Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

On 26 September 2016 at 11:11, SK53 wrote: > The second most useful thing would be for people to add postcodes in OSM. We > have, I think, somewhere between 5 & 10% of postcodes in OSM. Very roughly > we doubled the number of postcodes in the past 3 years, which if continued

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

On 25/09/16 21:34, Gervase Markham wrote: > The end result is that I still can't type UK postcodes into Nominatim, > the main OSM search engine, and depend on getting useful results back. The maintainers of Nominatim have kindly explained what would be needed to finally fix this:

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

> Dealing with postcodes is done by Nominatim. Perhaps people might like to consider contributing to the code base to make this possible (see for instance ). Thanks for the pointer. I didn't realise it was an open issue with them. Regards, *Paul*

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

Dealing with postcodes is done by Nominatim. Perhaps people might like to consider contributing to the code base to make this possible (see for instance ). The Irish community run their own Nominatim instance which: a) is easier to maintain as the

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

In the light of recent talk about postcode coverage, I've started mapping with postal_code the highways that front groups of buildings known to have the same postcode. However, that's in turn led me to notice that OSM still uses NPEMap as a reference for postcode searches. Given that NPEMap

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

I just re-read a post I wrote nearly 3 years ago. I think a lot of it holds true today, so I've copied the main points here : 1. The simplest, but not necessarily the easiest target, is to map at least one

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

It looks like the next UK Quarterly Project will be based on improving address data for town centres using the food hygiene dataset. Why don't we have a push generally on postcodes too, not limiting it to town centres? Regards Brian On 26 September 2016 at 11:25, David Woolley

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

On 26/09/16 10:19, Owen Boswarva wrote: That could be done but it's not straightforward; you'll get a lot of overlapping postcode sectors and sectors with non-contiguous parts. GeoLytix produced an open dataset like that some time ago: http://blog.geolytix.net/tag/postcode-boundaries/ In my

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

As far as I know Nominatim contains a copy of either the CodePoint Open or ONS postcodes in a table called gb_postcode (see here on github). Here's a search

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

On 25/09/16 23:24, Chris Hill wrote: > Postcodes don't apply to a road, they apply to a collection of delivery > points. Many, many roads have multiple postcodes Reply on phone went to wrong place ;) If we have buildings on a road, then the postcode goes on every building, but I still think that

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

ONS's National Statistics Postcode Lookup (NSPL) includes postcodes for the Isle of Man and Channel Islands, but without geographic coordinates. http://geoportal.statistics.gov.uk/datasets?q=National+Statistics+Postcode+Lookup_by=relevance Owen On 26 September 2016 at 09:55, Christian Ledermann

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

That could be done but it's not straightforward; you'll get a lot of overlapping postcode sectors and sectors with non-contiguous parts. GeoLytix produced an open dataset like that some time ago: http://blog.geolytix.net/tag/postcode-boundaries/ Owen On 26 September 2016 at 09:39, Colin Smale

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

On 26/09/16 09:39, Chris Hill wrote: > Please do not add postcode centroids to the map. They are not real, do > not exist and do not belong in the OSM DB. Just so we know, what is your view of the correct way for OSM search engines to allow searching on postcode data from around the world? Do you

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

I'm wondering if this FAQ is still up to date, which notes that the postcodes were computed in October 2012 and haven't been updated since. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/FAQ#My_postcode_is_missing.2Fwrong_but_I.27ve_fixed_it_in_the_OSM_data._What_is_wrong.3F There are many

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

OS Codepoint also does not include the postcodes for the Isle of Man and the channel islands. Is there an open data source for theses postcodes? On 26 September 2016 at 09:01, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 25/09/16 21:47, Owen Boswarva wrote: >> I can't see any reason why

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

How about deriving polygons for the postcode sector level (XX9 9) from the centroid point cloud, and adding the polygons to OSM? I don't know how many that would give, but it would be a whole lot less than 500k and still at a very usable level. //colin On 2016-09-26 10:01, Gervase Markham

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

On 25/09/16 21:47, Owen Boswarva wrote: > I can't see any reason why there should be a problem using Code-Point > Open in OSM, now that Ordnance Survey has applied the Open Government > Licence in place of its own licence. If you read further down, the wiki > page gives examples of OSM projects

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

The £20 million was helpful but the real deal was the PSMA, which killed off the embryonic commercial competition for OS overnight. Cheers, Chris (chillly) On 25 September 2016 22:41:37 BST, Owen Boswarva wrote: >Government agreed to pay Ordnance Survey £20 million

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

Postcodes don't apply to a road, they apply to a collection of delivery points. Many, many roads have multiple postcodes. Some buildings have multiple postcodes. See my postcode page: http://codepoint.raggedred.net Cheers (chillly) On 25 September 2016 22:52:27 BST, Lester Caine

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

Another OS OpenData dataset, OS Open Names, supports association of postcode centroids with road names. https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/products/os-open-names.html Owen On 25 September 2016 at 22:52, Lester Caine wrote: > On 25/09/16 21:34, Gervase

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

On 25/09/16 21:34, Gervase Markham wrote: > Does this not bother anyone else? It is just me? If it bothers lots of > people, why did those projects shut and why does no-one appear to be > doing anything about it? I kind of feel I must have missed something big > as this has seemed like an enormous

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

Government agreed to pay Ordnance Survey £20 million per annum for the OS OpenData package, including Code-Point Open. The contract is here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/os_opendata_agreement_with_ordna_2#incoming-498165 I can't see any obvious reason why Royal Mail would oppose a

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

GB postcodes are published under a compatible licence by the Office of National Statistics. The confusion over the Codepoint Open licence has been resolved as it is now released under a suitable licence too. Northern Ireland does not release its postcodes under any open licence. Cheers, Chris

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

Has the Ordnance Survey Northern Ireland (OSNI) followed the lead regarding Open Government Licencing? Last time I checked the Royal Mail still claimed copyright over postcodes and addresses in Northern Ireland. Something I find totally disgusting. On Sunday, 25 September 2016 21:47:57 BST

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

I can't see any reason why there should be a problem using Code-Point Open in OSM, now that Ordnance Survey has applied the Open Government Licence in place of its own licence. If you read further down, the wiki page gives examples of OSM projects that use Code-Point Open. Owen On 25 September

[Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

I hope this isn't a silly question, but: it seems like all the projects to free the UK postcode database (like npemap and freethepostcode) closed down five or more years ago when the OS release CodePoint Open. However, this data set is not suitable for use in OSM, according to:

[Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

When we did a comprehensive analysis a few years back 75% of UK postcodes lie in a single street 'block' so they are on one side of a street between intersections. A further 20% are in only two blocks, so they either cover two sides of a street or span an intersection. The remaining 5% are

Re: [Talk-GB] UK postcodes on each side of the road

Lester Caine lester@... writes: and in this case, the street and other location data can be provided by tags on a street rather than duplicating that data unnecessarily on every building ... Surely that’s what associatedStreet relations are for. -- Andrew

Re: [Talk-GB] UK postcodes on each side of the road

Does Nominatim already supports associatedStreet relations to pick up the postcode ? When I tried it 8 months ago, it just used it to find a street segment (the first one in the relation). It then took the name of that street segment as the street name for the address. regards m. On Mon, May

Re: [Talk-GB] UK postcodes on each side of the road

On 19/05/14 08:06, Marc Gemis wrote: and in this case, the street and other location data can be provided by tags on a street rather than duplicating that data unnecessarily on every building ... Surely that’s what associatedStreet relations are for. Does Nominatim

Re: [Talk-GB] UK postcodes on each side of the road

from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/FAQ quote Why doesn't Nominatim process addr:* tags on buildings[edit] For performance reasons buildings (and other low level features) are not fully indexed, but are instead simply inherit from their parent street. As such many addr:* tags

Re: [Talk-GB] UK postcodes on each side of the road

On 19/05/14 08:57, Marc Gemis wrote: from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim/FAQ quote Why doesn't Nominatim process addr:* tags on buildings[edit] For performance reasons buildings (and other low level features) are not fully indexed, but are instead simply inherit from their parent

[Talk-GB] UK postcodes on each side of the road

Hi all, In my area the council does a handy thing: they mark postcodes on the lampposts. So I've been noting them down for mapping. However, it's a curse as well as a blessing... Of course lampposts are not identical with segments-of-streets, nor with building-addresses, so it's rarely clear

Re: [Talk-GB] UK postcodes on each side of the road

On 18/05/14 15:22, Dan S wrote: Of course lampposts are not identical with segments-of-streets, nor with building-addresses, so it's rarely clear where to draw the boundaries. But my main problem is that they often indicate different postcodes on each side of the road. Firstly, is that normal?

Re: [Talk-GB] UK postcodes on each side of the road

On 18/05/14 15:33, Tom Hughes wrote: It's quite normal, yes. My street has three postcodes. One covers both sides for about one third of the length and the other two each cover one side for the other two thirds. Postcodes are part of an address and belong to a building, not a street, so that

[Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

Hi, I was wondering if there were any updates / progress on UK Postcodes. I have seen that the Land Registry Price Paid data is partially available on the 'Postcode finder website', but don't seem to be able to contact 'Milliams' to see if any updates will be released (I'm probably looking

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

On 29 July 2013 13:15, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there were any updates / progress on UK Postcodes. I have seen that the Land Registry Price Paid data is partially available on the 'Postcode finder website', but don't seem to be able to contact

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

Matt, Thanks for the very good news. Regards Nick (Tallguy) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

[resending as my original reply was inadvertently off-list] On 31 August 2012 12:12, Andrew Mackenzie a.macken...@bethere.co.uk wrote: there is another approach, which is to download the data for all companies in the UK from Companies House. There may be other (open-) databases which include

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

I'd agree with Rob's logic and extend it to show one of three results: postcode missing or postcode incomplete or postcode incorrect. We have loads of addresses with only the first group in place e.g B27 and I'm sure when we were using codepoint( before we knew it was dodgy in licensing terms) we

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

) . whether the property is new build or not . whether the property is freehold or leasehold. Cheers Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 August 2012 08:27 To: Rob Nickerson; talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

-westmidlands *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source I'd agree with Rob's logic and extend it to show one of three results: postcode missing or postcode incomplete or postcode incorrect. We have loads of addresses with only the first group in place e.g B27

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/public/information/public-data/price-paid-dat a -Original Message- From: Big Fat Frog [mailto:bigfatfro...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 August 2012 10:11 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

Message- From: Big Fat Frog [mailto:bigfatfro...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 August 2012 10:11 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source Have I missed something? What datasource are you referring to here

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

Mackenzie [mailto:a.macken...@bethere.co.uk] Sent: 31 August 2012 11:13 To: Andy Robinson Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source Hi all there is another approach, which is to download the data for all

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

On 27 August 2012 23:18, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Please correct me if I am wrong, but to the best of my understanding we are still struggling to find a good source of postcode data under an open licence. From what I understand the CodePoint data set is

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

On 28 August 2012 00:44, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: What I have in my mind is to grab each months data release from land registry (thus building up a good database of address + postcode), and then have some tool to visualise where we can match OSM addresses (without

Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source

Hi Rob, Postcodes are a bit more complicated. Postcodes are a series of points, not a single point, as based on CodePoint data. I would not like to see a raw import of the CodePoint Open data as it is just the centroids of the postcodes, instead the postcodes need to be attached to specific