Re: [OSM-talk-be] busroutes

2010-08-18 Thread Ivo De Broeck
2010/8/17 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com Ivo De Broeck wrote: I suppose some data can be used in OSM. So it must be possible to load all bus_stops from vvm_stop in batch in OSM? Only put in OSM what we're allowed to put in. Marc got this data for research purposes, he never got

Re: [OSM-talk-be] busroutes

2010-08-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Ivo De Broeck wrote: Its not forbidden to put a link to another website. It is forbidden to make this data available online, like Marc did. And it's careless to link to this data on places like this mailing list: if we ever go out to hunt for available data that we can import in OSM, and they

[OSM-talk-be] Tijdeljike features

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Cardinaels
Hoi allemaal, marcel_travel heeft het camping-terrein van de Antiliaanse feesten in Hoogstraten gemapped: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.43538lon=4.8023zoom=15layers=M Nu is de vraag: Dit terrein is maar 1 weekend per jaar aanwezig in deze vorm, kunnen we dit ergens aangeven?

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Tijdeljike features

2010-08-18 Thread Luc Van den Troost
Ik vrees dat OSM niet de geschikte plaats is om gelegenheidstoestanden te mappen zoals een festivalterrein, toch niet als dat allemaal 'tijdelijke' wegen, kampeerplaatsen, etc.. zijn. Als de wegen permanent zijn, maar slechts uitzonderlijk toegankelijk, kunnen die eventueel gemapt worden als

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Tijdeljike features

2010-08-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Paul Cardinaels wrote: Hoi allemaal, marcel_travel heeft het camping-terrein van de Antiliaanse feesten in Hoogstraten gemapped: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.43538lon=4.8023zoom=15layers=M Nu is de vraag: Dit terrein is maar 1 weekend per jaar aanwezig in deze vorm, kunnen we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-18 Thread TimSC
Assuming GPS tracks have some legal protection in some legal jurisdictions, does anyone care to take a stab at answering my original question? :) TimSC ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-18 Thread Ed Avis
1. While a GPS track recorded 'by accident' while you're doing something else could be considered mere fact, if you expressly go out on a mapping trip and choose which streets to walk down and which to omit, there is some creative element. (I know that I walk in careful patterns to make

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is tracing from Yahoo allowed under the CT's

2010-08-18 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is tracing from Yahoo allowed under the CT's David, David Groom wrote: Secondly

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contradictory Contributor Terms?

2010-08-18 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Contradictory Contributor Terms? A few days ago a question was asked

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-18 Thread davespod
Jukka Rahkonen writes: I have understood that uploaded GPS track logs that we have now are effectively public domain. They are facts (even they do not allways tell the truth) and they miss all the creativity so they are not copyrightable. Everybody can use at least individual tracks for

Re: [OSM-talk] Bilingual rendering for Greece

2010-08-18 Thread Maarten Deen
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:44:48 +0200, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: while working on some special purpose map rendering I was told that it would also be interesting for Greece. So here I have a bilingual map rendering for Greece: http://greece.osm-tools.org/ Please let

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread Toby Murray
Interesting. In the past I've just used JOSM to download all the GPS traces in my area and then taken a screen shot. Since I have been the only person in a 100 mile radius contributing to OSM, I could just use that to say these are all my traces but now there is finally another mapper in the area

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?

2010-08-18 Thread Konrad Skeri
2010/8/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: [...] Seriously, guys, creating nodes with zero tags attached, and attempting to express meaning through them? That's dumb. It's hard enough managing the various confusing meanings of actual tags, without having to mindread your way through the

Re: [OSM-talk] Bilingual rendering for Greece

2010-08-18 Thread Stephan Knauss
Maarten Deen wrote: On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:44:48 +0200, Stephan Knauss So here I have a bilingual map rendering for Greece: http://greece.osm-tools.org/ Please let me know if you consider this useful. Currently the map data of *this* map is not updated. Very! And it would be for all other

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Papers integration with OSM.org ?

2010-08-18 Thread Łukasz Stelmach
Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com writes: At this past weekend's State Of The Map conference in Atlanta, the idea of integrating Walking Papers into the OSM site proper came up a few times. Do people this this is a good idea? An interesting idea? Sounds great. And now for something

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Tuesday 17 August 2010 23:54:55 you wrote: Bernhard R. Fischer wrote: For a long time now I am interested in tagging seamarks.(short version) Same here. I always knew that there wasn't anything near to consensus about much of anything on that front though, with a lot of bad blood

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Tuesday 17 August 2010 21:40:55 Malcolm Herring wrote: Andreas Labres wrote: Continuing dispute between the two groups I was suggesting that a state of peaceful co-existence can be achieved - Our editors will not alter or remove tags that are not ours, and hopefully this will be

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/8/18 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com: Interesting. In the past I've just used JOSM to download all the GPS traces in my area and then taken a screen shot. I did some visualisations in the past using gnuplot, but not caring about projections and the like (just used a cartesian grid).

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Arne Johannessen
Hi Bernhard, thanks for your reply. This message has become longer than I initially expected, as I added some general thoughts of mine. Please do feel free to ignore those and concentrate on open questions. :) Bernhard R. Fischer wrote: [...] Also FT puts just an overlay on top of the

[OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Ulf Mehlig
It has been a while since the use of collection and street relations for collections of ways belonging to the same street have been discussed. I just had a look at http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Planet/En/top_undocumented_relations.html and both relations area apparently ±equally used. Of course I

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Ed Loach
Ulf wrote: I just had a look at http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Planet/En/top_undocumented_relation s.html and both relations area apparently ±equally used. Can't help answering your question, Ulf, but in what way is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:associatedStreet

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: and both relations area apparently ±equally used. True, it's not two but three relations proposals for the same purpose: collection, street and associatedStreet Althoughcollection is not limited to streets, it's also

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread andrzej zaborowski
For some time I have been thinking about making a tileserver / WMS with a visualisation of OSM GPS traces, but one where you can see how many traces overlap at a given point (so some kind of heat map thing). This would be used for tracing in JOSM instead of displaying all the traces in the same

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 22:51, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: For some time I have been thinking about making a tileserver / WMS with a visualisation of OSM GPS traces, but one where you can see how many traces overlap at a given point (so some kind of heat map thing). This would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Bilingual rendering for Greece

2010-08-18 Thread Peter Körner
Am 18.08.2010 10:31, schrieb Stephan Knauss: It's complicated because different languages take up different space on the map. So the placement of icons is not trivial. I did the multilingual overlays on the Toolserver. My first approach was to kick out all Symbolizers from the OSM Style that

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread John F. Eldredge
There is likely to be a considerable difference between the average speed and the maximum speed, particularly along streets that are badly congested at different times of day. The average speed is useful for routing decisions, but should be tagged separately from the maximum speed.

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 18 August 2010 14:57, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The centre line is obvious The problem is when you really have a lot of traces in an area. Considering that people also upload non-car driving traces, and traces from broken GPSes or simply with really big horizontal error, at

[OSM-talk] good gps trace recorder for Iphone?

2010-08-18 Thread IgnacioZ
Hi I wanted to know which you think is the best gps trace tool for iphone. I am currently travelling and would like to record some tracks in order to upload later to OSM. Thanks in advance, Ignacio. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-18 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:04:51 +0200, Nic Roets wrote: We have something better: The routing demo allows manipulation of multiple markers. http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/? lat=47.43117lon=3.46952zoom=5layers=B000FTFTTmarkers=! 52.37101,4.90011!41.98003,2.82021v=motorcarfast=1 Whoow,

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-18 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:13:40 +0200, jynus wrote: On the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Browsing#Adding_a_Marker Thank you all who replied, look like info is there on the Wiki, just not easily searchable. I added two wiki redirect pages, not sure if that is welcomed or not so

Re: [OSM-talk] good gps trace recorder for Iphone?

2010-08-18 Thread Mike N.
I use MotionX GPS ($2.99) - a great UI plus track recorder - although it seems to restrict recorded data to X meters between points There might be a setting to change this, but I haven't found it. I would rather have all data so that I can get an idea of the error, etc. From: IgnacioZ

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Malcolm Herring
I found a wonderful motto at the top of the user page of one of the OSM system administrators, TomH: I don't give a flying monkey's for tag voting, automatic changebots, endless discussions, categories, or any of that crap, but prefer to get on and actually do stuff. This echoes my

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2010 23:08, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: There is likely to be a considerable difference between the average speed and the maximum speed, particularly along streets that are badly congested at different times of day. The average speed is useful for routing

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread David Fawcett
I know that OSM is the place that 'You too can be an Anarchist' (just like everyone else...) ,but after watching discussions on roads, sea marks, addresses, etc. I feel like the OSM community is missing opportunities to leverage individual data contributions when they can't all be tied together in

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: I don't give a flying monkey's for tag voting, automatic changebots, endless discussions, categories, or any of that crap, but prefer to get on and actually do stuff. This echoes my sentiments exactly!

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:14 AM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: Assuming GPS tracks have some legal protection in some legal jurisdictions, does anyone care to take a stab at answering my original question? :) On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:51 PM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread Cory Lueninghoener
Ha, projections! I have been too lazy to think about that so far, so right now this guy just has a cartesian grid going from -180 to 180 and -90 to 90. Maybe sometime I'll add different flattened projections, as well as sticking everything on a sphere. Sometime. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:32

Re: [OSM-talk] good gps trace recorder for Iphone?

2010-08-18 Thread Chris Dombroski
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:13:59 -0300, IgnacioZ zigna...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I wanted to know which you think is the best gps trace tool for iphone. I am currently travelling and would like to record some tracks in order to upload later to OSM. Thanks in advance, Ignacio. I know you only

Re: [OSM-talk] good gps trace recorder for Iphone?

2010-08-18 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:13:59 -0300, IgnacioZ wrote: Hi I wanted to know which you think is the best gps trace tool for iphone. I am currently travelling and would like to record some tracks in order to upload later to OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IPhone#Tracking Try OSMTrack,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-18 Thread TimSC
On 18/08/10 15:13, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:51 PM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: Is tracing someones ODbL licensed GPS track a creation of a derived database or a produced work? Depends how you store the trace, doesn't it? How specifically does the

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread davespod
There is likely to be a considerable difference between the average speed and the maximum speed, particularly along streets that are badly congested at different times of day. The average speed is useful for routing decisions, but should be tagged separately from the maximum speed. Even

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: On 18/08/10 15:13, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:51 PM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: Is tracing someones ODbL licensed GPS track a creation of a derived database or a produced work?

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:25 AM, davespod osmli...@dellams.fastmail.fm wrote: Even average speed for routing purposes would be difficult to determine. How would you differentiate between car, motorcycle, bicycle, unicycle, horse or shank's pony*? I personally tag all my trace uploads with

[OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread Toby Murray
I uploaded a new stretch of river bank last night (over 3k objects). This morning I checked the map and they had not been rendered. When I check /status on the tiles they claim that they are due to be rendered but they are obviously not actually in the render queue because the queue has hit 0 on

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread Claudius
Am 18.08.2010 18:04, Toby Murray: I uploaded a new stretch of river bank last night (over 3k objects). This morning I checked the map and they had not been rendered. (...) Here is a link to the area where you can still see just the river itself with no river banks rendered and all the tiles

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Ulf Mehlig
However, associatedStreet is maybe not the most obvious choice for joining, say, the segments of a motorway; at least I thought, associatedStreet would be used for associating single ways (street segments) with waypoints (symbolising addresses along the street segment) only. In addition (being,

[OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-18 Thread SteveC
The list has become sane again, and I've not had to use any Evil Powers. But, is this what you want going forward? My own inclination is that list moderators are elected per list for, say, a one year period. But I suspect that finding people who want to be a moderator might be hard. Thoughts?

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread Toby Murray
Nope. Someone must have done /dirty on it after I sent the email. Caching issues wouldn't explain why the /status for the tiles claimed they were due to be rendered - plus this was on two different computers, 6 hours apart. Toby On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
They both (street and collection) have problems. type=street is the best type. role=member (or no role) would be the best role. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Since associatedStreet was historicaly the first proposal including house numbers and is the most

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
Also I think the notion of general inheritance should be abandoned. A tag should be on the street relation only if it applies to the street as a whole, and not to the individual ways which make up the relation. IOW, name is fine. oneway=yes, for a dual carriageway, wouldn't be (even though the

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
Ugh, another point: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories Putting all the elements which have addresses referencing a street into a relation seems to me to violate that principle. What's needed is a way to put a reference to the street into the way for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 August 2010 02:45, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Someone must have done /dirty on it after I sent the email. Caching issues wouldn't explain why the /status for the tiles claimed they were due to be rendered - plus this was on two different computers, 6 hours apart. I

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Sebastian Klein
Ulf Mehlig wrote: ... and then there is also the tag relatedStreet -- what's that? :-) relatedStreet was the term used by the AddrInterpolation JOSM-plugin before the associatedStreet proposal was created. It is equivalent to associatedStreet and now obsolete. Sebastian

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: According to the wiki, associatedStreet only allows one occurrence of the street role, Which is the main difference with the proposal 'street'. But this can be changed. It doesn't disturb existing relations and again, we could

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: According to the wiki, associatedStreet only allows one occurrence of the street role, Which is the main difference with the proposal 'street'. But this can be

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: But changing it is probably a bad idea. Do we really want a relation with 500 ways representing the street and 50,000 nodes representing the buildings? wow, 500 ways and 50,000 addresses just for one street ! Show me the map !

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: But changing it is probably a bad idea.  Do we really want a relation with 500 ways representing the street and 50,000 nodes representing the buildings? wow, 500

Re: [OSM-talk] good gps trace recorder for Iphone?

2010-08-18 Thread IgnacioZ
Ok thank you all. I will try OSMTrack since it uploads directly to OSM. Cheers, Ignacio. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:13:59 -0300, IgnacioZ wrote: Hi I wanted to know which you think is the best gps trace tool for

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 17.08.2010 15:52, Valent Turkovic wrote: I have seen that some people put simple pushpins on osm maps. Can't find on WIKI or anywhere how to do that so please point me in the right direction. In addition to the mlat/mlon method mentioned previously, I've listed some alternative tools for

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-18 10:39, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: But changing it is probably a bad idea. Do we really want a relation with 500 ways representing the street and 50,000 nodes representing the buildings? wow, 500 ways and 50,000 addresses just for

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread Liz
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Toby Murray wrote: I personally tag all my trace uploads with mode of transportation (bicycle, car, walking) as well as the make and model of the GPS unit (garmin, edge 305) but yeah that probably can't be relied upon too much. I don't break the trace at the point at which

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: After rereading http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories I'm going to conclude that the proper place to put address information is in the building data, not in the street data, and that associatedStreet should therefore be

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread Toby Murray
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Toby Murray wrote: I personally tag all my trace uploads with mode of transportation (bicycle, car, walking) as well as the make and model of the GPS unit (garmin, edge 305) but yeah that probably can't be

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-18 Thread Ed Avis
We haven't had any problems before the controversy over licences, and I expect that once these troubles are resolved one way or another, there won't be further eruptions. So I'd suggest not setting up any elaborate moderation mechanism until it is proved to be necessary. -- Ed Avis

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Cartinus
On Wednesday 18 August 2010 19:25:22 Pieren wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: According to the wiki, associatedStreet only allows one occurrence of the street role, Which is the main difference with the proposal 'street'. But this can be changed. We've

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 August 2010 07:26, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I had not really considered mixed traces. My workflow typically results in pretty atomic traces especially when it comes to transport mode but yeah I can see your case being another complication in trying to use traces to derive

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Thread Graham Jones
Hi All, Lukas Kabrt has been looking at something like this for his Google Summer of Code Project - might be worth looking at what he has done at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routing/Travel_Time_Analysis. Graham. On 18 August 2010 23:02, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 19

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread Jonas Häggqvist
On 18-08-2010 19:22, John Smith wrote: On 19 August 2010 02:45, Toby Murraytoby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Someone must have done /dirty on it after I sent the email. Caching issues wouldn't explain why the /status for the tiles claimed they were due to be rendered - plus this was on two

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 18.08.2010 19:21, Anthony wrote: put a reference to the street into the way for the building, not a way to put a reference to the building into the way for the street. One possibility is to just use addr:street=way:37863 or addr:street=relation:28917. But as there would be no maintenance

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread John Smith
2010/8/19 Jonas Häggqvist ras...@rasher.dk: I've had the same suspicion. I've asked around on IRC without response and had come to the conclusion that I must be going mad, because surely such a thing would be noticed instantly. Maybe not? Which is why I didn't file a bug after no one else said

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread John F. Eldredge
When you say process a nearby-search for the street name, how broadly is nearby interpreted? Nashville, TN, USA, where I live, has a number of instances of streets that were split by later construction. For example, McGavock Pike extends both north and south of the airport; the airport

[OSM-talk] prettymaps (based in part on OSM data)

2010-08-18 Thread simon
An interesting variant on rendering maps: http://prettymaps.stamen.com/ -- prettymaps is an experimental map from Stamen Design. It is an interactive map composed of multiple freely available, community-generated data sources: * All the Flickr shapefiles rendered as a semi-transparent white

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread Jon Burgess
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 08:51 +1000, John Smith wrote: 2010/8/19 Jonas Häggqvist ras...@rasher.dk: I've had the same suspicion. I've asked around on IRC without response and had come to the conclusion that I must be going mad, because surely such a thing would be noticed instantly. Maybe not?

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:  On 18.08.2010 19:21, Anthony wrote:  put a reference to the street into the way for the building, not a way to put a reference to the building into the way for the street.  One possibility is to just use

Re: [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010-08-18 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Isn't addr:street=Main Street enough? It'd be nice to have an easy way to link the address to the street. Oh yeah, another advantage (though this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 August 2010 09:40, Jon Burgess jburgess...@gmail.com wrote: The automated expiry mechanism is working. There would be many more complaints if it was completely broken. If you believe this is not the case then we need links to some specific nodes or ways which you believe should have

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik render queue stuck

2010-08-18 Thread Toby Murray
Yeah, it definitely doesn't happen all the time. I would say most of my edits work fine and cause a render as anticipated. But there is some set of circumstances that causes something to hiccup. If I see it again I will not touch it and file a bug instead of posting to the mailing list where

Re: [OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:34 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The list has become sane again, and I've not had to use any Evil Powers. But, is this what you want going forward? My own inclination is that list moderators are elected per list for, say, a one year period. But I suspect

Re: [OSM-talk] prettymaps (based in part on OSM data)

2010-08-18 Thread John Harvey
Very cool! It gave me some insight into the area's in my part of the world and it looks great. Well done. John si...@mungewell.org wrote: An interesting variant on rendering maps: http://prettymaps.stamen.com/ snip... Cheers, Simon.

Re: [OSM-talk] Howto add simple push pin or marker to OpenStreetMap ?

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Millar
If you want more than one push-pin marker, you can use open.mapquest.co.uk, which uses OSM map data. Use the MyMaps function, which allows you to create multiple maps each with multiple markers. I haven't used it a lot, but I tried it once and it worked fine for me. - Alan

[OSM-talk] Beaches at lower zoom levels

2010-08-18 Thread Gaz Davidson
Beaches are missing at zoom=12 in Mapnik and zoom=13 in Osmarender, either that or the sea is rendered over them. Is this by design or a bug? For example, here's my hometown: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.6457lon=-2.999zoom=13 Moving the coastline seems excessive, is there a way around

Re: [OSM-talk] Beaches at lower zoom levels

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-08-18 21:38, Gaz Davidson wrote: Beaches are missing at zoom=12 in Mapnik and zoom=13 in Osmarender, either that or the sea is rendered over them. Is this by design or a bug? For example, here's my hometown: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.6457lon=-2.999zoom=13 Moving the coastline

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] JOSM Remote plug-in

2010-08-18 Thread robert
Lennard, Dat van inloggen via OAuth ga ik eens uitproberen. Ik weet niet hoe dat gaat, maar daar zal ik wel uitkomen. Van die USB stick vind ik een minder goed idee omdat dit zou impliceren dat ik altijd die stick bij me heb en deze ook nooit kwijt zou raken. Dat is een illusie. :( Is

[OSM-talk-nl] electrisch parkeren

2010-08-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hallo allemaal, In Amsterdam verschijnen parkeerplaatsen die zijn gereserveerd voor electrische auto's. Ik heb er net een getagd met amenity=parking,electrified=yes[1]. Maar dat moet beter kunnen. Ideeen? Martijn [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5524514 -- Martijn van Exel

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] electrisch parkeren

2010-08-18 Thread Maarten Deen
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:46:11 +0200, Martijn van Exel mart...@geodan.nl wrote: In Amsterdam verschijnen parkeerplaatsen die zijn gereserveerd voor electrische auto's. Ik heb er net een getagd met amenity=parking,electrified=yes[1]. Maar dat moet beter kunnen. Ideeen? Is het echt alleen voor

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] electrisch parkeren

2010-08-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ja, het is alleen voor electrisch! Hier is er één: http://nl.locr.com/photo-the-netherlands-noord-holland-amsteldijk-52-14073184 martijn van exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness - impatience - hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/8/18 Maarten Deen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] electrisch parkeren

2010-08-18 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Bedoel je nou de parkeerplaatsen met oplaadstations of een reguliere parkeerplaats waar je alleen met een electrische auto mag staan? Dat zou uit de tag direct duidelijk moet worden. parking=electric_car ? Gr, Floris Martijn van Exel wrote: Ja, het is alleen voor electrisch! Hier is er

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] electrisch parkeren

2010-08-18 Thread Rob
hehe cool, Voor dat ding heb ik firmware geschreven ;) ik tag de paaltjes als amenity=fuel fuel:electricity=yes Grtz Rob Op 18 augustus 2010 11:16 heeft Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu het volgende geschreven: Bedoel je nou de parkeerplaatsen met oplaadstations of een reguliere

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] electrisch parkeren

2010-08-18 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-08-10 11:41, Rob schreef: Voor dat ding heb ik firmware geschreven ;) Patser ;) Zou je ook niet durven zeggen als die paaltjes straks ook vastlopen ;) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] electrisch parkeren

2010-08-18 Thread Rob
Op 18 augustus 2010 11:45 heeft Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de het volgende geschreven: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 18-08-10 11:41, Rob schreef: Voor dat ding heb ik firmware geschreven ;) Patser ;) Zou je ook niet durven zeggen als die paaltjes straks ook

[OSM-talk-nl] 3dShapes landuse + water import Midden Nederland

2010-08-18 Thread Frank Steggink
Hoi Lijst, Sorry voor de crosspost, maar niet iedereen zit op het OSM forum, dus hoop ik zo een breder publiek te bereiken. Het kan je haast niet ontgaan zijn dat momenteel Nederland wordt verrijkt met bijzonder mooie landuse en water data (zgn. '3dShapes' dataset). Ik heb zojuist de import

Re: [Talk-de] Flächen und Ways

2010-08-18 Thread Willi
Am Dienstag, 17. August 2010 15:59 schrieb Garry [garr...@gmx.de] Am 16.08.2010 15:21, schrieb Willi: Die Datenbank und den Server möchte ich gerne sehen, der eine Weltkarte mit allen Details aller Objekte verarbeiten kann und die Menschen, die all dies eingeben können und wollen. Da

Re: [Talk-de] Proposal: Verleih von xy

2010-08-18 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Mittwoch 18 August 2010, 08:12:50 schrieb Guenther Meyer: waehrend man aus einem rental=xyz sofort rausziehen kann, dass es da xyz zu mieten gibt, auch wenn xyz der Software gar nicht bekannt ist Ich stimme dir zu, dass amenity=* ziemlich überfrachtet ist und begrüße auch neue Kategorien

Re: [Talk-de] Proposal: Verleih von xy

2010-08-18 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Dienstag 17 August 2010, 13:18:28 schrieb Falk Zscheile: Am 17. August 2010 12:55 schrieb Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de: Hi Andreas, Warum also sollte man ohne Not bestehende, funktionierende Tags (amenity=bicycle_rental, amenity=car_rental) über'n Haufen schmeißen? Uebern

Re: [Talk-de] Proposal: Verleih von xy

2010-08-18 Thread Stephan Wolff
Moin! Am 17.08.2010 12:55, schrieb Jonas Stein: Hi Andreas, Warum also sollte man ohne Not bestehende, funktionierende Tags (amenity=bicycle_rental, amenity=car_rental) über'n Haufen schmeißen? Ich stimme Andreas zu. Für alle alle Arten von Fahrzeugen passt rental nicht so recht.

Re: [Talk-de] Garmin 60 CSx via USB-Kabel an JOSM

2010-08-18 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Am 18.08.2010 07:23, schrieb Michael Buege: Ist das wirklich so weit jenseits deiner Vorstellungskraft? Seit ein paar Wochen experimentiere ich jetzt mit Navit rum. Ich besitze weder eine Bluetootmaus noch ein neuzeitliches Telefon. Nur das 60CSx, eine externe Antenne dazu und ein Netbook. Also

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel: freiwillige Zustimmung ab jetzt moeglich

2010-08-18 Thread jh
Am 13.08.2010 15:59, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, jh wrote: Die Contributor Terms sind nicht ueberfluessig, sonst wuerden sie einfach weggelassen werden. Dies sehe ich für die strittige Klausel 3 als von den Proponenten nicht hinreichend belegt. Die ODbL ist eine ganz neue Lizenz. Die hat

Re: [Talk-de] Garmin 60 CSx via USB-Kabel an JOSM

2010-08-18 Thread Steffen Wolf
Hi Johann H. Addicks, Ihr wollt also allen ernstes einen 60CSx als GPS-Empfänger an einem laufenden Laptop betreiben, um die livedaten in Josm angezeigt zu bekommen? Aber das was Ihr (Du und Jan) da vorhabt, das halte ich für reichlich abgedreht. Oder habt ihr jemanden, der Euch in der

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel: freiwillige Zustimmung ab jetzt moeglich

2010-08-18 Thread jh
Am 13.08.2010 18:21, schrieb Ulf Möller: Am 13.08.2010 11:45, schrieb jh: Arroganz, mit der entsprechenden Bedenken der Australier begegnet wird - ich paraphrasiere: dann geht halt endlich streben! - unerträglich und inakzeptabel. Nanu, wer sagt das? Nur ein paar Beispiele:

Re: [Talk-de] Garmin 60 CSx via USB-Kabel an JOSM

2010-08-18 Thread Jan Jesse
Hallo, Ihr wollt also allen ernstes einen 60CSx als GPS-Empfänger an einem laufenden Laptop betreiben, um die livedaten in Josm angezeigt zu bekommen? Ich kann ja verstehen, wenn Leute, die nur eine Bluetooth-Maus und kein neuzeitliches Handy besitzen, soetwas (meintwegen auch mit

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