RE: t-and-f: Stanford=5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, 1 Fr.

BYU Women's team is just sick. Repeat and still remain mostly underclassmen. Alan From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: T-and-F list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Stanford=5 Jr's, 2 Sophs, 1 Fr. Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:14:53 -0500

Re: t-and-f: The Tao of Running

I like this one: When the great man learns the Way, he follows it with diligence; When the common man learns the Way, he follows it on occasion; When the mean man learns the Way, he laughs out loud; Those who do not laugh, do not learn at all. ..and.. Knowing ignorance is strength. Ignoring

Re: t-and-f: 'Untraceable' Drug Worries Officials

I thought cycling tested hemacrit, not RBC? The two are different. Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: 'Untraceable' Drug Worries Officials Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:35:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from

Re: t-and-f: Is This Really Possible??

If so, then that explains his sudden rise to the top. Quack, quack, quack Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Is This Really Possible?? Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:53:49 -0400 Received: from mc1-f4.law16.hotmail.com

Re: t-and-f: super-conference weekend?

Simple GH, athletes who peak for that one race only to bomb at that one race because of lack of previous races. Why does competitive track in this country end with US nationals? Did we learn nothing from Bob Kennedy? Go somewhere and get your ass kicked (overseas?) then come back learn and get

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

It's becoming obvious now that EPO is the doping drug of the past. It had it's run, but now anyone even thinking of using it will be caught. Of course there are still a multitude of other means of cheating that the smart cheaters are using. As far as I know there still is no test for HgH. My

Re: t-and-f: flying in the face of convention wisdom

My own body tells me otherwise. Maybe it depends on the amount of exercise soreness one has. When I'm running upwards of 120+ miles a week I find that if I don't stretch at least after my run or for a good 30 minutes before bed my legs don't recover as quickly. I also tend to wake up with a

Re: t-and-f: Van Damme... Americans?

Could be that the Chicago guys are putting in a high volume of miles so running any race right now would prove to be futile. You'll see the same with a lot of marathoners. Josh Cox and the Dr. Rosa's Kenyans don't race much beyond a couple marathons and halfmarathons a year. If these guys

Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC

Add Cross-Country! Alan From: Ernest Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ernest Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:00:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc1-f19.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.26]) by

Re: t-and-f: Concrete VS Asphalt (was: Why on the street?)

There are both pros and cons to both running on concrete VS running on asphalt. Concrete is harder, therefore giving you a greater chance of injury, but is it really that much harder? A concrete sidewalk is usually flat, whereas most asphalt roads are slightly crowned in the middle, meaning

Re: t-and-f: Apology

But if the stripper is also a runner would that be all that bad? Ms Rios needs to take her Playboy money and get her teeth fixed. Alan From: nad wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: nad wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f:

RE: t-and-f: women's AOY

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the energy system usage for a marathon is something to the tune of 99% aerobic/1% anaerobic. The 10k is 95% aerobic/5% anaerobic. The 5k is 90% aerobic/10% anaerobic. The 3k/2mile is 80% aerobic/20% anaerobic. The mile is 60% aerobic/40% anaerobic.

Re: t-and-f: Webb going pro

Regular young guy here... I'm 24. I'm someone offered me $100,000 a year, much less $250,000, JUST TO RUN I'm hump that piggie for all it's worth. Who gives a flying fat ass about college running. He won't earn 6 figures in college running. He can still carry on his education while making fat

Re: t-and-f: roids in baseball

My guess is that smaller parks, juiced balls, more teams, weaker pitching, etc is more to blame than roids since more than likely roids has been a part of baseball for at least a good 10-20 years anyway. Since baseball doesn't test and most professional sports don't test or test just for show

Re: t-and-f: Drugs and America's game

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck The quote really should read: Doctors ought to quit worrying about what ballplayers, footballers, basketballers, cyclists, tracksters, gymnasts, figure skaters, etc, etc, etc, are taking,. If there is money involved and it's a sport chances

Re: t-and-f: Bad New for Entine

Agree. Entine's premise is that as a WHOLE, as a GROUP, East African's dominate the distance races while West African's dominate the sprint races. More to the point, that certain ethnic backgrounds dominate, as a GROUP, certain sports. It's not a question of INDIVIDUAL performances, but of

RE: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's

Bad news for the cheaters is that this new form of EPO lasts longer in the bloodstream so it's easier for testers to find it. Good news for the chemotherapy and severe anemia patients though. Alan From: Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mcewen, Brian T [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: track

Re: t-and-f: Re: TF athletes in winter Olympics?

Oxymoron? Flowers Is No Fluke: Black Success In Bobsledding Part Of A Growing Winter Sport Tradition The first ever gold medal victory by a black in the Winter Olympics... How about ski jumping? Being very thin and having a strong push off the ramp are very important. Explosive muscles fibers

Re: t-and-f: Re: TF athletes in winter Olympics?

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Re: t-and-f: Ritz

This guy is the future, hell he's the freakin present. He's scary. He's the pure distance runner. He has marathon written all over him. I'd like to see him do as Culp is doing now, running a marathon when his 10k is strong...but that's a few years away. It doesn't really matter how well he

Re: t-and-f: What track can learn from Winter Games

Ah yes, the Par Lauf Relay. That would be great for TnF as runners attempt to cross the midfield for the exchange. There is a 2x8x200 (2 people, each run 8 alternating 200s) Par Lauf Relay held every year at an all-comers meet in my hometown. It's a great experience as you jimmy across the

Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

Hey, I just had an idea. Anyone remember the running scenes from Endurance? They were spectacular. Copy that. Maybe people can watch 15-30 minutes of straight race coverage if packaged right. Track needs a chase camera going all the way around the track. Even better would be to somehow mic the

Re: t-and-f: U.S. runner fails drug test, retires

Just goes to show how deep the use of perf. enhancing drugs go. They have been used in the game for more years than we wish to admit and are used higher up the ladder than we wish to admit and are used by more top athletes than we wish to admit, from bobsledding to archery to running to

RE: t-and-f: 1500: ain't we got fun?

This isn't just a 1500m problem. It's a problem with most of our distance events...not being able to meet the standard. I agree with Malmo, raise the bar, make them jump higher. While we are at it lower the Marathon Trials standards to the Oly standards of 2:14/2:18. Do the same with the track

Re: t-and-f: Lydiard's prophecy on marathon record

Wasn't it once held that 4:00 was the limit for the mile? The more things change the more they stay the same. We won't ever know the limit in any distance until we start doing what horse racing does and breed for speed. Alan http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004 From: P.F.Talbot [EMAIL

RE: t-and-f: Hosting 2004 Olympic Marathon Trials

This isn't directed at anyone personally but if the top US runners weren't such babies and actually ran worth a shit like they did 20-30 years ago we wouldn't be having this discussion. They got the job done, we have not. They ran the fast time before the trials, got that nonsense out of the

RE: t-and-f: Hosting 2004 Olympic Marathon Trials

Speaky of Buddy Holly, er I mean Buddy Edelen...He ran 2:14ish how many years ago? 40 yrs? We have how many guys under that now? 2? 3? 4? This whine and moan attitude isn't part of the problem it IS the problem. If you make it to the trials, whether you are a 2:22 or 2:12 runner your goal is

Re: t-and-f: Chinese Games: Told ya'll

3 big PRs, one marathon, one 5k, one 10k, less than two months apart. Must be the good drinking water. Alan http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004 From: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Chinese

Re: t-and-f: marathon taper

Not from a personal example but from what I've read/heard the main purpose of the marathon taper is to make sure your legs are fresh for the race. While training for a marathon you are usually putting in a high volume of miles. These miles damage the muscles so you need time in order for the

Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers (Running, in general)

I agree 100%. Sometimes my thoughts and words get mixed up on their way from the keyboard to the screen. 140-150 does seem to be perfect with the occasional stab at higher mileages. It also seems whenever we have a runner who sustains 140-150 for any length of time they prosper (Lemay, Morris,

Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers (Running, in general)

Of course not..:) Having the knowledge of what to do and actually doing it are two different things. Having the knowledge and not doing it is a cardinal sin. I'm burning as we speak. What then can we assume that Alan is doing? As it stands right now around 100 miles a week with 20-30% at a

RE: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

I used to play basketball for an hour or more after an hour run in high school. Believe me, basketball is nothing in terms of conditioning. Football? Does intramural flag football count? In terms of conditioning football is cake. In football you do sprint for 4 seconds and walk/stand around

Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

Oops...mean NCAA All-Americans. I type faster than I think Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:54:41 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [152.163.225.99] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id

Re: t-and-f: London wins race for Gebrselassie

I would argue that he isn't even the greatest African distance runner of all time. Henry Rono anyone? If Tergat had a better kick would we be saying he is the greatest instead of Geb? Alan http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eamonn

Re: t-and-f: Wacky training ideas for off-season

Ouch! Wouldn't consistant running on this track produce some wonderful injuries to the ankle? Gravity is a downward force. When you try to run at an angle like on that contraption strange things will happen to your ankles. I don't care what they say. That thing is just wack. Alan

RE: t-and-f: Barry's pedigree

I wonder if Barry is on nadro? Or better yet, if the pitching wasn't so damn diluted what would either Barry or Micky G have hit? My guess is that niether would have topped 50. Ponder this: There are now 30 MLB teams. A few years ago there were only 26. Say 15 pitchers per team, that's an

RE: t-and-f: Barry's pedigree

from performance-enhancing drugs. From: alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Barry's pedigree Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:52:10 + I wonder if Barry is on nadro? Or better yet

RE: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!

We see what you are saying about commitment and training levels, etc. and improvements in those things would help the US situation. But 150, 180 or 200 mpw isn't really what is gonna get this done /Brian McEwen 100 is better than 70, 130 is better than 100, 160 is better than 130..

Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!

Number of factors: 1. Young runners wait to long to start the marathon mambo. Todd Williams could have broke the US record6 years ago. Look at the marathon men of the 70s/80s...lotta youngsters putting away the miles, not worried about losing track speed. We have 3 or 4 sub 2:10 marathon

Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!

I wonder where 2:19:46 would have been 15-20 years ago? 100th?...maybe? Oh how the mighty have fallen. If we had 100 runners running an average of 140-50 a week with flirtations with 200 how many sub 2:20s would we have? Apparently the Japanese already have this answer. I also doubt they took

Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!

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Re: t-and-f: Do Today's Kids get enough exercise?

Today's 5 year old's are too busy talking on their cell phones, listening to their MP3's and playing the Sega Super Nintendo Dreamcast Playstations to even ponder going out for a game of tag. Gone are the days of kids playing tag, frozen catchers, or just a sandlot game of baseball. When I was

Re: t-and-f: Goodwill 5000 results

I'm calling BS on this one, must be a typo. Surely someone would have taken off? Someone not sure about his kick would have taken off sometime during the race. Alan http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004 _ Get your FREE download

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

Because the injury rates are higher and the risk of never being able to compete later is higher and because the succsess rate is so low. To be clear for every one kid that is good at 15 there are thousands who lie in a waste land of burnout and injury. That is precisely the reason why Kenya

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

I can think of many young kids who run competitively in road races during elementary and middle school age. Problem with most is that they lose interest, they burnout so to speak. Alan http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004 From: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Michael

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

Never said it was bad. The reason why Kenya is so dominant is BECAUSE they have thousands burn out. I'm all for young kids running hard at a young age, but only if they want to. I know many young kids who join local running clubs in their youth. If in order to have 10 medal-caliber runners we

Re: t-and-f: Haile Gebrselassie makes 1/2 marathon debug

Let's also note that altitude has a smaller affect on those born and raised at high altitude and those whose recent ancestors were born and raised at high altitude. Just look at the Kenyan Champs in Nairobi compared to the WC in Edmonton. Still, HG will probably be in the 59-61 range very soon

Re: t-and-f: How about a mile steeplechase?

A funny note: In this one annual meet in high school there was a 1500m steeplechase, but the barriers consisted of hurdles and the water pit was a gymnastics balance beam and a kiddie pool covered by a tarp and secured with old tires on the infield. I would guess the hurdles were set at the

RE: t-and-f: Cherono almost catches Lindgren

Who's to say that these Kenyans are actually 16-19? There's a reason why Kenyans tend to drop in times when they are in their mid 20s...1. Are actually probably 30 and not 25, 2. After so many years of top level running, whether you start at 16 or 20 you tend to fizzle out. Check road race

Re: RE: t-and-f: SI article about most overrated and underrated

. Kennedy's time in office has changed everything if you want to know the truth. -Dan That's a rather large statement for someone who was only in office for 2 years. Like most presidents he did a lot of talking, but these guys actually did something: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S Truman,

RE: t-and-f: Altitude correction... opinion stands...

Altitude physiology is not voodoo. I didn't make these rules. The great Kung-Fu master did, so who am I to say Altitude Schmaltitude... chapman Apparently some people didn't listen to the great Kung-Fu master (yes this is a repost): Kenyan Champs-Nairobi 1700m alt: 1 Charles Kamathi

Re: t-and-f: FW: t-and-f: Re: altitude aid (was: El G's pace in Zürich

Apparently the low altitude of Edmonton hinders performance: Kenyan Champs-Nairobi 10,000 METERS EL: 1700m MEN 1 Charles Kamathi Police 27:47.33 2 John Korir AForces 27:49.34 3 Paul Kosgei Nairobi 27:51.87 Edmonton

Re: t-and-f: How to train NOT to be able to kick and win races.!!

One word: Strides. IIRC, Harald Norpoth, who was a deadly finisher, was coached by a guy (forget his name) who advocated long, slow distance and very little running at race pace or above. Cheers, Alan Shank _ Get your FREE

Re: t-and-f: druggie talk (was chinese women and yegorova)

Lance is most certainly dirty. The whole sport of cycling is. Lance was dirty before cancer and is dirty now. It's simply a part of the sport. Africans, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Americans, no one is clean. From things I've read and from things I've heard I believe most of the top runners

Re: t-and-f: druggie talk (was chinese women and yegorova)

--- KF [guest] from LetsRun.com Less Than 10% Posted 8-18-2001 06:39 --- of the guys in the top 50 in the world are NOT on some kind of performance enhancing

RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

My previous remarks stands and is correct. Same routine...Entine posts dribble, we respond, we respond some more, we get interested, we buy Entine's book, Entine's pockets get fatter. As Malmo said, same ol shite. Alan http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004 From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Book sales down again Jon? Alan From: Jon Entine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jon Entine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track and Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:45:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [128.223.142.13]

Re: t-and-f: Runners Form

And then there is Geb and his either left or right arm that he carries lower than the other. Then going way back you have Zatopek's intense facial contorsions. Alan Hi guys, How about Bill Rodgers' running form ... he was definitely not perfect with his right arm flapping in front of his

Re: t-and-f: theoretical match-race amongst young gods

The goal of such a race is to get from point A to point B. If Ritz can run the distance at a faster pace than Webb then he will win. What Ritz should probably do in such a race is to go out like a bat out of hell and drag Webb along with him. Let's say both can run 8:35, which would be 4:17.5

Re: t-and-f: Gabe's and Lassiters form?

Ah yes, but which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Are you a faster runner because of better form or do you have better form because you are a faster runner. Compare sprinting to distance running. When running fast your body adapts and effeciency improves. Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

t-and-f: There goes the market value

Now that Webb is not going to Worlds I guess it pretty much takes away the spotlight that track has had since he broke Ryun's record. In a perfect world, he would have been top 3, got the A standard in Europe went to worlds and competed. Hopefully the spotlight will still remain, but I'm

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

That's a big statement. Of course Tiger's dad probably thinks Tiger could have beaten Ali in a boxing match and Tiger is bigger than MLK Jr. Tiger's dad seems a bit off to me. I bet there's a whole skeleton army in that family's closet. Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL

Re: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner?

I'm sure there are a lot of fast sprinters in the NBA, NFL, NHL and Baseball. Alan From: nad wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: nad wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Allen Iverson- 400 meter runner? Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:00:58 - I recently heard that

Re: t-and-f: JUCO results

An omen? 6 Allan Kipchoge, South Plains College, Levelland, TX 32:45.44 Alan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: World 10k bests and rabbits

Interesting. How long have rabbits been used on a consistant basis? Any guess what the record would be without rabbits? How about 5k? Would the 5k record be under 12:50 without rabbits? How about the marathon? If the record makers had to set the pace themselves what would the distance records

Re: t-and-f: World 10k bests and rabbits

at record pace, I would call that a rabbit if the finish or not. Alan From: Andrew Eldredge-Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: World 10k bests and rabbits Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Of course

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

I think a lot of times what turns a great high school runner into an afterthought is the change in coach in college. If I was a college coach and Webb was coming to me I'd be asking Webb's high school coach for a little help now and then, just so I don't screw things up. Find out what Webb has

Re: t-and-f: Predict Webb's future

Hmmm...can somebody say deja vu? After Jim Ryun came a swarm of American distance running talent in the 70s and early 80s, especially in the marathon and mostly from developmental sites such as Athletics West and GBTC. With today's young American marathon crew and the recent start up of

t-and-f: How much talent/genetics do you need?

I have always wondered where we draw the line on talent. You could argue that Bill Rodgers who only ran in the 4:30, 9:36 range in high school didn't have a whole lot of talent. You could also point to many others who ran comparable high school times yet went on to win many elite races. You

t-and-f: Re: How much talent/genetics do you need?

Interesting Jon. I'll give you one thing, you sure do make people think and bring up interesting conversations. You bring up something interesting. Just how testable is talent/genetics? If a high school runner runs extremely well off of limited training (Kennedy) one would assume that runner

RE: Re: t-and-f: Bengt Saltin (and others) on muscle fiber type

Has nothing to do with finally seeing the light. Muscule fiber is just one of those things, like height, that you can not change. You can train the fibers to act more slow or fast twitch, but they are still what they are. So in that sense, yes runners be it long distance or sprinters are born.

Re: t-and-f: Bengt Saltin (and others) on muscle fiber type

This is where I agree with genetics 100%. If you are born with an abundance of fast twitch muscle fibers you will never become a very good distance runner, although I could see this person become a good middle distance runner (400-800). From what I've read you can train fast twitch fibers to

Re: t-and-f: Getting the Athletic Edge May Mean Altering Genes Concerned that athletes will

Could be the drug of choice in 50 years? Would there even be a way to determine if someone has altered their genes? Would it even be banned? How can you ban something that you have no way of testing for? Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL

t-and-f: Jon Entine, can we get over this discussion?

Even I am growing tired of this...:) Doesn't matter how many examples we put out it will always be responded to with the individuals VS group thing. Also Jon, to say that one person out of a certain group of people will NEVER do something is a pretty ignorant statement. Not saying that you are

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Physiological studies show that one needs to draw on your aerobic energy reserves after about 45 seconds or so. So you need your Anaerobic energy for about 1:00 right? I would think that in just about any race you would need to draw on your aerobic reserves at some point in time. I would

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

...than 60 percent of all top distance races, from the 800 meters to the marathon. The 800m is not a distance race...repeat, the 800m is not a distance race. Most if not all 800m runners can be/are great 400m runners. In the 800m you see African Americans excel: Johnny Gray, South Americans

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

From: Oleg Shpyrko [EMAIL PROTECTED] RE: Economical reasons. Would there be more american champions if winning a major marathon by a US runner was worth $10, 20 million? My first thought was if that happened I would live in a box and run 200 miles a week right now. Now, why don't I just go

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

H...I never thought of that. That's a very interesting point. The big marathons pay big appearance fees to a fleet of Joe-Kenyans so a fleet of Joe-Kenyans sweep the medal stand. Meanwhile an equally talented Joe-American gets no appearance fee and fights just for a free entry into the

Re: ARGH!! Re: t-and-f: Flat earth Creationism

Now now Jon lets not jump off a bridge here. Never tried to distort what you have written. I do believe what you have written up to a point. Yes, overall there will be more great runners from North/East Africa. I never said there wouldn't. What I replied to was this statement: If you really

Re: t-and-f: London Marathon...Kenyan Dominance?

Scratch that KK comment before. I was looking at the 2000 results with his name in it, not the 2001...oops. Alan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

t-and-f: Re: London Marathon...Kenyan Marathon Dominance?

What is interesting is that in both Boston and London an American or Brit was 6th. I do believe Cox would have been top 5 at Boston if it wasn't for the cramp in his side. What does Jon have to say about South African runners? Of course I haven't read your book Jon. I already know what it

Re: t-and-f: Re: London Marathon...Kenyan Marathon Dominance?

Those are the numbers. That difference IS cultural. The interesting question is why. Tom Derderian Could be because our culture has changed a lot in the past 50 years. The computer and television has produced lazy people. 50 years ago a lot of people in America still lived a relatively

Re: t-and-f: Re: Stripper

Oh god, let's not drag this out into a 100 post discussion about the moral values of America...because there are none. If a kid wanted to look at porn all he has to do is wait till mommy and daddy are gone or in bed and get on the internet...it's not difficult. Now, if the list moderator acted

Re: t-and-f: Re: t-and-f-digest V1 #3543

Testing at birth wouldn't tell you much since your growth is to a large degree genetically programmed. It would have to be after the last growth spurt. Well, then there would be no good way to test for genetic lung capacity because after birth you will improve your lung capacity by your

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

Well, it's old news that Kenyans, mainly Kalenjin's, dominate distance running today. Their evolution has made them superb distance runners. They have lived at altitude for millions of years. They have lived a harder existance than say the American silver platter life. I would like to make

Re: t-and-f: Why we question Chinese marks (was Kristiansen's 'clean' doubt)

It's not the fast time that makes us question these marks. It's the out of nowhere appearance that makes us question these marks. Most of these Chinese marks ('93, '97) were set at their Chinese Games by women who weren't big on the world scene beforehand and then disappeared for the most part

Re: t-and-f: Olympic Trials distance question

Could be wrong, but I believe Weldon Johnson qualified for the marathon and the 10k and ran both. He was also allowed into the 5k because of some strange rule that says if you qualify in one event you can compete in an adjacent event. I think it was him. Could be getting the name wrong. Alan

RE: t-and-f: Records (HS marathon)

It is much more important to develop speed at a younger age because you can't reclaim it when you're older. Could someone delete this sentence from existance? Speed before endurance? M...dunno bout that one..;) That must be why hoards of Africans are running so well. You must develop a

Re: t-and-f: Re: unreal 10K times (was: HS records

Good lord, can we just let it be? Maybe every track in America is off by a fraction of an inch? That would make all times fraudulent. Maybe they all would have ran faster on today's synthetic tracks. It doesn't really matter. They ran the race, they recorded times, it's a done deal. Alan

Re: t-and-f: HS steeplechase

Don't know the official height, but back in high school we had a meet every year that had a "steeplechase". It was a 1500m steeplechase, hurdles were set at the lowest level I think, and the water barrier was nothing more than a balance beam, baby pool, tarp, and old tires set up a little ways

Re: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US

Agree. For the most part, after college, if you want to be successful in distance running you'll have to basically become a bum or run really really fast right out of college and pick up a sponsor. If you aren't fast enough out of college you have to sacrifice a lot in order to become faster.

Re: t-and-f: water vs coke

The bad thing about caffeine is that it dehydrates you, but I think if you take enough water with the caffeine that you should be fine. The bad thing with coke is the carbon-dioxide and acidity...defizzing the cola gets rid of that to some extent, not sure about the acidity though. Alan

Re: t-and-f: water vs coke

I think that it's pretty obvious that water is good for you and coke is bad for you when it comes to any sort of athletic performance. I drink my fair share of carbonated drinks so I try to drink a little more water at night to compensate for the dehydration. In my experience the caffeine in

Re: t-and-f: Tergat Out Of World Cross!

Mmm...I think you just may have hit what just may be the plague of American distance running...;) Sort of the whole "Why do one thing great when you can do 2 or 3 things good?". Don't race, train. Train more, race less. Some of the best marathoners in the world only run 2 or 3 races all

RE: Re: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

I often find it funny that a lot of XC races are run over flat, clipped grass courses. Even worse is the multi-loop courses such as Worlds. I think to qualify as an XC course you have to jump, scramble, or wade through something. I can think of only 3 XC races in my life that were "true" XC

Re: t-and-f: Everything you need to know is on the Discovery channel

calf muscle. You should stretch and strengthen your leg muscles, but you shouldn't overdo it. Moderation is the name of the game. Alan Tobin http://www.mariusbakken.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Everything you need to know

Re: t-and-f: unattached?...Maybe a main reason this sport isn't big in the US

ort are eaten alive out at sea. Instead of whining about "our kids having too many options" or "our kids not growing up at altitude" or this or that we should make the best of what we have. We should follow the example made by other sports. Alan Tobin http://www.mariusbakken.com

Re: t-and-f: Etiquette vs. Rules -- lapped runners

Don't they still do this in some races in Europe? Or is it Kenya? I dunno. I have heard about races in Kenya that are like this. I think...:) Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Etiquette vs.

Re: t-and-f: Where did the following high school milers go to college?

He's at Life College now. Dont know how he's running. I believe he just transfered there last year, don't know from where. Alan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Where did the following high school milers go to college? Date: Tue, 23

Re: t-and-f: NYC Marathon 2001 USA Championship

Jesus H. Christ, about damn time they get out of the stone age. I guess if u bitch long enough people will listen. alan From: "Ryan Grote" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Ryan Grote" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: NYC Marathon 2001 USA

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