RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-27 Thread Failinger, Marie
gt; Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:47:32 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? That’s all true, but the deal used to be no funding and lots of church autonomy in return., including

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? So is it correct to conclude that the struggle over LGBT rights explains 100% of any change in public attitudes -- left and right-- about fun

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Marc Stern
a.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? When I worked for DOJ in the late 80's and litigated a major Chapter (now I think Title) 2 funding case in San Francisco, the main plaintiff's lawyer was a

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Marty Lederman
>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Douglas Laycock >>> >>> Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law >>> >>> University of Virginia Law School >>> >>> 580 Massie Road >>> >>> Charlott

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Ira Lupu
3-8546 > > > > *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: > religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Eric J Segall > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:17 PM > *To:* Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
-8546 From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Eric J Segall Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:17 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - D

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Alan E Brownstein
...@lists.ucla.edu <religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> on behalf of Marc Stern <ste...@ajc.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:47:32 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread James Oleske
ge005.jpg@01CFA04D.71B24C30] > > > > *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-bounces@ > lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Eric J Segall > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:17 PM > *To:* Law & Religion issues for Law Academics > *Subject:* Re: Trinity Luthe

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Marc Stern
mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marty Lederman Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:36 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Alan E Brownstein
to:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Marty Lederman Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:36 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran a

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Eric J Segall
f Of Marty Lederman Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:36 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? Yes, but neither bef

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-26 Thread Christopher Lund
, 2017 11:36 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? Yes, but neither before, nor during, nor after, that 14-year window (1971-1985) did the Court ev

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Ira Lupu
rsity of Virginia > 580 Massie Road > Charlottesville, VA 22903 > 434-243-8546 > -- > *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-bounces@lists. > ucla.edu] on behalf of Ira Lupu [icl...@law.gwu.edu] > *Sent:* Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:44 AM &g

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
_ From: Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) <hd...@virginia.edu<mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 8:09 AM Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionl

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Ira Lupu
f Law > _________ > From: Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) <hd...@virginia.edu> > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 8:09 AM > Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want > Special Treatment or Not? > To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academi

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Eric J Segall
e University School of Law _ From: Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) <hd...@virginia.edu<mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 8:09 AM Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? To: Law &

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Marty Lederman
* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-bounces@lists. > ucla.edu] on behalf of Ira Lupu [icl...@law.gwu.edu] > *Sent:* Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:42 AM > *To:* Law & Religion issues for Law Academics > *Subject:* Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want >

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Mark Scarberry
_ From: Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c) <hd...@virginia.edu<mailto:hd...@virginia.edu>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 8:09 AM Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academi

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
ases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? A few points: 1) Trinity Lutheran has never been asked for or given its "word that the playground will be used for [exclusively] secular purposes." If it receives a grant, nothing in Missouri law will stop the church from using

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-22 Thread Ira Lupu
t; Douglas Laycock >> Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law >> University of Virginia >> 580 Massie Road >> Charlottesville, VA 22903 >> 434-243-8546 <(434)%20243-8546> >> -- >> *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucl

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-21 Thread Michael Peabody
] on behalf of Ira Lupu [icl...@law.gwu.edu] > *Sent:* Friday, April 21, 2017 4:52 PM > *To:* Law & Religion issues for Law Academics > *Subject:* Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want > Special Treatment or Not? > > I have been struck this week by how a

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-21 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Ira Lupu [icl...@law.gwu.edu] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 4:52 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? I have been st

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-21 Thread Mark Scarberry
ool of Law From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu <religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> on behalf of Volokh, Eugene <vol...@law.ucla.edu> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 2:51:11 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-21 Thread Volokh, Eugene
ases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? I have been struck this week by how almost all of the pro-state discussion of Trinity Lutheran has focused on the problem of discrimination by state funded churches (i.e., why should taxpayers fund activities from which some are invidiously excl

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-21 Thread Eric J Segall
>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:47:24 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? Thank you. It is helpful and yet I see an ultimate collision between the dischordant rights to both be free

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-21 Thread Ira Lupu
pulated gamesmanship, support for religious liberty is > diminished. > > > At least this has been my experience. > > > Alan > > > > > > -- > *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu <religionlaw-bounces@lists.

Re: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-21 Thread Alan E Brownstein
. Alan From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu <religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> on behalf of Michael Peabody <mich...@californialaw.org> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:47:24 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Trinity

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-20 Thread Laycock, H Douglas (hdl5c)
:06 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<mailto:religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu>> Subject: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? This term the Supreme Court is hearing two cases involving whether or not chu

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-20 Thread Michael Peabody
sts.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Michael Peabody > *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2017 8:06 PM > *To:* Law & Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> > *Subject:* Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want > Special Treatment or Not? > > > >

RE: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-20 Thread Christopher Lund
Law Academics <religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu> Subject: Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not? This term the Supreme Court is hearing two cases involving whether or not churches should be treated the same as other non-profit organizations, and I wa

Trinity Lutheran and the ERISA cases - Do Churches Want Special Treatment or Not?

2017-04-20 Thread Michael Peabody
This term the Supreme Court is hearing two cases involving whether or not churches should be treated the same as other non-profit organizations, and I want to make sure I have this straight. First, in *Advocate Health Care Network v. Stapleton*, heard March 27, religious hospitals are claiming