Article Ian sent:
US hawk wants Turkey in EU
Writing in the Turkish Daily Cumhuriyet today Mustafa Balbay
claims that, according to his sources, US hawks want Turkey in
Iraq too. He reports that the US asked Turkey to be the logistic
base of the attack on Iraq and plans to station 250,000
Key Aide Seeks Military Pledge From Turkey
By Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 3, 2002; Page A01
LONDON, Dec. 2 -- Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz
today launched a mission to press Turkey to allow the United
States to use its military bases and to provide
Gene wrote about the sophisticated financing that allows Harvard to
maintain its position as a preeminent business while apparently offering
charity.
and
At 02/12/02 08:02 -0800, Johan wrote:
When will the vast armies of
the working intelligentsia see the bigger picture on
a world scale?
Sabri Oncu wrote:
I don't know what troll means but I happen to have some ideas
about right wingers. I hold that a necessary, but not sufficient,
condition for being a leftist is the recognition that the US is
an imperialist state screwing most of the rest of the world.
Don't forget the U.S.'s
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/02/02 05:50PM
Also, many of the maq's are shutting down as contractors flee to China and
other low cost labor.
Michael Perelman
just released international labour organization report indicates 200,000 such jobs
have shifted to china... michael hoover
Title: RE: [PEN-L:32701] Re: Maquiladoras not beneficial
to me, it doesn't matter that much whether deLong is a right-winger or not. I can filter out his right-wing opinions, just as I do with the New York TIMES or U.S. National Public Radio. Just as I filter out a lot of the crap that some
Title: the state and eternal war.
was: [RE: [PEN-L:32699] Re: Re: eternal war for eternal peace update]
of course, eternal war will produce eternal peace for many...
Ian quotes:
If protection rackets represent organized crime at its smoothest, then
war making and state making -
A little while ago I discovered that Brad Delong has an article
defending neoliberalism in Mexico on his website that originally
appeared in Foreign Affairs:
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/Econ_Articles/themexicanpesocrisis.html
It is very useful, even if totally wrong--especially when read
Lou is correct on several points. Brad typically supports neo-liberal
policies abroad and, at least to my mind, he is more often than not wrong.
Also, the 3 people he mentioned did leave in disgust about Brad's
behavior. I thought that it would have been healthier to have dialogued
with Brad,
Chris wrote:
enough insight and flexible irony,
(thank you)...and...
could only have conviction in the importance of
increasing the market share of enterprise A versus
enterprise B and feign some team spirit
Right so. The two just wont mix, will they! Poor
capital, how can it muster
I received the following PR Release today. The dow-chemical.com
site is quite a sophisticated satire of the real thing (at dow.com).
In today's surreal news world, the line between spoof and
official is blurred far beyond Jonathan Swift, so that the
corporate blathering of the Dan Rathers in
Title: Social Security and the 2002 Election
November 7, 2002
Social Security and the 2002 Election
by Michael Tanner
Michael Tanner is director of the Cato Institute's Project on Social Security Choice.
"This election is a referendum on
Michael Perelman wrote:
Lou is correct on several points. Brad typically supports neo-liberal
policies abroad and, at least to my mind, he is more often than not wrong.
Also, the 3 people he mentioned did leave in disgust about Brad's
behavior. I thought that it would have been healthier to
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From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't forget the U.S.'s junior partners, like Canada, the EU, and
Japan, who sometimes act as if they're above the imperial screwing
even as they benefit from it.
Doug
Not long after 9-11 there was a
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
this is the standard way that the US imperialists see it: the US
provides
international public goods from which the other countries -- including
the
totally dominated ones -- benefit. The countries that don't go along
(e.g.,
test
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Title: RE: [PEN-L:32721] Re: Maquiladoras not beneficial
I described:
the standard way that the US imperialists see it: the US provides international public goods from which the other countries -- including the totally dominated ones -- benefit. The countries that don't go along (e.g.,
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ian, Ian, Ian! you're getting too close to reality! the efforts by
individual parts of the military-industrial complex (or the whole
shebang)
to gain advantage for themselves is part of the reality of imperialism.
It's
not
Dialogue requires a certain degree of courtesy that was often absent from
his posts.
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 02:22:32PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Lou is correct on several points. Brad typically supports neo-liberal
policies abroad and, at least to my mind, he is
Title: RE: [PEN-L:32724] Re: RE: Re: Maquiladoras not beneficial
I said:
It's
not the same as the self-perception and self-justification of
imperialists
that I described.
Ian writes:
Right, except that I think they're no longer worried about the fables of
international public goods
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:37 PM
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Subject: [PEN-L:32685] crime stats
Hi,
The critique of Chomsky on Cambodia is hardly a canard. Thus, I cannot
understand your claim, Michael, that he is a man of, what did you say,
great integrity?
Consider the following selections from an article by Chomsky and Herman in
1977 (http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm Distortions at
I checked one item in this post against the text (which is
here: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/7706-distortions.html
The slaughter by the Khmer Rouge is a Moss-New York Times creation.
The context for the statement is not, as is implied by the
extract above, a general denial of mass
Title: RE: [PEN-L:32730] RE: Chomsky: A man of great integrity?
MS concludes:
One should not judge the morality of NC's statements at the time by
how well they accord with what is known retrospectively, in light of
the reality that the sources on genocide were not trustworthy.
Untrustworthy
I hope that Pen-l can help generate some good candidates for this position
at the college where I teach.
Marty Hart-Landsberg
PLEASE FORWARD TO INTERESTED PARTIES--
Macroeconomics
The Department of Economics at Lewis Clark College invites
applications for a one-year position for the
Max,
As you note, Chomsky and Herman admit there were sharply
conflicting assessments at the time. The question is why they chose to
disparage those assessments that suggested a genocide was underway. I would
suggest it is because doing so was consistent with their politics - which
still today
On 4/12/2002 11:53 AM, Steve Diamond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The remarkable thing is how exactly this mirrors the approach of the U.S.
Government when it chooses facts to fits its politics - as it so shamefully
did in the case of Rwanda. (By the way I can find nothing that suggests
that
Stephen Diamond:
that Chomsky ever stated that he was wrong in 1977.) The failure of the
left to establish a credible independent foreign policy opposed to the
politics of both the U.S. government and those of regimes like Hussein's,
Castro's, Lee Kuan Yew's, and Kim il Jung's is a tragedy
Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
True enough, but it's an odd model of dialogue that will admit only
people in fundamental agreement with each other. I guess it's the
left version of Richard Feinberg's wonderful comment that democracy
only works when there's fundamental
Carrol Cox:
Brad is an enemy, but one can talk to him just as Chou tried to talk to
Dulles one morning during the Geneva Conference. (They both arrived
early one morning; Chou offered to shake hands, Dulles snubbed him.) In
the present case Lou is playing a marxist version of Dulles's style,
Jim, it is certainly, I will agree, Chomsky's obsession to use an apparently
objective critique of the western media to make his political arguments,
but to ignore the politics behind this approach is to reward form over
substance. In your parenthetical ending you come dangerously close to a
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From: Steve Diamond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thiago suggested that noone on the left supports regimes (a term I
usually
apply to states controlled by groups that gained that position without a
democratic election, as opposed to governments which have some claim to
NY Times, Dec. 3, 2002
Can Global Warming Be Studied Too Much?
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
WASHINGTON, Dec. 2 On Tuesday, the Bush administration convenes a
three-day meeting here to set its new agenda for research on climate
change. But many climate experts who will attend say talking about more
On 4/12/2002 1:35 PM, Steve Diamond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thiago suggested that noone on the left supports regimes (a term I usually
apply to states controlled by groups that gained that position without a
democratic election, as opposed to governments which have some claim to
I thought that Jim, Thiago, and Max answered Steve quite well. Chomsky
was not concerned about defending Cambodia, only trying to show the
hypocracy of the US. Once in France, I saw a very interesting Yugoslavian
documentary on Cambodia. It made the case that Pol Pot had to move the
people out
Your perspective is representative of many on the left and thus expressing
it seems far from pointless. But that does not mean that it makes sense.
For example, you admit to some problems with the Castro regime (rightly
describing him as a thug) but then leap to the conclusion that that mean[s]
The Germans had a word for such movements of entire populations out of the
cities, Michael, I think they called it das endliche losung - and, just
think, they were fed and clothed during the entire ride.
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/03/02 22:39 PM
To say that Iraq before the Gulf War had some success in developing health
and education does not make someone a supporter of SH. All too often in
political discourse to say a positive word about any of today's demons,
makes one an agent of the devil.
Michael
Steve Diamond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Germans had a word for such movements of entire populations out of thecities, Michael, I think they called it "das endliche losung" - and, justthink, they were fed and clothed during the entire ride.
Die Endloesung, bitte. Actually, they weren't fed,
Steve Diamond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim, it is certainly, I will agree, Chomsky's obsession to use an apparentlyobjective critique of the "western media" to make his political arguments,
This is perverse, Steve. When C has a political point to make, he makes it directly. Why not take him at
Steve Diamond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Germans had a word for such movements of entire populations out of thecities, Michael, I think they called it "das endliche losung" - and, justthink, they were fed and clothed during the entire ride.
Die Endloesung, bitte. Actually, they weren't fed,
Erm... I am confused, though I think I must agree with what you have written
now. I thought you, in your previous post, had whipped up the charge that
Chomsky and unspecified leftists were soft on Pol Pot, Hussein, Castro, Lee Kuan
Yew (!!! this just cracks me up every time!), North Korea and
[New York Times]
December 4, 2002
Turkey Saying No to Accepting G.I.'s in Large Numbers
By MICHAEL R. GORDON with ERIC SCHMITT
ANKARA, Turkey, Dec. 3 - Turkey today said that it would not allow the
United States to deploy substantial numbers of ground troops on its
territory in the event of a
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