Re: [OSM-talk] weird "excessive bounces" warnings from the list

2018-10-04 Thread David Earl
Lots of OSM email list mail ends up in my GMail spam. AFAICS this is because the remailer doesn't deal with DKIM headers properly (it changes the signed content, To: for example, so the signature test fails) and some providers (btmail for example) have DMARC records which force the rejection of

Re: [Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - mapper required

2018-07-15 Thread David Earl
s, not sure how old they are. > > > > > > > > *From:* David Earl [mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com > ] > *Sent:* 13 July 2018 17:11 > *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* [Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - mapper > required > > >

[Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - mapper required

2018-07-13 Thread David Earl
The University of Northampton is opening a new campus very soon between between Bedford Road and New South Bridge Road. They would like to get a detailed campus map onto OSM as soon as possible, ideally by August 1. I haven't looked but I'm assuming this would have to be a ground survey as it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Directed Editing Policy

2017-11-22 Thread David Earl
I and colleagues are affected by this policy in that we maintain the map, which is based on OSM data, for the estate of the University of Cambridge (obviously, not exclusively, but in practice, most of the work is done by us, and there are some parts of the estate that aren't generally

Re: [OSM-talk] The Top Ten Tasks list

2017-04-07 Thread David Earl
The link https://pads.ccc.de/k4rlFOGIHb reports an invalid https certificate! On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 at 11:55 Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Thursday 06 April 2017, Simon Poole wrote: > > > > The other issue is brain storming is nice and so on, but you are > > going to disappoint a

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping dangerous - but valid - routes

2016-12-06 Thread David Earl
I also marked some cycle crossings as hazardous, but perhaps with a certain amount of official legitimacy, in that I was preparing the data to use in cycle maps for Cambridgeshire County Council, and the ones I marked were ones they had provided but *they* recognised were not satisfactory: marking

Re: [Talk-GB] John Watson School, Oxford

2016-10-07 Thread David Earl
Fwiw, there is the exact same situation in Ely: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.40627/0.25878 David On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 at 19:19, Lester Caine wrote: > On 06/10/16 18:56, Christian Ledermann wrote: > > How to map this? > The staring point is if you can identify

[OSM-talk] Adding notes on www.openstreetmap.org

2016-05-06 Thread David Earl
It is my experience that many notes people add to the map in my area are misunderstanding what notes are for: they try to add an annotated marker in the hope they can use it to send people directions, and similar. Is this other people's experience too? Could this maybe be discouraged by changing

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. No, they really aren't. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - Churchill College (University of Cambridge) http

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
operators are companies and it'#s UK specific. A URL as an ID might be OK though, as those must belong to the organisation in question. Though they are always subject to change. On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 13:36 David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: On 23/05/15 12:02, David Earl wrote

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
to indicate just the pitches (ie the white lines of a football pitch). Currently there are situations with two 'pitches' on top of each other. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/51.40868/-2.37860 David Fox On 22/05/2015 14:58, David Earl wrote: Yes, the operator tags are the same when

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
the details then. Reorganising it dramatically four years on for the sake of it would probably mean U of C abandoning OSM as being too costly to maintain. On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 12:43 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
As I said, I think the upward compatible change for this is to use a tag with the unique ID of whatever operator (and I think URL would be a good one, not as a link, but an ID, since two people can't have the same one, and all orgs we'd be interested in would have one). That way operator remains

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 11:54 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: The schema for tags that make the University map work is at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge (I've just realised I haven't updated that page with a recent, unrelated new bit, I must

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
May 2015 at 12:30 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Does the main OSM rendering understand building=university? On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 12:27 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, Thanks for the detailed info. My main concern is in terms of the consequences for other

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
the rest of the map back in return, so you really don't want to give them a slap in the face for doing so. David On Thu, 21 May 2015 at 23:13 Phillip Barnett phillip.p.barn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a Cambridge mapper, but I'd advise doing nothing until you've spoken with David Earl who

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
2015-05-22 11:54 GMT+01:00 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: Hi Dan, Yes, Philip's right - I developed and continue to maintain the University map at http://map.cam.ac.uk (as well as doing all of the original street pattern mapping for Cambridge back in 2006). The University has

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
). It's *not* a candidate for a relation because there are no geographical relationships between the components. Richard On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 11:54 AM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Hi Dan, Yes, Philip's right - I developed and continue to maintain the University map

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. But also the assertion within a few dozen miles is wrong, as for Nottingham in China. On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 14:23 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:03, Christopher Baines m...@cbaines.net wrote: On

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
you get a search hit where the result blobs are overlapping they should be merged into one. This is very hard to do, so it will cost a lot. On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 12:40 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-22 12:33 GMT+01:00 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: to render a map using

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
:49 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. No, they really aren't. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - Churchill College (University

Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Cambridge meeting tonight

2015-02-10 Thread David Earl
Thanks - that fits very neatly with a previous meeting in town, so I will try to get along to it. David On 10 February 2015 at 08:27, A. Mayer o...@mayera.net wrote: Hi - for those of you who haven't seen on Meetup or elsewhere: Our First meeting of the year Cambridge OpenStreetMap

Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English

2014-06-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/06/2014 12:04, Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:05:34 +0200 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Hello Andreas, Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just Always been referred to as lifebelts wherever I've been in England. Lifebuoy immediately

Re: [OSM-talk] This has to stop: User Diaries Spam

2014-05-14 Thread David Earl
Just to say, @osmblogs is not the diaries, it is just a conversion of the osm aggregate blogs RSS feed, using ifttt.com. If spam were not in the RSS feed it would not be on twitter either. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Town v City (again, sorry!)

2014-04-22 Thread David Earl
If you want to know population, we should use a population tag. Given its history, much as we might like to pretend otherwise, place=city etc really *is* no more than an arbitrary hint to the renderer, and not much good either because it doesn't reflect the other criteria that would determine

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Indoor walkways

2014-04-04 Thread David Earl
On 04/04/2014 19:40, Dudley Ibbett wrote: I visited the NEC this week and tried using Osmand to navigate between Birmingham International Railway Station and the Hilton Hotel. Whilst the map was very helpful and has lots of detail, the suggested route took you via roads. How might you map the

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Indoor walkways

2014-04-04 Thread David Earl
On 04/04/2014 20:01, David Earl wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/147456596 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148248008 I'll post some photos of what these actually look like in a moment. http://www.frankieandshadow.com/xref/covered1.jpg http://www.frankieandshadow.com/xref/covered2.jpg

Re: [Talk-GB] Town v City

2014-02-25 Thread David Earl
place=city, contrary to various differing cultural uses of the word City, used to be somewhere over a certain population, 100K IIRC. However, it appears the definition on the wiki has been substantially relaxed, as has town. Nevertheless it is still defined by size, albeit woolly: The largest

Re: [Talk-GB] Town v City

2014-02-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/02/14 13:07, Philip Barnes wrote: That is absolutely my point, we should tag the facts and leave it to different renderers to then use those facts in the way that best suits their users. The question that needs to be answered is what fact does place=city represent in UK

Re: [Talk-GB] Somerset Levels Flooding

2014-02-06 Thread David Earl
I think it would be useful to have a means of indicating road closures etc which are different from simply pretending the road doesn't exist or doesn't allow certain users for a while. This would allow renderers to mark closures rather than just gaps or not visible at all, so people see there

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-12-02 Thread David Earl
Excellent, the close has been added. Thank you to whoever did that - thanks for listening. I also noticed on my rail journey yesterday that the GPS also tracks location on the main map, which I think is a really nice touch. David On 02/12/2013 13:17, Philip Barnes wrote: Not sure if its

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-12-02 Thread David Earl
Andy Robinson wrote: But how do I get the box back now that I’ve closed it ;-) Both the links it provided are duplicated in the banner anyway (Learn More == About and Start Mapping == Sign Up), it was always only signposting these more prominently. David

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-12-02 Thread David Earl
://Blogs.OpenStreetMap.org gets you there too of course Cheers Andy *From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 02 December 2013 16:17 *To:* Talk GB *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website Where do I find community blogs now? On 2 December 2013 16:06, David Earl da

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-12-02 Thread David Earl
://Blogs.OpenStreetMap.org gets you there too of course Cheers Andy *From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 02 December 2013 16:17 *To:* Talk GB *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website Where do I find community blogs now? On 2 December 2013 16:06, David Earl da

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-16 Thread David Earl
On 15/11/2013 20:15, Rob Nickerson wrote: (The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change to the OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive feedback) I very much like the fact it is responsive on small screens. Would it be possible to have a

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-16 Thread David Earl
On 15/11/2013 20:15, Rob Nickerson wrote: (The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change to the OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive feedback) One other thing... notes are really helpful, and not immediately new though they were

Re: [Talk-GB] Advice needed for maxweight turning restriction

2013-10-14 Thread David Earl
On 12/10/2013 21:00, Philip Barnes wrote: I came across an odd situation where a road is on way, except for cycles and vehicles over 13'3 high. Its a residential area of Shrewsbury which would be a useful rat run, hence the oneway. But to make it complicated, there is are industrial units, and a

Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Guided Busway Cycleway

2013-09-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/09/2013 10:08, Oliver Jowett wrote: On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:58 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: It's signposted as a bridleway (only the northern section), so it is technically correct. On the basis of map whatbyou see

Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Guided Busway Cycleway

2013-09-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/09/2013 12:52, Oliver Jowett wrote: I'll try to ride the length of the path some time checking what exactly is signposted. http://www.cyclestreets.net/location/32577/ I wonder if cyclestreets assigns different costs to highway=bridleway vs highway=cycleway? It does show them

Re: [Talk-GB] Using store locator as source

2013-09-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/09/2013 17:35, Adam Hoyle wrote: On 16 Sep 2013, at 16:14, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Err, no. That's not how the law works - either on copyright or on database rights. Lol, good point - perhaps I should ask if any of them can attribute a license to the locations on their

Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Guided Busway Cycleway

2013-09-15 Thread David Earl
It's signposted as a bridleway (only the northern section), so it is technically correct. On the basis of map whatbyou see on the ground, thats a valid change. So long as it have bicycle=yes, and retains the NCN information, I don't think it matters that much. Oliver is right though, use by horses

Re: [Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-22 Thread David Earl
Bournemouth (01202)[1] and before long Brighton and Hove (01273), Aberdeen (01224), Milton Keynes (01908), Bradford (01274) and Cambridge (01223) which are all running short of numbers[2], require or will require the 'area code' to be dialled as part of the number, even if you are inside the

[OSM-talk] Evernote Atlas for Windows using OSM

2013-08-01 Thread David Earl
Thought you might like to know: the beta version of the new Evernote client for Windows which came out this week appears to use OpenStreetMap maps for its geolocation of notes (the Atlas section, where it pins notes to the locations where they were created). I don't recognise the tiles (maybe

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/05/2013 12:56, Jason Cunningham wrote: UK legislation is fairly clear that Traffic Islands (with or without hatched markings before are after) are not considered to create two carriagways. We're not mapping legislation, but nethertheless I wouldnt create two carriageways for a traffic

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of lanes / turn restrictions versus multiple ways when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/05/2013 13:30, Oliver Jowett wrote: If there's a better way to represent this while keeping enough information to be able to route sensibly, how should it be done? You can set up turn restrictions with relations where necessary. But as John said, it doesn't do much for pedestrians (or

Re: [Talk-GB] Complaining about refs on roads again!

2013-05-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/05/2013 09:15, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: if someone comes with an alternative proposal for tagging those reference numbers on more minor roads (i.e. a specific key to use), which gains widespread support in the UK, I'd be happy to go along with that. According to

Re: [Talk-GB] Missing place=city nodes: Manchester, Leeds

2013-04-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/04/2013 09:49, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi, I've noticed (through doing nominatim searches) that a small number of UK cities (i.e. Manchester and Leeds) do not appear to have a place=city node, only an administrative boundary. Is this deliberate? I've tried other large UK cities and all of

Re: [Talk-GB] Missing place=city nodes: Manchester, Leeds

2013-04-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/04/2013 13:57, Dave F. wrote: General point: Please don't attach place tags onto other way/polygon objects. They often get deleted when the ways are unpicked then re-added. Indeed. And I would say don't try to use nodes or ways for multiple purposes at all. So putting a node at the

Re: [Talk-GB] Missing place=city nodes: Manchester, Leeds

2013-04-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/04/2013 15:21, Andrew wrote: David Earl david@... writes: In general, it shouldn't be necessary to have a node and an area which represent the same thing. In this case the nodes and areas do not represent the same thing. The areas are the local government districts called Leeds

Re: [Talk-GB] NCN 28?

2013-04-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/04/2013 13:58, Kevin Peat wrote: I am not that familiar with NCN signage. Why are the route numbers sometimes shown in brackets and sometimes not? Just as with ordinary road signs in the UK, the number in brackets means this is the way to route N rather than being route N itself.

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2013-03-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/03/2013 09:25, Brad Rogers wrote: Both those links are the same, and both seem to point (for me anyway) to the original except buses junction. It's not just you, Andy. I got the same result and thought it must be me. Sigh. I corrected them immediately afterwards.

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2013-03-19 Thread David Earl
On 19/03/2013 14:04, David Fisher wrote: Hi Shaun, I take it you're referring to Ipswich? In which case, I can sort of see the logic. It's not one-way, it's no entry, so when the excepting conditions are satisfied it becomes two-way. In Croydon's case there's that no motor vehicles sign at

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2013-03-19 Thread David Earl
On 19/03/2013 20:10, Simon Blake wrote: Could I ask the panel about http://goo.gl/maps/y9Zj3 ? If you look towards the road to the right (Parliament St, Gloucester), there are No Entry signs with no exceptions signed, but on the road it says Buses and taxis only. Equally, the sign under the

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2013-03-19 Thread David Earl
On 19/03/2013 20:34, David Earl wrote: On 19/03/2013 20:10, Simon Blake wrote: Could I ask the panel about http://goo.gl/maps/y9Zj3 ? If you look towards the road to the right (Parliament St, Gloucester), there are No Entry signs with no exceptions signed, but on the road it says Buses

Re: [Talk-GB] Using UK postcode data to generate a heat map

2013-01-30 Thread David Earl
Do you know about openheatmap (http://www.openheatmap.com )? Basically you can supply spreadsheets of locations vs data and it will do the graphics for you. It doesn't know about postcodes, but if you have the means to get locations for postcodes you don't have to do any of the rest. David

Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone famiiar with Hay-on-Wye?

2013-01-06 Thread David Earl
On 06/01/2013 14:02, SomeoneElse wrote: I recently deleted a doodle in Hay-on-Wye, but after doing so noticed that to there northwest there seem to be a cycle path and a footpath _very_ close together: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.073537lon=-3.130221zoom=18layers=M I guess that this

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2012-10-31 Thread David Earl
On 31/10/2012 15:29, Andy Robinson wrote: Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] wrote: Sent: 31 October 2012 15:21 To: Matt Williams Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:49, Matt Williams li...@milliams.com wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] POI collection methods

2012-07-31 Thread David Earl
On 31/07/2012 00:23, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: What methods do you use? Are there any programs for Android which could fit my needs? JOSM is capable of synchronising any continuously recorded audio to a GPS track with waypoints. So if you can create a waypoint with a single click and then

Re: [Talk-GB] Building Numbers

2012-07-25 Thread David Earl
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Chris Hill wrote: On 25/07/12 22:16, Chris Baines wrote: I have been playing around with OSM on my university's campus [1], I have most of the buildings and their names on OSM, but not the numbers. My university are quite good with data, you can see the building

Re: [OSM-talk] aerialway=station + railway=station?

2012-07-19 Thread David Earl
Unlikely as it may seem, I also know of such a combination, in Japan, here http://osm.org/go/7Qymqlx7-- You get out of the train and more-or-less cross the platform to get into the cable car. (the railway is actually a rack railway - follow the railway back down towards Odawara and see the

[OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM

2012-07-11 Thread David Earl
In very simplistic terms, the EU cookie directive requires a web site to prominently disclose the fact that it uses cookies and what for (and in the case of tracking cookies to explicitly obtain the user's consent before doing so). I notice the OSM site doesn't yet do this, even though it

Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM

2012-07-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/07/2012 13:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/11/12 14:03, David Earl wrote: I am (I hope not naively!) assuming that OSM wouldn't indulge in any intrusive cookie tracking which would require explicit consent. I believe OSM uses Piwik which is something like Google Analytics

Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM

2012-07-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/07/2012 13:55, Tom Hughes wrote: On 11/07/12 13:03, David Earl wrote: In very simplistic terms, the EU cookie directive requires a web site to prominently disclose the fact that it uses cookies and what for (and in the case of tracking cookies to explicitly obtain the user's consent

Re: [OSM-talk] Cookies on OSM

2012-07-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/07/2012 13:53, Lester Caine wrote: Piwik requires explicit consent as it's not an 'essential' cookie No, the requirement is for informed consent. The ICO is clear that Implied consent is a valid form of consent and can be used in the context of compliance with the revised rules on

Re: [Talk-GB] Stations and platforms=*

2012-06-28 Thread David Earl
Might this be of help, if the info were included with the station. It seems to be official: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_railway_station_categories David On 28/06/2012 11:15, Jonathan Bennett wrote: tl;dr: Please tag your local station(s) with platforms=n where n2 I had a

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/06/2012 14:57, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) wrote: Merging this data I see that some ways that just lead to an NCN route (but are not actually part of the continuous route) are still marked with the ncn=yes;ncn_ref=xx tags for the route the lead to. What's the feeling on this? I'm a bit torn:

Re: [OSM-talk] Import of buildings in Chicago

2012-05-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/05/2012 17:11, Colin Smale wrote: On 27/05/2012 17:54, Worst Fixer wrote: I want know why importer uses following tags: * chicago:building_id (314 330 objects, used by 2 users). I sent letter to importer, and he said he will not import this tag any more. But, he continues to. No

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/02/2012 10:23, Chris Hill wrote: I find this lack of respect for people's work, and for copyright law rather surprising and out-of-keeping with an Open project. Of course we cannot just take people's work just because they have not replied to an email or two. Hear hear. People change

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-05 Thread David Earl
On 04/02/2012 18:45, Michael Collinson wrote: ... try and contact anyone who has not decided about re-licensing While several of us in Cambridgeshire have tried this, we've had very limited success. It's hard to tell, but the problem seems to that the vast majority of the problem people

Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data!

2012-01-23 Thread David Earl
On 23/01/2012 20:21, Jason Cunningham wrote: Good to see the data being released, But I don't believe this proposed route should yet be added to OSM. You'll regularly here the phrase map what's on the ground, but we all(?) accept upcoming changes to what's on the ground can be mapped, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Spam in user diaries

2012-01-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/01/2012 00:30, Tom Hughes wrote: On 19/01/12 19:08, Matthias Meißer wrote: Hi, as our spam protection by trigger on people that mark a entry with the words spam seem to work, Not sure what you're saying here, but if you think writing spam as a comment has some effect then you are very

Re: [Talk-GB] Misguided user kane123

2012-01-13 Thread David Earl
I bet you this is liam123 in a different guise. He's editing in the same area doing quite similar things. David On 13/01/2012 13:41, Andy Allan wrote: Anyone fancy dealing with http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kane123 ? All of their changesets so far are bogus, and need reverting. Cheers,

Re: [Talk-GB] License change anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2012 11:44, Peter Miller wrote: Is there no way in this case to formally 'claim' the IPR for this features on the basis that we have moved them and edited all the surrounding features? Exactly the question I raised on talk on Monday. I don't think you even need to have moved

Re: [Talk-GB] License change anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2012 13:46, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Michael Collinson wrote: +1 to Richard's suggestion odbl=clean Just a tiny little clarification - this isn't something I've dreamed up, it's a real live tag with 9,000 occurrences in the database already, and which is being used by status

Re: [Talk-GB] License change anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2012 14:53, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 01/10/12 15:37, Frederik Ramm wrote: Yes, the trouble is when Frederik pointed this out and referred to the page, it says it is for cases where the suspect edit has been wiped out, not simply verified from other sources. How can you change the

Re: [Talk-GB] License change anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2012 16:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Earl wrote: Why does pressing the keys make any difference whatsoever? The original contributor doesn't own the copyright in the name, only their contribution, and by marking it odbl clean I'm making an alternative contribution which asserts

[OSM-talk] Making dealing with license problem objects easier

2012-01-04 Thread David Earl
Now that we have Frederik's very helpful license vulnerability tool, I've been doing some pre-emptive work in my area. Without re-opening old wounds about the merit or otherwise of the forthcoming data loss, I'd like to make some suggestions arising out of the patterns I've noticed that mean

Re: [OSM-talk] Making dealing with license problem objects easier

2012-01-04 Thread David Earl
On 04/01/2012 16:09, Toby Murray wrote: This already exists in the form of the odbl=clean tag. Anything tagged this way will show up green in Frederik's map. It is documented here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Remapping/License_Change_View_on_OSM_Inspector Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

Re: [OSM-talk] Making dealing with license problem objects easier

2012-01-04 Thread David Earl
On 04/01/2012 16:34, Frederik Ramm wrote: odbl=clean is that tag, and already used by OSMI and editors. It is a bit questionable to use it on stuff that I could have mapped myself. I suggest that odbl=clean only be added if you have indeed modified the object in a way that you believe

Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Licence Change

2011-12-21 Thread David Earl
I did the same around Teversham/Cherry Hinton last week, and also looked at what I'd need to do to replace unlicensed contributions. I've written personally to the following: smncrsk Martin Green user_4538 Roman Robert Duncan Dave Tracey NickF HendrikG Simon Proven of which only the last has

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st

2011-12-13 Thread David Earl
On 13/12/2011 21:38, 80n wrote: You've known for quite some time that non-CT content will ultimately get deleted. The original promise was that it requires a critical mass to proceed. According to the OSMF wiki there are fewer than three quarters agreeing, and some of the major countries

[OSM-talk] Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st

2011-12-13 Thread David Earl
On Tuesday, December 13, 2011, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Critical mass is there, at a ratio of more than a 100/1 and that is of the people who had to speak out their opinion. That's not the point. Since not making a decision is the same as declining for the purposes of data survival, deleting

Re: [Talk-GB] Project Drake - mapping the University of Cambridge

2011-12-07 Thread David Earl
On 06/12/2011 12:54, Stephen Gower wrote: On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 05:44:48PM +, David Earl wrote: I was appointed to the project from that [...] Congratulations! Thank you! and also published the tagging schema I'm working to ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge

[Talk-GB] Project Drake - mapping the University of Cambridge

2011-12-05 Thread David Earl
You may remember the announcement of the University of Cambridge's OpenStreetMap project back in July ( http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011-July/012067.html ). I was appointed to the project from that and I have now written up a bit about what I'm doing on my OSM diary (

Re: [OSM-talk] Map tiles in Chrome

2011-10-24 Thread David Earl
On 23/10/2011 20:03, Kai Krueger wrote: David Earl wrote: So what's going on? If the cache is empty, is the server really serving an old tile? Is there some proxying going on somewhere (there's no explicit proxies)? Why is it random which tiles update? Yes, there is a server side proxy

[OSM-talk] Map tiles in Chrome

2011-10-21 Thread David Earl
I'm very puzzled by Chrome's behaviour with respect to the main Mapnik map tiles. When I'm working on an area, it is very common for a tile not to visibly update after refreshing after uploading some changes. Some do, some don't, especially at high zoom levels When I do a status on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Map tiles in Chrome

2011-10-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/10/2011 15:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: This is unlikely to be the problem but just to be sure - you're not on any kind of 3G network or so? Because some of the mobile providers do all sorts of nasty things with images embedded in web sites and i wouldn't be surprised if that breaks map

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts and routing

2011-09-09 Thread David Earl
On Friday, 9 September 2011, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/8/2011 3:45 PM, David Earl wrote: The problem is exacerbated because many of these were done as a single one way which comes off the roundabout and then turns almost 180 deg. and rejoins roundabout. Example: http

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts and routing

2011-09-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/09/2011 11:00, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) wrote: David Earl wrote: In areas where it has been important for me (where I've been producing a high quality paper map), I have tagged these as junction=approach. The reason I needed such a tag was to avoid one way arrows cluttering up the map

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts and routing

2011-09-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/09/2011 12:09, David Earl wrote: algorithms if they could them as an exit when they aren't. If you didn't err, count them as... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Roundabouts and routing

2011-09-08 Thread David Earl
On 08/09/2011 20:27, Tom Hughes wrote: On 08/09/11 19:48, Thomas Davie wrote: 1) Don't tag sliproads onto roundabouts as junction=roundabout, instead use some other tagging scheme. Not greatly desirable because it involves a *whole* lot of retagging. Well who on earth is doing that? and why?

Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling

2011-09-08 Thread David Earl
On 08/09/2011 16:16, Matthias Meisser wrote: The @OpenStreetMap account has over 6000 followers (although a good number are certainly spam) and I would like to see a bit more posting than when there is a blog posting and the occasional retweet. So interesting press coverage or uses of OSM, etc.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees

2011-08-26 Thread David Earl
On 26/08/2011 11:33, Barnett, Phillip wrote: From the legislation guidance notes An individual is 'identified' if you have distinguished that individual from other members of a group. In most cases an individual's name together with some other information will be sufficient to identify them.

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/07/2011 10:23, Thomas Davie wrote: I don't think how they're sorted has anything to do with it, if every time the place name is written, it's written St Albans, even in official documentation of what the town is called, it's name is St Albans, simple as that. +1. And the same applies to

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread David Earl
In just doing some web searching, I came across this UK Government document... http://www.pcgn.org.uk/UK%20Toponymic%20Guidelines.pdf which has lots of references to OS lists of standards and conventions. While St Albans isn't big enough to feature in the list in this document, it does have

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/07/2011 11:58, John Smith wrote: On 27 July 2011 20:50, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: While St Albans isn't big enough to feature in the list in this document, it does have St. Helens (sic). Why the period? The district council's website The period after St. is the

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/07/2011 12:21, Paul Jaggard wrote: From: John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com The period after St. is the correct way in English to abbreviate Saint, where as the abbreviation of street doesn't have a period. Exactly the opposite according to my (Collins) dictionary: st abbrev. for short

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread David Earl
On 27/07/2011 14:38, John F. Eldredge wrote: That is the reason I feel that it would be best to store the fully-spelled-out name, and then apply localized rules to look up any abbreviations needed at rendering time. Using the full form to determine the abbreviation is much less ambiguous than

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/07/2011 11:26, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Earl wrote: Even then, to infringe database copyright under UK law you would have to copy a substantial part of the database. Checking or obtaining a few names against such a list isn't database copyright infringement Oh, absolutely

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/07/2011 12:28, Nick Austin wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:58 AM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: To take a different example, the Royal Mail (still) claims database copyright over the PAF (postcode address file) database. Would crowd sourcing the address vs postcode data

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