Re: [talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

I understand what you would like the mission statement to be. But right now, it's clear that we value ground truth. If our mission is to change that should be a wider discussion. I still don't see where the authority comes from to delete or revert a genuine ground feature that someone has

Re: [talk-au] Tagging towns by relative importance, not just population size

Aren't most places classified by the government authority as cities/villages/towns/localities/suburbs? Is it done by population currently? I didn't think so.. Ian. On Wed, 27 Sept 2023 at 14:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Have just raised this for discussion on both the Forum & Discord, so

Re: [talk-au] Dual naming in NSW

I think including a "slash" character in a name tag is really ugly. That's not the way that the GNB record them. Unless someone can find some information on the ground that records it that way? I understand the desire to not diminish either name when they are dual named, but I think it's wrong

Re: [talk-au] Why set coast line to nation park or administrative boundaries?

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 18:15, cleary wrote: > > My knowledge is limited to NSW as that is the state in which I have > previously made enquiries. Verbal descriptions of administrative boundaries > have not been used in recent years. Boundaries are now defined > geospatially, with the NSW

Re: [talk-au] What are the best practices for mass updating cycle paths?

I agree with Ben, and I'd be very surprised if the OSM map of the city cycleways wasn't far more accurate than that produced by CoS. Usually new facilities are updated within days. Ian. On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 at 10:52, Ben Kelley wrote: > Practically, using this data would be difficult I think. >

Re: [talk-au] Cycle tags on motorways

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 at 18:33, stevea wrote: > In the case of cycleway=lane, that IS paint, and I (and many others) map > these all the time. I see nothing wrong with “mapping paint” like this. > > As long as it's not a separate way. Paint can form a lane, but there should be no indication that

Re: [talk-au] Aboriginal languages

> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 08:21, Ian Sergeant wrote: > >> >>> >>> I don't see that mapping Nations is an option, I see it as almost >>> criminal that we don't already. >>> >> >> Surely the essential question to be asked here, is w

Re: [talk-au] Aboriginal languages

> > > > I don't see that mapping Nations is an option, I see it as almost criminal > that we don't already. > Surely the essential question to be asked here, is whether these boundaries fit into the OSM model, which is largely inspired by the ordinance survey, where every boundary can be placed

Re: [talk-au] Shoulder and cycle usage

Hi, Shoulders should always be tagged appropriately. Shoulders legally in Australia can be used by all bicycles - whether or not they have a bicycle stencil (painted bicycle sign) And a bicycle lane is legally indicated by a sign and not a stencil. Legally the stencil has no meaning at all.

Re: [talk-au] parking and bike lane

the motivation to try and let others know about the continuity of a cycle route. Thanks, Ian. On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 at 19:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 31/12/19 16:42, Ian Sergeant wrote: > > IMO clearly no. > > A router may even prefer to route around roundabou

Re: [talk-au] Jervis Bay Territory admin boundary

Hi, I know that there is a lot of water under the bridge - but I think I did much of this boundary after the great copyright expurgation.. The source I used for much of it was the actual defining legislation. You may want to consult that in your work. The LPI base map may well be better, and

Re: [talk-au] Adding polygons of the aerodromes

I'd say there is zero chance that any fixed wing aircraft have used that strip in the past year. It's closed to fixed wing craft, and it's absolutely not safe for use. If it is approved redevelopment (it's NPWS land, not council) it will likely be redeveloped with only a single paved runway. My

Re: [talk-au] local traffic only

What does "official" mean? It's official, in that the signs are placed by the local council. However they are not enforceable, because no law (regulation, etc) gives them a legal meaning. There is no definitive list of street signs that are advisory vs enforceable. But the RMS has a partial

Re: [talk-au] local traffic only

I agree the meaning of "discouraged" is what we need here. But motor vehicles are only discouraged if they aren't local traffic. Otherwise they are perfectly fine. So, I think the motor_vehicle:advisory=destination covers these two concepts, and is a better representation. Ian. On Fri, 8 Nov

Re: [talk-au] local traffic only

I disagree with this one 1. I'm pretty sure they are not intended to have any effect to cyclists and pedestrians. Who are generally encouraged to use these kinds of streets. I wouldn't like to think we're putting access restrictions that are going to cause walking/cycling routing issues. 2. I'm

Re: [talk-au] Discussion C: mapping on the street

I use Vespucci on Android. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.blau.android=en_AU In addition to being a fully capable editor, you can add notes, and see others notes at your location. Ian. On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 09:06, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

Re: [talk-au] Discussion of state regulation and planing issues for OSM

With regard to 4 & 5, I'd observe that even in it's anarchic form, OSM has been very successful in reflect these changes very quickly. Buildings and roads change during construction. Alignments of paths change and get corrected. So, I wouldn't necessarily conclude that there is something here

Re: [talk-au] Residential Poolside Building

In my view - the reason apple is mapping private tennis courts, is not because it actually sees a benefit in mapping peoples backyard, it's because it's using a level of automation that recognises them. For OSM it's nothing more than a colouring-in exercise. I agree with Andrew that marking a

Re: [talk-au] Proposed deletion of part of the Gwydir River

I'm with Andrew on this one. It sounds like your research is likely superior to any other recent survey done in the area, and we're not wikipedia here - we value ground truth / original research and it would be a shame it it couldn't be mirrored in the map. Personally, I'd change it to

Re: [talk-au] Caltex on name-suggestion-index

Strictly speaking, I don't think that's true. Some Caltex operated sites still branded as Woolworths Caltex, and offered the Woolworths facilities. You couldn't tell just by looking who owned what. Of course, now Woolworths has sold all its fuel outlets, and doesn't operate as a fuel retailer

Re: [talk-au] Aboriginal art sites

@openstreetmap.org, Graeme Fitzpatrick, Ian Sergeant Cc: OSM-Au I second that the elders wishes should be respected. With regards to documenting. One way would be to mark the local indigenous area/tribe/... And then outline in the wiki what should not be mapped in order to respect the wishes. I

Re: [talk-au] Existing OSM precedent | Re: Aboriginal art sites

in a public library, it may be sufficient to just have this as a guideline to mappers, and just add a thin layer of obscurity that seems sufficient to reduce the risk from the instagrammers, etc. If that's the aim. Ian. On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 19:39, Rory McCann wrote: > On 01/04/2019 12:27,

Re: [talk-au] Aboriginal art sites

How do we actually contact "local elders"? Where do we record their consent? What if they change their minds? Are we saying other mappers should delete these sites if they see them on the map? How do they know if approval was obtained? Or is this just intended as a guideline, and not be

Re: [talk-au] Question on how to fix this intersection

I agree there should be a better way, but I would solve this problem by bring the road split to the east of the the intersection in this case. The road divides on the eastern side of the intersection anyway. Then there will be no option but to continue straight. Ian. On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at

[talk-au] National Cycle Networks..

Hi, I've noticed over the past few years a National Cycle Network "creep" in Australia. Personally, I'm not sure that Australia has anything that would really count as a national cycleway network. This concept was developed in the UK and Europe where they really do have developed national

Re: [talk-au] Shared Zones

On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 at 16:13, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Oh I thought the Australian Tagging Guidelines were a document an Australian > could read and learn about all the tags for local features in the local > context and terminology. eg. Here's how to tag a school zone. There has been a fair bit

Re: [talk-au] Shared Zones

the OSM wiki .. > there should be some reference to it being a 'living_street' in OSM terms. > Perhaps it can go as well on the 'living_street' page as there is > already a German equivalent statement there. > > On 17/07/18 17:38, Ian Sergeant wrote: > > I don't see any reason

Re: [talk-au] Shared Zones

I don't see any reason to update the Australian tagging guidelines. There are no Australia specific arguments being made, or even Australian contributors to the discussion (apart from you). If that's the way that OSM moves, then let the general wiki get updated accordingly. Don't see any need to

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

On 19/05/18 11:38, Ian Sergeant wrote: > flow=ephemeral, maybe. water-presence=ephemeral? On 19 May 2018 at 11:44, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > 'ephemeral=yes' matches the present use of 'intermittent=yes'. I like at > least some consistency in the tagging. I t

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

On 19 May 2018 at 11:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some are using stream=ephemeral ... low usage. > I'd rather go with ephemeral=yes as that then can be used on 'lakes' and > other things. flow=ephemeral, maybe. water-presence=ephemeral? Ian.

Re: [talk-au] I have written a response to DNRM, please give feedback

We need the right form of words. I completely agree we should not rely on data.gov.au permission for any new datasets. However, I'm not sure we want words that would give someone justification to go down the redaction path for existing data sets. We were given permission by one arm of the

Re: [talk-au] I want to add a national park

Do we have permission for that data? On the face of it the licence is incompatible with OSM. Ian. On 16 October 2017 at 16:12, Paul Morton wrote: > OSM is missing the Leeuwin-Naturaliste National Park land use. I have > extracted a shapefile for the park from

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router

Hi, I'd suggest the easiest solution is just to change the wiki. Ian. On 1 September 2016 at 09:37, Nick Hocking wrote: > "My suggestion is that the map data is the best place to store that > information." > > Actually - the wiki page is very specific on this. > >

Re: [talk-au] Refreshing NSW place names from the GNB database.

Hi, What are you actually trying to achieve here? As I understand, the purpose of the original GNB update was slot in GNB names where OSM didn't already have coverage. If there is already a town/village/suburb/locality in OSM, and it is already well located, then there is no issue that I can

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Slack

On 30 Mar 2016 10:24 pm, "Dave F" wrote: > If there were a record, many IRC discussions wouldn't occur. It's often used by the weak/arrogant who are too scared/self-important to have their opinions verified & countered. This is a bit harsh. In my experience it's

Re: [talk-au] Removing tags from way 169174227 "Blue Mountains National Park"

Hi, To me it seems like you've addressed the issues comprehensively. I see no reason at all to keep the redundant way. It's just messy. If people want to see the history, or get a copy of the way, then that's easy enough to do - even after it's deleted. Ian. On 27 January 2016 at 11:16,

Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

On 25 January 2016 at 19:38, Ross wrote: > And the guess does not get fixed there are many locations where roads are > still on admin boundaries but the boundary is no long there (changes to > boundaries) or the road has moved but nobody comes back to correct it. To me

Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

On 25 January 2016 at 14:48, Ross wrote > How do you know it is the physical feature? > Just because it follows approximately the feature does not mean it is. When > originally gazetted the physical feature may have been located differently > (roads, railways realigned,

Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

On 25 January 2016 at 15:45, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I think in these cases it makes sense to share the boundary > (or better yet use a multiploygon relation where the river way is just > a member of the protected area relation). I always use multipolys for this.

[talk-au] gmail users suspended..

Hi, mailman seems to have just suspended all gmail subscribers from this list. Seems to have been response to gmail deciding to bounce some yahoo original emails. Anyway, for now I've turned off mailman bounce processing. But 50-odd members will have to reconfirm their membership. Thanks, Ian.

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Airport (mapped as both node and way)

On 1 October 2015 at 21:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/10/2015 4:50 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: > > I guess I was talking about navigating there by aircraft. > > A 'point' calculated for an aerodrome area would be good enough until you > had to select a runway

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Airport (mapped as both node and way)

ped, ideally with an entrance=main. Where would you put this > point at say Sydney where international and domestic are on opposite sides? > I think it's not the same as admin_center for admin boundaries. > On 01/10/2015 2:01 pm, "Ian Sergeant" <inas66+...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Airport (mapped as both node and way)

Certainly when navigating to an airport, you need a 'point' to navigate to. An calculation of a valid airport point from a airport boundary that may often include industrial parks, etc, is problematic - verging on intractable. Having this point 500m off significantly breaks stuff. It's a

Re: [talk-au] NSW NP tracks closed during total fire ban days

On 25 September 2015 at 09:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some tracks/paths in a NSW National Park now have signs up that say they > are closed during declared Total Fire Ban days. > > I have tagged these using > > opening_hours="Closed during Total Fire Ban days" > > I think I'll add

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 15 August 2015 at 00:12, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: As I have said before 'Delete' is something that should never happen on what has at some time been correct information. 'Archive' is the correct term and making that data available as required ... Delete is only appropriate

Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

On 30 July 2015 at 10:20, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: I have spoken with Parks Vic and they request that bike riders do not create additional trails and only use official trails. They would prefer if such unofficial trails were not mapped or named because it implies official status to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] README tag with editor support

Perhaps a nice objective tag, rather than README text. If a feature is new, add a start_date tag. The editor can then have options.. 1, Alert the user if the start date is more recent than the layers currently displayed. 2. Visually indicate if the start_date is within a configurable recency

Re: [talk-au] camp sites

On 3 May 2015 at 15:27, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever way it is cut there is a 'responsiblity', and I'd rather see the 'rules' and have the mapper make the choice from local knowledge rather than pass it to some remote person who can only judge it from a yes/no answer. I'm

Re: [talk-au] camp sites

On 3 May 2015 at 10:22, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: No possible, in any readable way, to render something like this. Either all the icons appear on top of each other or, most are discarded. And imagine just how many columns need be added to the render database. The proposed

Re: [talk-au] camp sites

Hi, My only observation would be that in Australia toilets and no water seems a very common combination at camp grounds. You know the kind of campground I'm talking about, with either drop toilets or unpotable water. It would probably be worthwhile making a call on the classification that

Re: [talk-au] StreetToTransit connections mass edit

I've noticed the same changeset, and most of it is nonsense, and isn't based on the actual connections. It isn't that it does no harm, because it introduces footway connections where none actually exist. I think the concept is good for stations that are well developed. Like some stations you

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

On 10 March 2015 at 08:30, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: These hazards exist for all kinds of traffic and not indicated on maps. Usually people are expected to be aware of their surroundings, not to rely on other aids as to what is visually obvious? :-\ The idea here is not to use it

Re: [talk-au] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

These two level keys work well, and I'd encourage everyone to use them where they fit and make sense. natural=water water=lake Gives a higher level primitive to those who aren't interested in the detail, and means you don't need to enumerate every possible type of water that can exist to give

Re: [talk-au] Question - names of motorways leaving Sydney

When these names were first gazetted they included the route number in the name. They corrected it in a subsequent gazette to just the names. I think that's the best and generally aligns with ground truth. Ian. On 7 Sep 2014, at 4:10 pm, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: When

Re: [talk-au] Sydney - Hornsby section of 'Pacific Highway' to revert to old name

On 27 June 2014 11:38, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: The Roads and Maritime Service (RMS) has moved the highway name and route to George Street and Jersey Road. So this means that those sections of George Street and Jersey Road need their names changed to 'Pacific Highway'. Assume their

Re: [talk-au] Highway=path Oz Tag Guideline

Whatever we do, let's do it globally. We shouldn't duplicate global content on the local tagging guidelines. It gets outdated. Let's just link to the global doco. Ian. On 4 Jun 2014, at 10:48 am, David Clark dbcl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: This is what I'd suggest is added to the

Re: [talk-au] Proposed Data import - Queensland, Australia: Peaks and Mountains

Hi, The overall import strategy looks good to me. I can, however, personally see absolutely no point in adding SRTM data to mountain elevations. None will be accurate. None will be official mountain heights. You could equally well add ele data to every single node in OSM using SRTM. If there

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

On 30 April 2014 00:10, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: The changeset is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22023461, does anyone have any comments about how it could be improved? Personally - 1. I wouldn't use the new source value ABS SSC_2011_AUST. I've used

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

On 30 Apr 2014, at 10:53 pm, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: Yeah, I noticed that last night. My inclination was to pretend it isn't a problem until the LPI comes around, then make everything align to that. :) I don't disagree that adjacent property boundaries should share ways, but

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

Admin_centre. On 30 Apr 2014, at 6:11 am, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I seem to remember there is a way to add the node to a relation so that it marks where the name should go for the boundary. - Ben ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

On 28 April 2014 14:23, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: So you are saying the ABS suburb boundaries should be checked individually rather than imported en mass? How do you know that the quality of the GNB/Wikipedia/etc data is any better than that of the ABS dataset where they disagree?

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

On 28 Apr 2014, at 10:48 pm, Michael Gratton m...@vee.ne So how accurate does it have to be? For example, I just downloaded Andrew's ABS OSM converted datafile (thanks Andrew!), loaded it into JOSM, and have been eyeballing the differences for the ABS version of Randwick with the LPI

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

On 29 April 2014 11:02, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: I’d prefer relations that depend on single ways, this avoids JOSM complaining too much about duplicate ways and can also tie into the definition in words that might belong in Wikipedia. Yes. I general I do too. However, we should

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

On 29 April 2014 12:56, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote: I have intentions of following the British structure for QLD boundaries (no permission to use this dataset yet). Boundary is the chosen type there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1464290 multipolygon, though, is winning

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

I don't really agree. I think we need suburb boundaries to be as accurate as we can make them at the time we create them, and not do a mass import leaving us with thousands of FIXMEs. Importing data we know is wrong at the time we import it is the wrong thing to do. I've created manysuburb

Re: [talk-au] Can I delete these suburbs

On 03/12/13 16:54, Alex Sims wrote: Are there any steps I should take before deleting them? Email the user? Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Bicentennial National Trail

On 30 November 2013 14:56, Mander Li mander...@yahoo.com.au wrote: No such problem. There is one and only one official route that walker, MTB and horse are able to take on; ie the existing 3 relations should be exactly the same. Cool. So obviously you have the right idea that they should be

Re: [talk-au] Bicentennial National Trail

Hi, It seems the point of the three relations is to identify which parts of the trail are accessible to which categories of users. How do you intend to encapsulate that info? What is the basis for splitting the trail into state sections, and putting three relations into another reln? I don't

Re: [talk-au] M31 at Holbrook

Hi Arthur, You may get a response here, but unfortunately only a small percentage of editors subscribe to the talk-au list. You may have better luck contacting a few people who have edited locally via OSM, and asking them to check on your work. Next time, you need to get a dashcam, to refresh

Re: [talk-au] loading JOSM

HI Brett, Remember that josm has its own repository for the latest version. So if you are running a ubuntu derivative, look at the instructions here http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Download#Ubuntu You can use the ubuntu tools, and keep your josm at the latest without having to do any copying

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting data

Hi, I think it is self-evident that correct data shouldn't be deleted from OSM. I'd be surprised if anyone actually disagrees with that. However, frequently as an editor I have to make decisions as to the correctness of data in the database. In the areas I work there is a lot of data that is

Re: [talk-au] vicmap data licensing

I see there are two ways we can approach this. One is to make the data available in OSM form. People can use information to trace/import to complete the map as they go about their daily mapping. Secondly, we can have a complete plan as to how we import bits that we know come from good sources

Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5

Hi, Whatever process we undertake will have large manual elements to integrate the datasets and keep them updated. Even if that is simply merging the datasets in josm. We need to get the vicmap data in a form that will have maximum utility to OSM mappers. Ian. On 12 October 2013 09:09, Li Xia

Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries

On 1 September 2013 09:34, Tony theoneintrain...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone have any issue with using this suburb boundary shape file for SA http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries ... Once I learn how to upload a shape file I will do it An import of this magnitude will obviously be

[talk-au] Bing alignment in Sydney

Hi, I've noticed that since (at least) June, Bing imagery appears to have shifted, across vast swathes of Sydney by about 2-3m to the north west. You can see the effect clearly where I mapped quite precisely from bing imagery as recently as june.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Which legislation applies: server or data location?

On 27 August 2013 12:04, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: Amidst hard questions in the Brazilian community, I've been wondering which copyright legislation should apply to OpenStreetMap's data (in the case of suspicious data imports): that of where the data is stored and

Re: [talk-au] Incorporating public information into OSM - Legal situation

On 20 August 2013 18:29, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Did they confirm with Geoscience that the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia is compatible with ODBL? This is one of the reservations that some of us had with changing to ODBL. Maybe. The issue for both licences is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Wikivoyage and licensing

Hi, In relation to data WV - OSM. Typically, the project has not wanted to accept coords from Wikipedia, because many of them are derived from sources seen as incompatible with OSM. I see any existing WV coords as just another level of indirection. As far as adding WV users adding new POIs

Re: [talk-au] Vicmap data released on data.gov.au

We should send an email to the data owner to seek permission under our contributor terms. I don't think there is any relationship between data.vic.gov.au and data.gov.au, so I don't see how any permission we have is relevant to this. Ian. On 8 July 2013 09:27, Nyall Dawson

Re: [talk-au] surface=unsealed in 4wd/dirt road tagging

On 3 July 2013 08:52, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Also a quick stat for you. 165,000 highways in Australia have a surface tag. 718,000 don't. Surprising stat. Especially considering paved is considered the default. it's no more burdensome to show all of [unsealed, unpaved,

Re: [talk-au] iPhone, XP Professional and JOSM

Hi, It is difficult to diagnose at a distance, but at a guess I'd say that when your connection drops there are some kind of routing or ip changes that need to occurring (new IP addresses or new gateway or something), and that the changes that windows needs to make aren't being done while an

[talk-au] surface=unsealed in 4wd/dirt road tagging

Hi, I know we had some discussion over 4wd/dirt road tagging. This ended up in the wiki as a recommendation to use surface=unsealed http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/surface=unsealed I really can't see a significant reason here not to stick with surface=unpaved

Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector

Hi Brett, The relation it appears OSMI is complaining about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3007272/history The relation that appears is there now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3018458/history Ian. On 26 June 2013 12:26, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au

Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector

Well OSMI takes a while to update sometimes. However the history of the relations tells us that the ways that made up the original relation were deleted, new ways were created and added to a new relation. This left an empty relation. The existing relation may or may not have had a bad geometry,

Re: [talk-au] Newcastle Inner Bypass - Motorway or not ?

On 1 June 2013 15:29, Nilbog_Aus OSM nilbog_aus_...@nilbogcave.com wrote: Not that I'm sure we should use it but I think they are usually gazetted by state government eg NSW http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ra199373/s48.html?stem=0synonyms=0query=Freeway

Re: [talk-au] Help checking out huts on the Overland Track

mountains and foot designated paths hang in. Oh and I be Ent. Mapped the area out in detail for our nine day walk. Once again thanks for the prompt response, much appreciated. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 01/06/2013, at 2:38 PM, Ian

Re: [talk-au] Newcastle Inner Bypass - Motorway or not ?

On 1 June 2013 09:29, Michael James m.ja...@internode.on.net wrote: There is a legal difference between a divided highway and a freeway in Australia, so if it is not actually called a freeway/motorway via signage then it really isn't one. Firstly, I'm a little sceptical of there actually

Re: [talk-au] Extraction tools (Was: Re: Talk-au Digest, Vol 71, Issue 26)

Osmosis does most of the heavy lifting. It will filter planet files by just about anything. There is also a perl script Frederik Ramm wrote (in svn) that calculates way distances. I'd like to say I wrote some kind of gee-whiz script, but I just threw the right arguments and scripts in a

Re: [talk-au] Newcastle Inner Bypass - Motorway or not ?

I just looked to see what Google and Whereis do. Whereis calls the Hume Highway the M31 throughout its length in NSW. Many of the actual 'A' sections are coloured as motorway. Google calls it the A31 to the border where it is actually the M31, but only seems to colour the actual RMS 'M'

Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au

Hi Daniel, The first step should be to find out if they are willing to have their data relicenced under our licence? CC-BY data is nice, and means that the data owner is likely only seeking attribution (which we do provide) but my understanding is that it is still insufficient for us to use

[talk-au] Australia licence change redaction recovery..

I crunched some numbers comparing AU planet extracts from today and prior to the redaction commencing. Although they were for my personal edification, I thought I'd share them. We have about 70,000 km of additional mapped unclassified and residential road now than we did before the redaction

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government

I think in parts of this discussion we are confusing grouping and categorisation of facts with subjectivity and information loss. For example, ski runs are categorised into Green/Blue/Black runs. A run may be classified as black if it exceeds a certain narrowness, or a certain roughness, or a

Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW

of this year. I know it takes me a while to get around to fixing something on OSM. Perhaps if you are keen then approach 2 is OK (and signage will catch up eventually). If you are lazy then 1 is the default. :) - Ben Kelley. On 10 May 2013 07:06, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government

On 10 May 2013 17:01, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: 3) There are decades of practice in cartography to learn from. We might as well go with existing practice in current 4WD maps. The standard distinctions seem to be something like 4WD/2WD/dirt/sealed, and sometimes one more

Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW

at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ian Sergeant) 2. Re: Alphanumeric references in NSW (Ben Kelley) 3. Re: Alphanumeric

Re: [talk-au] Gates and access

, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The seasonal tag exists, and is reasonably well used. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/seasonal#map However, I also agree with Andrew's note, that if you have detailed information on access, then the opening_hours syntax and conditional

Re: [talk-au] Gates and access

Hi, The seasonal tag exists, and is reasonable well used. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/seasonal#map However, I also agree with Andrew's note, that if you have detailed information on access, then the opening_hours syntax and conditional restrictions is quite expressive. Ian. On 7 May

Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW

ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I have seen a few A15 signs on the New England Highway, but there are still quite a few 43 and 15 signs along the route. The ground can still be a bit confusing. - Ben Kelley. On 3 May 2013 15:08, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've

Re: [talk-au] NSW Transport Data Exchange (TDX)

On 22 January 2013 23:17, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: While stop/station locations infrequently change, routes do seem to come and go more frequently. It wouldn't be too hard for someone to run a process on a server somewhere to keep tabs on changes in the feed and update the map as

Re: [talk-au] NSW Transport Data Exchange (TDX)

On 23 January 2013 09:31, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: There's no reason why using feeds such as the TDX is incompatible with individual user editing. From first-hand experience, even the PT agencies get their data wrong at times, and so the legion-with-smartphones out there is still

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