Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning

2023-02-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 11.02.23 18:41 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit I wholeheartedly support this proposal, thank you for your work! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: Board now requires imports list (in)compatibility with OSM CT (& will work on a template)

2022-11-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 29.11.22 16:38 Dave F wrote: If it's a licence change by OSM then how can a maintainer of a database possibly account for a future, unspecified change who's implementation was out of their control? Yes, it's about a license change by OSM. I don't think it's outlandish to assume that at

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: Board now requires imports list (in)compatibility with OSM CT (& will work on a template)

2022-11-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 29.11.22 08:14 Simon Poole wrote: The main question is what "expect it to survive a hypothetical license change" implies. My expectation is that because of practical considerations any future licence would require downstream attribution of OSM so that the OSMF can continue to offer third

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: Board now requires imports list (in)compatibility with OSM CT (& will work on a template)

2022-11-29 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 29.11.22 03:57 Minh Nguyen wrote: Could you clarify the "perhaps" here? If something has been explicitly dedicated to the public domain via CC0, a similar statement, or a relevant law, should it not survive any relicensing attempt? Or is this just about the editorial decision of whether to

Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: Board now requires imports list (in)compatibility with OSM CT (& will work on a template)

2022-11-28 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 28.11.22 at Simon Poole wrote: What is "OSM Contributor Terms compatibility" supposed to be? Ok, this is clearly imprecise wording.¹ The context is that we would like to offer data donors a standard legal text that they can use to make their data available to OSM in such a way that we

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: Two new extensions for the wiki: Log in via openstreetmap.org and vote via a GUI

2022-10-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 13.10.22 11:47 Martin Fischer wrote: I wrote two small MediaWiki extensions for wiki.openstreetmap.org: one to let you log in via your OSM account and one to provide an easy to use in-wiki GUI for proposal voting. Awesome work, I like both of these and hope they make it onto the OSM wiki!

[Talk-de] Kandidatur für den OSMF-Vorstand

2020-12-04 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hallo zusammen, morgen beginnen die diesjährigen Vorstandswahlen¹ der OSM Foundation, und wie einige von euch schon wissen, habe mich entschieden, noch einmal anzutreten. Ich bin ja jetzt seit zwei Jahren Vorstandsmitglied. Nicht alle Ideen, die ich bei meiner letzten Wahl hatte, waren im

Re: [OSM-talk] reddit AMA with some OSMF Board members. 15:00Z 9 Nov

2020-11-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
nd of course, the offer to submit questions by direct message still stands: On 29.10.20 22:58, Tobias Knerr wrote: > * Spanholz, the user who has been most active in organizing this AMA, > has already offered to post questions on behalf of other people. So > you can send in your questions witho

Re: [OSM-talk] reddit AMA with some OSMF Board members. 15:00Z 9 Nov

2020-10-29 Thread Tobias Knerr
I've been considering the downsides of using a proprietary channel when I was invited to participate. My thinking is: * The questions and answers are publicly visible. (Yes, Reddit may nag you sign up or install their app – close that noise.) * Spanholz, the user who has been most active in

Re: [OSM-talk] M$ Flightsimulator

2020-08-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 31.08.20 15:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/08/28/players-are-fixing-microsoft-flight-simulators-missing-monuments-with-google-maps/ > > is there a way to import this data back to OpenStreetMap? Given that they're using Google Maps, I doubt it. But I do

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing all signposts from relations

2020-07-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 25.07.20 18:14, pangoSE wrote: > Recently it was discussed whether to have signposts in route relations. > I suggest we delete them from all relations by running a script. > I se no loss of information It loses the information whether or not a route is signed at a particular signpost. Because,

Re: [OSM-talk] Could/should editors detect/disallow huge changeset bboxes?

2020-06-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 12.06.20 13:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I wonder if it would be feasible or desirable for editors to warn users > if they are at risk of creating country/world-spanning changesets. It would certainly be a improvement for day-to-day work. The root of the issue, though, is that bounding boxes

Re: [Talk-de] Massenweise Entfernung von oneway=no

2020-05-24 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 22.05.20 15:15, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Ich persoenlich setze routinemaessig oneway=no um anzuzeigen, dass ich > geprueft habe, dass die Strasse keine Einbahnstrasse ist. In Verbindung mit > dem Aenderungsdatum ist das nuetzlich in Gegenden, wo Strassenrichtungen > haeufig von den Behoerden

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge area construction

2020-05-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 05.05.20 22:24, Jack Armstrong wrote: > man_made=construction > construction=bridge > layer=1 The =construction + construction= tagging is only really common for highway, building and railway tags (where it sticks around for historic reasons, in my impression). Other tags are more likely to

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's talk Attribution

2020-04-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hi Alexandre, it's true that too many projects using OSM do not provide the required attribution. However, I'm surprised that you got reactions of "this is fine" for some of the more egregious examples you mention in your email. While individual mappers will of course hold a wide range of

[Talk-de] Dienste für virtuelle OSM-Stammtische

2020-04-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
Viele OSM-Stammtische finden derzeit wegen der Corona-Pandemie nicht statt. Es gibt aber Alternativen! Einige Gruppen haben schon erste virtuelle Treffen erfolgreich durchgeführt. Wer noch auf der Suche nach geeigneten Diensten dafür ist, findet hier ein paar von uns getestete Vorschläge: *

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 17.04.20 15:33, Mario Frasca wrote: > On 17/04/2020 04:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> What about removing [the trailing "contributors" from the © >> attribution], so that the required credit becomes "© OpenStreetMap" >> (it could also be © OpenStreetMapFoundation, but maybe "© >>

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 17.04.20 11:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > What about removing this, so that the required credit becomes "© > OpenStreetMap" Yes, crediting © OpenStreetMap with the appropriate link would be a good solution. Aside from being more concise, it's a lot less awkward in a non-English or

Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

2020-04-17 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 17.04.20 11:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > What about removing this, so that the required credit becomes "© > OpenStreetMap" Yes, crediting © OpenStreetMap with the appropriate link would be a good solution. Aside from being more concise, it's a lot less awkward in a non-English or

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM 2020 - Move to virtual conference

2020-03-26 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 26.03.20 14:45, Christine Karch wrote: > the deadline ended a month ago. At the moment it is not planned to call > for additional submissions. SotM usually offers numerous slots for Lightning Talks. Will that be the case with this virtual conference as well? Spontaneous LT submissions might be

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

2020-03-19 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 19.03.20 17:54, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: > So - why are authoritative data sets an unwelcome addition? At its core, OSM is a platform for collaboratively editing geodata. So the following would be strong reasons not to import a dataset: - other mappers should not edit it (because the

Re: [OSM-talk] 3D OSM with terrain

2020-03-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hi Nick, On 06.03.20 18:13, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Anyway, I was wondering if there was any active development on > open-source 3D OSM renderers with terrain? among the open source options, at least the Blender plugin blender-osm² and the OSM2World renderer have terrain support. As maintainer

Re: [OSM-talk] Microgrants call for committee

2020-03-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hi all, reminder that the call for microgrants committee members is about to close soon. We would still welcome additional applications! On 16.02.20 12:06, Joost Schouppe wrote: > Send your application to join the Microgrants Committee to > microgra...@osmfoundation.org by March 8th. If you

Re: [Talk-de] Datenqualität open data NRW und OSM

2020-03-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 06.03.20 12:42, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 11:30:53AM +0100, Otto Dassau wrote: >> * Könnten/Dürften die Daten NRW genutzt werden, um die OSM Daten >> flächendeckend z.B. für NRW zu optimieren? > > Am Ende nein. Gucken darfst du, aber übernehmen nicht. Vor ein paar

Re: [OSM-talk] Regarding GSoC 2020

2020-02-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 26.01.20 14:02, Gollavilli Srikanth wrote: > [...] I would love to contribute to OpenStreetMap > in Google Summer of Code 2020. Thanks for your interest! At the moment, the OSM community is still preparing for GSoC by collecting project ideas and potential mentors. So for now, you can keep an

Re: [Talk-de] Entfernen des "WikiProject"-Präfixes

2019-08-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 18.08.19 18:44, dcapillae wrote: > I would like to change the name of the wiki pages related to the Germany > mapping project to remove the "Wikiproject" prefix according to the > pages name conventions [1]. Sure, I'd be happy to see the pages renamed. Thanks for all the time you spend on wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 09.08.19 16:35, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I wonder if we could perhaps get rid of the "Contributors" mention > altogether. This idea makes a lot of sense. Especially as both the guideline draft and the current FAQ already allow this "if space is limited": > Because OpenStreetMap is its

Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution guideline status update

2019-08-09 Thread Tobias Knerr
Thank you for your work! I believe that clearly documenting our expectations is a very important step towards solving the current problems surrounding attribution. It will help well-intentioned data users to avoid accidentally messing up OSM attribution, and it leaves fewer excuses for the less

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

2019-08-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hi Marc, On 07.08.19 16:53, marc marc wrote: > where are the results of the previous survey and the resulting actions > available? there were two surveys run by the OSMF in the past months. One was the survey in advance of the board's face to face meeting in Brussels. We summarized these survey

Re: [OSM-talk] Removing "Wikiproject" prefix from place pages

2019-07-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
I'm in favour of dropping the "WikiProject" prefix from page titles. It's been mildly bothering me for a while, but the amount of manual effort involved has stopped me from doing anything about it so far. Thanks to Daniel for being willing to tackle this! The Talk:Wiki page and the Wiki subforum

Re: [OSM-talk] Reordering and rewriting Good Practice wiki page

2019-07-04 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 04.07.19 05:53, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > 2 Verifiability (+Map what's on the ground, Don't map: historic > events, temporary features, local legislation etc) In my opinion, the practices that you've turned into subheadings of the verifiability section are not merely special cases of

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikibase items instead of usual templates for wiki pages?

2019-06-09 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 09.06.19 13:59, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Has this wikibase feature been discussed and approved by the community > in some forum? Perhaps it happened before I was involved with OSM? I > don't quite understand how it works. The way it works is that every tag has a "data item". This is the one

Re: [OSM-talk] An Archive namespace for the OSM wiki?

2019-04-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 21.04.19 07:44, Yves wrote: > Is there a way to decrease the rank of some pages in the search results > in MediaWiki? The possibility of increasing/decreasing the priority of certain search results based on templates is being discussed at the moment as part of this topic:

Re: [OSM-talk] An Archive namespace for the OSM wiki?

2019-04-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.04.19 09:24, Jochen Topf wrote: > So as always you have to look at each case. If a page contains content > that is still useful for our current world, keep it. But if something is > merely interesting for historical reasons then it can be deleted. And > yes, there is a gray area there, but

Re: [Talk-de] Besorgt über den iD-Editor

2019-04-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 29.03.19 15:32, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Zugleich > äussern sich die Entwickler gern auch mal geringschätzend über das Wiki > oder Tagging-Diskussionen und nehmen sich eben das Privileg heraus, neue > Features einfach einzubauen, die sie gut finden Das scheint die herrschende Einstellung zu

Re: [OSM-talk] Questionnaire

2019-03-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 23.03.19 12:05, John Whelan wrote: > You posted the same message in the HOT mailing list. The same message was also sent to personal mail addresses of OSM contributors yesterday, presumably scraped from mailing list archives. Additionally, it was posted to several other lists on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - elimination of osmarender:nameDirection - blatant tagging for the renderer

2019-03-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 15.03.19 21:13, Simon Poole wrote: > Why would we want to create new versions of objects just to remove a tag > that is not hurting anybody in any way? Mostly for the reason which Mateusz has mentioned in his response: Keeping obsolete tagging around for years or decades adds to the burden of

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: Adressmapping auf Building-Relationen oder Outline

2019-03-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 10.03.19 19:20, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Eigenschaften, die das ganze Gebäude betreffen, sollten daher auf dem > Gebäudeumring liegen, der auch ohne 3D-Mapping da wäre. Also auch die > Adresse. Ja, solche Relationen werten normalerweise nur 3D-Renderer aus. Die Informationen, die auch andere

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 28.02.19 23:35, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > The policy, introduced with the changeover to the ODbL, says: > > "We require that you use the credit “© OpenStreetMap contributors”... > For a browsable electronic map, the credit should appear in the corner > of the map." As you seem to remember

Re: [OSM-talk] Bot edits on the OSM wiki

2019-02-24 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 24.02.19 20:18, Christoph Hormann wrote: > I mainly wanted to make everyone who is not active on the wiki aware of > this. For the benefit of people who don't know the background, it's worth mentioning that these bot edits did not distort the actual meaning of the wiki pages, but were purely

Re: [Talk-de] Experimentelles Öffnungszeiten-Webtool

2019-02-19 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 19.02.19 09:24, Stefan Keller wrote: > Fernziel ist u.a., den Tag "opening_hours:url" zu verwenden, um den > dort verlinkten Webinhalt in opening_hours zu wandeln. Finde ich eine spannende Vision, denn so könnten Änderungen bei den Öffnungszeiten viel schneller entdeckt werden. Für OSM ist

[Talk-de] Kandidatur für den OSMF-Vorstand

2018-11-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hallo zusammen, ich habe dieses Wochenende erfahren, dass Peda (Peter Barth) aus dem Vorstand der OSMF ausscheiden und nicht erneut kandidieren wird. Peda hat aus meiner Sicht einiges erreicht, was das reibungslose Funktionieren unseres Projekts, die Transparenz der Arbeit des Boards (z.B. durch

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 23.09.2018 17:07, Christoph Hormann wrote: > If you'd now impose > technical constraints preventing mappers from documenting things that > do not match a certain ideal of structure would you would effectively > make the wiki unsuitable for its primary application and mappers would > need to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 23.09.2018 14:05, Michael Reichert wrote: > Currently, the search of the wiki is not really useful any more. Indeed, the search field is pretty much broken at the moment. However, this has been brought up on the wiki talk page, and Yuri said he was looking for a fix. So I think it's safe to

Re: [Talk-de] Relation für Gebäude

2018-09-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 18.09.2018, 16:21, schrieb Benedikt Bastin: > Gibt es abseits des Zugehörigkeitsproblems noch weitere Sachen, die gegen > eine solche Relation sprechen? Im Allgemeinen tendiert der Konsens in der Community dahin, Relationen nur dort zu verwenden, wo sie notwendig sind. Aus diesem Grund ist

Re: [OSM-talk] Need some help regarding GSOC

2018-09-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hello Vasu, thank you for your interest in participating in Google Summer of Code at OpenStreetMap! On 13.09.2018 20:30, vasu dev Singh wrote: > I want > to do a project with OpenStreetMap but I don’t know how to start. One trait we're looking for in GSoC students is familiarity with the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Barrier=block areas

2018-08-16 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 15.08.2018 20:49, Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > Currently, barrier=block is not allowed to be mapped as an area. As > blocks can be big enough to map them as areas, I think it should be > allowed, the same as in barrier=wall or barrier=hedge. For routing purposes, barriers are usually connected to

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

2018-08-08 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 08.08.2018 12:49, Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > Due to our rules, that we shouldn't have 2 active tagging > schemes for the same feature These tagging schemes are for 2 different real-world features: * roads/paths (i.e. linear features with a direction) * plazas/squares (i.e. open areas where people

[Talk-de] building:levels, Altbau/Neubau

2018-07-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 22.07.2018 17:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:> wenn man building:levels erfasst - das ist ja doch ein bisschen > einfacher als eine echte Höhenmessung - macht es ja einen ziemlichen > Unterschied, ob man es mit einem Altbau-Stadthaus mit 3,50m hohen > Stockwerken zu tun hat oder mit einem Neubau mit

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 03.07.2018 10:28, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Don't forget that new FIXMEs will continue to appear all the time. They will, but at a lower rate. Mappers often look at existing tagging to find out how things should be tagged. This is further reinforced by tools such as JOSM's autocompletion. Thus, I

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving building=building to building=yes

2018-06-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 08.06.2018 19:19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > building=building is an unexpected way to mark building without > specifying its type and therefore retagging this duplicate to > building=yes would improve tagging without any information loss. I'm in favour of proceeding with the proposed

Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - Feedback and ideas wanted

2018-05-19 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hi Tim, On 16.05.2018 10:16, Tim Frey wrote: > I like the Wikipedia and in special the Wikivoyage direction also. Does > somebody know the best touchpoints to get in contact with the community > there? I'm not familiar enough with their communities to give a recommendation. However, Commons does

Re: [OSM-talk] Open sourcing of POI pictures for OSM App/STAPPZ - Feedback and ideas wanted

2018-05-15 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hi Tim, On 11.05.2018 17:19, Tim Frey wrote: > Out of this, we consider, heavily, to “open source” the licensing of the > user created STAPPZ content for the OSM community. In addition, we also > consider to open source the backend of STAPPZ and the IOS and Android > app to make a community

Re: [OSM-talk] [Diversity-talk] How do you mapping gender neutral toilets? What should the unisex tag mean?

2018-04-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 25.04.2018 15:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Unisex=yes is defined as a shortcut for male=yes + female=yes This may be a stupid question, but where are you all getting this definition from? I assumed the key already had the meaning that Rory is suggesting here. And at least on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sidewalk symmetry

2018-04-24 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 24.04.2018 02:17, Clifford Snow wrote: > But if you want > someone to use the data, then map it as separate ways.  That's not the case, and it's a bit frustrating to read this just after I wrote a mail explaining this point. To reiterate: * With separate ways, we don't know which road section

Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

2018-04-24 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 24.04.2018 19:23, Paul Norman wrote: > It is sometimes recommended that when you add a name in another language > you also indicate the name in the local language by adding a suitable > name:* tag at the same time. For example, if adding "name:fr=Londres" to > London, you would also add

[OSM-talk] Sidewalk symmetry

2018-04-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 18.04.2018 05:03, Andrew Harvey wrote: > highway, surface, maxspeed, maxweight, maxheight, width, oneway, access, > lanes, turn:lanes, lit, parking:lane:left, parking:lane:right, > parking:condition:left, parking:condition:right,parking:lane:left:type, > parking:lane:right:type, etc. The

Re: [OSM-talk] How to teach novices about optimal changeset size?

2018-01-17 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 17.01.2018 18:47, Rory McCann wrote: > Users want to save/upload frequently (because computers), so we'll never > stop them pressing the button often. But we could give them more than one button. There's "save", and then there's "upload/commit/publish". The two actions are distinct, and part

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

2018-01-13 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 13.01.2018 11:02, joost schouppe wrote: > - a reviewer in OSMcha can adapt the message to his own personal message > or an ad hoc message [...] > - a reviewer can choose to not send a message if they feel like they're > spamming Those would be steps in the right direction, but I wonder why

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically generated changeset discussion comments by OSMCha

2018-01-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 12.01.2018 15:39, Andy Townsend wrote: > More seriously, any automatic use of OSM messages is problematical > because it devalues the messages that we want people to actually read - > the ones that are composed by and sent be a human, and have actual > useful information in them I agree. Right

Re: [Talk-de] routing.openstreetmap.de

2017-12-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 31.12.2017 10:25, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Die drei im vorliegenden Fall vorhandenen einschraenkenden > tags beziehen sich ausschliesslich auf motorisierte Fahrzeuge; daher sollte > der Router Fussgaenger, Radfahrer und Reiter durchlassen. Der Schlüssel access bezieht sich keineswegs nur auf

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Proposals: An OSM Echo Chamber?

2017-12-04 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hi Roland, On 04.12.2017 09:42, Roland Olbricht wrote: > We recently had an experienced and productive community member, Ilya, > putting a lot of time in a Wiki Proposal just to see the whole process > fail. there's an important distinction here: It's Ilya's proposal that has failed (for now at

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-31 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 31.10.2017 07:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:> one tag for what? An area with trees? A forest? How would you define> "forest"? One tag that can be used for mapping both the things currently mapped as landuse=forest, and the things currently mapped as natural=wood. Whether that is a tag for

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

2017-10-29 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 28.10.2017 12:06, Andrew Hain wrote: > His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net > negative value. I have to disagree here. He's probably the single most active wiki contributor, and is also performing a lot of useful maintenance work that no one else would bother doing.

Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-10-29 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 27.10.2017 00:49, Dave F wrote: > The woods/forest problem is one of the worst tagging cock-ups in OSM. Indeed. The current mess is especially disappointing because it hasn't always been that way: The status quo is the result of an attempt to "improve" the tagging years ago. From my point of

Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

2017-09-22 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 21.09.2017 19:45, PanierAvide wrote: > http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/ This may be controversial, but I don't think a guide for people considering to contribute to OSM should send them away to Mapillary. They aren't part of OSM proper and arguably compete with us for volunteer time.

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

2017-09-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.09.2017 17:02, Christoph Hormann wrote: > It is best to regard the wikidata and wikipedia tags in OSM as 'related > features' rather than identical objects. We shouldn't dilute the definition of the key because some incorrect links exist in the database. If there's no 1:1 relationship

[Talk-de] Nutzung von building:part durch Mentz GmbH

2017-06-15 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hallo zusammen, mir ist aufgefallen, dass Mentz beim Bahnhofsmapping eine inkompatible Interpretation des Schlüssels building:part gewählt hat. Dieser kommt bei Mentz für Indoor-Elemente wie Aufzüge, die nicht unbedingt einen Einfluss auf die äußere Form eines Gebäudes haben, oder auch für

[Talk-de] OSM-Events auf der FOSSGIS 2017

2017-02-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hallo zusammen, lang ist's ja nicht mehr hin bis zur FOSSGIS in Passau. Daher zunächst mal die Erinnerung: Denkt daran, euch unter http://fossgis-konferenz.de/2017/anmeldung/ anzumelden! Wie ihr vielleicht schon gehört habt, wird es auf der FOSSGIS dieses Jahr zwei OSM-spezifische Events

Re: [Talk-at] FOSSGIS 2017 - CfP endet HEUTE

2017-01-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
Zur Erinnerung: *Heute* endet die Vortragseinreichung für die FOSSGIS-Konferenz 2017 in Passau. Verlängern können wir die Frist diesmal leider nicht, also reicht schnell noch eure Ideen ein! Besonders aus Österreich vermissen wir noch Einreichungen, zumal die Konferenz doch quasi in eurem

Re: [Talk-de] Bitte HEUTE Vorträge einreichen für die FOSSGIS-Konferenz

2017-01-06 Thread Tobias Knerr
Zur Erinnerung: *Heute* endet die Vortragseinreichung für die FOSSGIS-Konferenz 2017 in Passau. Verlängern können wir die Frist diesmal leider nicht, also reicht schnell noch eure Ideen ein! https://www.fossgis-konferenz.de/2017/callforpapers/ Falls euch die Zeit nicht mehr ganz reicht,

Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-10-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 21.09.2016 01:33, Matthijs Melissen wrote: I added it to the infobox as osmcarto-rendering. It is currently only used in the supermarket page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dsupermarket Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but I don't feel it's great to give special

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Use of data from the Malaysian government Open Data portal

2016-03-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hello, On 2016-03-07, Jangan Kacau wrote: > Recently, the data portal has released a list of route reference > numbers, which can be accessed from the link: > http://data.gov.my/view.php?view=921 > and I would like to use it to update OSM. Section 3 could

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Programme und Code

2016-03-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 01.03.2016 10:59, schrieb Markus: > Was verwendest Du? wieso? Meine bevorzugte Lizenz, gerade für kleinere Sachen, ist die CC0. Ich bin generell ein Fan der "ganz freien" Lizenzen, weil ich möchte, dass möglichst viele andere Entwickler meine Software als Grundlage nutzen können und sich

Re: [Talk-at] Filialen von Dayli und Schlecker

2016-02-21 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 20.02.2016 18:42, schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: > On 20.02.2016 14:27, Markus Mayr wrote: >> Dem "shop=vacant" stehe ich skeptisch gegenüber. > > Ich nicht. Wir mappen, was da ist. Ein leeres Verkaufslokal ist nicht > , sondern ein leeres Verkaufslokal. Ein leeres Verkauflokal ist aber kein

Re: [Talk-de] Treppen und Handläufe

2015-12-19 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 15.12.2015 21:53, schrieb Thorsten Alge: > kennt Ihr noch andere OSM-basierte Dienste als > http://openls.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/wheelchair-test/ , welche die Tags > highway=steps und handrail[:left|:right]=yes auswerten? OSM2World wertet diese Tags aus. Allerdings sind die Handläufe zu klein,

Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit Bahnhofsmapping von MentzDV

2015-09-02 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hallo Roland, danke für deine Reaktion. Ich finde allerdings, du machst es dir da zu leicht. Mit Weiterpflegen (aka Hinterherputzen) am Passauer Bahnhof ist das Grundproblem nicht gelöst. Viele Fehler bei eurem Mapping sind systematisch, und treten eben nicht nur in Passau auf. Zumindest die

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

2015-08-22 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.08.2015 10:09, Christoph Hormann wrote If you think a different styling than what is currently proposed would be better it would be best to show it. It's hardly fair to expect critics of the suggested new style to easily come up with alternatives. For one, the effort in question was

Re: [Talk-at] Adressdaten BEV

2015-07-26 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 20.07.2015 15:07, schrieb Thomas Rupprecht: Wie es aussieht hat das BEV jetzt auch die Adressdaten für Österreich veröffentlicht. Ich bin noch im Kontakt mit dem BEV ob wir eine exlusiv Nutzung bzw doppel Lizenzierung mit ODbL für die Verwaltungsgrenzen und Adressdaten bekommen. Wenn

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Wiki-Übersetzung Griechisch?

2015-07-15 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 15.07.2015 23:16, schrieb rza31: Hallo, bei https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_Translation ist unter Andere Sprachen Griechisch nicht aufgeführt. Sollte man dies nicht ergänzen? Ein roter Link für Griechisch (Ελληνικά) ist dort doch vorhanden? Oder meinst du, dass jemand eine

Re: [OSM-talk] 3D help needed

2015-07-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Hi, On 06.07.2015 00:29, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: I'm in touch with a person that added many buildings in Iceland as 3D models in Google Earth some years ago. You can find many of them there if you type in Kvosin into Google Earth - they look really good. that would be a valuable

Re: [OSM-talk] Layers and landuse

2015-06-28 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 27.06.2015 11:19, michael spreng wrote: This is not a tagging error. It is an error. Only the underground part of the ditch should have layer=-1, and it needs to also have a tunnel tag. As for landuse, such areas are typically non-physical, and as such not easily inserted into the layer

Re: [OSM-talk] Mappers and apps should focus on relations at the very start

2015-06-27 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 27.06.2015 18:58, Fernando Trebien wrote: When this notion of grouping is presented at the very beginning, I believe people will easily understand it for all of the advanced scenarios The notion of grouping would at least be more intuitive the common relationship between things, which is

Re: [Talk-de] waterway=riverbank

2015-05-30 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 29.05.2015 06:25, schrieb Markus: Das würde ein weltweites Tagging-Schema zerstören... Wer weiss Genaueres? Das geht auf ein erfolgreiches Proposal von 2011 zurück: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_details ___ Talk-de

Re: [Talk-at] Kleingartenvereine

2015-05-15 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 14.05.2015 17:46, schrieb Wolfgang Schreiter: Dazu gibt es noch mehrere Beispiele, z.B. FF (Freiwillige Feuerwehr), VS (Volksschule), HS (Hauptschule). Es stellt sich grundsätzlich die Frage, ob solche Abkürzungen in Namen verwendet werden sollten. Die Frage wird generell beantwortet mit:

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-09 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 09.05.2015 10:08, Christoph Hormann wrote: The problem is not exclusively Xxzme's attitude but also the combination with the dominance of his/her/their edits due to the large amount of energy and time spent. I fully agree with that. Xxzme is not the first wiki user who has tried to push

Re: [Talk-de] unpraktisches Nominatim-Ergebnis

2015-05-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 02.05.2015 21:43, schrieb Christian H. Bruhn: Ich habe gestern auf openstreetmap.org nach Wildpark Eekholt gesucht. Da gab es mehrere Suchergebnisse. Das erste war http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2414231380 , welches ein Straßenschild ist. So eine braune Tafel, welche an Autobahnen auf

Re: [Talk-at] Tagging der abgeholzten Waldflächen

2015-04-26 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 26.04.2015 17:09, schrieb Stefan Tauner: Ja, das folgt aus der Definition von landuse=forest, denn dieses Tagging bezeichnet ganz allgemein wirtschaftlich genutzte Waldgebiete... was auch abgeholzte Flächen miteinschließt. Das stimmt so nicht (mehr). Früher stand landuse=forest tatsächlich

Re: [OSM-talk] Sidewalks

2015-04-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 25.04.2015 11:29, wrote Roland Olbricht: A sidewalk (or bike lane) shall be mapped as a separate way only if a pedestrian cannot cross the car lanes at any point, i.e. there are fences or grass strip between footway and the car lanes. Uh, the example in the other thread was a fence. Grass

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposal - automate rendering examples on OSM wiki

2015-04-04 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.03.2015 22:19, Jochen Topf wrote: I think the important part is doing the rendering, deciding on zoom levels and all this. This is going to be some work and will need some time. Wouldn't it make sense to leave that responsibility to the projects, similar to the decentralized generation of

Re: [Talk-de] Taginfo-Challenge

2015-03-14 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 14.03.2015 13:59, Andreas Goss wrote: Da ich letztes mal noch keine Antwort bekommen hatte, wie sieht es mit case sensitive key aus? Spielt das für die Datenbank eine Rolle, also sollten alle key klein sein? Oder ist es egal, dann wäre es gut wenn Taginfo das da einfach ignoriert. Die

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 25.02.2015 02:58, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: It is apparent that a number of imports have left tens of thousands of fixme notes that have a low chance of ever getting addressed. Pick your favorite from the lists above: set␣better␣denotation is my mine. That's from a mechanical edit that should

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Travel Channel + OSM

2015-02-25 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 25.02.2015 09:51, Simon Poole wrote: http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/License#How_should_I_attribute_you.3F covers video, as outlined there they don't have to show attribution on screen the whole time, doing something when a/the map is first shown would likely be enough. Who is behind these

Re: [Talk-de] heise berichtet ueber osm.org-Routing integration

2015-02-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 18.02.2015 12:09, schrieb Alexander Lehner: ... wenngleich auch etwas kritisch: ... und nicht ganz richtig: anonyme Korrekturen oder Hinweise akzeptiert OpenStreetMap nicht. Trotzdem sehr schön, dass uns das neue Routing-Feature ordentlich Aufmerksamkeit bringt. Sind schon etliche Artikel

Re: [Talk-de] Update of german Aral petrol stations

2015-02-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 12.02.2015 14:41, schrieb Sven Geggus: Wie bitte? Wenn es dieses Problem wirklich gäbe, dann hätten es alle Daten, die derzeit in der Datenbank sind ebenfalls, denn auch bei diesen Daten ist eine Re-Lizensierung nicht möglich. Bei allen von Hand eingetragenen Daten hat der Urheber (= der

Re: [Talk-de] Update of german Aral petrol stations

2015-02-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 11.02.2015 18:28, schrieb Michael Reichert: Ich persönlich denke, dass die ODbL als Lizenz für eine Import nicht ausreichend ist. Was passiert, wenn sich die Zweidrittelmehrheit der aktiven Mapper nach Artikel 3 der Contributor Terms für eine neue Lizenz entscheidet?

Re: [Talk-de] mehrere Häuser mit gemeinsamen Dach

2015-02-04 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 03.02.2015 23:49, schrieb Holger Jeromin: Jetzt habe ich doch noch roof:shape=side_hipped [1] entdeckt. Scheint für einfachere Fälle zu funktionieren. Oder eine Linie als roof:ridge quer rüber eintragen. Es müssten 3 Linien mit gemeinsamen Knoten mit den Gebäuderändern sein. Gemeinsame

Re: [Talk-de] cycleway=track bei Bordstein Trennung

2014-12-16 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 16.12.2014 13:05, schrieb Wolfgang Hinsch: Damit der Renderer erkennen kann, dass die extra-Fußwege an die Straße gehören und er sich somit die (für den Maßstab) passendere Variante aussuchen kann, sollten es eine street-Relation geben, in der alle Linien, die zur gleichen Straße

Re: [Talk-de] Abbiegespuren mit Fahrradspur

2014-12-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 07.12.2014 19:19, schrieb Martin Vonwald: * Können auch Parkspuren und Gehsteige in die lane-Liste eingebaut werden? Wenn ja, wie? Parkspuren theoretisch ja, auch wenn ich kein Freund davon bin. Gehsteige würde ich nein sagen, da es ja keine Spuren für irgendwas sind. Bei Gehsteigen

Re: [Talk-de] Abbiegespuren mit Fahrradspur

2014-12-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 05.12.2014 13:19, schrieb Martin Vonwald: Vom Prinzip her ist bicycle:lanes=...|designated|... und cycleway:lanes=|lane| identisch. Welche Variante besser ist, kann ich sagen. Ich tendiere eher zu bicycle:lanes, da es konsistent mit der Angabe anderer access-Beschränkungen wäre,

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