, October 08, 2013 4:29 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Thanks RE: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious
character)
In a message to the PCC list dated September 4, 2013, Kate James of the LC
Policy and Standards Division addressed this issue (with reference
AUL/LTSC
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
This is clearly confusing more than myself. I appreciate the forwarding of
the PCC list post. And I’m following this continued conversation
authorities |c (Fictitious character)
Mac,
I am concerned that in all our discussions of fictitious characters as
preferred access points, our many patrons will be confused (not to mention
bemused) by the direction we are taking. That said, I like your idea of adding
the Rowling cross reference
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam Schiff
Sent: 15 October 2013 08:59
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
Such cross-references
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
Martin Kelleher wrote:
Thinking about it that way sadly doesn;t make it sound any less
ridiculous.
Entering Rowling under Biddle is no more ridiculous than entering
Clemens under Twain. Mark Twain is a Mississippi River boaters
I must thank Mac and others for takingtime to explain to meRDA's decision to treat ALL fictitious characters equally, Nevertheless, I also have much less difficulty accepting the changefrom Clemens toTwain thanaccepting the authorship of Pooh, $c the Bear; or Snoopy, $cthe Dog; or Kermit, $c
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Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:12 AM
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I must thank Mac and others for taking time to explain to me RDA's decision to
treat ALL fictitious characters equally
Jack Wu said:
Perhaps the relationship designator of $e author should here be
changed to $e Dubious author, or perhaps $e attributed name, or $e
Pretended author.
Once upon a time, when we were more concerned with helping patrons
than theorizing, we inserted [pseud.] in the statment of
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When training, I like to use the LC cataloging for ISBN 9781401310646 (LCCN
2011015148). The record was cataloged following AACR2, but it?s easy
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E.
Sent: 11 October 2013 23:41
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Martin Kelleher wrote:
Thinking about it that way sadly doesn;t make it sound any less
ridiculous.
Entering Rowling under Biddle is no more ridiculous than entering
Clemens under Twain. Mark Twain is a Mississippi River boaters'
call, no more a person than Geronimo Chilton.
While I would
Mac,
I am concerned that in all our discussions
of fictitious characters as preferred access points, our many
patrons will be confused (not to mention bemused) by the
direction we are taking. That said, I like your idea of adding
I can't use RDA yet, so I wasn't paying initial attention to this discussion.
I understood that a fictitious character as author would now be in a 100 field,
but now it sounds like all fictitious characters are to be treated like real
people and placed in the 600 field as well. Is that the
.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
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From: Gray-Williams, Donna
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 7:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
I can't use RDA yet, so I wasn't paying initial
Donna Gray-Williams asked:
I understood that a fictitious character as author would now be in a
100 field, but now it sounds like all fictitious characters are to be
treated like real people and placed in the 600 field as well.
That's what we are doing, with $c(Fictitious character) always
.
Adam Schiff
University of Washington Libraries
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From: Gray-Williams, Donna
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 7:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
I can't use RDA yet, so I wasn't paying initial
Jack Wu said:
I've always learned that a fictitious character is just that, a figment of =
our imagination. It is not capable of authorship (or as creator) unless =
it's a pseudonym of some real person.
We should describe things as they present themselves. It the title
page says it was written
, Jack Wu wrote:
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:29:17 -0400
From: Jack Wu j...@franciscan.edu
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Jack Wu j...@franciscan.edu wrote:
I've always learned that a fictitious character is just that, a figment
of our imagination. It is not capable of authorship (or as creator) unless
it's a pseudonym of some real person. I can understand Holmes, Sherlock
getting an access point, but cannot
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Patricia Sayre-McCoy
Sent: 08 October 2013 20:51
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
Surely we include fictitious character
I'm working through today's name authority changes wondering why I'm finding:
‡a Wiggin, Ender (Fictitious character) but
‡a Wiggin, Peter ‡c (Fictitious character)
Is this simply two different agencies interpreting the rules differently?
We don't catalog a lot of fiction here so I've not
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Subject: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
I'm working through today's name authority changes wondering why I'm finding:
‡a Wiggin, Ender (Fictitious character) but ‡a Wiggin, Peter ‡c (Fictitious
character)
Is this simply two different agencies interpreting the rules
, October 08, 2013 7:07 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
I'm working through today's name authority changes wondering why I'm
finding:
‡a Wiggin, Ender (Fictitious character) but
‡a Wiggin, Peter ‡c (Fictitious character
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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam Schiff
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 8:07 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
I'm working through today's name authority changes wondering why I'm finding:
‡a Wiggin, Ender (Fictitious character) but ‡a Wiggin, Peter ‡c (Fictitious
and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 2:37 PM
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)
This access point for Wiggin, Ender was first
Bernhard, S. Michael mbernh...@cabq.gov wrote:
It seems to me, too, that the heading for Holmes should be Holmes,
Sherlock |c (Fictitious character). Do
others agree? If I were still at a NACO library, I might go ahead and
correct both headings (unless I've missed
something somewhere with
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Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Thanks RE: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious
character)
Bernhard, S. Michael mbernh...@cabq.govmailto:mbernh...@cabq.gov wrote:
It seems to me, too, that the heading
Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote:
No one should be “correcting” authorized access points that were
correctly established under current policy, which is to include the
qualifier if there is a conflict but otherwise not.
But the material of 9.6.1.7 falls under the 9.19.1.2 group of
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Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 2:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Thanks RE: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious
character)
Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edumailto:robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote:
No one should
Robert Maxwell robert_maxw...@byu.edu wrote:
In a message to the PCC list dated September 4, 2013, Kate James of the
LC Policy and Standards Division addressed this issue (with reference to
the record for “Holmes, Sherlock”):
Thanks for the reminder, Bob. Looking through my inbox, I held
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