well done Bruce.
>
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Chris Mitchell 
>>Subject: Re: PESO - arms
>>
>>Very good Bruce, you wound us up well! Arms indeed...
>>
>>Chris
>>PS nice picture...
>>
>>On 25 March 2017 at 17:53, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>> Monochrome study, July 2015. NSFW: nips.
>>>
>>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IaZZbCOcFfMg
>>>
>>> K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 43mm, f/11, 1/160th sec, 100 ISO.
>>> One strobe with 7" reflector, grid and barn doors, camera-left, above.
>>>
>>> Dorrie Mack, model.
>>>
>>> Just post-processed this morning. I sat on this for ages because I
>>> just couldn't make a decision about how to finish it. Finally "saw the
>>> light" after much studying of the old dead white guys, most recently
>>> Arnold Newman. (Clearly with none of Newman's signature style here
>>> though. :) )
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
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PESO The butterfly effect

[Toine]

My site was broken for months after some stupid upgrades (new features
which broke things)
As a test run a shot from yesterdays photowalk:

http://www.repiuk.nl/content/butterflyeffect/

Spring has arrived at full speed.

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