Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF Elections - We need representatives that can represent and respect the diversity of OSM, maintain his dynamism
Sorry about this, I had it right the first time. Translation problems. In french, the Foundation comes first. As you said, I refer to the OSM Foundation, OSMF :) Pierre De : Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mardi 1 décembre 2015 15h44 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF Elections - We need representatives that can represent and respect the diversity of OSM, maintain his dynamism Pierre, FOSM is the fork of OSM that was created when we changed the license and a group of people didn't like it. What you are talking about is OSMF ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF Elections - We need representatives that can represent and respect the diversity of OSM, maintain his dynamism
Pierre, FOSM is the fork of OSM that was created when we changed the license and a group of people didn't like it. What you are talking about is OSMF ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 08/26/11 07:07, Mike Dupont wrote: If you want to sponsor me a membership than I am willing to speak. I would like to see a rule that says: The yearly membership fee is X. If you would like to be a member of OSMF but cannot afford to pay X, and if you find Y existing OSMF members who say that your contribution has been valuable (with Y somewhere in the area of 3), then you can join free of charge. Note that this would require you to say I cannot afford X. Saying I have already put enough work in this and while I could easily spend X I don't see why I should wouldn't cut it. On second thought in follow up to my previous mail, This might be appliciable for some of our new editors from kosovo, many of them dont have the money for memberships and they dont have access to paypal etc. you should consider to sponsor some of them, altin and besfort, ardian, others could really use some sponsorship. thanks, mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 08/26/11 07:07, Mike Dupont wrote: If you want to sponsor me a membership than I am willing to speak. I don't think it would be received well if either an existing board member or the OSMF as a whole were to sponsor membership for selected people ;) So what? Who cares if it's not received well? There's absolutely nothing wrong with someone sponsoring membership for someone else, be that someone another member, a board member, a corporation, a non-profit, or whatever. Why would there be? OSMF as a whole sponsoring membership might be a problem if it wasn't agreed upon by OSMF as a whole (directly or indirectly), and/or especially if it was done for reasons other than the best interest of OSMF as a whole. But board members don't have to act within the best interest of OSMF as a whole every time they give a gift to anyone! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: But board members don't have to act within the best interest of OSMF as a whole every time they give a gift to anyone! Anthony, can you expand on this, or was it a typo? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: But board members don't have to act within the best interest of OSMF as a whole every time they give a gift to anyone! Anthony, can you expand on this, or was it a typo? I can't find a typo. By give a gift I meant give a gift from one's personal resources. (I didn't mean that they can spend *OSMF* money for personal reasons!) Does that clarify things? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: But board members don't have to act within the best interest of OSMF as a whole every time they give a gift to anyone! Anthony, can you expand on this, or was it a typo? I can't find a typo. By give a gift I meant give a gift from one's personal resources. (I didn't mean that they can spend *OSMF* money for personal reasons!) Does that clarify things? yes, this clarifies the gift, but still I think that board members indeed do have to act within the best interest of OSMF and OSM as a whole (whatever this is, asuming good faith). IMHO if you are a board member you can't act as a private individual when it comes to stuff concerning the OSMF. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: But board members don't have to act within the best interest of OSMF as a whole every time they give a gift to anyone! Anthony, can you expand on this, or was it a typo? I can't find a typo. By give a gift I meant give a gift from one's personal resources. (I didn't mean that they can spend *OSMF* money for personal reasons!) Does that clarify things? yes, this clarifies the gift, but still I think that board members indeed do have to act within the best interest of OSMF and OSM as a whole (whatever this is, asuming good faith). All the time? IMHO if you are a board member you can't act as a private individual when it comes to stuff concerning the OSMF. Do you have a basis for that opinion? concerning the OSMF is awfully broad, as is act as a private individual. Are you really suggesting that a board member is acting other than as a private individual when s/he does something which affects the OSMF? Is a board member acting as an agent of the OSMF every time s/he edits OSM, or throws a mapping party, or lets someone borrow his computer in order to edit, or drives someone to SOTM? Or is there something else this board member is acting as, other than as a private individual or as an agent of the OSMF? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: yes, this clarifies the gift, but still I think that board members indeed do have to act within the best interest of OSMF and OSM as a whole (whatever this is, asuming good faith). All the time? of course, as long as they are a board member and maybe in some concerns also for the time after. IMHO if you are a board member you can't act as a private individual when it comes to stuff concerning the OSMF. concerning the OSMF is awfully broad, as is act as a private individual. Are you really suggesting that a board member is acting other than as a private individual when s/he does something which affects the OSMF? how can you state the opposite? Of course they keep beeing individuals (and btw. are working unpaid in their spare time so maybe some kind of private could also be interpreted, I am not a native speaker), but they are at the same time representatives of the OSMF. Is a board member acting as an agent of the OSMF every time s/he edits OSM, not sure if this matters, as OSMF declared not to deal with mapping/tagging besides copyright infringement or throws a mapping party , or lets someone borrow his computer in order to edit, or drives someone to SOTM? I'd say yes, but doesn't matter either Or is there something else this board member is acting as, other than as a private individual or as an agent of the OSMF? what do you suggest? Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: yes, this clarifies the gift, but still I think that board members indeed do have to act within the best interest of OSMF and OSM as a whole (whatever this is, asuming good faith). All the time? of course, as long as they are a board member and maybe in some concerns also for the time after. I'm not sure why you say of course. I would have thought the answer was of course not. What is your basis for this? IMHO if you are a board member you can't act as a private individual when it comes to stuff concerning the OSMF. concerning the OSMF is awfully broad, as is act as a private individual. Are you really suggesting that a board member is acting other than as a private individual when s/he does something which affects the OSMF? how can you state the opposite? I haven't stated the opposite. Is a board member acting as an agent of the OSMF every time s/he edits OSM, not sure if this matters, as OSMF declared not to deal with mapping/tagging besides copyright infringement It matters because if it is not true, then it disputes your humble opinion which you gave earlier. or throws a mapping party , or lets someone borrow his computer in order to edit, or drives someone to SOTM? I'd say yes, but doesn't matter either It certainly matters. For one thing, OSMF is liable for the actions of people who are acting as their agents. For instance, if, while acting as an agent of the OSMF while driving someone to SOTM, that board member got into a car accident, the injured parties could sue OSMF. That said Or is there something else this board member is acting as, other than as a private individual or as an agent of the OSMF? what do you suggest? I'm not suggesting anything with regard to that question. As for the obligations of board members, while they are generally not allowed to act in a way which harms the organization of which they are a board member, and are not allowed to *use, for personal purposes, confidential information* which they obtained via their status as a board member, they are under absolutely no obligation to act in the best interests of the board in everything they do! That would be absurd. Furthermore, *even if they were* obligated to act in the best interests of the board in everything they do, that *still* would not imply that they aren't allowed to sponsor the membership applications of selected individuals, i.e. give them money with which to apply for membership. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: As for the obligations of board members, while they are generally not allowed to act in a way which harms the organization of which they are a board member, and are not allowed to *use, for personal purposes, confidential information* which they obtained via their status as a board member, they are under absolutely no obligation to act in the best interests of the [strikethrough]board[/strikethrough] [organization] in everything they do! That would be absurd. Really, I'm not sure how you can even make that claim, unless you haven't thought about what it means. When a board member eats dinner, should the board member consider whether eating a cheeseburger or salad is in the best interests of OSMF, given their relative prices and health effects? After all, that decision *will* affect OSMF, both in terms of how much money the board member is able to donate (*), and in terms of the life expectancy of the board member. (*) Presumably, if they are obligated to always act in the best interests of the OSMF, then they should be donating every spare penny which isn't needed for sustaining their life. Yes, this is absurd. But saying that board members must always act in the best interest of the organization on which they serve, is absurd. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: absurd. Really, I'm not sure how you can even make that claim, unless you haven't thought about what it means. When a board member eats dinner, should the board member consider whether eating a cheeseburger or salad is in the best interests of OSMF, given their relative prices and health effects? After all, that decision *will* affect OSMF, both in terms of how much money the board member is able to donate (*), and in terms of the life expectancy of the board member. absurd. you name it. Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: absurd. Really, I'm not sure how you can even make that claim, unless you haven't thought about what it means. When a board member eats dinner, should the board member consider whether eating a cheeseburger or salad is in the best interests of OSMF, given their relative prices and health effects? After all, that decision *will* affect OSMF, both in terms of how much money the board member is able to donate (*), and in terms of the life expectancy of the board member. absurd. you name it. So you agree with me? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: As for the obligations of board members, while they are generally not allowed to act in a way which harms the organization of which they are a board member, and are not allowed to *use, for personal purposes, confidential information* which they obtained via their status as a board member happy to see that we agree to this. This was actually about board members paying membership fees to others as private individuals, not about them drinking a beer in the pub or driving to SOTM. Furthermore, *even if they were* obligated to act in the best interests of the board in everything they do, that *still* would not imply that they aren't allowed to sponsor the membership applications of selected individuals, i.e. give them money with which to apply for membership. I think this really depends on the case. If a board member paid as a private individual membership fees for lots people, and those people voted then in his sense in OSMF votings this would clearly be a breach (at least of good faith). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: As for the obligations of board members, while they are generally not allowed to act in a way which harms the organization of which they are a board member, and are not allowed to *use, for personal purposes, confidential information* which they obtained via their status as a board member happy to see that we agree to this. This was actually about board members paying membership fees to others as private individuals, not about them drinking a beer in the pub or driving to SOTM. I assume you mean paying membership fees *for* others. I see that as quite analogous to driving others to SOTM. Maybe paying for someone else's bus ticket to get to SOTM would be more analogous? Furthermore, *even if they were* obligated to act in the best interests of the board in everything they do, that *still* would not imply that they aren't allowed to sponsor the membership applications of selected individuals, i.e. give them money with which to apply for membership. I think this really depends on the case. If a board member paid as a private individual membership fees for lots people, and those people voted then in his sense in OSMF votings this would clearly be a breach (at least of good faith). How so? It suggests that there *may* have been an act of vote-buying, but it's not *clear* that there was one. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/26 Anthony o...@inbox.org: As for the obligations of board members, while they are generally not allowed to act in a way which harms the organization of which they are a board member, and are not allowed to *use, for personal purposes, confidential information* which they obtained via their status as a board member happy to see that we agree to this. This was actually about board members paying membership fees to others as private individuals, not about them drinking a beer in the pub or driving to SOTM. I assume you mean paying membership fees *for* others. I see that as quite analogous to driving others to SOTM. Maybe paying for someone else's bus ticket to get to SOTM would be more analogous? I am able to pay for my membership, but I normally dont spend money on membership because I spend so much time on things. I am willing to serve on the board if we find a way to pay for my membership, and if we are in that mood, we can also ask for membership for my kosovo team, if someone wants to donate some money. Anyway, maybe what we need is some push for a communal seat that has one vote and represents all of the people who are contributors. that would be my suggestion. mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
Am 26.08.2011 10:59, schrieb Frederik Ramm: I would like to see a rule that says: [...] in my first thoughts this sounds as a good idea in my point of view. Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
Well, I cannot run for election because I am not a paying member. I have spend a lot of time and money working on osm kosovo and I dont see why I should sink more money into this. If my contributions do not warrant a membership then I see this as not for me. We organized three conferences and charged no entry fee, flossk.org charges no membership fees. I guess I see things totally different than you do. If you want to sponsor me a membership than I am willing to speak. Otherwise, what I really want Is a server account to use some CPU for my programs, I have enjoy being given some server resources on the osm servers. mike On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com wrote: Just so you all know: - You can expect an announcement for the AGM this weekend (or sooner) - If you are / have been OSMF member you will get a mail with details whether you're eligible to vote. Also this weekend. - If you haven't had a mail by Sunday evening, and you think you are member of OSMF, please send a mail to membership at osmfoundation dot org Cheers, Henk acting Secretary OSMF On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Monday 15 August 2011 15:31:54 Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/08/11 15:30, Richard Weait wrote: So if you have been thinking about standing for election to the OSMF board, if you have issues that you would like to see discussed by candidates, if you have suggestions and requests for those involved, now is a good time to start putting things in order. It is also a good time for anybody wishing to be able to participate in the election to ensure that their membership is paid up. DO NOT ASSUME THAT THE OSMF WILL REMIND YOU TO PAY I speak from bitter experience having had my vote invalidated last year as it turned out my membership had expired and I had not been invited to pay for another year. I know I wasn't the only one who suffered from that problem last year, and it seems destined to be repeated this year as my membership lapsed again about three weeks ago without any reminder being issued. Tom I got got a reminder this week that it lapsed a year ago. You're just asking too speedy a service ;) -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
Hi Richard, Is how many positions are open and which positions available? Thanks, Kate On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: In prior years the elections were held at an AGM with proxy votes by email for those not able to attend. Last year, the OSMF board election was held at SotM - Girona, with the same proxy votes by email. this was seen as an improvement and will be the method used this year as well. We're coming up on SotM Denver. It's less than a month away now. Which means that the official notification of the AGM and board election will be coming up soon. If I remember correctly the AGM was held at lunch in Girona. That may well be the case in Denver, too. So if you have been thinking about standing for election to the OSMF board, if you have issues that you would like to see discussed by candidates, if you have suggestions and requests for those involved, now is a good time to start putting things in order. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hi Richard, Is how many positions are open and which positions available? I've not seen any information on that yet. Based on the 1/3 per year, I expect 2 or three spots to be up for election. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On 14/08/11 15:30, Richard Weait wrote: So if you have been thinking about standing for election to the OSMF board, if you have issues that you would like to see discussed by candidates, if you have suggestions and requests for those involved, now is a good time to start putting things in order. It is also a good time for anybody wishing to be able to participate in the election to ensure that their membership is paid up. DO NOT ASSUME THAT THE OSMF WILL REMIND YOU TO PAY I speak from bitter experience having had my vote invalidated last year as it turned out my membership had expired and I had not been invited to pay for another year. I know I wasn't the only one who suffered from that problem last year, and it seems destined to be repeated this year as my membership lapsed again about three weeks ago without any reminder being issued. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
On Monday 15 August 2011 15:31:54 Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/08/11 15:30, Richard Weait wrote: So if you have been thinking about standing for election to the OSMF board, if you have issues that you would like to see discussed by candidates, if you have suggestions and requests for those involved, now is a good time to start putting things in order. It is also a good time for anybody wishing to be able to participate in the election to ensure that their membership is paid up. DO NOT ASSUME THAT THE OSMF WILL REMIND YOU TO PAY I speak from bitter experience having had my vote invalidated last year as it turned out my membership had expired and I had not been invited to pay for another year. I know I wasn't the only one who suffered from that problem last year, and it seems destined to be repeated this year as my membership lapsed again about three weeks ago without any reminder being issued. Tom I got got a reminder this week that it lapsed a year ago. You're just asking too speedy a service ;) -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
I would encourage everyone to have a think about running for the board and look to what you can contribute. Be aware when thinking about it that we have a lot of work to do and meet frequently. That might impact your work and social life, it's not a ceremonial role, just ask Henk :-) The upside is that you're deeply involved with one aspect of helping things move along in the project, but you don't get a window seat. Steve On 8/15/2011 3:27 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: Hi Richard, Is how many positions are open and which positions available? Thanks, Kate On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Richard Weaitrich...@weait.com wrote: In prior years the elections were held at an AGM with proxy votes by email for those not able to attend. Last year, the OSMF board election was held at SotM - Girona, with the same proxy votes by email. this was seen as an improvement and will be the method used this year as well. We're coming up on SotM Denver. It's less than a month away now. Which means that the official notification of the AGM and board election will be coming up soon. If I remember correctly the AGM was held at lunch in Girona. That may well be the case in Denver, too. So if you have been thinking about standing for election to the OSMF board, if you have issues that you would like to see discussed by candidates, if you have suggestions and requests for those involved, now is a good time to start putting things in order. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSMF elections
In prior years the elections were held at an AGM with proxy votes by email for those not able to attend. Last year, the OSMF board election was held at SotM - Girona, with the same proxy votes by email. this was seen as an improvement and will be the method used this year as well. We're coming up on SotM Denver. It's less than a month away now. Which means that the official notification of the AGM and board election will be coming up soon. If I remember correctly the AGM was held at lunch in Girona. That may well be the case in Denver, too. So if you have been thinking about standing for election to the OSMF board, if you have issues that you would like to see discussed by candidates, if you have suggestions and requests for those involved, now is a good time to start putting things in order. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections
I would like to run, on the platform of decentralizing the infrastructure and opening things up a bit. mike On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: In prior years the elections were held at an AGM with proxy votes by email for those not able to attend. Last year, the OSMF board election was held at SotM - Girona, with the same proxy votes by email. this was seen as an improvement and will be the method used this year as well. We're coming up on SotM Denver. It's less than a month away now. Which means that the official notification of the AGM and board election will be coming up soon. If I remember correctly the AGM was held at lunch in Girona. That may well be the case in Denver, too. So if you have been thinking about standing for election to the OSMF board, if you have issues that you would like to see discussed by candidates, if you have suggestions and requests for those involved, now is a good time to start putting things in order. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
