Hello Roger!
On Friday, December 16, 2005, 1:32 AM, you wrote:
ST I don't have time to read all messages about the Draft folder. I
ST don't understand why creation of a virtual folder cannot work
ST for you?
MP I haven't followed the discussion at all (and don't use the
MP latest beta yet), but
Hello Dwight,
Drafts has hourglass icon, finished letters dont have.
if they are parked, what do they have?
Parked means draft, draft has hourglass.
--
Vili
The Bat 3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2
Current beta is
Hello Charlene,
Why would anyone want to send the same mail twice in an automated
routine?
Hint: Because the recipient did not get the first copy?
And why then does one have to automate this? It still is an exception
that email doen't work.
Ok, I see, why you think I am that hard
Hello Stefan,
if they are parked, what do they have?
Parking and draft are synonyms in Outbox. It's the same flag.
That is what I am talking about, too. It is PARKED because it is
DRAFT.
--
Vili
The Bat 3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2
Hello Dwight,
if they are parked, what do they have?
Parking and draft are synonyms in Outbox. It's the same flag.
I understand that, but I was hoping that Vili would finally have to
admit that it was so and that he understood that as well.
I DO admit that parked mails and draft mails
Hello MAU,
We at Ritlabs care for our users and want to protect you ('stupid'
user) from inadvertently copying messages to the Outbox and unwillingly
sending them out. For this reason we have made a big development effort
using state of the art technology and we have included in our latest
Hello Stefan,
Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 11:22:43 PM, you wrote:
ST I don't have time to read all messages about the Draft folder. I don't
ST understand why creation of a virtual folder cannot work for you?
I haven't followed the discussion at all (and don't use the latest beta yet),
but
Hello Vili,
We at Ritlabs care for our users and want to protect you ('stupid'
user) from inadvertently copying messages to the Outbox and unwillingly
sending them out. For this reason we have made a big development effort
using state of the art technology and we have included in our latest
On Thursday, December 15, 2005, 3:13:59 AM, Vili wrote:
I DO admit that parked mails and draft mails use the same flag.
well, finally. I thought the only thing you were going to notice in
this whole conversation was the tone you criticized in MAU's note to
Stefan
--
Dwight A. Corrin
928 S
Hello Dwight,
I DO admit that parked mails and draft mails use the same flag.
well, finally.
I never said, that they are marked differently. What I am saying is:
WHY IS IT IMPORTANT that only one kind of flagging is used??? What
difference two kind of flag would make?
You dont want to send
Hi all,
As a supporter of the idea of the implementation of a draft folder,
I will add :
For me distinguishing parked messages from drafted ones is not so easy
because it is a matter of flags and as you remember perhaps I'm blind
and my screen reader does not handle graphical symbols easily
Hello Claude!
On Thursday, December 15, 2005, 2:39 PM, you wrote:
As a supporter of the idea of the implementation of a draft folder,
I will add :
For me distinguishing parked messages from drafted ones is not so easy
because it is a matter of flags and as you remember perhaps I'm blind
Hello Mark,
On Thursday, December 15, 2005, 11:05:52 AM, among other things, you wrote:
MP Hello Stefan,
MP Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 11:22:43 PM, you wrote:
ST I don't have time to read all messages about the Draft folder. I don't
ST understand why creation of a virtual folder cannot work
12/14/2005 6:12 AM
Hi Vili,
On 12/13/2005 Vili wrote:
V Ok, then I should campaign for a Hungarian, Russian, etc folder...
V Because I have different emailing habits..(?)
Draft messages are a part of everyone's use. Sorry you do not
understand that.
V Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff
Hello Vili,
Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing
stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does
not...)
Are you sure?
--
Best regards,
Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441
Miguel A.
Hello MAU,
Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing
stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does
not...)
Are you sure?
100%... I am using 3.62.14.
--
Vili
The Bat 3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 2
Hello Paul,
V Ok, then I should campaign for a Hungarian, Russian, etc folder...
V Because I have different emailing habits..(?)
Draft messages are a part of everyone's use. Sorry you do not
understand that.
No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we
have enough
Hello Vili,
Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing
stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does
not...)
Are you sure?
100%... I am using 3.62.14.
As you can see in my signature, I'm using 3.62.14 now. Please see
attached GIF from my Outbox
On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 6:42:00 PM, Vili wrote:
Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later
editing???
The real question is why would anyone have to have a message in
preparation IN the outbox when it needed later editing?
--
Dwight A. Corrin
928 S Broadway
Wichita KS
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 6:38:13 AM, Vili wrote:
No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we
have enough default folders already?
the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages residing
there. there should be a place to put documents which are in
Hello Dwight!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 8:02 AM, you wrote:
... Dont we have enough default folders already?
the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages
residing there. there should be a place to put documents which are
in process where they are not mixed up with
Hello MAU,
Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing
stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does
not...)
Are you sure?
100%... I am using 3.62.14.
As you can see in my signature, I'm using 3.62.14 now. Please see
attached GIF from my Outbox
Hello Dwight,
Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later
editing???
The real question is why would anyone have to have a message in
preparation IN the outbox when it needed later editing?
I am using TB! from v1.3x, support many customers, no one has problem
with it...
--
Hello Dwight,
No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we
have enough default folders already?
the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages residing
there. there should be a place to put documents which are in process
where they are not mixed up with
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:11:39 AM, Vili wrote:
I am using TB! from v1.3x, support many customers, no one has
problem with it...
You aren't suggesting they should just stop developing the program
since 1.3 works well are you?
--
Dwight A. Corrin
928 S Broadway
Wichita KS 67211
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:12:55 AM, Vili wrote:
You have a flag to distinguish between them...
please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find one
flag to mark both
--
Dwight A. Corrin
928 S Broadway
Wichita KS 67211
316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568
dcorrin at
Hello Vili!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:12 AM, you wrote:
No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we
have enough default folders already?
the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages
residing there. there should be a place to put documents
Hello Dwight,
You have a flag to distinguish between them...
please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find
one flag to mark both
THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag.
Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag...
--
Vili
Hello Dwight,
I am using TB! from v1.3x, support many customers, no one has
problem with it...
You aren't suggesting they should just stop developing the program
since 1.3 works well are you?
This is what I am trying to say: I dont feel it as an improvement. I
feel it like the new GUI:
Het was op woensdag 14 december 2005 om 16:25 uur dat jij iets schreef over
'About TB folders' :
Hoi Mary,
___\/___
o/\o
MB What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied
MB to me by the developers?
MB As has been noted by others, I too never use Inbox-Known
Hello Mary,
No, it is not part of mine. Yes, I cannot understand that... Dont we
have enough default folders already?
the point is that we have too few where you can edit messages
residing there. there should be a place to put documents which are
in process where they are not mixed up with
Hello Vili,
Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing
stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does
not...)
Are you sure?
100%... I am using 3.62.14.
As you can see in my signature, I'm using 3.62.14 now. Please see
attached GIF from my Outbox
Hello Vili!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:29 AM, you wrote:
I am using TB! from v1.3x, support many customers, no one has
problem with it...
You aren't suggesting they should just stop developing the program
since 1.3 works well are you?
This is what I am trying to say: I dont feel
Hello Vili!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:34 AM, you wrote:
You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same
way. Just don't use it.
:) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight
against it.
I'm hungry.
You're not hungry.
So, you oppose my being
Hello Vili!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:34 AM, you wrote:
I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior.
And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61. What
will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied
to me by the developers?
Het was op woensdag 14 december 2005 om 16:42 uur dat jij iets schreef over
'About TB folders' :
Hoi Mary,
You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same
way. Just don't use it.
:) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight
against it.
MB I'm
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:34:12 AM, Vili wrote:
You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same
way. Just don't use it.
:) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight
against it.
If each of us decided to fight against anything we didn't think
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:27:59 AM, Vili wrote:
You have a flag to distinguish between them...
please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find
one flag to mark both
THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag.
Messages that are waiting
Hello Cees!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:58 AM, you wrote:
You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the
same way. Just don't use it.
:) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight
against it.
MB I'm hungry.
MB You're not hungry.
MB So, you oppose
Hello Vili,
You have a flag to distinguish between them...
please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find
one flag to mark both
THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag.
Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag...
Think about it
Het was op woensdag 14 december 2005 om 17:16 uur dat jij iets schreef over
'About TB folders' :
Hoi MAU,
THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag.
Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag...
M Think about it a bit more. The fact that you interpret
Hello Cees,
alright Mau, and I wannit NOW! ;)
Drafts folders have been so well accepted by the general public that I
have run out of stock, you'll have to wait a few days until I get some
more from the factory ;-)
Have you seen my signature? I haven't seen your supporting note yet ;-)
--
Hello MAU!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 10:38 AM, you wrote:
alright Mau, and I wannit NOW! ;)
Drafts folders have been so well accepted by the general public that
I have run out of stock, you'll have to wait a few days until I get
some more from the factory ;-)
Thanks, St. Nicholas.
Hello Mary,
Have you seen my signature? I haven't seen your supporting note yet
;-)
Cees put a supporting note there last night--I asked him for it on
TBOT.
And how in h...eaven you expect me to know that Cees is Arkanoid?
--
Best regards,
Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at:
Dwight,
If I have a mail I want to send Wednesday, which I finish on Monday,
where do you suggest I put it when it is done? And it has to have a
flag.
How about a color group for pending messages, and a memo telling you
when it should be sent? You could put it anywhere, even parked in the
Hello MAU!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 10:53 AM, you wrote:
Have you seen my signature? I haven't seen your supporting note yet
;-)
Cees put a supporting note there last night--I asked him for it on
TBOT.
And how in h...eaven you expect me to know that Cees is Arkanoid?
That's what
Hello Mary,
How I do wish that you had time or inclination to peek in on
TBOT from time to time, Miguel. :)
I'll propose you a deal. You recruit eleventeen hundred and twenty seven
new supporters for Drafts folder and I'll join TBOT. Deal?
--
Best regards,
Please support the wish for a
Hello MAU!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 11:42 AM, you wrote:
How I do wish that you had time or inclination to peek in on
TBOT from time to time, Miguel. :)
I'll propose you a deal. You recruit eleventeen hundred and twenty
seven new supporters for Drafts folder and I'll join TBOT.
Hello Vili,
I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior.
And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61.
What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied
to me by the developers?
:)) Simpler is always better...
You are right but I
Hello MAU!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 11:54 AM, you wrote:
I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's
behavior. And this has been true for me since my first version, v.
1.61. What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft
folder supplied to me by the developers?
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 10:58:22 AM, Gleason Pace wrote:
If I have a mail I want to send Wednesday, which I finish on
Monday, where do you suggest I put it when it is done? And it has
to have a flag.
How about a color group for pending messages, and a memo telling you
when it
Hello Mary,
In some real-world offices one has an Outbox and an Inbox on one's
desk.
Only in some? I'd say in most, if not all.
--
Best regards,
Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat!
Hello MAU!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 1:37 PM, you wrote:
In some real-world offices one has an Outbox and an Inbox on one's
desk.
Only in some? I'd say in most, if not all.
Was hedging my bets, not having been in a real-world office in quite
some time. Haven't had one of my own since
Hello MAU,
Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing
stuff One type has the parking flag (hourglass), the other does
not...)
Are you sure?
100%... I am using 3.62.14.
As you can see in my signature, I'm using 3.62.14 now. Please see
attached GIF from my Outbox
Hello Mary,
You could treat your relationship with the Draft folder in the same
way. Just don't use it.
:) I just dont see the meaning to have it... That is why I fight
against it.
I'm hungry.
You're not hungry.
So, you oppose my being fed because you don't see the significance of
my
Hello MAU,
There is no such group that Keep. So, each of it is Draft.
Wrong! There is one of each. Come on, take your _guess_! You have a 50%
chance of _guessing_ it right ;-)
MAU: show me ANY reference in TB! for such a group as Keep...
--
Vili
Hello Dwight,
If you can articulate a reason why you need an Hungarian folder, and
what it needs to do which you can't do with the present configuration
and how it would make TB! a better program I would support your
advocacy of it.
What is that you cannot do NOW without the Drafts folder?
Hello Dwight,
You have a flag to distinguish between them...
please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find
one flag to mark both
THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag.
Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag...
If I have a
Hello MAU,
You have a flag to distinguish between them...
please send screen shot illustrating this, because I can only find
one flag to mark both
THAT is the point!!! Mails that should be sent DOES NOT have a flag.
Messages that are waiting for editing DO have a flag...
Think about it
Hello MAU,
I am constantly having to do work-arounds of the Outbox's behavior.
And this has been true for me since my first version, v. 1.61.
What will it hurt you, Vili, if I have a working Draft folder supplied
to me by the developers?
:)) Simpler is always better...
You are right but I
Hi MAU!
Q: And where is the Drafts folder, doesn't TB have a Drafts folder?
I don't have time to read all messages about the Draft folder. I don't
understand why creation of a virtual folder cannot work for you?
--
Cheers!
Stefan
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 3:08:04 PM, Vili wrote:
MAU: you are just playing with the words... Parked messages in
Outbox means: edit later; Non-parked means: can be sent...
Is it that hard to remember
I can't tell if you are just being hard headed, aren't listening or
are just
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 3:12:53 PM, Vili wrote:
Hello Dwight,
If you can articulate a reason why you need an Hungarian folder, and
what it needs to do which you can't do with the present configuration
and how it would make TB! a better program I would support your
advocacy of it.
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 4:22:43 PM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:
I don't understand why creation of a virtual folder cannot work for
you?
Can I open a message in a virtual folder and edit it? Will it's being
in a virtual folder keep it out of the outbox where it is at risk of
getting sent,
Hi Vili,
Wednesday, December 14, 2005
you let us know -at least in parts- :
Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing???
Why would anyone put a rocket on a launch pad if not for firing it up?
I hate the idea of having clones of already sent mails in my outbox,
Hi Vili,
Wednesday, December 14, 2005
you let us know -at least in parts- :
Why do you MIX the waiting to send stuff with waiting for editing
stuff
I don't think he does. He possibly just can't tell the difference,
because there is no visible difference since all is already mixed up in
Hello Charlene,
Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing???
Why would anyone put a rocket on a launch pad if not for firing it up?
It has nothing to do with the emails...
I hate the idea of having clones of already sent mails in my outbox,
confusing me and the
Hello Dwight,
MAU: you are just playing with the words... Parked messages in
Outbox means: edit later; Non-parked means: can be sent...
Is it that hard to remember
I can't tell if you are just being hard headed, aren't listening or
are just enjoying the arguing.
I dont see the point of
Hello Dwight,
If you can articulate a reason why you need an Hungarian folder, and
what it needs to do which you can't do with the present configuration
and how it would make TB! a better program I would support your
advocacy of it.
What is that you cannot do NOW without the Drafts folder?
Hello Vili,
MAU, I am ready to support it in the moment when you show me a USEFUL
feature of the Draft folder. All I see is only eye-candy kind of
features of the Draft folder...
Forget it. If you haven't understood yet the reasons for the proposal,
you never will.
--
Best regards,
Please
Hello Vili,
MAU: you are just playing with the words... Parked messages in Outbox
means: edit later; Non-parked means: can be sent...
Is it that hard to remember
As I have said in another message, you haven't understood a bit about
what all of this is about.
Forget it.
--
Best
Hello Vili,
MAU: show me ANY reference in TB! for such a group as Keep...
Forget it, you'll never understand what this is all about.
--
Best regards,
Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The
Hi Dwight!
Can I open a message in a virtual folder and edit it?
Yes.
Will it's being in a virtual folder keep it out of the outbox where it is at
risk of
getting sent,
Yes. As long as the Draft flag is used, messages cannot be sent.
where Mary's signatures get messed up, etc.
I has
Hello MAU,
MAU: show me ANY reference in TB! for such a group as Keep...
Forget it, you'll never understand what this is all about.
No, I wont, you are right. You, and noone here in the list showed me
any _usefulness_ of the Drafts folder. You use magic words like Keep
messages, but when
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 6:32:53 PM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:
Yes. As long as the Draft flag is used, messages cannot be sent.
If no one at ritlabs is willing to read any of the discussion about
this subject, then we are just pi$$ing into the wind asking for
consideration of any change.
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 5:44:51 PM, Vili wrote:
Drafts has hourglass icon, finished letters dont have.
if they are parked, what do they have?
--
Dwight A. Corrin
928 S Broadway
Wichita KS 67211
316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568
dcorrin at fastmail.fm
Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.12
Hi Dwight!
If no one at ritlabs is willing to read any of the discussion about
this subject, then we are just pi$$ing into the wind asking for
consideration of any change.
Could you please be more concrete? I've read all messages in the
About TB folders thread and I could not find anything
Hi Dwight!
if they are parked, what do they have?
Parking and draft are synonyms in Outbox. It's the same flag.
--
Cheers!
Stefan
Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
Hello Stefan!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 6:32 PM, you wrote:
where Mary's signatures get messed up, etc.
I has nothing to do with physical Outbox/Drafts separation - the
problem is that PGP-specific flags are not stored in draft messages,
i.e. it's just missing functionality.
I made
Hi Mary!
where Mary's signatures get messed up, etc.
I has nothing to do with physical Outbox/Drafts separation - the
problem is that PGP-specific flags are not stored in draft messages,
i.e. it's just missing functionality.
I made a BT issue report about this, and Roelof posted to me
Hello Stefan!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 6:55 PM, you wrote:
... I've read all messages in the About TB folders thread and I
could not find anything against virtual folder. Perhaps, I'm missing
something?
If I've understood Miguel A. Urech correctly, his chief reason for
proposing
Hello Stefan!
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 7:10 PM, you wrote:
where Mary's signatures get messed up, etc.
I has nothing to do with physical Outbox/Drafts separation - the
problem is that PGP-specific flags are not stored in draft
messages, i.e. it's just missing functionality.
I
Hello Stefan,
Q: And where is the Drafts folder, doesn't TB have a Drafts folder?
I don't have time to read all messages about the Draft folder. I don't
understand why creation of a virtual folder cannot work for you?
Yes, I can understand you don't have time when you have to release 2
betas
messages in the
About TB folders thread and I could not find anything against
virtual folder. Perhaps, I'm missing something?
In your message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you said you
didn't have time to read the messages about tb folders. Then in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote
Will it's being
On Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 6:59:40 PM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:
if they are parked, what do they have?
Parking and draft are synonyms in Outbox. It's the same flag.
I understand that, but I was hoping that Vili would finally have to
admit that it was so and that he understood that as
Hi Vili,
Thursday, December 15, 2005
you let us know -at least in parts- :
I hate the idea of having clones of already sent mails in my outbox,
confusing me and the recipients with duplicates.
Then why do you copy the copies to the Outboy again?
I don't, but the new feature does, as
Hello all,
Let's see, TB creates Inbox, Inbox-Known, Outbox, Sent Mail and Trash
folders, all of them with an specific purpose and quite intuitive. If
needed TB will also create Junk and Quarantine folders, also intuitive.
You, as a user, can then create an unlimited amount of Account and
Common
Hello MAU,
Q: And where is the Drafts folder, doesn't TB have a Drafts folder?
A: Nah! You don't need one. Your drafts are saved in Outbox, mixed with
other messages waiting to be sent but with a special park flag which
will prevent them from being unintentionally sent. Of course, if you
Howdy Vili,
Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 12:42:00 AM, Vili wrotened:
Q: And where is the Drafts folder, doesn't TB have a Drafts folder?
A: Nah! You don't need one. Your drafts are saved in Outbox, mixed with
other messages waiting to be sent but with a special park flag which
will prevent
12/13/2005 8:08 PM
Hi Vili,
On 12/13/2005 Vili wrote:
V Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing???
V We lived w/o Draft, we get used to it, dont change it...
I am glad you are not speaking for me. I often compile a message for
future sending and 'park' it in the
Hello Vili,
We lived w/o Draft, we get used to it, dont change it...
Can't argue such profound thoughts.
--
Best regards,
Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on
Hello Paul,
V Why would anyone park a message in Outbox if not for later editing???
V We lived w/o Draft, we get used to it, dont change it...
I am glad you are not speaking for me. I often compile a message for
future sending and 'park' it in the Outbox for a day or two. If I had
a Drafts
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