Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
I spent 5 years trying to move my clients to Linux for their servers. Mostly I succeded. I haven't had much luck with Linux on the desktop, and have pretty much given up the figt, which is funny because it's about where it needs to be! I think OSX is the best thing going and use it for my graphics stuff. Unfortunately I make my living fixing Windows. It used to upset me but not I just bill them and move on. Oh well. No good deed goes unpunished! TarynToo wrote: On Aug 30, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: I totally agree. My only complaint w/ Linux is that after I install a Linux/Samba server, I never see the client again! I have servers running over 600 days. I make my living on (ick!) Windows machines. They blow up all the time. ROFL Mike! I've been watching the linux/win debate shaping up here on the list and trying to stay out of it. After all how many religious wars can one woman get into at the same time? I use Linux or BSD on servers, and MacOS X on workstations. I think for non-nerds, MacOS X is much more approachable than Windows, Linux, or a naked BSD machine. Apple has open-sourced most of MacOS X as Darwin, keeping only the GUI and some apps and drivers proprietary http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ http://www.opendarwin.org/ I too find myself constantly patching up blasted WinPCs. Personally I won't use the crap from Redmond, not even Word and Office. (And don't even get me started on PowerPointless!) Invariably it's the same question and the same answer: How can I keep my computer from catching virii? Get a Mac. From http://ornae.com/30/torturing-your-customers-a-business-model (If you want references, see the original article, it's full of links.) Torturing your customers, A Business Model The recording industry has invested a great deal of time and money in a variety of schemes purporting to protect the rights of musicians. Of course they haven’t even slowed down either casual or professional pirates. Mostly, all they’ve done is annoy their customer base by making CDs that don’t play right. I’m not writing today to blast BMG, Sony, and the RIAA, they’re getting plenty of heat already. But I want to draw a parallel between the way the recording industry and Microsoft treat their customers. I just spent a few days rebuilding some WinXP machines for my neighbors that had succumbed to hardware failures and/or Windows malware , In each instance, the neighbor asked, ‘Why do these machines fail so quickly? Why is it so tedious to fix them?’ The first question deserves a few thousand words, but there have been millions written already and flame wars are tedious too. The most direct answer to the second question is, “Microsoft intentionally makes it damn near impossible for users to create bootable backups, or even useful offline backups.” Their licensing and copy protection schemes include components that prevent disk cloning, and prevent disk images from booting if they were created by cloning, that force relicensing when a computer has parts replaced. This of course doesn’t slow down teenage script kiddies and professional OS counterfeiters in the least, but it does make life miserable for every legitimate windows user on the planet. In an ideal world, you would use simple commands or GUI tools to create a mirror image of your installed and customized system on separate partitions or disks. Other simple tools would allow you choose which image your system booted from. When that image booted, it would work right whether it was drive C:, D: or Z:, That image would boot correctly, even if it was hooked up to a significantly different computer. This is not an imaginary ideal, it is the world of Linux, of BSD UNIX, of MacOS. Only Windows OSes fall on their swords, on purpose, when users do perfectly reasonable things like pull a backup drive out of the safe and try to boot it on a new computer. Why is this a reasonable thing? Well the payroll computer caught fire yesterday, and we need to make payroll today. But Microsoft doesn’t see it that way, they think their customers are all thieves and are trying to steal WinXP. Yeah, like we really care! So, there’s the parallel. The recording industry exhibits complete disdain for their customers, (And their suppliers, most musicians are treated like dogs by recording companies.) Microsoft subscribes to the same business model, drumming up business by trotting out the next big thing, which is usually entirely derivative, gouging huge profits, while treating the buyers like cattle at best, and thieves at worst. Bad enough we paid money for this stuff, how much of our precious time must we spend trying to restore a machine taken to its knees by the virus of the day. I’m sure many of you are going to trot out Ghost, or Partition Magic, or the latest Whiz-bang Norton tool, or BackupOmatic II, as your personal favorite fix for this problem. Just like you
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Don't laugh. Anything could happen under this regime. I personally will never ever take up arms against Canada but be don't surprised if you start to see Canada (surely our greatest friend in the world) demonized in the next 10 years as a pretext to invasion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no doubt under the pretext of liberating the canadian people from the injustice of a universal health care system. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 7:46:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suppose Canada decides that it will demand (which is our right) what it wants for that oil?. . .How little will it take before american troops show up to 'restore order' in our sovereign lands. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
Besides, we already have a Flat Head Tax in most states. It's called the lottery. It's a tax on stupid people, and it falls unfairly on those least able to afford it. bob allen wrote: Howdy David, a flat tax would just reward the rich with lower taxes and punish the impoverished with taxes they didn't have before. The flat tax also will not address the flight of corporations to tax havens. flat tax- bad idea. David M. Brockes wrote: This is why we need a Flat Tax system in this country for both Individual and Business. 8% to 12% would provide a tax base much more robust than what we have todayand most of us would probably pay less, if most of us pay less, then somebody pays more. A 12% tax rate would mean tax break for the rich; hence, the poor would be paying more for the rich persons reduction. but certainly everyone would pay a fair share.and think of all the savings there would be from all the extra costs currently related to our Tax system!! Just IMHO!! Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right. It's all part of the standard multinational corporation planning to move the profits to the jurisdiction in which they are taxed least (preferably not at all). cut ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil Question
Anyone know where I could buy 300 gallons of canola? John Wilson wrote: Hi Mike, I got the price from:http://www.advfn.com/p.php?pid=commoditiesnopu=uCCKBtzSc1ihTGQhlEp7%2F WRKB3rpHYZsUyZ%2BHa3JDSl3LP8JS69FS5tYIU7PHr%2FQ I see this morning Jan Canola futures are trading at 294. I think that was a mistake on my part it said Canola(WCE) and not Canola oil. I think the price is for pre pressed canola seed and not canola oil. Yours truly John Wilson *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Goldens Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^ Nova Scotia going smoke-free in public by 2006 (FANTASTIC) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Simple twist of fate...
From my limited experience in Latin America I always felt the EV's were making inroads because they had enough sense to actually have local people in positions of authority, where as most (not all, Jaime Sin comes to mind) Catholic big-wigs were white. I will say that when I was working in Africa the CRS people were very good. Mike Lapsed Unitarian Weaver Keith Addison wrote: Hello Taryn Hi Keith, et alii. On Aug 30, 2005, at 3:35 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Taryn, Pannirselvam Did you read this? http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003230.html Or: http://snipurl.com/hb3u [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers Who Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim to Speak for Jesus Yes, I did read them. Following them, or a similar thread, (now misplaced) :-( The browser history keeps the urls, why doesn't it keep the whole threads? led me to some striking information regarding the US's post-war anti-communist efforts in Italy, and later in Latin America. Following that taught me more about the role of the jesuits, and liberation theology, in Latin American politics. Trying to recover that misplaced thread last night led to many sites accusing liberation theologists of being pawns of the communists. Then to some ugly accusations regarding the role of the jesuits in bringing together the Vatican and the National Socialists (Nazis) in pre-war Germany. Of course, the German National Socialist Party was socialist in name only by the 1940s. Isn't it great when that happens? Almost makes it worth losing the original threads. It was interesting how few of the commentators when John Paul II died mentioned his opposition to the liberation theologists, seemed they'd forgotten about it. He was extremely anti-communist, and Marxist theology was (is?) the alternate name of liberation theology. John Paul II was Polish, and his main focus was on Poland and Lech Walesa's Solidarity struggle there, with the never quite suppressed Catholic Church playing its role, probably a pivotal one. What happened in Poland on the one hand and Afghanistan on the other were the death of the USSR, I guess Latin America seemed hardly even a side-show. What's happening to the US now with Hugo Chavez in Venezuela on the one hand and Iraq on the other makes an interesting comparison, and Latin America perhaps isn't a side-show anymore. (I'd bet the KGB wanted to assassinate Walesa too.) I didn't forget about John Paul II and the liberation theologists. I thought it was a crossroads, and the Pope sided with the rich and powerful. Again. Quite apart from what it says about the Catholic Church as a Christian organisation and the eyes of needles, it could perhaps have been a chance to change the whole paradigm of development and the poor. That's what the Jesuits wanted. Instead we got neo-liberal economics and corporate globalization, and a billion or so poor and starving people in a world of plenty. I reckon Robert Johnson made a better deal. I've never had any contact with Opus Dei and I'm not sad about that, but I haven't met a Jesuit I didn't like. So, I too, learn more of the twisted history that led to our bizarre predicaments of today, reading the Biofuel list. It is truly a great resource, let me add my thanks to that expressed by Doug and Pannirselvam. (and many others) Thanks to all! In one more strange twist of fate, the venues that bring us all together; ethernet, bsd servers, and the internet, were developed with much funding from ARPA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency which was created to respond to The Communist Threat. Now of course the internet is one of our best tools for responding to the Capitalist Threat. It escaped. For once at least the end wasn't implicit in the means. Maybe we'll end up using swords as ploughshares after all. (Only I don't like ploughs!) Regarding the Clash of Civilisations, it's astonishing that Christians, Jews, and Muslims, all worshipping the same God of Israel, have been at each others throats, squabbling over the parched scraps of a long gone society, for more than a thousand years. For anyone perplexed over this conflict, I highly recommend Tom Robbins' Skinny Legs and All. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553377884 I've re-read this a few times in my struggles to understand the middle east. It is illuminating, to say the least. If you've not read Robbins' stuff before, you might want start with a few of his earlier works, e.g. Still Life with Woodpecker or Jitterbug Perfume, since his work is rich and complex. Thankyou. Interesting reviews. You might find this interesting, though probably the only thing it has in common with Skinny Legs and All is the Middle East and the Arabs: 21. A Kingdom of Agricultural Art in Europe
Re: [Biofuel] Japan - was Re: Problems, problems, problems
Hi Khamhiane, If you happen to be anywhere near the SE US I can reccommend the Piedmont Biofuels tour. They are quite friendly and put up with me asking them questions for hours. There also quite a few other BD plants scattered in the US. Good luck. -Mike Keith Addison wrote: Hello Khamhiane Dear Keith, I have followed your forum for a while. Well, it's its own forum really, I'm just one of the staff. You said that It's used here in Japan too, is that mean you are currently in Japan? Yes, it says so on our home page. A lot of what we're doing here isn't on our English website yet but that'll change soon. (Not just biofuels.) You could check the Japanese website, but that's not completely up-to-date either, nor does it cover everything we're doing. The reason I asked is that if yes I would like to visite you to see physically your projects. I don't want to sound unwelcoming, but we're always busy here, we work all the time, you might come a long way and then we'd have very little time to spend with you. If it's biodiesel you're interested in, we do hold seminars and workshops on biodiesel here (and elsewhere) most months, the last one was 10 days ago, the next one is on October 9. They're in Japanese, can you speak Japanese? Everything else we do here is development work, it's really only the biodiesel project that's open to the public in any way, and then only if you come to a seminar. This place isn't intended to be a demonstration farm or anything like that, it's where we work. If you do want to come, email me offlist, maybe we can arrange something. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks in advance Best regards, Khamhiane Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dag Pieter Hello all, I found a new adres where I can collect quit a bit of good quality oil, well, that is what I thought. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
What's usually wrong with them? AntiFossil wrote: Marty, and all, I have to respectfully disagree with Bob C. on this one. The days of freebies are still very much alive! It might just be an issue of where you seek your freebies : ) Since approx. March of this year, I have been able to get 18 used water heaters. My only cost has been the time, and expense it takes to go and pick them up from 3 different plumbing/hardware shops in my local area. Had I wanted them, I would estimate that I could have had at least twice that many, although I would probably be divorced and living out of them right now had I accepted them all. There's really no secret to getting as many as you need. For most folks, I would think that one or two tanks would fine, but that would depend on your intentions. Find a local plumbing shop, or Hardware store (not a huge retail chain) that sells and installs what they sell and ask them what they do with the old water heaters that they remove during their installs. In my part of the world, two of the contractors bring the old water heaters back to their shops and dump them out back. Then, when this particular area get's full enough they call the scrap man and he comes and hauls them all away to the scrap metal yard for, as Bob C. noted, a fee. If you are willing to go and pick up a few of them for no fee, that's usually great news to these pro's! Good luck hunting water heaters! On 8/30/05, *Marty Phee* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info. My friend and I are going to do this. I'd like to start with a proven design and go from there and he has grand plans of how to do everything. I really don't have room to do it and he does so I need to give him leeway in the design. Bob Clark wrote: Marty Phee [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will a water heater ware out/rust out? Say if you start from a new heater. How long can you expect it to last? Marty, and all I am currently using six water heaters that have been in service for a little over five years. (One has actually been operating as a waste oil burner since 1996) and to date I have seen no sign of rust through and/or burn out. I have several more used water heaters that I am in the midst of converting for one project or another. ALL of the ones I am using were used to start with. One had a small leak in the seam when I originally obtained it, but I am lucky enough to have a complete steel fabrication shop here so repairing that wasn't too difficult. I have two electric tanks that I left the heating elements in to use as pre-heaters. Others are my first 'still' experiments and are fired with a modified propane burner, now running on methane gas. Those two would be the ones that I suspect will burn out first (the bottom area) so I keep a closer eye on them, but so far no sign of trouble. In our area the local trash companies collect used appliances (including water heaters) from off the side of the road once each quarter (every three months) so I always keep an eye out the weekend before the collection date and pickup all the water heaters I see. BUT, I have never used a new one for anything so can only guess about that, but my thought would be this: each of the heater tanks I am using now had been used for water heating for years before I got ahold of them. I KNOW they have lasted from five years to nine years (and still counting) so I would think it would be safe to say a new water heater tank should easily give you ten years of service, if you buy a quality one to start with. But a suggestion; if this will be your first 'project' using a water heater tank, why not see if you can find one at a local salvage yard or dump. The days of 'freebies from those kind of places are over (at least everyplace I know of) but the 'scrapper' is only going to get five dollars tops for the old heater, so they'd surely sell you one for ten bucks??? That would be a much smaller investment then a new water heater. However, if you have some experience with your project already and want to make sure you start with a good tank, maybe new would be the way to go? I guess only you can make that choice, but based on my own personal uses, a used tank will give you a good deal of service and provides a very inexpensive way to 'experiment'. BTW, I have built several other cookers and stills since those first ones and in some projects I have use one inch steel plate (for fireboxes and support walls of a digester) and a couple of heavy gauge stainless steel tanks, but the old water heaters are still used regularly and are going fine. To be fair, the two
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
We do the same things with barriar islands up here then get all upset when they blow away. TarynToo wrote: I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and gave my neighborhood a little slap, on her way out to the warm gulf waters, where she organized into a cat 5 hurricane. Now 1.5 million people are homeless, jobless, and in shock, just from New Orleans alone. There's no guessing how many will be dead when all is accounted for. Entrepreneurs and businesses have always gone where the resources are. Regular folks follow behind because that's where the jobs are. Government comes along and surrounds a swamp with levees, and calls it a city. http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0603feat.html And of course the Army Corps of Engineers comes along and turns 2000 miles of winding bottomland river into a 1000 mile ditch, contained (theoretically) by 14 meter levees. Homes, factories, and farms fill the bottomland right up to the levies. In a free society, you can't prevent people from trying to turn a swamp into a suburb, unless you buy the land and turn it into park or preserve. Ever since agriculture started on the Nile, we've known that flood plains are great places to grow crops, so you don't really want to take them out of production. Of course if you dam off the river, the plain is no longer renewed, topsoil leaches away, and the land starts to sink even lower. Then there are lots of places in this country where the ONLY justification for building homes is gorgeous location, like Miami Beach and all the other sandbars on our Atlantic coast, or the muddy, fire prone hills above Los Angeles. People have to find work, they have to live where they work. New Orleans grew where it did because it was a handy place for a port that served the Mississippi, there was rich fishing in the gulf, it was marginally drier than much of the wetland around it. But, like Venice, it's been sinking since it was built, http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0603feat.html and just like the proverbial frog in a slowly heating kettle, few have ever decided it was time to get out. But you can't expect to live below sea level next to a sea, or on a flood plain, or a sand bar, or a muddy hillside, or a dry pine forest, and be safe. Should governments issue building permits in swamps? Should insurance companies write fire policies on wooden houses in pine forests? Flood policies on swamps and flood plains? Should governments try to control mighty rivers from headwaters to delta, destroying wetlands and the buffering swamp? Should governments dredge millions of tons of sand back onto the beaches of Miami every time a hurricane scours them out? Do citizens have a right to settle in the path of disaster? Does government have an obligation to make extraordinary efforts to save them from that disaster? Whether we ever get New Orleans dry again, or not, perhaps it should be condemned as unfit for human habitation. Made partly into a memorial (To stubborn denial in the face of the obvious?) and the rest back to wetland. We certainly need the wetlands, and I'd bet that if the Mississippi was allowed to set her own course, in only a decade or two the entire bowl of New Orleans would become fine breeding grounds, once again filling the gulf with life. I'm not sure I even know my own position on all this, but I've lived in the path of hurricanes for many years. I can't help but stroll the beaches of our barrier islands, looking at houses and condos, built on SAND BARS, and ask, Are these people nuts? How can they live here and expect sympathy and support when a storm sweeps the land right out from under them? What lunatic zoning board said it was alright to sell condos on sand bars? The buildings do sit on pilings driven a dozen meters or more into our very soft bedrock, but that only means they might not wash away immediately, instead perching on stilts in the Atlantic ocean, when the storm moves the barrier island out from under them. And it will, sooner or later. Taryn ornae.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
Yeah, now I just shut and take the money. Everyone thought I was a kook until gas hit 3.00 a gallon. Brian Rodgers wrote: Oh well. No good deed goes unpunished! Scary but true, Mike. I have shifted my business to PC repair from a small DSL company because most people use Microsoft products and the monopoly Qwest killed the old business. We live in the mountains a short distance from our business. At the same time as I attempt to educate clients about the vulnerabilities of Windows and install free protection software, I also have taken the position that it is time to conserve fuel and get back to nature with sustainable lifestyles. I am beginning to see parallels with these two worlds. Most people don't want to hear about conservation at the cost of convenience. Most of my clients don't want to take the time to learn another OS to save themselves grief later. Seems like a Homer Simpson virus is going around. How much will it cost me right now? No future with this type of thinking. I just had one of my newsletter readers stop by the shop to let me know that I am wasting my time with all of these biofuel pipe dreams . Thanks, I needed to hear that again. My wife in support said, Never mind that Brian is researching alternative fuels for all of us, He is also doing it for himself! Why is my peace of mind such a hard pill for others to swallow? I think they feel somehow that I am merely cheating. I still buy petrol, but just by thinking that someday I will not need to... I am getting one over on the rest of the sheep? I think what I am doing is a positive effort toward a real future. It isn't competitive. Sustainable. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol
Dunno about the UK but we've 55 gallons on hand if anyone in the DC area wants it...you haul. Rootes Paul wrote: Hi I seem to be having trouble sourcing Isopropyl Alcohol for titration, I've tried pharmacist in my area (kent UK) but none seem to have it. Can anything else be used or does anyone know a likely supplier. Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure
No, no no, it was a mint 1957 Corvette... Keith Addison wrote: Hi John, Greg Greg and April wrote: My dad told the story about one of his collage buddies that got a 3 month old Cadillac for $50, because the previous owner went out to the desert and committed suicide in it, and was not found for many days.. He striped the car down to bare metal, sand blasted the entire thing, and rebuilt it with an all new interior, but, still got rid of the car because the smell remained. Good luck. Greg H. Didn't mythbusters test that very urban myth last season? jh It might help their case to know that the story was circulating in Cape Town in 1965, and probably still is. In that case it was a Jaguar going for next to nothing. Maybe it's a myth that lives in the collective unconsciousness of young men who can't afford expensive cars. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades
Anyone want to swap countries for a few years? Appal Energy wrote: One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons – asked not to be identified said he is advising his Republican Congressional candidates to keep their distance from Bush. “We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the United States is loony tunes,” he says sadly. “That’s not good for my candidates, it’s not good for the party and it’s certainly not good for the country.” Okay... Now how about telling the world something new? Todd Swearingen Hello Brian a friend sent me this. Keep in mind, it's from a liberal Web site. But even if only part of it is true, it's still pretty scary. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides By DOUG THOMPSON Aug 25, 2005, 06:19 While President George W. Bush travels around the country in a last-ditch effort to sell his Iraq war, White House aides scramble frantically behind the scenes to hide the dark mood of an increasingly angry leader who unleashes obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who dares disagree with him. Nothing new, sorry to tell you, there were a few stories about it about a year ago. I suppose it's a year worse now! :-( http://www.counterpunch.org/castro07302004.html Fidel Castro: The Pathology of George Bush Someone Should Give Lil' Caesar a Drink July 30, 2004 http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=33num=5141 Capitol Hill Blue: Bush Taking Anti-Depressants to Control Mood Swings Jul 28, 2004, 08:09 http://www.infowars.com/print/Bush/bush_delusiona.htm New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional Capitol Hill Blue Jun 17, 2004 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Sept04/Williamson0904.htm (DV) Williamson: It Isn't God Who Is Crazy September 4, 2004 http://www.newleftreview.net/NLR26301.shtml ALEXANDER COCKBURN - THE YEAR OF SURRENDERING QUIETLY September-October 2004 Castro's the best, IMNSHO (and The Gods Must Be Crazy is a better movie than this!). Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
Well, at least I know I'm crazy! Unlike, uh, our current head of state. Can I count on your vote? AntiFossil wrote: Hmm..? Judging by how long it's taken me to get back to my computer, I guess I'm the slow Mike. Nice campaign slogan there Mike! On 8/30/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am the one and true Mike. This other fellow is clearly an imposter. Do not follow false Mikes. I personally will lead you into temptation. I am running for president. My slogan is: Mike Weaver for president: A troubled man for troubled times. Michael Redler wrote: What!? I have kids!!? I think Doug's got the wrong Mike on that quote (as Mike Weaver already noticed). :-) Mike */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Nah, the kids have their own room. Douglas Smith wrote: Michael Redler wrote: Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. You know, Michael, I don't have anything against you and your girlfriend doing whatever you like in private - or any other straight couple - but must you flaunt it in front of the rest of us? The children might see and then we'd have to explain! (NOTE: Tongue planted firmly in cheek) Doug The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. - economist John Kenneth Galbraith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Mike...K MN, USA For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the very definition of slavery: Jonathan Swift ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mikes everywhere I look!
My GF says even one Mike is too many... Michael Redler wrote: No problem Doug. Sometimes, I don't know which Mike I am either. :-) Mike PS - Great Dubya quote!! */Douglas Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Mike someone wrote : What!? I have kids!!? I think Doug's got the wrong Mike on that quote (as Mike Weaver already noticed). :-) Mike Mike Weaver wrote: Nah, the kids have their own room. Douglas Smith wrote: Michael Redler wrote: Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. I'm sorry folks, I seem to have made a silly mistake. My apologies to both Mikes. It's always the details that screw us up, isn't it? : ) Doug Smith - Families is where our nation finds hope, Where our wings take dream. – George W. Bush ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure
My uncle used to use bleach too. Time will also do it. Nancy Canning wrote: been there, done that. Here is what I did, and it worked enough so it was not so obvious. 1. hydrogen peroxide helps with odors. Hydrogen Peroxide breaks down the cell wall, allowing the protein to dissolve away with washing. Hydrogen peroxide works with any protein, blood, manure, grass etc. saturate, don't dilute, and let stand for a couple of days. Where it really bubbles up, go back and re-apply let sit for 1 day 2. green soap spray on with garden sprayer, and use one of those nylon commercial brushes that you sweep the driveway with. scrub, specially where hydrogen peroxide bubbled up. let dry. 3. Step. Clorox, (dollar store variety) spray on with garden sprayer, the kind you connect to your hose, don't dilute, let the water from hose dilute. spray everything, including ceiling. Wear old clothes. 4. might need to Clorox again. Check if there is any old insulation or trash thrown up in attic area, as it absorbs odors. alternative: tear down and build something else, cause frankly you never get all the odor gone. pole shed doesn't cost much to build, specially with recycled material. - Original Message - From: Todd Hershberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [Biofuel] chicken manure I am trying to turn an old chicken house into a biodiesel workshop. The odor is disgusting because the chicken waste and dead chickens were left for years. I've cleaned it out and left the doors open. Does anyone have any ideas how to deodorize the old chicken shed? Should I be concerned about mold or spores? Thanks, Todd ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Sounds more like the parable of the ant and the grasshopper. Michael Redler wrote: Kim, I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line. I have no problem voicing my opposition to what I feel is a bad decision. If I knew that an individual was aware of the advanced warning and ignored it, I'd have no problem telling him/her that the decision was stupid. ...but a rant against people? who exactly? I admire your willingness to donate but, disappointed by your willingness to pass judgment. There will be days when I screw up. If you're there when it happens, I won't be sure whether to be grateful for your generosity or feel patronized by your words because I expect them to be as much about me as they would be about my decisions. God helps those who help themselves? A biblical reference is the last thing I expected to see after you describe a rant as not out of line. Did you forget Matthew 7:1? Bright Blessings, Mike */Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate with a neighbor when we were growing up for the same kind of behavior. There was a broken water main and it flooded the basements of the houses. The one guy on the street that was always bragging about his new toys, was the one that didn't have the money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his insurance premiums. I mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? I am afraid they were not very polite when someone came canvassing for money to help the guy. How about: God helps those who help themselves? I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line. And yes, I have already donated help and I am working on more for the people of Louisianna. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
I've been talking to my friends working in the federal government civilian agencies. All of them, across the board, have had their budgets slashed to fund the war. Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting. The situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq. The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job. After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps. Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes. The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water. What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war – one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made no preparations in the event Hurricane Katrina brought catastrophe to New Orleans. No contingency plan existed. Only now after the disaster are FEMA and the Corps of Engineers trying to assemble the material and equipment to save New Orleans from the fate of Atlantis. Even worse, articles in the New Orleans Times-Picayune and public statements by emergency management chiefs in New Orleans make it clear that the Bush administration slashed the funding for the Corps of Engineers' projects to strengthen and raise the New Orleans levees and diverted the money to the Iraq war. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune (June 8, 2004): It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us. Why can't the U.S. government focus on America's needs and leave other countries alone? Why are American troops in Iraq instead of protecting our own borders from a mass invasion by illegal immigrants? Why are American helicopters blowing up Iraqi homes instead of saving American homes in New Orleans? How can the Bush administration be so incompetent as to expose Americans at home to dire risks by exhausting American resources in foolish foreign adventures? What kind of homeland security is this? All Bush has achieved by invading Iraq is to kill and wound thousands of people while destroying America's reputation. The only beneficiaries are oil companies capitalizing on a good excuse to jack up the price of gasoline and Osama bin Laden's recruitment. What we have is a Republican war for oil company profits while New Orleans sinks beneath the waters. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Venezuela to Provide Discounted Heating Oil and Free Eye Operations to U.S. Poor
Maybe they could provide eye-opening operations for American voters... --- Chavez said that of the six million operations that Cuba and Venezuela would want to organize over the next ten years, there would be slots for 150,000 U.S.-Americans per year. Each country will receive a quota. Chavez gave some examples, explaining that there would be 100,000 for Brazilians, 60,000 for Colombians, 12,000 for Panamanians, 30,000 for Ecuadorians, 20,000 for Bolivians, and 20,000 for inhabitants of the Caribbean. Chavez said that those interested in the eye operations should turn to the Venezuelan embassies in their respective countries. The plan to provide free eye operations is part of the Mission Miracle, which is one of the many new social programs that Chavez government has instituted in the past two years in Venezuela. By the end of December, 150,000 Venezuelans will have received eye operations. These operations involved operations for cataracts, myopia, pigmentary retinosis, and many others. Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=31132/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Check email on your mobile phone. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
I meant one that would outrun a Cisco 7000 ;-) Actually I usually use p2's now as they are cheap (free) and easier to fool with. I'm tired of ISA and setting jumpers! Alan Petrillo wrote: Mike Weaver wrote: You can make a perfectly decent router/firewall with a 486. I think you misspelled 386. AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
I want to build my 2 million dollar dreamhouse on the beach and make the taxpayers foot the bill when it gets flattened. See: http://www.fema.gov/cis/DE.pdf Rehoboth Beach is almost all on a barrier island. It's nuts to build there, and nuts to keep paying to put the houses back. But I guess the money is better spent than being used in Iraq. Greg and April wrote: Yes. If people live in an area, they should learn of dangerous natural occurrences ( quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, blizzards and the like ), and make preparations for them. Like I said in another post: I have no issue with those that TRIED to do something to help them selves and still got into trouble. BUT I do have issues with those that did NOTHING ( despite all the warnings ) to help them selves then expect the government and everyone else to drop what their doing and save them, because they would rather buy a case of beer, than a bus ticket.. Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that they may only have 5 min warning to get to higher ground, and may lose everything they should not live below a dam. If people are going to fly, they need to take it upon them selves to find out what kind of aircraft they are going to be flying on and find out if that model of aircraft has a good history of flight safety, and then take the personal responsibility to accept that sometimes the one in a million chance actualy happens. If one looks at the past one can see that a given area is subject to hurricanes and should prepare accordingly. If you live below sea level near a coast, expect the fact that you have a chance of getting flooded.If you live within 50 ft of sea level near a coast, expect that the tidal surge could very well reach you. Empathy?My empathy is for the kids that couldn't leave because of ignorant parents and for the people that tried and still failed.Not for someone that bought a case of beer, instead of a 5 gal bucket of water that could save their life. 7 MRE's can keep a person alive for 2 weeks, and cost about the same as a case of beer. If people would pay attention when the experts tell them not to expect help after a disaster for at least 72 hrs, they would be allot better off putting the money to a 72 hr kit than spending it to drink that stupid beer.With a little ingenuity, 72 hr kits are not expensive nor are they hard to put together, I have put several together for my family. If I had to leave the house: I can with 5 min notice, keep my family of 4 going for 24 hrs. With 20 min notice, I can keep my family going 72 hrs, with some shelter. With an 1 hour notice, I can keep my family going for more than 2 weeks in some comfort. With 1 day of notice, I can hook up with a couple of friends and my 2 sisters, and live comfortably for a month with out any other assistance. If I don't have to leave the house, I'm good for 1 month in the winter, and 4+ months in the summer. I do not live in a flood plain. I have a little multi-fuel stove, that can burn any liquid fuel, and a fireplace that can burn any solid fuel ( I have a little wood stove I could install in a day or so ), to cook food. I scrounged most of the materials and built a safe room in the basement. I have three 55 gal barrels filled with water, plus enough containers for another 500 gal of water ( and that is not counting the 55 gal water heater ). I have a chain saw and enough fuel to keep it going for a week strait. I also have a 5ft cross cut timber saw, a couple of axes, a maul and some splitting wedges, and know how to make wood wedges ( done it several times when my metal wedges were stuck or not available ). I'll say it now: If anyone on this list, would like help putting together a 72 hr kit, I would be more than happy to give any help I can! In part it's a little like learning to make BioDiesel because the DinoDiesel is running out. Just remember, is going to be extremely hard to put one together, during an emergency, so do it before it occurs. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:33 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Would you feel the same way if people died in quakes in Japan or California? What about Sri Lanka? How about a plane crash, dam breech, eruption or tornado? Some empathy here would be nice. No one is perfect. No one can predict the future. Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades
Thanks! For! The! Comments! Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hey Joe, i always have been in fierce opposition to the practice of Hydro Quebec! HQ is responsable for a big part on our Waterpollution (Mercury) with their methodes of floating huge landsites to build the Reservoirs! and there we do not jet mention the Methangas this practic produces! but i start to get a bit tired of swimming upstream! F.F. - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:50 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades ROFLMAO how can you be on my side when your provincial government is stealing power from Labrador and selling it to New York State?? And then to make it worse dumb Ontarians running thier air con dee full blast in July are buying it back from the US at a premium..a nuts. OK never mind I don't want to get into that here. Yes it would be boomerang as you put it. J Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hello Joe, i am on your side on this one,the problem is only... is Antarctica holding so long the Ice and if... doesnt the Yankees accelerate the meltdown even more so than it would be a Boomerang idea Fritz from Quebec - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:46 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades Now finally someone comes up with a REALLY good idea! Ok I propose a motion that the countries we swap should be the USA and Antartica. The US needs some cooling off and I think (and most Canadians would agree) it would be cool to have penguins for neighbors anyways. Now we just have to find a way to rearrange the continents. Anyone to second that? J Mike Weaver wrote: Anyone want to swap countries for a few years? Appal Energy wrote: One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons – asked not to be identified said he is advising his Republican Congressional candidates to keep their distance from Bush. “We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the United States is loony tunes,” he says sadly. “That’s not good for my candidates, it’s not good for the party and it’s certainly not good for the country.” Okay... Now how about telling the world something new? Todd Swearingen Hello Brian a friend sent me this. Keep in mind, it's from a liberal Web site. But even if only part of it is true, it's still pretty scary. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides By DOUG THOMPSON Aug 25, 2005, 06:19 While President George W. Bush travels around the country in a last-ditch effort to sell his Iraq war, White House aides scramble frantically behind the scenes to hide the dark mood of an increasingly angry leader who unleashes obscenity-filled outbursts at anyone who dares disagree with him. Nothing new, sorry to tell you, there were a few stories about it about a year ago. I suppose it's a year worse now! :-( http://www.counterpunch.org/castro07302004.html Fidel Castro: The Pathology of George Bush Someone Should Give Lil' Caesar a Drink July 30, 2004 http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=33num=5141 Capitol Hill Blue: Bush Taking Anti-Depressants to Control Mood Swings Jul 28, 2004, 08:09 http://www.infowars.com/print/Bush/bush_delusiona.htm New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional Capitol Hill Blue Jun 17, 2004 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Sept04/Williamson0904.htm (DV) Williamson: It Isn't God Who Is Crazy September 4, 2004 http://www.newleftreview.net/NLR26301.shtml ALEXANDER COCKBURN - THE YEAR OF SURRENDERING QUIETLY September-October 2004 Castro's the best, IMNSHO (and The Gods Must Be Crazy is a better movie than this!). Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Fine. I subsist on Scrapple and cigarettes anyway. Nancy Canning wrote: What fun and games...I make a bet you believe that vaccinations of infants is also a good thing ha ha ha ha ha..propaganda -propaganda- propaganda. and who makes the money by passing off products that harm our health. For instance, you believe the pharmacutical industry in it's cancer treatments? The doctors and hospitals, insurance companies, and drug companies can't make any money of a healthy diet, vitamines, and herbal remedies. So you guys are going to believe hook line and sinker all the bs FDA passes off. I am laughing so hard at your defending the FDA. Why do you think that products a few years ago touted Nutrasweet, and now they hadly ever label it on the packaging, it's listed in the ingredients under aspartame? Public has wised up. Where have you been? That's okay, you guys just feed yourself and your kids all that junk. Hey, it's a great population reducer. Why do you think that doctors across the country tried to ban aspartame before it was released? Why do you believe FDA? Who controls FDA? Don't you think the big guns, that want to make a fortune, would push a product like aspartame, and now splenda, because it makes them money.isn't it money...that rules the day. Wake up and smell the roses. After Monsanto's neurotoxic sweetener, aspartame, was approved over the objections of numerous independent scientists, a Public Board of Inquiry, and the FDA's own internal review team, numerous FDA officials were rewarded with high-paying jobs in the aspartame industry. Details of this buyout of government officials were published by the U.S. Government Accounting Office as well as summarized in the Aspartame History FAQ. Since that time, Monsanto and key government agencies like the FDA have continued to exchange employees so that Monsanto's needs quickly becomes government and especially FDA policy. Therefore, there is absolutely no question that neotame and other key Monsanto products such as dangerous geneticially-engineered frankenfoods will get approved. Monsanto will push for a quick approval since so many scientists, physicians and the general population are becoming aware of aspartame's toxicity. Within a couple of years, possibly sooner, neotame will be approved as a tabletop sweetener, but sales will be poor because so many people will have permanently switched to truly healthier sweeteners and sworn off toxic artificial sweeteners no matter how many scientific experts Monsanto can pay to claim that it is safe. Analysis Shows Nearly 100% of Independent Research Finds Problems With Aspartame October 17, 1996 An analysis of peer reviewed medical literature using MEDLINE and other databases was conducted by Ralph G. Walton, MD, Chairman, The Center for Behavioral Medicine, Professor of Clinical Psychiatry, Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine. Dr. Walton analyzed 164 studies which were felt to have relevance to human safety questions. Of those studies, 74 studies had aspartame industry-related sponsorship and 90 were funded without any industry money. Of the 90 non-industry-sponsored studies, 83 (92%) identified one or more problems with aspartame. Of the 7 studies which did not find a problems, 6 of those studies were conducted by the FDA. Given that a number of FDA officials went to work for the aspartame industry immediately following approval (including the former FDA Commissioner), many consider these studies to be equivalent to industry-sponsored research. Of the 74 aspartame industry-sponsored studies, all 74 (100%) claimed that no problems were found with aspartame. This is reminiscent of tobacco industry research where it is primarily the tobacco research which never finds problems with the product, but nearly all of the independent studies do find problems. The 74 aspartame industry-sponsored studies are those which one inveriably sees cited in PR/news reports and reported by organizations funded by Monsanto/Benevia/NutraSweet (e.g., IFIC, ADA). These studies have severe design deficiencies which help to guarantee the desired outcomes. These design deficiencies may not be apparent to the inexperienced scientist. Healthcare practitioners and scientists should print out the all of the documents on the Monsanto/NutraSweet Scientific Abuse web page, the Scientific FAQs web page and the Aspartame Toxicity Reaction Report Samples. Please refer scientific questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION OF D.A. ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO Article written by Nancy Markle Ten FREE Cancer Reports I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on ASPARTAME marketed as NutraSweet, Equal, and Spoonful. In the keynote address by the
Re: [Biofuel] Venezuela to Provide Discounted Heating Oil and Free Eye Operat...
Yeah, Whatever. How much for a gallon? Joe Street wrote: hhh Why is this always the first reaction I get from people. Or else it is; can I sell them biodiesel. you could make a fortune selling that stuff Let me say this as clearly as I can. I AM NOT IN BUSINESS. I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING. I AM NOT TRYING TO PROFIT FROM MY BIOFUEL ACTIVITIES! If you read my web page you would understand it is a NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION. The point of it is that I figured out early on just what Kirk said. When enough people start running BD in thier cars the pressure will be on the government to put in legislation and grab a slice of the pie. By setting up the NPO and making it just a place where you bring in your own oil and go away with fuel you made yourself (just like home made wine) a lot of red tape is avoided. If I sell you fuel I may be liable if you have an engine problem. If you make your own you take that responsibility. A NPO avoids taxation problems and a coop making fuel can avoid fuel taxes just like people making wine or beer down at the local U-Brew coop avoid the liquor tax. It is about doing something good for the environment and the local community. It is also about sticking it to the greedy bastards in the oil industry. It is not about me capitalizing on my ability to build reactors or modify cars to run SVO or make alternative fuels or anything that I may be good at fiddling with. I don't want to become one of them. I hope everyone will be able to serve their own needs one day without being at the mercy of some money grubbing fear mongering energy bully. Curently I am looking into this alternative reaction process. I am still learning and documenting my progress. I am quietly evolving my processor. So far I haven't electrocuted myself or burned my house down but if I do I'll take responsibility for it. If I can get rid of the lye I will be whistling dixie. When I am confident about what I have to offer I'll post all I have learned about what doesn't work as well as what does work on my site. Will I make plans available? Absolutely. I love open source forums on the web and the idea of sharing the wealth of knowledge openly. I'm not lurking here mining for information so I can slink off and use it to sell a million barrels of biofuel or exhorbitant skid processors for someone else to do the same. That's exactly the kind of thinking that got us in the lovely situation we are in with this world and I've had enough of it. No doubt some of those lurkers are shaking their heads glibly snickering at my cluelesness in the ways of commerce. Whateva. Grrr Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/1/2005 10:04:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good call Kirk; Thats why I am setting up a non profit organization for making biofuel. http://www.nonprofitfuel.ca Power to the people man. Lucky they left a loophole for us to jump through eh? Joe That sounds like a wonderful idea. I have seen Mike's completely sealed reactor, and now you seem to have one. Are these for sale to other states? Are there blueprints or something? How does someone who wants to copy you, get a processor big enough to do so? Bearing in mind that I have yet to build my test processing system and still waiting for the answers to some other questions so it will be awhile. Do you think I should re ask my questions, or wait a bit longer first? But if it's doable, maybe I could start working on gathering a co-operative of interested people to work with. Blessings Johanna ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
Uh, I make my own BD, I heat with wood and drive a tiny Diesel car. Isn't that enough in the US? ;-) Ok, that's two! Onward and upward! AntiFossil wrote: As long as you freely admit that you're crazy, you bet you can count on my vote! On 8/31/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least I know I'm crazy! Unlike, uh, our current head of state. Can I count on your vote? AntiFossil wrote: Hmm..? Judging by how long it's taken me to get back to my computer, I guess I'm the slow Mike. Nice campaign slogan there Mike! On 8/30/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am the one and true Mike. This other fellow is clearly an imposter. Do not follow false Mikes. I personally will lead you into temptation. I am running for president. My slogan is: Mike Weaver for president: A troubled man for troubled times. Michael Redler wrote: What!? I have kids!!? I think Doug's got the wrong Mike on that quote (as Mike Weaver already noticed). :-) Mike */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Nah, the kids have their own room. Douglas Smith wrote: Michael Redler wrote: Uh oh. I'm cohabitating illegally. Wait'll I tell my GF. You know, Michael, I don't have anything against you and your girlfriend doing whatever you like in private - or any other straight couple - but must you flaunt it in front of the rest of us? The children might see and then we'd have to explain! (NOTE: Tongue planted firmly in cheek) Doug The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. - economist John Kenneth Galbraith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Mike...K MN, USA For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the very definition of slavery: Jonathan Swift ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Mike K AntiFossil MN, USA The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept a majority of the people from ever questioning the inequity of a system where most people drudge along, paying heavy taxes
Re: [Biofuel] A Girl Is Given an Adult Medicine and She Pays a Heavy Price
As someone who has a close relative who is a doctor, and works in a busy doctor's office doing their IT work, ALWAYS check the dosage and ALWAYS ask questions. If they don't want to answer, get another doctor. ith Addison wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/lat_serzone001220.htm Wednesday, December 20, 2000 A Girl Is Given an Adult Medicine and She Pays a Heavy Price Serzone: Company hasn't published study of effect on children. By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer Alissa Robinson, 18, looks out the front door of her family's Norwood, Ohio home while her parents Jimmie and Brenda enjoy a warm autumn afternoon on their front porch. Alissa underwent a liver transplant 3 years ago following complications while taking the anti-depressant drug Serzone. BRIAN WALSKI / Los Angeles Times NORWOOD, Ohio--When a hospital psychiatrist prescribed an antidepressant called Serzone for their 15-year-old daughter, Jimmie and Brenda Robinson assumed it was safe. The episode in February 1997 haunts them--Alissa Robinson nearly died while taking Serzone. After suffering liver failure and undergoing a transplant, she now faces a lifetime of uncertain health and worry over how she will pay for her care. Serzone, it turns out, was not intended for children or adolescents, and the label said its safety and effectiveness have not been established among the young. However, when FDA officials approved Serzone in December 1994, they suspected its use would not be confined to adults. Since it is likely that [Serzone], once marketed, will be used in children and adolescents . . . we ask that you commit to conducting, subsequent to approval, studies in these populations in order to provide the safety and efficacy data needed to support such use, wrote an FDA administrator, Dr. Robert J. Temple, in a Nov. 7, 1994, letter to Serzone's manufacturer, Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. The company agreed to conduct the research, among patients age 7 to 17, and to report the results to the FDA. But nearly six years later, no results have been made public. Doctors may continue to lawfully prescribe it for any purpose they deem appropriate. A spokeswoman for Bristol-Myers said it hopes to report results to the FDA in the early part of 2002. In an interview at the family's home, Brenda Robinson said she was unaware that the FDA had not endorsed Serzone's use in adolescents. That comes as a big surprise, Brenda Robinson said. If it's an adult medicine, why did [the doctors] give it to her? . . . These drugs should be tested for the people they're going to be used in. Serzone has been an important drug for Bristol-Myers, generating sales of $1.1 billion through October, according to IMS Health, an information services company. Eighteen cases of liver failure involving Serzone patients were reported to the FDA from 1996 to June 2000. The product labeling was changed, subsequent to Alissa's use of Serzone, to note rare reports of liver . . . failure, in some cases leading to liver transplantion and/or death. According to an article coauthored by one of Alissa's physicians and published Feb. 16, 1999, in the Annals of Internal Medicine, Serzone was the most likely cause of her liver failure. For now, Alissa and her parents are left to wonder what her life might have been if she had not taken the drug. Brenda Robinson points to the maroon puke bucket, Alissa's constant companion in the spring of 1997. By Memorial Day weekend that year, three months after going on Serzone, Alissa was nauseated and vomiting twice or more daily, according to medical records and interviews. Her eyes and skin had yellowed, a sign of jaundice. When specialists at Children's Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati admitted Alissa on June 12, they found she was suffering liver failure. Alissa was placed on a waiting list for a transplant. Amid the gantlet of tests and diagnostic procedures, Alissa's flowing, auburn hair was cut, her head shaven. That was the worst part, Brenda Robinson recalled. When she woke up bald . . . she went to pieces. The morning of June 14, Jimmie and Brenda said, one of the doctors told them that Alissa, by then in a coma, could die within days unless a donor organ came available. Brenda, an upbeat woman who works in the auditor's office at the local city hall, lived at her daughter's bedside. On June 16, Alissa underwent the transplant. She came this close to dying, Brenda recalled, struggling with her emotions at the memory. Alissa was reluctant to discuss the difficulties. But when an earlier portrait of her was brought to the family's kitchen table, she said evenly, That was in my pretty days. Alissa's father worries that no employer will offer her health insurance, that she will unable to pay for essential prescriptions and care. Just in the last year, Alissa was twice hospitalized:
Re: [Biofuel] Oil crisis, Iraq, Bangladesh, New Orleans, Martial Law, Placing the blame.
Nope. Democrats = Republicans from the 50's. Republicans = well, I'm not quite sure. They are really two Republican parties they days: The old fashioned cloth coat Republiicans, and this new sort of NeoCon. Myk Hill wrote: What we have come to is an orginization out of control with our tax dollars, might as well call it the GOP party who all said mainly the same thing to get elected: Democrats = Democumists Republicans = Repubocrats It is easy to shift blame somewhere else, but the truth is who put that man back in office? We the people did with our votes and blinders on. 2008 Needs to be a year to get a third party candidate in their to make the GOP sweat it out a little bit and put a better candidate up there. Whether it be Constitution party, Libertarian party, Green Party... any party but the GOP. At the risk of sounding bios, but purely as an example I was a big supporter of the Constitution party. Go third parties ! Find your next car at *Yahoo! Canada Autos* http://autos.yahoo.ca ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Yeah, let's get Mel Gibson to spank 'em Frantz DESPREZ wrote: France must be punished Condie RICE :-) frantz On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:10 PM, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: OK .. well .. history New Orleans, as was the rest of Louisiana (remember something called the Louisiana Purchase) owned by the French and was an important port of trade. But really only a port that sent goods to another land. New Orleans was also the only area in the south that contained a population of free black. It also needs to be understood that the majority of those free black were from a line of freed slaves (women) who were the contract purchased mistresses of the wealthier French gentry .. and of course .. their offspring .. sometimes many, many generations .. with mothers conducting negotiations on behalf of their daughters to obtained the best possible contract to ensure their future wealth. The whiter the skin the more desirable. Laws were passed .. because after many generations of black having children fathered by white the features nor the darker skin was no longer there .. these laws required all colored women (any colored blood) to wear head scarves. I have a thing about head scarves!! .. and .. no .. my ethnic background is German/English/Irish/Scotch/with a bit of Swedish (as if a bit of anything could fit in there). The old French Quarter was .. in a large part .. whole sections of neighborhoods (individual houses) that the French gentry would buy for his contract acquired (usually for life) concubine .. these were actual contracts .. and even if the the gentleman grew tired of his mistress .. the wealth/the house/the contract was fulfilled .. this property was in the name of the mistress and was hers and hers alone. If his wealth permitted he could enter into another contract with another woman. New Orleans wasn't a planned neighborhood .. but historically, it has gain a certain reputation of being a great place to party. Party people flocked toward that kind of environment .. and business follows. The fact that oil was discovered in the Gulf just adds to the population .. the businesses .. and the party. .. as an after-thought, once the Americans purchased that area from the French .. a large percentage of the free black disappeared (sold north) and their property somehow landed in the hands of others. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school. But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting. The situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq. The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job. After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps. Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes. The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water. What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made no preparations in the event Hurricane Katrina brought catastrophe to New Orleans. No contingency plan existed. Only now after the disaster are FEMA and the Corps of Engineers trying to assemble the material and equipment to save New Orleans from the fate of Atlantis. Even worse, articles in the New Orleans Times-Picayune and public statements by emergency management chiefs in New Orleans make it clear that the Bush administration slashed the funding for the Corps of Engineers' projects to strengthen and raise the New Orleans levees and diverted the money to the Iraq war. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune (June 8, 2004): It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us. Why can't the U.S. government focus on America's needs and leave other countries alone? Why are American troops in Iraq instead of protecting our own borders from a mass invasion by illegal immigrants? Why are American helicopters blowing up Iraqi homes instead of saving American homes in New Orleans? How can the Bush administration be so incompetent as to expose Americans at home to dire risks by exhausting American resources in foolish foreign adventures? What kind of homeland security is this? All Bush has achieved by invading Iraq is to kill and wound thousands of people while destroying America's reputation. The only beneficiaries are oil companies capitalizing on a good excuse to jack up the price of gasoline and Osama bin Laden's recruitment. What we have is a Republican war for oil company profits while New Orleans sinks beneath the waters.
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor
FuelMeister - Voldemort lives... Keith, Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine. Juan G. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900 Hello Juan I would appreciate some help. I am new to the list and I read a few days ago on one of the threads that metal tanks should be used to make a biodiesel processor. There are 2 processors I saw on the web 1 at Freedom Fuel America the other at BioDiesel gear. Both are polyethylene ( i am sure most on the list have seen them) are these any good? Also is there any other place web or otherwise where I could find biodiesel processors in kits or assembled. Thank you for help. Juan G. Huh, second time in 10 minutes... Re Freedom Fuel America - the odious FuelMeister rears its ugly head once again! http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html Or: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons of high-quality biodiesel for that price. The FuelMeister is overpriced junk that is not capable of making quality biodiesel. The instructions that come with it are just as useless. BiodieselGear? Does anybody buy those things? They got some derisive comments when they launched. What's the point anyway? Build your own, a lot cheaper and a lot better, and anybody can do it: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
All, Sorry, I really did not mean that Hakan was whining, and I don't think he took it that way. We've enjoyed an ongoing, very friendly off-list conversation for at least a month. I don't think Hakan would disagree with me when I say we are pretty much the same wavelength with regards to our illustrious leader. The point was that you can't bank on anything Bush says, and that I believe that anything that doesn't fit his warped worldview is just so much noise, or whining. Any way you slice it, Iraq is a disaster, and didn't have to be. -Mike Hopefully we can keep this discussion civilized, Mike, but I wouldn't consider Hakan to be whining. In the interests of keeping it civilised, I must say I enjoyed Mike's message, he does a good line in industrial-strength irony. I hope Hakan enjoyed it too. For the rest, John, of course I agree with you, can't be said often enough, IMHO. Best wishes Keith Human nature often takes the stance what is good for me is fair. What is not good for me is not fair. If the Iraqis were over here promising to capture Bush, and did so, would you feel the same? A couple decades ago I used to believe that what happened in the Eastern Hemisphere is fine, just keep it over there. And what happened on this side is fine, just keep it here. Nobody should impress their own values and practices on another. But these days, everything seems to have global ramifications. Global warmning, Peak Oil. So I can see that folks on the eastern side of the pond get irritated when the westerners use more than then their fair share of fossil fuels and pollute the globe more than any others? Should be force the rest of the planet to suffer for our glutteny? My two cents. Have at as you will. Cheers, John On 9/2/2005, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school. But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
There is no call to go making fun of my reactor. They were small fires and easily controlled. The important thing is that I learned not to make a BioDiesel reactor from straw, so I built it with wood the next time. Now I am building the reactor from brick, and have expectation of success. I will share the plans with the list. Please disregard the previous plans I posted, as they have been proven unworkable. -Mike If a guy down the street designed a reactor, and it caught fire. 2 months later he builds it again, and it catches fire again. Who is at fault? A different person hearing about biodiesel decides to build the same type of reactor, despite hearing about the fires, and that one catches fire. Who would be at fault? A third person finds out about BioDiesel and builds this reactor design, and it catches fire. Who is at fault? And a 4th person and a 5th person and so on, and most of the times the reactor designs catch fire.Who is at fault for the fires? Ok now it is common knowledge that this reactor design is likely to catch fires sooner or later. What about if after the fires, you built the same design, despite being warned many times that this is a dangerous design? Who's fault would it be, that your reactor caught fire and burned down your house, and your wife or kid ended up with 2nd degree burns because of it? How do you think the people that warned you would feel, that they warned you, but, you failed to listen?Would they feel sorrier for you that your reactor burned down or sorrier for the person that ended up with the 2 degree burn?I think so. How would you feel, if you know a person was warned that a reactor design was dangerous, many times, before they built it, and they still built it? What about after the reactor burned down and someone was injured or killed because the warnings were not heeded?Sure, you would feel bad, that it happened, but, you would also be angry, because the hurt and the pain need not have been as severe if some precautions were taken. I hurt, that it happened, but, in many ways I am extremely angry with the situation, because I know, without any doubt, that it need not have been that bad ( or be as bad as it is ) had more people been prepared, or taken more steps to be prepared for the worst.Not just with individuals, but, with the city of New Orleans, for it sure does not look like they had any comprehensive disaster plan.And if anybody should have had a plan in place to deal with a worst case scenario, they should have.The state is just as guilty, they knew how bad it could get for years, heck I knew for 15 years that this could happen, so did many other, and the warnings were out there.Unfortunately it always starts with the individuals, because, it almost always takes at least 72 hrs to really get people and supplies moving to those that needs it. What am I doing about it? It doesn't matter, because someone could claim I'm making it up, and how would I prove a negative wrong? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 13:37 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? You can either shrug it off or have compassion for a fellow human being. Put yourself in their place for a second (empathy). They are pleading for help even though you think they might not deserve it (have mercy). That's what drew me to this list in the first place; sharing information freely to help each other. We generate a synergy of ideas here greater than any one person. If my reactor catches fire because I made a stupid mistake, should I be dropped from the list? What I feel when I read your posts doesn't seem to fit. It bothers me. I'm sorry. Regards, Emil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg and April Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:47 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Yes. If people live in an area, they should learn of dangerous natural occurrences ( quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, blizzards and the like ), and make preparations for them. Like I said in another post: I have no issue with those that TRIED to do something to help them selves and still got into trouble. BUT I do have issues with those that did NOTHING ( despite all the warnings ) to help them selves then expect the government and everyone else to drop what their doing and save them, because they would rather buy a case of beer, than a bus ticket.. Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that they may only have 5 min warning to get to higher ground, and may lose everything they should not live below a dam. If people are going to fly, they need to take it upon them selves to find out what kind of
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
For your information, I wear a tinfoil hat, not a biohazard suit, and I have a home-made Bidet that uses organic rain water, though I do think that particular question is a bit too intrusive. Glad to help, Mike I guess all these toxins killing us explains why our life expectancy keeps going up. And you are right about one thing Nancy, it never stops! What kind of biohazard suit do you live in? What do you use to wipe your as Oh, nevermind! At 12:54 PM 9/1/2005, Nancy Canning said something like: Health-Report Comment: Well folks, it never stops does it? How many of you would ever have thought, a ubiquitous substance such as good ol' Petroleum Jelly or Vaseline as so many of us have come to call it over the last 50 years, is now a suspected and probable carcinogen because of the way it is manufactured?. Contaminants from petrolatum are being found in most breast cancer tissues which have been studied in recent times. You know, I keep beating the same drum about these so called safe chemicals! Just because we have become used to using synthetic chemicals on the skin, it doesn't mean to say they have been beneficial in the long run to our health. FAR FROM IT! In fact, some of these toxic chemicals, may well have contributed to the cancer, a friend or loved one of yours, contracted and died from, in recent times. Yes we all know people, loved ones and friends who have been cut down by this cancer scourge. Every single one of us in Westernized society, knows someone who has died of cancer in the last 12 months. It's a frightening and awful reality, that the rate we contract cancer, is approaching 1 in every 2 people and will probably exceed this rate within twenty years! It's only YOU who can do something about it by educating people you know to the dangers and by voting NO to chemicals simply by reading the labels! If the label has words on it you can't pronounce, then put it back on the shelf and don't run the risk of doing long term damage to your own health. You need to start explaining to people you know about reading labels and keeping the toxic chemicals out of their system. You can actually be paid to do this if you join the http://www.health-report.co.uk/form_networker.htmOrganic Movement and promote safe non toxic products like we do here at the Health-Report website. http://www.health-report.co.uk/form_customers.htmCERTIFIED ORGANIC is the only guarantee you have of being chemical free. If you support the organic industry then you will not only be healthier and happier but you are also helping to save the planet from an impending disaster! You have one life - live it safely by avoiding chemicals! - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Myk Hill To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible. Splenda is not that great either since they use the same chlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as generally recognized as safe, which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. * Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. * Metabolites of ethylene glycol produce severe metabolic acidosis and damage to the brain, heart, and kidneys. * Severe poisoning is potentially fatal if treatment is inadequate or delayed. * There are only a few reports on the adverse health effects in humans of chronic exposure to ethylene glycol. Irritation of the throat, mild headache, low backache, loss of consciousness, and nystagmus have been reported. These symptoms were resolved when the exposure ceased. * Ethylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid, resulting in metabolic problems.
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Nope. President Bush promised the American people he would be caught and tried for his crimes. John Hayes wrote: Didn't he eventually get drafted off injured reserve by the Saints? *rimshot* jh Joe Street wrote: Wow this is big news! I thought Osama was still a free agent. Mike Weaver wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Thanks. I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look down. This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a fly by? I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up right now. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it. Hakan At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school. But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting. The situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq. The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job. After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps. Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes. The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water. What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made no preparations in the event Hurricane Katrina brought catastrophe to New Orleans. No contingency plan existed. Only now after the disaster are FEMA and the Corps of Engineers trying to assemble the material and equipment to save New Orleans from the fate of Atlantis. Even worse, articles in the New Orleans Times-Picayune and public statements by emergency management chiefs in New Orleans make it clear that the Bush administration slashed the funding for the Corps of Engineers' projects to strengthen and raise the New Orleans levees and diverted the money to the Iraq war. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune (June 8, 2004): It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us. Why can't the U.S. government focus on America's needs and leave other countries alone? Why are American troops in Iraq instead of protecting our own borders from a mass invasion by illegal immigrants? Why are American helicopters blowing up Iraqi homes instead of saving American homes in New Orleans? How can the Bush administration be so incompetent as to expose Americans at home to dire risks by exhausting American resources in foolish foreign adventures? What kind of homeland security is this? All Bush has achieved
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
About time. Still, a little late in my book. Greg and April wrote: He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi. Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Thanks. I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look down. This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a fly by? I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up right now. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it. Hakan At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love to blame stuff on Bush and his cronies. Except...I'm not sure that all the kings men could have put Orleans together again. Certainly, having pissed away the country's emergency resources, Bush is responsible for many of the deaths in La and Ms. Kinda like stupid kids who empty the fire extinguishers in school. But I think Katrina, and years of head-in-the-sand development is what drowned Orleans. taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Bede wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting. The situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq. The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job. After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps. Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes. The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water. What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made no preparations in the event Hurricane Katrina brought catastrophe to New Orleans. No contingency plan existed. Only now after the disaster are FEMA and the Corps of Engineers trying to assemble the material and equipment to save New Orleans from the fate of Atlantis. Even worse, articles in the New Orleans Times-Picayune and public statements by emergency management chiefs in New Orleans make it clear that the Bush administration slashed the funding for the Corps of Engineers' projects to strengthen and raise the New Orleans levees and diverted the money to the Iraq war. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune (June 8, 2004): It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us. Why can't the U.S. government focus on America's needs and leave other countries alone? Why
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor
How many gallons does it hold? Mika Feldmann wrote: I made my processor out of an abandoned Guiness keg (stainless) with a few threaded stainless pipe couplings welded in place for an immersion heater, a temperature probe for heat control, and fittings for a circulation pump. Here in Canada, it isn't worthwhile sending the old kegs back to Ireland. Mika */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: FuelMeister - Voldemort lives... Keith, Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine. Juan G. From: Keith Addison Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900 Hello Juan I would appreciate some help. I am new to the list and I read a few days ago on one of the threads that metal tanks should be used to make a biodiesel processor. There are 2 processors I saw on the web 1 at Freedom Fuel America the other at BioDiesel gear. Both are polyethylene ( i am sure most on the list have seen them) are these any good? Also is there any other place web or otherwise where I could find biodiesel processors in kits or assembled. Thank you for help. Juan G. Huh, second time in 10 minutes... Re Freedom Fuel America - the odious FuelMeister rears its ugly head once again! http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html Or: http://snipurl.com/h9ou Re: [biofuel] Best Processer You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons of high-quality biodiesel for that price. The FuelMeister is overpriced junk that is not capable of making quality biodiesel. The instructions that come with it are just as useless. BiodieselGear? Does anybody buy those things? They got some derisive comments when they launched. What's the point anyway? Build your own, a lot cheaper and a lot better, and anybody can do it: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Sussex county, where the big beach-front houses are located, is on the list of places covered by Fed. flood insurance. As long as it is under-written, people will build there. When beach front resorts and their beaches blow away in storms, the money to rebuild always comes from the taxpayers somehow. Government policies encourage irresponsible building. The USACE often performs sand replenishment for beaches as well. Greg and April wrote: Mike, I have been looking at the pdf link, in your post, and I am not understanding your reference. Could you please elaborate? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 20:03 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? I want to build my 2 million dollar dreamhouse on the beach and make the taxpayers foot the bill when it gets flattened. See: http://www.fema.gov/cis/DE.pdf Rehoboth Beach is almost all on a barrier island. It's nuts to build there, and nuts to keep paying to put the houses back. But I guess the money is better spent than being used in Iraq. Greg and April wrote: Yes. If people live in an area, they should learn of dangerous natural occurrences ( quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, blizzards and the like ), and make preparations for them. Like I said in another post: I have no issue with those that TRIED to do something to help them selves and still got into trouble. BUT I do have issues with those that did NOTHING ( despite all the warnings ) to help them selves then expect the government and everyone else to drop what their doing and save them, because they would rather buy a case of beer, than a bus ticket.. Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that they may only have 5 min warning to get to higher ground, and may lose everything they should not live below a dam. If people are going to fly, they need to take it upon them selves to find out what kind of aircraft they are going to be flying on and find out if that model of aircraft has a good history of flight safety, and then take the personal responsibility to accept that sometimes the one in a million chance actualy happens. If one looks at the past one can see that a given area is subject to hurricanes and should prepare accordingly. If you live below sea level near a coast, expect the fact that you have a chance of getting flooded.If you live within 50 ft of sea level near a coast, expect that the tidal surge could very well reach you. Empathy?My empathy is for the kids that couldn't leave because of ignorant parents and for the people that tried and still failed.Not for someone that bought a case of beer, instead of a 5 gal bucket of water that could save their life. 7 MRE's can keep a person alive for 2 weeks, and cost about the same as a case of beer. If people would pay attention when the experts tell them not to expect help after a disaster for at least 72 hrs, they would be allot better off putting the money to a 72 hr kit than spending it to drink that stupid beer. With a little ingenuity, 72 hr kits are not expensive nor are they hard to put together, I have put several together for my family. If I had to leave the house: I can with 5 min notice, keep my family of 4 going for 24 hrs. With 20 min notice, I can keep my family going 72 hrs, with some shelter. With an 1 hour notice, I can keep my family going for more than 2 weeks in some comfort. With 1 day of notice, I can hook up with a couple of friends and my 2 sisters, and live comfortably for a month with out any other assistance. If I don't have to leave the house, I'm good for 1 month in the winter, and 4+ months in the summer. I do not live in a flood plain. I have a little multi-fuel stove, that can burn any liquid fuel, and a fireplace that can burn any solid fuel ( I have a little wood stove I could install in a day or so ), to cook food. I scrounged most of the materials and built a safe room in the basement. I have three 55 gal barrels filled with water, plus enough containers for another 500 gal of water ( and that is not counting the 55 gal water heater ). I have a chain saw and enough fuel to keep it going for a week strait. I also have a 5ft cross cut timber saw, a couple of axes, a maul and some splitting wedges, and know how to make wood wedges ( done it several times when my metal wedges were stuck or not available ). I'll say it now: If anyone on this list, would like help putting together a 72 hr kit, I would be more than happy to give any help I can! In part it's a little like learning to make BioDiesel because the DinoDiesel is running out. Just remember, is going to be extremely hard to put one together, during
[Biofuel] The real reason
Rumor has it that the only reason President Bush offered money and aid to rebuild the Katrina-damaged coastal areas of Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana is that he misheard on the news that there was major damage and flooding all along the Golf Course. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in
We don't want them spreading the poison of socialized medicine to all those uninsured poor people in New Orleans. Besides, the president is on it. Everything is fine. The National Guard is there, Bush is personally on the phone on the ground, directing the federal relief effort, calling the proper federal agency leaders to cut the red tape, working with his wealthy friends to raise money. We don't need no Canadians. Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: I have been following all the reports on CTV, CBC and BBC. Canada has the DART system that was used in the tsunami in Asia and is ready to be shipped to the disaster areas along with specialized teams and resources. Canadian hydro crews and all sorts of supplies and offers of help have been expressed by Canadian politicians. I have heard nothing on CTV, CBC or BBC about Canadian teams not being allowed in to help. Maybe you can check with homeland security and see what they have to say about it. Canadians have always stepped up to the plate to help, even though the U.S. treats them like a friendly lap dog sometimes. regards tallex Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Canadian help not allowed to fly in Sent: 02 Sep '05 22:37 I was sent this blog item about Canadian help being denied entrance to flood areas. Did any Canadians hear the newscast? Anone know if it is true? http://www.dailykos.com/ US won't let Canada help Katrina victims by kos Wed Aug 31st, 2005 at 20:58:29 PDT A specialized urban search and rescue team from Vancouver will be joining the rescue efforts in Louisiana in the wake of hurricane Katrina. B.C. Solicitor General John Les said the province decided to send Vancouver Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) after officials in Louisiana asked for help. We're the first non-U.S.-based team to be requested, said Les. They're going to be helping as many people as they can. CTV Vancouver has learned that the team will board a plane Wednesday night heading to Lafayette, Louisiana, where local authorities will direct them to devastated areas. Sounds great! Except for one problem -- this team wasn't allowed to fly into the US, blocked by Homeland Security from entering. A Canadian reader sends this report: On tonight's news, CTV (Canadian TV) said that support was offered from Canada. Planes are ready to load with food and medical supplies and a system called DART which can provide fresh water and medical supplies is standing by. Department of Homeland Security as well as other U.S. agencies were contacted by the Canadian government requesting permission to provide help. Despite this contact, Canada has not been allowed to fly supplies and personnel to the areas hit by Katrina. So, everything here is grounded. Prime Minister Paul Martin is reportedly trying to speak to President Bush tonight or tomorrow to ask him why the U.S. federal government will not allow aid from Canada into Louisiana and Mississippi. That said, the Canadian Red Cross is reportedly allowed into the area. Canadian agencies are saying that foreign aid is probably not being permitted into Louisiana and Mississippi because of mass confusion at the U.S. federal level in the wake of the storm. Once the hard-hit region is back on its feet, there better be a full accounting of the preparation and response to this catastrophe. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
2004 tahoe Flex Fuel - is this available in the US? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, This is a Great thing, I would like to learn more. I just bought the wife a 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel, But my mole sieve dehydration unit is still on the trailer in the backyard. this new SUV is a great thing for helping my plan take shape. It will get the wife in the backyard cooking corn with me. Immobilized Yeast, wow again, From: Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun AM 08:04:51 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org CC: GPECBIOMASS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all We have recently finished Master level postgraduate study on ethanol production using immobilized yeast cell using alginate to produce alcohol from fine apple wastes and coconut waters in laboratory scale . Instead of operating the Bio system in a batch mode , fed batch operation can improve signifigatively the productivity and very thankful for the members bring this new process . Compared to convencional free cell process , the usability of the fixed yeast cell by support is practicall process for ethanol production by big company especially in Japan and USA due to high productivity. This new Bio process with high productivity can be adopted to farmer level for the Bio ethanol production even in dryer area using sweet sorghum as very well documented in the following excellent study from China http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e07.htm Compared to alginate the use ofvthe natural latex is more practical for small farmer use .More over the long self life of the yeast that can be activated using air can make the procees very great and simple to reducing the time Our biofuel list member can make this new inovative bio process combined with the extractive fermentation using vegetable castor and flash evaporation using solar energy to make the ethanol fuel for rural population bio fuel to be less energy intensive as this is negative side of the biofuel production process. The most of the rural people in developing country spent 30 percent of the their income for buying the cooking gas for the fuel.Making their own fuel can make them free from money lending pr and hence the bioethanol has a lot of role to play and all the member here too towards the sustainable globalization. Let the members in our list who has experience join here , share and exchange the same so that the one in the remote area in all the world too can have the jouney to make the bioethanol anda BioD to be simple and practical for the great green future There is no need for the war and dependence for the limited non renewable petroleum and big refinery as all of us need food, fuel and peace . Pannir Selvam Brasil On 9/3/05, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ; This is a great idea and link!! Thanks. Best Regards, Peter G. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Look how well the US embargo of Cuba has worked. If it's such a good idea to embargo Communist countries, let's embargo China. We can't of course, they could destroy our country's currency at the drop of a hat. Personally, if we want to get rid of Castro, probably the best thing we could do would be to flood Cuba with Western goods, ideas in the form of visitors, and communication. The embargo was and is a stupid idea. With regards to Iraq, Saddam managed to sneak quite a bit of money in during the blockade, and managed to build even more palatial residences for himself. The money went to the select Sunnis who supported the regime, and not to the Shia majority. As is usual in situations where the flow of money is limited due to displeasure with the leadership of a country, it's never the elites who suffer, it's the poorest, which makes one ponder the usefulness of blockades. That said, is there a pragmatic response to the North Koreas and Burmas of the world? What is the role of the UN? What is the role of this subset of people on the Biofuels lists - people who actually take time away from the big screen TV to ponder these questions - a rarity in the US. Many of us have decided NOT to buy into the oil-based economy for various reasons. I know why I have chosen to move away: political - I don't wish to support the interplay of our government and businesses that provide oil; environmental concerns; economic concerns - it's sustainable, and let's be honest, I'm cheap; and finally I often find kindred spirits among the folks that I meet and work with here. I wonder if there is a feasible way to expand this model and use it to extend what I perceive to be commons goals or beliefs among the members of this list? A global Moveon.org or similar? As anyone who reads my posts will notice, I have a hard time keeping my hopes up with regards to my country. The last five years have seen the almost wholesale dismantling of many of the things that have made this country great: a somewhat equitable tax system (gone); an active EPA (gone); a social safety net (gone); a flawed but not rigid rich/poor gap (going) affordable health care (gone); civil liberties (gone) - I could go on. Why do Americans buy into this? Or, why do roughly half of Americans buy into it? Why do we drive Hummers while the rest of the world drives Smart Cars? I hope we can go forward with a government that is able to acknowledge and face the global issues confronting us. Mike - Sleepless in the SouthEast Weaver Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Keith and Hakan, I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my computer does not like to work in 90F+. I have to use the cool of the day to get the farm chores done. I will be back. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:15 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Kim, During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very large number of children died each year, something that Galloway picked up in his part of the US oil for food hearings. ..- who died only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time. Many 1,000's more than anything from the hurricane. I still have the Galloway speech at, http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv This was a direct consequence of the US led blockade. In this case it was not the parents, it was the Americans. I did not see many Americans being upset about that. Hakan At 14:35 02/09/2005, you wrote: Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that. However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves. It is sad that their children have paid an ultimate price for their behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:32 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of their's to say that those whom they condemn or denigrate didn't do all they could within their means? An estimated 112,000 homes that lack transportation in the New Orleans area, with the government agencies fully expecting that 20% of the population would not be evacuated under circumstances similar to or less than Katrina. See Hurricane Pam Exercise, http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm I wonder what it is that these agencies know that Greg and yourself don't? As for rants that you perceive to be acceptable? Well, it is quite out of line to rant when not holding all the facts. Even worse to rant and stereotype
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans mayor failed to use school buses for 4 days
I have a hard time believing this. Everyone knows the FBI would be the ones to do this. The CIA is for overseas hits. Duh. Kirk McLoren wrote: *Lunatic New Orleans mayor who blamed Bush for Katrina now says he fears CIA to take him out...* http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46134 *Excerpts: *New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he's feeling better about his city, he feels confident he has gotten the attention of Gov. Kathleen Blanco and President Bush, but he said he fears the Central Intelligence Agency may take him out because he's been yelling at these officials. He didn't say it once. He said it twice. Last night he told a reporter for the Associated Press: If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened. Today he told interviewers for CNN on a live broadcast he feared the CIA might take me out. Nagin resorted to vulgarity and profanity yesterday in his pleas for help. But he was actually calmer today, despite the hyperbole. Nagin said Bush gave him a hearty greeting and did not seem at all offended by Nagin's earlier outburst. I do think the pleas for help basically got the nation's attention, and the nation's attention got everybody to stop and re-evaluate what was going on, including the president. ... He basically said, 'Look, our response was not what it should have been and we're going to fix it right now.' Nagin said evacuation has been hampered by officials' difficulty grasping where state authority ends and federal authority begins and he said he very frankly urged Bush and Blanco to get a clear chain of command straightened out immediately. *Commentary: *This guy is unbelievable. He got on the tv news yesterday and started screamed (using a barrage of four letter words including repeated use of the f word) about how he had needed hundreds of greyhound buses to evacuate the poor in New Orleans before the storm hit, but no one would help. Yet he never mentioned all of the city school buses and city mass transportation vehicles he could have used, in accord with Louisiana's official disaster plan, but failed to. See photo below of flooded New Orleans school buses, which had been left sitting in the city parking lot /unused/ before the hurricane hit, because the mayor was too stupid to use them to help his own residents evacuate the city. See also the excerpt below the photo, from the Louisiana State Disaster Plan, authorizing cities to use local school buses and other forms of public transportation to evacuate residents.* * *Louisiana State Disaster Plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00* /The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.../ Why were the city school buses and mass transportation buses left sitting in empty lots before the hurricane hit, rather than being used to evacuate the poor? The mayor has no answer. Only misdirection, blame and finger-pointing. It's Bush's fault! And now abject paranoia. If this guy is the best the residents of New Orleans can come up with in terms of political representation, then they have only themselves to blame for the fact that they were not evacuated. The city had the means, and the opportunity. It just didn't have the leadership. President Bush called for the evacuation of Louisiana two days before the hurricane, yet the city school buses sat in the lots unused, thanks to this mayor's inaction. Blaming the federal and state governments is ridiculous at face value. And now this nutcase claims the CIA is going to try to take him out for yelling at federal and state officials. Truth be told, the voters of New Orleans ought to hold a recall election as quickly as possible, and get rid of this menace to society before he gets any more city residents killled. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=34442/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
The food sucked. The cacapes were obviously frozen and microwaved, anf the wine was pink Zinfandel out of a box. Nothingt to get worked up about. The United Way always had MUCH better food at its soirees. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/red-cross-denies-tsunami-money-used-for-cocktails/2005/08/04/1123125841428.html The Red Cross has again denied that money donated to the tsunami appeal would be spent on wining and dining major donors. The /Herald/ reported today that donors who had pledged at least $1000 to the Asian tsunami appeal were invited to a wine and canape event in Sydney last night, staged by the Red Cross. But the Red Cross today dismissed the report, saying the cost of the evening had been funded out of its general operating costs. - The Red Cross is staffed by volunteers at the grass roots level so that is not an expense yet we read that The Red Cross, according to its Web page, gave out elsewhere $153,800,000 of the over $320 million donated specifically for its September 11 disaster relief fund. I consider that significant diversion The general operating costs come from contributions so for the red cross to dismiss the 5000 invited to wine and canapes in Sydney is absurd. If you would have your contibutions go to the needy and not some fat cat with a chauffer give to The Salvation Army or some other group that doesn't divert the monies from the intended recipient. Kirk */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck there and was told the military is. She says many people are VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to express your outrage, their number is: White House Comments: 202-456- Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=34442/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans mayor failed to use school buses for 4 days
I'll call him from from a phone booth. I wouldn't want to be wiretapped... Kirk McLoren wrote: Maybe you could soothe Mayor Nagin with the news. ;) */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I have a hard time believing this. Everyone knows the FBI would be the ones to do this. The CIA is for overseas hits. Duh. Kirk McLoren wrote: *Lunatic New Orleans mayor who blamed Bush for Katrina now says he fears CIA to take him out...* http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46134 *Excerpts: *New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he's feeling better about his city, he feels confident he has gotten the attention of Gov. Kathleen Blanco and President Bush, but he said he fears the Central Intelligence Agency may take him out because he's been yelling at these officials. He didn't say it once. He said it twice. Last night he told a reporter for the Associated Press: If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened. Today he told interviewers for CNN on a live broadcast he feared the CIA might take me out. Nagin resorted to vulgarity and profanity yesterday in his pleas for help. But he was actually calmer today, despite the hyperbole. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virus/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
I, on the other hand, am purposefully ignoring both Keith and Hakan and am kind of hurt that neither one has even noticed. Hakan and Keith, please ignore this post. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Keith and Hakan, I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my computer does not like to work in 90F+. I have to use the cool of the day to get the farm chores done. I will be back. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:15 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Kim, During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very large number of children died each year, something that Galloway picked up in his part of the US oil for food hearings. ..- who died only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time. Many 1,000's more than anything from the hurricane. I still have the Galloway speech at, http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv This was a direct consequence of the US led blockade. In this case it was not the parents, it was the Americans. I did not see many Americans being upset about that. Hakan At 14:35 02/09/2005, you wrote: Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that. However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves. It is sad that their children have paid an ultimate price for their behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:32 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of their's to say that those whom they condemn or denigrate didn't do all they could within their means? An estimated 112,000 homes that lack transportation in the New Orleans area, with the government agencies fully expecting that 20% of the population would not be evacuated under circumstances similar to or less than Katrina. See Hurricane Pam Exercise, http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm I wonder what it is that these agencies know that Greg and yourself don't? As for rants that you perceive to be acceptable? Well, it is quite out of line to rant when not holding all the facts. Even worse to rant and stereotype all who are enduring the same consequence when not all made decisions on the same basis. A bit like saying all Canadians who choose to live in Texas are as dumb as bricks. Or that all black single moms are sucking on the government welfare teat. Maybe there are extinuating circumstances that rip such rants to shreds under even the most simplified examination. Todd Swearingen Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate with a neighbor when we were growing up for the same kind of behavior. There was a broken water main and it flooded the basements of the houses. The one guy on the street that was always bragging about his new toys, was the one that didn't have the money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his insurance premiums. I mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? I am afraid they were not very polite when someone came canvassing for money to help the guy. How about: God helps those who help themselves? I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line. And yes, I have already donated help and I am working on more for the people of Louisianna. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:54 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment? The irony here is how you express less sympathy as the suffering from those mistakes gets worse. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists .org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Red Cross still not allowed in New Orleans
Did they say why? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading on the internet that Homeland Security is not allowing the Red Cross in New Orleans to bring food, water and medical supplies, I called the Red Cross National Affairs number (202-303-5551) this morning and was told that this is true, but they are allowed to help ecacuees in Texas. I asked who is bringing these things to the desperate people still stuck there and was told the military is. She says many people are VERY upset about this. If you want to call the White House to express your outrage, their number is: White House Comments: 202-456- Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
Uh, actually he figured out all the National Guardsmen are in Iraq and Cuba is planning to invade. This is the advance unit. We'll all be speaking Spanish, and swaying to the Cuban beat by Christmas. I, for one, am looking forward to the food if nothing else. Gracias, Miguel ith Addison wrote: He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country Wow, Juan, thank heavens you saw through his evil plan, and just in the nick of time to save the US from being overwhelmed, not to mention CAWKI! Phew! What a narrow escape! Is that 1100 just the advance guard or do you think they'd do the whole job by themselves? Man, *that* specially trained, huh? What else did your researches reveal - are their stethoscopes made by Kalashnikov, deadly at any range less than 1mm? Anyway, you saved the world! Pity about all the patients but hey, you can't have everything. Sorry Mr Nice Guy Fidel, no Bay of Doctors this time! Keith From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500 http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-B B62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
It's clear to me that The Red Cross is in league w/ Castro as well as the Canadians. We're just lucky the Bush Administration saw through this little scheme and kept them all out, otra vez, viva la revolucion, eh? BTW, those Kalashnikov stethoscopes suck. I bought a dozen on Ebay and all I can hear is myself breathing. Keith Addison wrote: He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country Wow, Juan, thank heavens you saw through his evil plan, and just in the nick of time to save the US from being overwhelmed, not to mention CAWKI! Phew! What a narrow escape! Is that 1100 just the advance guard or do you think they'd do the whole job by themselves? Man, *that* specially trainsted, huh? What else did your researches reveal - are their ethoscopes made by Kalashnikov, deadly at any range less than 1mm? Anyway, you saved the world! Pity about all the patients but hey, you can't have everything. Sorry Mr Nice Guy Fidel, no Bay of Doctors this time! Keith From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500 http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-B B62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO?
Look up rendering or trap grease. Or look on the side of the restaurant barrel. Manny Elgarresta wrote: Hello! this is my first post to the list. I am a newcomer to biofuel, but I am quickly learning a lot, thanks in no small part to this list. For example, just a week ago I thought the FuelMeister was great! Now I can see it is an overpriced and underperforming. I have not yet decided on going with biodiesel or SVO, but as I learn more, I am leaning towards BD. Regardless of my ultimate choice, I am going to need a source for veggie oil that's cheap and convenient. Obviously the cheapest source is free restaurant oil. I know that. Thanks. Another idea I am playing with is to set up a 300 to 500 gallon tank next to my garage and buy in bulk from a recycler of WVO. The trouble is, I can find nothing in google, Alta Vista, etc on the prices of this product, or even if it is available in those relatively small quantities. If I can get it for say, a dollar a gallon or less, it will still be a huge moeny saver for me, and I dare say much more convenient than collecting my own. You may think I am lazy...and you would be right.. but there IS another reason for my wanting to find an ultra-convenient way for doing this. The area I live in is chock full of popular international celebrities, like Ricky Martin, the Bee Gees, J-Lo, etc, and I want to show off this biofuel thing to the whole neighborhood. Now, while I may have fun with the DIY aspect of getting my own WVO for free, and I would love to save the extra money free WVO represents, I also want to make using WVO MORE CONVENIENT than going to the gas station. If I can accomplish that, start getting some of my more famous neighbors to convert to this, and put the stories on TV (I'm a freelance TV producer), the movement may get a shot in the arm. So...does anyone know of a WVO recycling plant I can call? Or at least the correct search words I can plug into google? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
Yup. Maybe one of us could be a Democrat and the other a Republican. I call Democrat. Keith Addison wrote: How do you know we're two people? Have you ever seen us in the same room together? Sounds like good presidential material to me. Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 7:42:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am the one and true Mike. This other fellow is clearly an imposter. Do not follow false Mikes. I personally will lead you into temptation. I am running for president. My slogan is: Mike Weaver for president: A troubled man for troubled times. Michael Redler wrote: What!? I have kids!!? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
And a double flat tax on inherited wealth! Or something. In the US it pays to have high prenatal intelligence. Pick rich parents. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is so off base it's not even funny. i could go on at length about this, jeromie, but i think i can boil that message down, adn save a lot of bandwidth, by agreeing with you on one point: you're right, definitely not a humble opinion. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 11:26:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if most of us pay less, then somebody pays more. A 12% tax rate would mean tax break for the rich; hence, the poor would be paying more for the rich persons reduction. #2 I about fell off my couch when I read this. The poor wont be paying for the rich to have a tax break. Flat taxes would be fair, if I make $1, I pay XX%. Very simple. If I can figure out how to make $10 while you can only figure out how to make $1, why should I have to give more then XX% of it over then you? Cause your unable or unwilling to make more? Thats not right at all. A flat tax IS. Something that I have yet to see is lets solve the real tax issue. IMNSHO the real issue is the goverment waste of money, tax breeaks to large companies (normaly people who give donations to the right pockets) and other misguided efforts of people. If we were to truely reform taxes to a flat tax (a good thing) it would mean we HAVE reformed the goverment spending process (and a whole lot more) Jeromie Reeves ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Just look at the Iran/Iraq war. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no disrespect joe, but but you're assuming here that a given government wouldn't replace the lost aircraft. rather a naive notion. high attrition conflicts occur precisely because the opposing governments are determined to carry on fighting despite the losses. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 10:14:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the loss of a pilot is most likely accompanied by the loss of an aircraft so when they are all gone what good does it do to have a bunch of trained pilots standing around with nothing to fly?? Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all
What all does it run on? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to get my dealers to order me one, but no one would, Just got luckey and they had just got one in from texas,. Dark green and 27000 miles on it, 37000 new sticker price, the flex fuel motor was 800.00I got it for 23000, WOW, From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun PM 01:12:40 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel - is this available in the US? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, This is a Great thing, I would like to learn more. I just bought the wife a 2004 tahoe Flex Fuel, But my mole sieve dehydration unit is still on the trailer in the backyard. this new SUV is a great thing for helping my plan take shape. It will get the wife in the backyard cooking corn with me. Immobilized Yeast, wow again, From: Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/04 Sun AM 08:04:51 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org CC: GPECBIOMASS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Journey towards small Biocombustivel for all We have recently finished Master level postgraduate study on ethanol production using immobilized yeast cell using alginate to produce alcohol from fine apple wastes and coconut waters in laboratory scale . Instead of operating the Bio system in a batch mode , fed batch operation can improve signifigatively the productivity and very thankful for the members bring this new process . Compared to convencional free cell process , the usability of the fixed yeast cell by support is practicall process for ethanol production by big company especially in Japan and USA due to high productivity. This new Bio process with high productivity can be adopted to farmer level for the Bio ethanol production even in dryer area using sweet sorghum as very well documented in the following excellent study from China http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e07.htm Compared to alginate the use ofvthe natural latex is more practical for small farmer use .More over the long self life of the yeast that can be activated using air can make the procees very great and simple to reducing the time Our biofuel list member can make this new inovative bio process combined with the extractive fermentation using vegetable castor and flash evaporation using solar energy to make the ethanol fuel for rural population bio fuel to be less energy intensive as this is negative side of the biofuel production process. The most of the rural people in developing country spent 30 percent of the their income for buying the cooking gas for the fuel.Making their own fuel can make them free from money lending pr and hence the bioethanol has a lot of role to play and all the member here too towards the sustainable globalization. Let the members in our list who has experience join here , share and exchange the same so that the one in the remote area in all the world too can have the jouney to make the bioethanol anda BioD to be simple and practical for the great green future There is no need for the war and dependence for the limited non renewable petroleum and big refinery as all of us need food, fuel and peace . Pannir Selvam Brasil On 9/3/05, Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith ; This is a great idea and link!! Thanks. Best Regards, Peter G. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39
nuts. who told you about the Vicodin? was it Redler? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whispered through clenched teeth shoot, mike(s), come on. if i'm going to shill for you, you've got to let it play out. we've got a great scam going, and if all goes as planned you'll win no matter who the people vote for. but your provocative smart aleck remarks could sabotage the whole thing! now, here, have another vicodin, and lay off the booze will ya? In a message dated 9/4/05 2:35:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know we're two people? Have you ever seen us in the same room together? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
Mattew 16:? Have to go to church in my SUV. Bye now. Ian Hodgson wrote: Your so right tallex, I would add people of concience need to become more outspoken more public more active if we are to win the wars. What wars I think the first war is the battle to save humanity, we need to sway the mind of MR/MRS Average from that of the self endulgent self centered consumerist. To people who live value centered lives. Then maybe we (the people of the western world) will not be so willing to be bought off by all the things that affect our bottom line ie interest rates and tax cuts, infaltion figures. When we are given the price of alternative energies for example, they(politicians) speak as though the environment is at thier disposal to either take into account or not, when your at the accountants you are not allowed to say don't include the cost of that yet Bush and my Prime Minister John Howard seem to think they have a right to do that just by, for example, ignoring the Kyoto treaty. The bible says what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world but lose his own soul. I believe we are in the middle of a great irony we are loosing our souls in an attempt to gain the world but the irony is who will want to live in this world after the worst of humanities greed has finished with it. So the first war is for the hearts of the people, then the second war (to save the plannet) can be won. So what am I trying to say, in a nuthell some should be ativists for their beliefs, some should even be prepared to be jailed, some should be educators some letterwritters to papers and some talk on radio some should talk to their children parents relatives and guide them, all should be true to what they know is right and be themselves, and I think if enough people do things like that , maybe enough people will stop voting with thier wallets so that the big changes that we all need can actually happen. regards Ian */Alt.EnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Big deal, He cut 2 days off his vacation to do this ...all for the cameras. As noted by others below, he was the one who cut army core of engineers budget for urgent repair on sinking dykes and improvements to flood control systems. He is the one who continues to distort sound science, the problems of global warming and weakening the environmental protection act. As mentioned by others as well, he is the one who has troops, vital rescue equipment in Iraq when needed here NOW. The lack of a well planned rapid advanced response to this disaster is a shame. There are many hard questions that will need answers in the months to come. regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Greg and April Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Sent: 03 Sep '05 03:33 He spent the day on the ground today, walking parts of New Orleans, and Mississippi. Just like 9/11, it was a few days after it happened. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 20:45 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost Thanks. I personally can't believe all he did was fly by in his jet and look down. This is a catastrophe far worse than 9/11 and all he does is a fly by? I can't even get started on Iraq because I don't want to get wound up right now. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, LOL, you did a very good joke, I liked it. Hakan At 16:53 02/09/2005, you wrote: Whine whine. At least he caught Osama Bin Laden, just like he promised. Hakan Falk wrote: Taryn, You must admit that he killed many more in Iraq for the money, he is responsible for those death also, maybe he call that efficiency instead. More killed for the money. I can guarantee that the pictures of devastated people that we now see from Orleans, have been going on for many years in Iraq. So it is not only Bush fault, he only raised the bar and achieved much more in shorter time frame. When media show the desperation among the Iraqi people, it is not many who cares, maybe Orleans will create more of compassion for the country that US occupy. The homes that are destroyed and people killed in Iraq, are 100's times more than Orleans. Hakan At 08:38 02/09/2005, you wrote: Wow, nice catch Bede, Fits right in with is there blame? I just love
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor
On Anglais, steal of money! Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a écrit : FuelMeister - Voldemort lives... In french, voldemort can mean death flight or steal of dead frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans Mayor: CIA Will Wipe Me Out
That's the problem w/ democracy - you get who you vote for. Kirk McLoren wrote: Too bad competence isn't a requirement of holding office. Kirk = New Orleans Mayor: CIA Will Wipe Me Out September 3, 2005 10:02 p.m. EST http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/718155 Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff Reporter New Orleans, Louisiana (AHN) - Apparently suffering from stress and a bit of paranoia, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin tells CNN Saturday night that he believes the CIA will wipe him out after his criticism of President Bush and the Federal Government in response to Hurricane Katrina. Mayor Nagin seemed to have calmed down after meeting with President Bush for two hours on Friday but became stressed again over the current situation still unfolding in his city. The Mayor has come under serious scrutiny and criticism in the last 72 hours after photos of parking lots filled with school buses that were sitting in a foot of water were released on the Internet. Many critics of the Mayor and Gov. Blanco say the buses could have saved an estimated 20,000 people if they had been used for emergency evacuations which President Bush had declared two days before Katrina hit. Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment strategically placed around the country to be used in the event of a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New Orleans, CNN reports Saturday night. Responding to a CNN inquiry, Department of Homeland Security spokesman Marc Short said Friday, The gear has not been moved because none of the governors in the hurricane-ravaged area has requested it. A federal official says the department's Office for Domestic Preparedness reminded the Louisiana and Mississippi Governors' offices about the stockpiles on Wednesday and Thursday, but neither governor had requested it. As the picture becomes much more clear many in Congress believe that a total collapse of communications on the local and state level contributed to the catastrophic conditions the city of New Orleans has been under. It has become apparent that after President Bush declared the state of Louisiana a state of emergency a few days before the hurricane hit, communication with the White House and FEMA from city officials in New Orleans and the Governor collapsed, says Senator Dr. Bill Frist, who is currently helping victims with medical needs around the city. Our priority now is to save as many lives as possible, and things are improving by the hour, adds Frist. Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor - Plastic Processors
Been there done that. Stainless best, then plain old steel. Will probably use a 55 gal drum or a Appleseed-based when I scale up my current stainless rig. Plastic ok to learn on. -Mike Mills, Duncan wrote: I've got a 55l polyprop (PP) processor - bad choice. Nothing sticks to it - silicon peels off, epoxy flakes away. Works best to have mechanical seals to stop leaking. There is specialized equipment for bonding PP to PP - I was quoted 4500ZAR (715USD). If you're mass manufacturing processors and you've specified the mixing pump and heating element, with ports and orifices the correct size then I guess a plastic of sorts would be cheaper. I'm busy making a steel processor - silicon stops leaking and epoxy sticks. Regards, Duncan Mills 082 853 8356 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: 02 September 2005 10:01 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor FuelMeister - Voldemort lives... Keith, Thank you, Yes I received that email after I sent mine. Juan G. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel Processor Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:01:39 +0900 Hello Juan I would appreciate some help. I am new to the list and I read a few days ago on one of the threads that metal tanks should be used to make a biodiesel processor. There are 2 processors I saw on the web 1 at Freedom Fuel America the other at BioDiesel gear. Both are polyethylene ( i am sure most on the list have seen them) are these any good? Also is there any other place web or otherwise where I could find biodiesel processors in kits or assembled. This E-mail message and its attachments are subject to the disclaimers published at http://www.barloworld-equipment.com/mail_disclaimer.htm Barloworld Equipment - 7 Values: Integrity + Uncompromising Customer Service + Long Term Customer Relationships + Passion For Our Brands + Professionalism + Effective Communication + Winning Through Team Work. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD Q's on WVO and Chemicals
chuck mellin wrote: first off, many thanks to all those people on the list with experience in biodiesel who take the time to answer what must often seem like silly questions. that said, i have a few of those silly questions to ask myself. we've just started producing test batches of biodiesel from wvo with an interested group in the northern philippines. as we continue, i'm hoping to make future trials as beneficial to our learning process as possible. in that respect here are the issues i would appreciate insight on (or the link to where the info already is): *heavily used and reusedand rereused WVO (is there a point at which the oil has been used so much that it becomes unprocessable? any specific issues increase?) Dunno. I've quit fooling with really nasty oil. Just not worth the hassle. Keith will know better. *mixing types of oil including solids like lard and fats in one batch (i've read examples mentioning mixed batches, but what issues do we need to be mindful of?) Only thing I do is heat and stir the whole batch, then titrate and go. Again, unless you have gobs of free bad oil delivered, why bother? *chemical purity (are the numbers given on journey to forever based on 100% pure and so if only 94% pure should we adjust accordingly? is there a point where the chemical is too impure, like 30%pure, to even adjust?) Got me. i think that's it for now. i wouldn't be surprised if most of these questions were already addressed on the journeytoforever website but i haven't found them yet due to limited internet time. i'm still reading through the different types of reactors so hopefully we could more easily process small test batches. thanks again. its surprising this stuff hasn't caught on sooner. Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
I already speak Spanish so it doesn't bother me. With regards to immigration, legal or illegal, all I will say is that the current system needs reform. Richard Littrell wrote: Dear Miguel We are already swaying to cuban music which is really fine. As for spanish, that will be spoken because of the Bush administration's refusal to do anything of substance about illegal immigration from Mexico. They could end it in a matter weeks if they wanted to but they don't. If it weren't for all of the other incredibly vile things this administration has done, this would be the worst. Rick Mike Weaver wrote: Uh, actually he figured out all the National Guardsmen are in Iraq and Cuba is planning to invade. This is the advance unit. We'll all be speaking Spanish, and swaying to the Cuban beat by Christmas. I, for one, am looking forward to the food if nothing else. Gracias, Miguel ith Addison wrote: He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country Wow, Juan, thank heavens you saw through his evil plan, and just in the nick of time to save the US from being overwhelmed, not to mention CAWKI! Phew! What a narrow escape! Is that 1100 just the advance guard or do you think they'd do the whole job by themselves? Man, *that* specially trained, huh? What else did your researches reveal - are their stethoscopes made by Kalashnikov, deadly at any range less than 1mm? Anyway, you saved the world! Pity about all the patients but hey, you can't have everything. Sorry Mr Nice Guy Fidel, no Bay of Doctors this time! Keith From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:24 -0500 http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC8EF57BD-B774-4C33-B410-B B62351EDDE9%7D%29language=EN Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help to US, Says Fidel Castro Havana, Sep 3 (Prensa Latina) President Fidel Castro Friday offered the United States eleven hundred doctors with extensive international experience, plus medicines and diagnostic teams, to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The head of state participated this afternoon in the Cuban television program The Informative Round Table, dedicated to the tragic situation in various states of the northern nation that were in the path of the devastating storm. Fidel Castro said that at 11.32 am local time on August 30 he instructed the Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque to convey to the American government Cuba´s condolences for the loss of human life caused by the cyclone. At that time, he noted, the magnitude of the human and material catastrophe in Louisiana, Mississipi and Alabama was not known. The message, conveyed to the American authorities not only by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Havana but also by the Cuban Interests Section in Washington, indicated Cuba´s willingness to send doctors and necessary medical teams to those states, as well as three field hospitals and the personnel required to staff them. He indicated that in spite of their bilateral political and ideological differences, the island has always maintained a principled position in eventualities such as this, and he recalled the attitude assumed by Havana following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. On that occasion the Cuban government was possibly the first to offer assistance to the United States, when it put the island´s airports at the disposal of airliners flying towards that nation, he said. Fidel Castro said that the offer of August 30 did not seek publicity, and this was stressed in the message sent to the American authorities. He referred to statements of the spokesman of the US State Department Thursday evening about the offers of aid received by Washington from various parts of the world, which failed to mention that of the biggest of the Antilles. President Castro informed that early tomorrow morning Cuba could send to the areas of greatest need the first 100 general medicine specialists, complete with backpacks containing 24 kilograms of essential medicines and diagnostic instruments for emergency situations. Equally, within the next two days Cuba could send another thousand specialists in general medicine, plus equipment. Fidel Castro emphasized that these are all professionals with extensive medical experience tested in the most difficult sanitary conditions of the Third World, who also have English language proficiency. fg/ool/jwp ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] PLEASE READ - Re: Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39
Sorry about that - I just replied to the post - I'll keep an eye out in the future... -Mike Keith Addison wrote: Seems nobody told either of you NOT to post messages with such titles as Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39!!! But in fact they did: at the top of the Digest it says: 'When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Biofuel digest...' Use the thread title or give it a new title. Thankyou. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner nuts. who told you about the Vicodin? was it Redler? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whispered through clenched teeth shoot, mike(s), come on. if i'm going to shill for you, you've got to let it snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Is Katrina the end to Bush's brand of 'conservatism'?
If you watch the main stream media, it seems that black people are portrayed as looters while white people are presented as scavengers J Wermont wrote: Good articles, but I sure wish people (who are mostly progressive and should know better) would stop referring to people who are taking food and supplies, in order to survive, as looters. It makes them sound like violent savages, when in fact, they are barely surviving in a hell hole, with little help from their government services. Joyce W On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 01:34:58PM -0400, John Hayes wrote: Very interesting. While the folks at redstate.org are already counter-spinning hard due to the supposed bias in the MSM (Mainstream Media), more intellectual folks are starting to ask if Katrina represents a tipping point for the current administration and their worldview. I first noticed it with Fukuyama's recent column about Iraq on Tuesday. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/opinion/31fukuyama.html Then Brooks wrote an interesting history of Floods and US politics. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/opinion/01brooks.html The same day Douthat wrote an eye-opening piece on the neo-con world view and how it deals with 9/11 versus Katrina. http://www.theamericanscene.com/2005/09/anti-911-on-september-11-there-was.php Noam Scheiber at the New Republic replied to Douthat's piece. http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=2764 Tom Bartnett said the Bush admin makes Jon Stewart's job such a frickin' cakewalk that the man should send his Peabody's to the White House as a thank-you. http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/archives2/002244.html And then today Brooks essentially said we've already reached the tipping point since the Bush adminstration lacks competence. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04brooks.html Very interesting times we live in. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Anyone hear anyrunblings in the rendering world about protecting our turf?
I ran into a guy who works for the owner of a large trap grease operator in the South - Ga. and area. His take was that there will be some effort on the part of the big boys to: 1. Push legislation that will make WVO a substance that will require certification and insurance to handle. This will expensive enough to drive off us little guys. 2. Rework existing contracts with restaurants to scare the owners and lock us out. 3. Require a certified facility to handle WVO. Some states already have some laws on the books but as I understand these are not too onerous. I already subscribe to one industry publication and am planning to join a few others to see if the above is true. I'm also thinking of attending a conference or so to take the pulse of the industry. In closing, 1. I hope that readers will keep an eye on state and federal WVO legislation and if something comes up, alert the gang. 2. If some or all of the above does come to pass I plan to try to raise enough money to start a WVO facility here in the DC (MD VA DE) area. 3. I have just started researching this - if anyone knows more I would like to hear! -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Diesel vans
Go with a late model used diesel Sububan class. Parts cheaper, easier to fix, forgiving. Mileage not as good as a VW van, but aginf VW vans are, shall we say, rather ungrateful cars. You also have to do your homwork. The stock diesel was so slow as to dangerous. If you must have one, put in a TDI. There a several shops and kits. Frankly, unless you love to tinker or your best buddy is a VW mechanic, skip it. Mel Riser wrote: The instrument and engine electronics are CAN bus based and all of the newer computers can negotiate and talk and display diagnostics. So if you are brave, YES you can alter the code in your engine. I have a friend, who completely redid his display on his Audi A4. I helped some, but he is the genius. I do know a fair amount about the CAN bus as it is an old protocol and was used in some building environmental controls in the past Control Area Network Buy a kit and hook it up and get a laptop You would be amazed If you are a geek anyway Mel -Original Message- From: S. Chapin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:47 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Diesel vans We recently traded in the VW for a Dodge Sprinter aka Mercedes 316 van. I am told by a Bosch fuel injection specialist that the reason Mercedes will not recommend more than b5 is that the bio sets off the 'check engine' light with higher bio%. This is due, he maintains, to the various sensors in the electronic system being somehow stymied by #'s it doesnt expect. I can only guess that perhaps the oxygen sensor, fuel pressure (viscosity?) sensor and maybe temperature sensor would get contradicting info and thereby set off the idiot light. So, if its true, which I will find out as soon as I can get some bio in the tank, then A: is there a way to reconfigure the computer? Or less technically involved B: Would it be simpler to just put a bit of tape over the light when it comes on and run diesel only when it needs to go to Dodge for shop work... thus keeping what may be left of the warranty? I might add that it is a marvelous truck, beats the VW in most departments though a bit of a squeeze in parking garages. S.Chapin Andrew Cohen wrote: Just wanted to thank Keith, et al. for this interesting, albeit politically skewed at times list serve. I learn a lot from the exchanges, and am very appreciative. I'm not going to respond to the political chatter, because I'm more interested in learning how do free myself from fossil fuels, and hopefully save a few dollars A question for my esteemed teachers: is any Diesel motor OK for bio diesel? I am thinking about going out and trading my Suburban in for one of the new GMC Diesel Sierra's, or something else, if anyone has a better suggestion. I have a big family, and need at least 7 seats. The Chevy Sprinter might be a little big for my wife (she needs the car for carting the kids to school, doing the shopping, etc.) I would consider getting a used VW Transporter, Eurovan or something, but I don’t know much about automotive mechanics, and therefore am reluctant to get a used car that I might have to take in for troubleshooting all too often. So if anyone out there can point me in the right direction regarding diesel vans, I'd be extremely appreciative And again, thank you all so much for your fascinating information, and for showing us all that there really is a way out of this petroleum morass. Very gratefully, Drew --- - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Is this fraud?
Looks like highly filtered WWO w/ dino thrown in so the car will start and not gel the fuel. Dunno about the ratios - I dumped a gallon of SVO into a full tank of fossil and the car started and ran fine - was maybe 20% oil? Busyditch wrote: I dont think this guy realizes how fraudulent his ad is. This is NOT biodiesel, just WVO and dino mixed. http://cgi.ebay.com/Bio-Diesel-Biodiesel-Kit-Fuel-for-15-cents-a-gallon_W0QQitemZ5997737337QQcategoryZ3240QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Oil shale
That's why I'm buying a big SUV. I'm going to jack it up, put huge tires on it so I can drive trhough all the floods. Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Robert and all, With all of that investment you can expect things to continue as usual. Move to higher ground folks. Global warming and climate change isn´t going to get any better for a long long time. I believe we are officially in the Atlantic hurricane season this week. I hate to sat this but more storms will be heading to my country soon as well as the Caribbean and Central America. Any tropical storms entering the Gulf of Mexico have a good chance of becoming at least catagory 3 hurricanes until the waters there cool below 30 C. Brace for more of the same until December. Also I would expect this to be a yearly event. Tom Irwin *From:* robert luis rabello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:32:36 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Oil shale Ray J wrote: heating rock to 700degrees... then encasing the area in ice so the oil dont get awaythen pumpin out what u want and they still get 3.5 to 1 net energy gain... wow isnt oil great sounds like a pipe dream to me There is a LOT of money flowing into this kind of technology right now. A former client of mine, who designs the layout of oil refineries in Canada, told me that investment in tar sands and oil shale is creating yet another energy sector boom in Alberta. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca http://www.newadventure.ca/ Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org javascript:kh6k0(new,Biofuel@sustainablelists.org) http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith
I WILL be president soon, in 2008, and *I 'm* pround of you now. Isn't than enough? Mike the First Keith Addison wrote: Hello Andy By the way Keith, I have a hard time just reading the posts, and keeping up with most of the threads, or the ones of interest for me. You get good at it. Whatever you do keep and maintain this is OK with me. Thanks for all YOUR HARD WORK Thanks for saying so Andy, you're welcome. (The President would be proud of you :) ) Aarghh!!! You mean like Mike Brown? :-( I thought you were my friend, is it something I said? Keith Andy ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
I'll have a number 3, a 1, an 1 and a 2 with a side of fried rice and the dumplings please. robert luis rabello wrote: Juan Gutierrez wrote: If I have to explain it, that will fly right by you also Let's see, perhaps you believe that Fidel Castro is bad, or at least, worse than the rest of us. If Fidel Castro is bad then: 1. Everything he says is a lie. 2. Everything he does is evil. 3. The offer to send doctors and medicine is only political rhetoric. Therefore, when Fidel Castro offers to send trained medical doctors to the U.S. to help with disaster relief, you likely believe that: 1. These can't be REAL doctors, or if they are, they're inferior to those trained in the U.S. 2. Since everyone in Cuba has to train in the army: a) these doctors must be Special Forces troops b) they would come to the U.S. with the intent of overthrowing our government and way of life. If the above is true, you likely ascribe to the paradigm of: 1. American society is terribly vulnerable to the subversive influence of communist ideology. 2. The threat of this influence outweighs any benefit of Fidel Castro's offer. Or perhaps: 1. We're so great we don't need no STINKING help! 2. Our own government is doing a splendid job of responding to this crisis. Have I outlined your position accurately, sir? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
t h e n t y p e reeeaaall sllooowwwlyy...ah kin read. It's them finger marks on the screen that usually slow me down. Keith Addison wrote: Juan Gutierrez wrote: If I have to explain it, that will fly right by you also Yes you have to explain it, even if we do turn out to be a bunch of blind dimbulbs. You should be prepared to substantiate what you say, or to acknowledge it if you can't. -- List rules: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-May/07.html Or: http://snipurl.com/gi45 Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:55:31 -0400 Juan Gutierrez wrote: See I thought you guys had some idea. In Cuba all 18 year olds go to military trainning before thats women and men before they get put in the career choice of the government. Including Doctor's and Scientists. So do Austria, Brazil, Croatia, Finland, Greece, Germany, Israel, Italy, Norway, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Venezuela and about 20 other countries. Your point was what? Please tell me you're not actually claiming the Cubans are going to invade the US are you? Are you living in some bizarre John Milius fantasy world? I'll let you in on a little secret - Red Dawn was just a movie, and not a very good one at that. Jennifer Grey and Patrick Swayze can't act, I've seen porn with better dialog and the plot had more holes than a pair of fishnet stockings. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help
My last post laid out the whole evil plan. The Canadians arrive as emergency helpers and meet up with the Cuban specially trained doctors and bam! Invasion team! A pincer movement, and we never even saw it coming. As the National Guard and all of its helicopters are gone, we're sitting ducks. Once they secure new Orleans, the rest of the South is just a matter of time. Pretty soon there'll be no gumbo, poor boys, etouffe, jambalya - as the Army travels on its stomach, we'll be forced to surrender. You may laugh, just like my girlfriend, parents, brothers and sisters, neighbors, social worker and therapist, but we'll see who's right. On a funny but cynical note, one New Orleans refugees was overheard muttering: Maybe we should rename New Orleans Baghdad then maybe some US money will flow out way. John Hayes wrote: Why don't you take a shot at it and we'll let the group decide on the merits of your argument, eh? jh Juan Gutierrez wrote: If I have to explain it, that will fly right by you also From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:55:31 -0400 Juan Gutierrez wrote: See I thought you guys had some idea. In Cuba all 18 year olds go to military trainning before thats women and men before they get put in the career choice of the government. Including Doctor's and Scientists. So do Austria, Brazil, Croatia, Finland, Greece, Germany, Israel, Italy, Norway, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Venezuela and about 20 other countries. Your point was what? Please tell me you're not actually claiming the Cubans are going to invade the US are you? Are you living in some bizarre John Milius fantasy world? I'll let you in on a little secret - Red Dawn was just a movie, and not a very good one at that. Jennifer Grey and Patrick Swayze can't act, I've seen porn with better dialog and the plot had more holes than a pair of fishnet stockings. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. Joe Street wrote: we are the younger brother looking up to the big brother for protection against bullies, ROFLMFAO So go to the biggest bully for protection is that it? Yeah I guess that has been tried before. Joe John Mullan wrote: Being Canadian myself (eh!) I have already accepted the fact that we are not a collection of provinces and territories. Rather, we are 13 states. What chance in hell would we ever have of defending against the good old U.S. of A. Don't get me wrong. I don't ever want our 2 countries to EVER have a relationship that would necessitate such defence. I'm just merely pointing out that we are the younger brother looking up to the big brother for protection against bullies, even if we have the occassional sibling spats. Our forces are only a token and the troops are an additional source for our big brother to draw from. IMHO. Cheers, John On 9/6/2005, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're assuming Canada has the bucks to replace lost aircraft. Rather a naive assumption. LOL. The Canadian military is little more than a token peace keeping force. I come from a family with a long history of military service and I hate to say it and I hope I am not offending anyone of Canadian military but our forces are a joke for a country of this size and most of the serious equipment is either obsolete or heading that way because we can't afford the big time. The last time there was a serious mobilization effort, we had to buy back combat uniforms from military surplus outlets (at a premium what a laugh) because there weren't enough for everyone! Sure we have some quite sophisticated stuff but not nearly enough of it. It is one thing to show up at the scene of a fire (started by the US of course) and set up camp with a bunch of flashy stuff and some troops. It may even have the look of a credible fighting force but it is quite another story to hold the longest undefended border in the world should it one day require defending. Hell we can barely afford to keep our social programs afloat never mind dealing with attrition while trying to defend our natural resources against US agression. Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no disrespect joe, but but you're assuming here that a given government wouldn't replace the lost aircraft. rather a naive notion. high attrition conflicts occur precisely because the opposing governments are determined to carry on fighting despite the losses. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 10:14:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the loss of a pilot is most likely accompanied by the loss of an aircraft so when they are all gone what good does it do to have a bunch of trained pilots standing around with nothing to fly?? Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel and VW Jetta/Golf
my 2002 Golf has been running happily on both homebrew and storebought BD - no problems at all! Pierre Ingels wrote: Hello all, I have started making my own biodiesel recently and am slowly building up an appleseed reactor. I have been getting an old diesel motor to build a generator with and also test the biodiesel in. So far it runs very well. My aim would be however to drive my 2005 VW Golf Variant (in the US it's sold as Jetta?) TDi on biodiesel, at least a mix. I have read all I could and know it's doable and also that VW maintains its warranty if you use Biodiesel. What I have read too however is that biodiesel clogs the fuel filter. And not just on the start (when you start putting bio instead of dino) but always. Is that the case? Should I change the filter more often? Also considering that it's my first real car and that it's hence brand new (well I have put 3000 miles on it) would it be simpler/less hassle/safer to run it on a dino/bio mix first? Any comments are really welcome, I'm looking forward to run on biodiesel but want to make it as smooth as possible. Regards, Pierre ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???
Sounds perfect to me - is your wash water clear after the final wash? Karn Intania wrote: I was washing my BD with hot water three times and checking for pH. (it's neutral.) The BD looks light yellow clear and translucent. How can I sure that the BD does not harm my diesel engine? or any test method that I need to do more? Please...need help regards, Karn __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO? - or, Building or buying a processor.
Hi David, many of the questions you have asked are already address on the JTF website. I would suggest taking a good spin through there, and if you still have questions, asking the list. Most homebrewers, me included, aren't fans of the Internet BD setups, particularly the FuelMeister and others that are plastic. David Lee wrote: hi my name is david lee i live in the bahamas i just joined the list recently this is the frist time i am posting a message to the list i am so greatful that there is a list because i am seeking help on setting up a 1000 gal per day plant to produce biodiesel from used cooking oil methenol and lye first i need to know is there any body out there to contact about processing equiptment and their prices i saw some home kits on the internet but they only range from 25 to 85 gal i also thought maybe i could purchase one of these home kits and take the same tecnology and build 0ne big enough to produce a 1000 gals per day i already have containers to collect the cooking oil in and containers to store the biodiesel in after processing it but i need help with either building one or purchasing one so please if you can help me in any way it would greatly apreciated thanks david From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Source for recycled WVO? Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:31:56 -0400 Look up rendering or trap grease. Or look on the side of the restaurant barrel. Manny Elgarresta wrote: Hello! this is my first post to the list. I am a newcomer to biofuel, but I am quickly learning a lot, thanks in no small part to this list. For example, just a week ago I thought the FuelMeister was great! Now I can see it is an overpriced and underperforming. I have not yet decided on going with biodiesel or SVO, but as I learn more, I am leaning towards BD. Regardless of my ultimate choice, I am going to need a source for veggie oil that's cheap and convenient. Obviously the cheapest source is free restaurant oil. I know that. Thanks. Another idea I am playing with is to set up a 300 to 500 gallon tank next to my garage and buy in bulk from a recycler of WVO. The trouble is, I can find nothing in google, Alta Vista, etc on the prices of this product, or even if it is available in those relatively small quantities. If I can get it for say, a dollar a gallon or less, it will still be a huge moeny saver for me, and I dare say much more convenient than collecting my own. You may think I am lazy...and you would be right.. but there IS another reason for my wanting to find an ultra-convenient way for doing this. The area I live in is chock full of popular international celebrities, like Ricky Martin, the Bee Gees, J-Lo, etc, and I want to show off this biofuel thing to the whole neighborhood. Now, while I may have fun with the DIY aspect of getting my own WVO for free, and I would love to save the extra money free WVO represents, I also want to make using WVO MORE CONVENIENT than going to the gas station. If I can accomplish that, start getting some of my more famous neighbors to convert to this, and put the stories on TV (I'm a freelance TV producer), the movement may get a shot in the arm. So...does anyone know of a WVO recycling plant I can call? Or at least the correct search words I can plug into google? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? If elected, I will apooint Cindy Sheehan director of DHS. She can change the name. Granny D will director of FEC. My administration will be in honor of Peace Pilgrim. Actually, if they both want to run in my stead, I'd yield. I don't think I'd get a second term anyway. Plus, I don't think most of America wants to hear what I have to say, particularly about fossil fuels. I'm neither politician or a lawyer - as my girlfriend (and most of my friends and family) say, I'm a kook. I mean, who has a car that runs on used oil from a Thai restaurant? It smells like lunch when I drive it. And that wood stove jeez... And why oh why build a BD generator to make your own power? And solar water heat? Why can't you be normal? This list makes me happy because it's full of kooks like me, from all nations! Mike of Knossos Keith Addison wrote: I WILL be president soon, in 2008, and *I 'm* pround of you now. Oh are you really? Last I heard from you was that you were ignoring me, not only that you were telling me you were ignoring me. That's a whole new twist on the paradox of Epimenides the Cretan, I'm still trying to figure it out. Are you a politician or a lawyer? Isn't than enough? On the never-never system, an IOU? Sounds like presidential material to me. Anyway, if your running mate's either Granny D or Cindy Sheehan or both (leaving not much room for you) I might consider voting for you. Best wishes Keith Mike the First Keith Addison wrote: Hello Andy By the way Keith, I have a hard time just reading the posts, and keeping up with most of the threads, or the ones of interest for me. You get good at it. Whatever you do keep and maintain this is OK with me. Thanks for all YOUR HARD WORK Thanks for saying so Andy, you're welcome. (The President would be proud of you :) ) Aarghh!!! You mean like Mike Brown? :-( I thought you were my friend, is it something I said? Keith Andy ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who is setting oil prices?
Then let's buy less oil. Bud Eble wrote: O'Reilly had a segment tonight (09/06/2005) about the oil companies and OPEC being responsible for the high oil prices (gouging, etc). From what I understand about the situation, the main driving force for petro prices during the last decade or so has been our own market: In 1983, the New York Mercantile Exchange began to trade oil futures on its commodity market. Over time, commodity market trading would become the price maker. Petroleum prices would not be set by regulators controlling supply, by refiners stating what they would pay, or by OPEC oil ministers setting production quotas. Instead, the oil market would be defined on the tumultuous and volatile trading floors of the NYMEX. We are seeing the consequences of this change. From http://www.ipaa.org/govtrelations/factsheets/UnderstandingWorldPetro.asp Am I missing something? Bud ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
I'd rather by shot by a fascist than shoot at a neighbor. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you be willing to be shot or hanged first? Given the typical methods of authoritarian governments, that's the crucial question. In 1812 coercion was not necessary; propaganda alone sufficed. The American immigrants who made up most of the population of the Niagara peninsula found it hard to take the war seriously, until the American militia started burning and looting. By the end of the war the Niagara frontier was a burned-out desert on both sides. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Mike Weaver wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo? And a storage question
I've found it last about a year in a cool dark place - but I don't have much experience storing it. On that point, would I be better off storing wvo or refining it and then storing the bd? Keith Addison wrote: Who is putting about mis- or disinfo that biodiesel has a very short shelf-life? We keep getting enquiries from people who seem to think so. Does the biodiesel have a shelf life? Or: I read somewhere that biodesil has a short shelf life. And so on and on and on. Somewhere, hm. Any ideas where this BS is coming from? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
F.F., you miss the point. What do you make of wandering blind drunk in a bad neighborhood with psycho packing a .357? ;-) Fritz Friesinger wrote: Eh Mel, than so it's OK if they drowned? F.F, - Original Message - *From:* Mel Riser mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:43 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] New Orleans. Violence mayhem Only time in my entire life I was Almost mugged was in New Orleans. I'm from North La. /Ruston/La Tech area with relatives in NO. We had gone done there when I was about 20 years ago for some wild boy partying on bourbon street. On the way back to our truck, we got lost in the alleys and bumped in to the wrong people at 4 am If the .357 hadn't appeared from under the coat of one of the guys running with us that night, we would have all been robbed and fleeced, maybe knifed or hurt And we had NO IDEA he was packing that thing the whole evening. Kinda glad he did/was though we didn’t hang with him a whole lot more later as well... Psycho as well Stories, stories New Orleans LA is/was one of the most corrupted/crime and Drug infested places on this continent. ALL the cops are bad and drug barons in bed Remember the Grateful Dead Song about being busted in New Orleans? Setup like a bowling pin. The folks from the north are NOTHING like the south and the inner city New Orleans population is what you have seen on TeeVee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 9/6/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
mardi gras--a days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition As long as they are grownups, don't hurt anyone and don't break the law, what business is it of ours? Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone. Didn't our president have a few years of drunken debauchery? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, hi, taryn. I'm surprised to see you take these positions you've often disparaged corporate and government abuse of power indeed i have. and spoken up for the underdogs. as i did with my earlier post to this thread. duncan is not an american but he summed up the meaning quite well (though based on his further comments i'm not sure whether he understood my voice either--see my post immediately preceding this one). Duncan wrote: It seems that you agree that Katrina and what happened during and after are caused by inequalities, but inequalities that are deeper than income. Inequalities that divide a nation to such an extent that one group can call itself American and the other not. of course, i was simplifying things a teeny bit in the interest of brevity and succinctness. for some, for example, the simple fact of mardi gras--a days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition--would be reason enough to let the city sink into the gulf. of course, many who think that way already think in the way i described earlier in this thread. anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] National Geographic on New Orleans
It's well know our Fearless Leader doesn't like to read. Sam Critchley wrote: Hi, A friend sent me this link to a National Geographic article from October 2004, predicting what might happen should a hurricane strike the city: http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/ Spooky stuff. Thanks, Sam ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
Another reason to vote for me - I will declare perpetual peace on Canada! -Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think the u.s. govt will feel it has no choice but to invade canada once the draft gets reinstated. a haven for draft dodgers must not be allowed (yet another aspect of the counter-counter-culture hysteria which has characterized the reagan era). -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:40:26, Darryl McMahon writes: The growing number of disputes where the U.S. is choosing which legal decisions it will respect (in their favour) and ignore (inconvenient), e.g. fisheries, softwood, Devil's lake, can be taken as an indication of U.S. willingness to invoke gunboat diplomacy at their discretion, even with their friends. I don't think the U.S. military will lack for resources to invade northward once the C-in-C gives the order. Darryl McMahon Doug ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Would you be willing to be shot or hanged first? Given the typical methods of authoritarian governments, that's the crucial question. In 1812 coercion was not necessary; propaganda alone sufficed. The American immigrants who made up most of the population of the Niagara peninsula found it hard to take the war seriously, until the American militia started burning and looting. By the end of the war the Niagara frontier was a burned-out desert on both sides. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Mike Weaver wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel and diesel engine???
I run a Changfa (Yanmar knockoff) on homebrew (triple-washed) and it's fine. Karn Intania wrote: Hi Malcolm, The shake test that you said is used proportion between water and BD 1:1 or 2:1, also, I plan to use my BD with a 125hp 1996-yanmar diesel engine for water pumping. Hi Michael, Keith, I did not do both test you said. however, I will figure it out what I gonna do with the said-test methods. Hi Mike, It is clear and has some soap(very little). I measure pH with litmus paper in the third wash. Thanks all regards, Karn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?
I thought (gulp) that I read here that one could count on about a year for BD storage. Dino perhaps a bit longer. I think people are confusing the statement (again, apocryphal) that BD breaks down faster than sugar *in the open air* Ken Dunn wrote: I can't seem to find it but, I thought that there WAS a recommendation on JtF to store BD for no long than a given time (I won't give the time frame that my memory serves in case I'm wrong) (the same time frame as for storing petro diesel). No? On 9/8/05, *Keith Addison* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is putting about mis- or disinfo that biodiesel has a very short shelf-life? We keep getting enquiries from people who seem to think so. Does the biodiesel have a shelf life? Or: I read somewhere that biodesil has a short shelf life. And so on and on and on. Somewhere, hm. Any ideas where this BS is coming from? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Canada's secret biological weapon WAS Iran's Nuclear Program
That's all ok with me but what about As it Happens? Will it replace Fox news? Joe Street wrote: Well as everybody knows the government of Canada is actively supporting biological and genetics research. Apparently they want Canada to be a world leader in biotech but this is really just a front for a covert military program called operation Beaver Fever. Canada's seemingly blithe willingness to forgo nukes was really a strategic move to gain trust and avoid scrutiny while behind the scenes progress on the new weapon of massive destruction accelerated. The lack of military spending was part of the smoke screen and makes perfect sense when it is realized that it is completely unnecessary to have conventional forces when such a terrible and loathesome weapon is at your disposal. This plan dovetailed with the parallel research track in cloning and transgenics to mass produce a weapon so terrible that even it's proponents quake in fear when considering the possibility that the weapon could one day fall into the wrong hands. Taking a hint from local farmers who are able to grow turkeys to massive proportions by a combination of drugs and ground up cows, scientists set to work on genetically engineering a variant of the nefarious rodent already renown for it's great capacity for destruction in the forests of the Great White North. The result is said to be more viscious than the creature depicted in the Monty Python's The Holy Grail and it is whispered that it is refered to by operatives as The Bushwhacker but it's official name is the DeHaviland Turbobeaver. By transplanting the magnetic compass gene from the Canada Goose into the rodent brain and programming it to migrate south losses due to gnawing 'friendlies' is expected to be virtually nonexistent. Research into spontaneous human combustion has also enabled the scientists to install a latent capability into the animals to act as incindiary devices when they get close to washington so that the hugely successful tactic of burning the Whitehouse which was used to such great effect when Canadian troops defeated America in 1812 (or was it? -well one of the many times we defeated them anyways) can be used once again by remote control while the 'troops' prepare for vacation and celebration in Cuba on all the money saved by not buying US made military hardware. I understand that plans are already afoot so that once Canada takes over in it's new role as world superpower/police international law will quickly be updated to ensure that all products being sold or traded will have to be made from softwood and it will be illegal for Texas to fly the lone star. French and english will become THE official language, Michael Jackson will be incarcerated and Michael Moore will be knighted. Noam Chomsky will recieve the Nobel Prize and Hockey Night in Canada (with only the original six) will play 24/7 on every TV channel on the federal networks with reruns of the Canada-Russia series evey weekend. Tom Cruise will not be able to save the day at the eleventh hour but may be allowed to wear platform shoes if he is on his best behaviour and stops spouting off about scientology. So be forewarned neighbor you have but one chance to move north and join us before the first wave is released and it is too late! I am letting you know because you seem to be a good bunch of people on this list. Save yourselves from a horrible fate. Joe John I wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. I have identified a few waves in the nefarious Canadian assault on the US: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavine, Shania Twain and the like. Oh it's on Canada, it's on! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined
Re: [Biofuel] Fox Reports - Pat Robertson's Charity is One of Three On FEMA's Press Release
The Cubans would probably just be assassinated anyway... Michael Redler wrote: ...nice I've been struggling to keep up with the posts. So, if this was already mentioned...my apologies. Mike *Fox Reports - Pat Robertson's Charity is One of Three On FEMA's Press Release* [snip] Male Reporter: FEMA has 3 charities listed on their press release that they sent out. Brown: Ahuh. Male Reporter: One of them is Operation Blessings. Can you tell me why that charity is on the list? And, who put it there? Brown: I'm sure the staff (Comment: Who specifically?) did and it's there because they offered to help and they're doing good work. (Comment: You know this for a fact?) Male Reporter: Operation Blessings is a Pat Robertson organization. Should that be there? Brown: If they're willing to work, if they're willing to help we're not turning help away, we're not turning help away from anybody. (Comment: Is that correct? Did we accept the over 1,000 doctors that Cuba offered to send?) [snip] /more: / http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/07/fox_reports_pat_robertsons_charity_is_one_of_three_on_femas_press_release.php#more ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
That's what I want - a contracting gig in Crete. I get sent to Lagos and Conakry Kirk McLoren wrote: No, he had a little contracting job there. Built a fancy house for some guy. Minos I think. Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver /* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos . Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
I would love to go to Crete - do you have any networks you need fixing? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am from Crete also. I go for a walk to knossos almost everyday, nice to hear about this... Stelios Terzakis The real Cretan... Αρχικό μήνυμα από Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
I could tell a few interesting stories myself... Kirk McLoren wrote: Lagos -- now there's a prize. I worked with a guy that was a Hausa. Nice guy actually. Warm hearted. He used to tell me stories about Nigeria. Some things just leave you shaking your head. 1st prize a day in Lagos. 2nd prize a week in Lagos. Really makes you appreciate the scoundrels we have at home. Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: That's what I want - a contracting gig in Crete. I get sent to Lagos and Conakry Kirk McLoren wrote: No, he had a little contracting job there. Built a fancy house for some guy. Minos I think. Kirk */Mike Weaver /* wrote: The Minotaur? Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver /* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Mike of Knossos . Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
Sorry, those pesky list serv regs again! Besides, it's in the archives! Keith Addison wrote: The Minotaur? MISTer Weaver! This is an unminotaured list, IF you please! And long may it remain so. Kirk McLoren wrote: Gee Mike I didn't know you lived in Crete. My uncle visited there once. --Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ahh...that. I hope you're not upset about that little youthful indiscetion I mean really, it's no worse than DWI, is it? Just as long as you didn't inhale. Mike of Knossos You're not going to put that on your campaign posters are you? Is it in Texas? Anyway, you're welcome, I'm glad you're happy there. Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
Oh, I will. And if they don't peacefully give up their oil, why, I'll invade! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike(s), only if you use different language. promise to wage peace on the canadians, by force if necessary. -chris b. In a message dated Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:12, Mike Weaver writes: Another reason to vote for me - I will declare perpetual peace on Canada! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Offers Pour In, but the U.S. Is Unprepared
The point of a government job is to *not to make work for yourself or your agency.* These rules are pretty clear. Everything, and I mean everything else is incidental. Look at how the FBI kept shutting down the pre 9/11 clues. They had all the pieces, but putting them together would have created a huge workload. See for yourself: Colleen Rowley retired from the F.B.I and blew the whistle on pre-9/11 intelligence failures. Time Magazine named her person of year in 2002 Brian Rodgers wrote: This is a letter to Brian Rodgers. I thought it appropriate for this thread. My friend Lee has more to say about aid efforts if anybody would like to see more. Brian Subject: If this doesn't piss you off you aren't paying attention... According to reliable sources, the efforts of Red Cross and individual volunteers in New Mexico to assist New Orleans evacuees have now largely been shut down by FEMA. The LA Times has just published an interview with Michael Brown of FEMA in which he openly acknowledges that FEMA is blocking the efforts not only of volunteers but also of fire and police departments. Says Brown the Bonehead, There is going to come this natural time when we will release this floodgate of cops and firefighters who want to help. It's the same for anyone who wants to volunteer — we have over 50,000 offers of donations from the private sector. It has to be coordinated in such a way that it helps. In other words, they are deliberately and consciously obstructing relief efforts until such time as they see fit to do otherwise. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-katrina8sep08,0,2942650.story ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
I've had linux Samba servers stay up two years or so Felipe Navarrete wrote: Happy to hear a little linux talk on the list. Im a computer tech for FIU in Miami and use linux wherever possible. My home router is a pentium one 166 with 64 mb ram. Its been up for about five years with little or no maintenance. :-) Doug Foskey wrote: Hi Rumen, perhaps we should start a Linux Biodiesel list?? (LOL) I am using an IPcop firewall, which I find great. Easy to set up, and it will give you a secure wireless AP. On my machine I use Mepis linux, which is based on Debian. My systems are on 24/7. To my knowledge i have never been hacked. regards Doug PS: I feel it is important to give back to open source software in kind, so I have done some proofreading for documentation. Every little bit helps. On Tuesday 30 August 2005 2:46, Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi all,Hi Mike, Grutje, Arden, you have never been alone!Linuxoids are all over the world! MS has been kicked out from Japan, China and even from Bavaria! Dear Mike,rarely there are homes with just one comp.In my house there are 4 and the net comes trough firewalled router on Linux kernel, supplying two more houses with shared Internet. This situation lasts for 2,5 years now and we all have not experienced any troubles.My comp is dual boot - Linux/XP, `kuz my son likes to play games under Windows, but even in this case everything goes smooth. I would like to ask for assistance again - do somebody knows how perform quality test of BD using paper chromatography? Best to all R.Slavov __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] More pork for Halliburton, Bechtel and Shaw
I'm shocked, shocked, to find out that steering has occured in Washington DC. Welcome to DC. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/10/katrina.contracts.reut/index.html Firms with White House ties get Katrina contracts FEMA taps Halliburton subsidiary, Shaw Group, Bechtel for cleanup Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 1:26 p.m. EDT (17:26 GMT) SPECIAL REPORT http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/katrina/ *WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the former head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first disaster relief and reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.* At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast. One is Shaw Group Inc. and the other is Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton. Bechtel National Inc., a unit of San Francisco-based Bechtel Corp., has also been selected by FEMA to provide short-term housing for people displaced by the hurricane. Bush named Bechtel's CEO to his Export Council and put the former CEO of Bechtel Energy in charge of the Overseas Private Investment Corporation. Experts say it has been common practice in both Republican and Democratic administrations for policy makers to take lobbying jobs once they leave office, and many of the same companies seeking contracts in the wake of Hurricane Katrina have already received billions of dollars for work in Iraq. Halliburton alone has earned more than $9 billion. Pentagon audits released by Democrats in June showed $1.03 billion in questioned costs and $422 million in unsupported costs for Halliburton's work in Iraq. Watchdog groups take notice But the web of Bush administration connections is attracting renewed attention from watchdog groups in the post-Katrina reconstruction rush. Congress has already appropriated more than $60 billion in emergency funding as a down payment on recovery efforts projected to cost well over $100 billion. The government has got to stop stacking senior positions with people who are repeatedly cashing in on the public trust in order to further private commercial interests, said Danielle Brian, executive director of the Project on Government Oversight. Bush appointees at Halliburton Allbaugh formally registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root in February. In lobbying disclosure forms filed with the Senate, Allbaugh said his goal was to educate the congressional and executive branch on defense, disaster relief and homeland security issues affecting Kellogg Brown and Root. Melissa Norcross, a Halliburton spokeswoman, said Allbaugh has not, since he was hired, consulted on any specific contracts that the company is considering pursuing, nor has he been tasked by the company with any lobbying responsibilities. Allbaugh is also a friend of Michael Brown, director of FEMA who was removed as head of Katrina disaster relief and sent back to Washington amid allegations he had padded his resume -- which he denies. A few months after Allbaugh was hired by Halliburton, the company retained another high-level Bush appointee, Kirk Van Tine. Van Tine registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton six months after resigning as deputy transportation secretary, a position he held from December 2003 to December 2004. On Friday, Kellogg Brown Root received $29.8 million in Pentagon contracts to begin rebuilding Navy bases in Louisiana and Mississippi. Norcross said the work was covered under a contract that the company negotiated before Allbaugh was hired. Cheney's relationship with Halliburton Halliburton continues to be a source of income for Cheney, who served as its chief executive officer from 1995 until 2000 when he joined the Republican ticket for the White House. According to tax filings released in April, Cheney's income included $194,852 in deferred pay from the company, which has also won billion-dollar government contracts in Iraq. Cheney's office said the amount of deferred compensation is fixed and is not affected by Halliburton's current economic performance or earnings. Allbaugh's other major client, Baton Rouge-based Shaw Group, has updated its Web site to say: Hurricane Recovery Projects -- Apply Here! Shaw said on Thursday it has received a $100 million emergency FEMA contract for housing management and construction. Shaw also clinched a $100 million order on Friday from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Shaw Group spokesman Chris Sammons said Allbaugh was providing the company with general consulting on
Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power
No, I was being silly! I prefer to blow my money building things like BD reactors or heat transfer devices for wood stoves! TarynToo wrote: Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 11, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: *Yeah, I invested in that. Ponzi scheme. TarynToo wrote: ... I remember some blue sky stuff that proposed wind turbines hanging from high altitude balloons, anchored by long tethers. I suppose the tethers were supposed to carry current to the ground, though I'm now struck by the weight of a few miles of high tension copper or aluminum line. As far as staying in the jet stream, It seems like it would be trivial to design a self-steering system like that used for singlehand sailing. If the tether's anchor points were far enough apart, the system could probably swing a few miles north and south and around a hundred degrees or more of the compass, tracking the strongest winds. I think the jet stream shifts hundreds of miles, so I don't know what that would be worth. Anyway it was this kind of big scale extraction that seemed like it could have devastating consequences. Of course you'd need millions of acres of ground level turbines to extract the kind of energy that a wind farm hanging in the jet stream might capture. But I remember reading about this and the proposals to hang big blades in the gulf stream and thinking, Oh Jeez! Another massive engineering project with wildly unpredictable side effects! Taryn http://ornae.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] More pork for Halliburton, Bechtel and Shaw
Slim and none... Richard Littrell wrote: Me too. I thought this only happened at the UN. Say, what do you suppose the chances are that Bush will ask Paul Volker to lead an independnet investigation of Halliburton? :-) Rick Mike Weaver wrote: I'm shocked, shocked, to find out that steering has occured in Washington DC. Welcome to DC. Kirk McLoren wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/10/katrina.contracts.reut/index.html Firms with White House ties get Katrina contracts FEMA taps Halliburton subsidiary, Shaw Group, Bechtel for cleanup Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 1:26 p.m. EDT (17:26 GMT) SPECIAL REPORT http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/katrina/ *WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Companies with ties to the Bush White House and the former head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first disaster relief and reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.* At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work along the battered Gulf Coast. One is Shaw Group Inc. and the other is Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former head of Halliburton. Bechtel National Inc., a unit of San Francisco-based Bechtel Corp., has also been selected by FEMA to provide short-term housing for people displaced by the hurricane. Bush named Bechtel's CEO to his Export Council and put the former CEO of Bechtel Energy in charge of the Overseas Private Investment Corporation. Experts say it has been common practice in both Republican and Democratic administrations for policy makers to take lobbying jobs once they leave office, and many of the same companies seeking contracts in the wake of Hurricane Katrina have already received billions of dollars for work in Iraq. Halliburton alone has earned more than $9 billion. Pentagon audits released by Democrats in June showed $1.03 billion in questioned costs and $422 million in unsupported costs for Halliburton's work in Iraq. Watchdog groups take notice But the web of Bush administration connections is attracting renewed attention from watchdog groups in the post-Katrina reconstruction rush. Congress has already appropriated more than $60 billion in emergency funding as a down payment on recovery efforts projected to cost well over $100 billion. The government has got to stop stacking senior positions with people who are repeatedly cashing in on the public trust in order to further private commercial interests, said Danielle Brian, executive director of the Project on Government Oversight. Bush appointees at Halliburton Allbaugh formally registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root in February. In lobbying disclosure forms filed with the Senate, Allbaugh said his goal was to educate the congressional and executive branch on defense, disaster relief and homeland security issues affecting Kellogg Brown and Root. Melissa Norcross, a Halliburton spokeswoman, said Allbaugh has not, since he was hired, consulted on any specific contracts that the company is considering pursuing, nor has he been tasked by the company with any lobbying responsibilities. Allbaugh is also a friend of Michael Brown, director of FEMA who was removed as head of Katrina disaster relief and sent back to Washington amid allegations he had padded his resume -- which he denies. A few months after Allbaugh was hired by Halliburton, the company retained another high-level Bush appointee, Kirk Van Tine. Van Tine registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton six months after resigning as deputy transportation secretary, a position he held from December 2003 to December 2004. On Friday, Kellogg Brown Root received $29.8 million in Pentagon contracts to begin rebuilding Navy bases in Louisiana and Mississippi. Norcross said the work was covered under a contract that the company negotiated before Allbaugh was hired. Cheney's relationship with Halliburton Halliburton continues to be a source of income for Cheney, who served as its chief executive officer from 1995 until 2000 when he joined the Republican ticket for the White House. According to tax filings released in April, Cheney's income included $194,852 in deferred pay from the company, which has also won billion-dollar government contracts in Iraq. Cheney's office said the amount of deferred compensation is fixed and is not affected by Halliburton's current economic performance or earnings. Allbaugh's other major client, Baton Rouge-based Shaw Group, has updated its Web site to say: Hurricane Recovery Projects -- Apply Here! Shaw said on Thursday it has received a $100 million emergency FEMA contract for housing management and construction. Shaw also clinched a $100
Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power
Sparc IPX anyone? TarynToo wrote: Oh...doh...fooled me. I was looking forward to hearing all the good dirt... Mostly I blow my money maintaining my museum of ancient Mac, BSD, Solaris, Linux Boxen. Foolishly, I gave away my CBM PETs and C64s, but I still have my KIM1! Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 11, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: No, I was being silly! I prefer to blow my money building things like BD reactors or heat transfer devices for wood stoves! TarynToo wrote: Really? Genuine scam? I read about it in Wired or Pop Sci, figured it was just a master's thesis, or some defense proposal. Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 11, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: *Yeah, I invested in that. Ponzi scheme. TarynToo wrote: ... I remember some blue sky stuff that proposed wind turbines hanging from high altitude balloons, anchored by long tethers. I suppose the tethers were supposed to carry current to the ground, though I'm now struck by the weight of a few miles of high tension copper or aluminum line. As far as staying in the jet stream, It seems like it would be trivial to design a self-steering system like that used for singlehand sailing. If the tether's anchor points were far enough apart, the system could probably swing a few miles north and south and around a hundred degrees or more of the compass, tracking the strongest winds. I think the jet stream shifts hundreds of miles, so I don't know what that would be worth. Anyway it was this kind of big scale extraction that seemed like it could have devastating consequences. Of course you'd need millions of acres of ground level turbines to extract the kind of energy that a wind farm hanging in the jet stream might capture. But I remember reading about this and the proposals to hang big blades in the gulf stream and thinking, Oh Jeez! Another massive engineering project with wildly unpredictable side effects! Taryn http://ornae.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Giving up
My experience is to spend more time looking for oil you can work with than trying to crack iffy oil... Brent S wrote: well, I have found a batch of oil that won't sepparate. I have heated it to 220f to make sure there isn't any water in it. It has been at 220f for an hour or so with no boiling. I have titrated it several times with a result of 5. I have made test batches at 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10 grams per litre with no sepparation, just a light brown soup that jells when it cools. the oil itself seams to stay quite thick up to 120-130f. Is there anything that could be in the oil to make it do this? Brent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BD disinfo?
FWIW I have algae blooms in some leftover BD I found cleaning up. I left it outside w/ a loose lid for a year... Doug Memering wrote: My company has been doing some testing with regard to shelf life of Biodiesel. This driven mainly by the debate going on between European and North American standards bodies. ASTM 6571 does not address fuel stability, but the European tests for stability will really only pass BD made from Rapeseed. Enough on that though, the question at hand is shelf life. The findings that we have are that BD does more readily oxidize than petrol diesel. So if left in a open container the shelf life is very short. It will still burn after oxidized but not nearly as well. On the other, most of us would be storing our BD in a sealed container, which limits the oxidation to the amount of air and surface area. The best thing to do is to store it in a sealed container that is as full as practically possible. This limits oxidation to a level that probably won't be noticeable. Of course, if you really want to keep it a long time you can displace the air in the container with nitrogen and then it will keep for a long time, this is something of course that only the military would consider. Hope this helps. Doug Memering Keith Addison wrote: Who is putting about mis- or disinfo that biodiesel has a very short shelf-life? We keep getting enquiries from people who seem to think so. Does the biodiesel have a shelf life? Or: I read somewhere that biodesil has a short shelf life. And so on and on and on. Somewhere, hm. Any ideas where this BS is coming from? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
