Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
Title: Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate Hello Vilius, how is that supposed to be helping the original poster? I believe he was asking for a possibility to explicitly mark a certificate as trustedlocally. To my knowledge Thawte alia can only issue him an official one, which is not really what he was aiming for. I would join the request for the possibility to store an exception for an otherwise invalid certificate just as I can (for example) in Firefox...having had the same problem in the past. The insistence of TheBat! in keeping complaining about the certificate at each and every connection is quite annoying. Best regards -- Viktor Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 2:32:27 PM, you wrote: Hello, Search for VeriSign, Thawte, Comodo. -- Vilius From:tbbeta-boun...@thebat.dutaint.com [mailto:tbbeta-boun...@thebat.dutaint.com]On Behalf OfSimon Martin Sent:2011 m. balandžio 6 d. 16:05 To:tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com Subject:TLS + Self Signed Certificate Hi all, I host my own mail server (Courier). Being the cheapskate that I am, I use a self signed certificate for TLS/SSL connections. I am using the internal S/MIME and TLS implementation. I have had different scenarios in different versions. This is the current 5.0.8 behaviour: if I set the "Secure to dedicated port" option in the Account dialog then every TLS/SSL connection (IMAP or SSL) complains about the self signed certificate. Is there anywhere I can register my certificate to avoid these errors? Regards. -- __ _ Debian GNU User Simon Martin / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ __ Project Manager / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Milliways / /__| | | | | |_| | mailto:smar...@milliways.cl \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes --- Freehosting PIPNI -http://www.pipni.cz/ Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Top posting (was: TLS + Self Signed Certificate)
Wow! This is becoming pandemonium! One individual has already been blocked for ignoring moderations on top posting. It is one of the rules we don't let slide because of how badly illegible threads become. Please read the moderation notice properly. Sorry, I didn't quite read the list's rules (if posted anywhere) before my very first post. I realize this is a rather flammable topic with comparable communities on both sides (me being on the side preferring to see the freshest text in the beginning of the mail instead of having to scroll to the end) ... and will just subordinate next time. Cheers -- Viktor. Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
You can do this by using standard plain text connection method. That is hard to do if the server, for example, only supports SSL connections (as is common practice today) and uses self-signed certs for that - and as such just as good as advising someone, who complains that a car lets him put in diesel where unleaded is needed, to try to run his car on wood. Best regards -- Viktor. Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS + Self Signed Certificate
I'm not sure why you think this is a common practice. Sure it was the case like 5 years ago, but now every major webmail provider, bigger Only SSL only was meant to be common practice - not the self-signed certificates. Did I express myself this unclearly? companies and even universities use good certificates. I use 6 accounts for work and 2 personal accounts and all of them are properly secured with proper certificates. And given what messages IE, FF and Chrome throughs at users these days, I don't imagine who is using self-signed ones. Proper certificates usually cost money, which is a costly good. Apart of that, there are not many other reasonable reasons for using self-signed one, but that's not the point. I really do not think a program should be the neighborhood watch officer for what its users decide to do. Every program that lets me store an exception for a certificate also warns me that it may not be a good idea and urges me to think twice. That's reasonable fine so. But they let me do it - as opposed to not even mentioning that possibility for my own good (which is a very tempting, but rotten, position to assume, in my opinion). Best regards -- Viktor Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
dear Alto, Sunday, April 17, 2011, 12:21:50 PM, you wrote: And came up with _this_? - RIT can't maintain a program of TheBat's complexity. We don't want to write it ourselves. And RIT obviously can't handle the job either. Maybe you better watch in your face attitude and stop knocking Ritlabs down like this. I believe at least half the world is full of people who know how things are not done...strangely there seem to be few great complex products actually done by those. Ritlabs do a terrific job, they still have a terrific program around. I believe that's why you are on this list, too. Yes, they have been concentrating on too much fancy stuff rather than to get existing stuff work right (IMAP, the HTML editor is still a joke). Yes, I have been doing my share of whining around for functional IMAP, for example. Yes, the guy who decided to ship this present V5 (what funny connotations does this have, hopefully the damage won't be as large) should get his bottom lit up, but none of that is a reason to present Ritlabs as a buch of high school janitors. So it's up to them to learn from this, up to us to wait for a real release...only in your facing is not going to help anyone. Calm down and enjoy the beautiful week-end. -- Viktor Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder tree in Copy/Move messages to displays all folders closed (used to be: open state copies the folder tree)
Hello! Since the beta stage of V5, there seems to be a change in how the Copy/Move messages to dialog. In 4.2.42 the folders being open/closed used to copy their state in the main folder tree http://www.offline.cz/hostbits/tbbeta/tbbeta5_2011-03-01_muvfldrs01.jpg Version 5 though http://www.offline.cz/hostbits/tbbeta/tbbeta5_2011-03-01_muvfldrs02.jpg shows them all closed. On the screenshot you can see the difference between the folder tree and the dialog's one (my folder tree has all accounts and many folders open, in the dialog only the current account is open, everything else closed). Is this a feature (shorter initial view)? I hope not, because that would take from us the possibility to customize what's going to be open depending on the user's mode of use (typically, you'd have those folders you use most often open in the folder tree - it's a waste of time to have to open them all in the move dialog as well; and yes, I do use that dialog to actually move messages between accounts) Cheers -- Viktor Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
Hello Alto, Sunday, April 17, 2011, 1:44:26 PM, you wrote: You did realize that I hardly wrote a single mail during the whole v5 beta phase? I intentionally held back even though what had been presented was of abysmal quality. It was work in progress, maybe clear that they actually intended to release _this_, no further comment had been necessary, either. Maybe, just *maybe* and *sometimes* it's better to speak up when you just get the hint of a suspicion that things may not be going quite the way you'd like them to, than to *expect* and be disappointed. Funnywise this reminds me on all the GFs I tried to teach the same: speak up on time, don't silently expect and be disappointed later. Seems like they aren't the only ones exhibiting this pattern. It was RITs one and only chance to regain some trust and reputation. They blew it, big time. Well... And you, for your part, didn't help them do otherwise. It's too easy to silently let someone run against a knife and then shout up loud after they did. Everyone *can* do that...only is that quite what you want to do? -- Viktor Current beta is 5.0.6.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder tree in Copy/Move messages to displays all folders closed (used to be: open state copies the folder tree)
Is this a feature (shorter initial view)? I hope not, because that would take from us the possibility to customize what's going to be open I didn't like it AT FIRST, but I have come to appreciate it. I am a keyboard user as much as possible and this allows for much faster movement through the tree. That sounds as if it were meant to be a feature, though there was no authoritative answer. Is it one, or is it a bug? Thank you. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.0.9.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12.4
that pops up above all other windows several times every few minutes?! I don't want to disconnect my internal card reader. I do have a card reader and do not get this message. Had it at some time, though - long ago. IMO that's a Windows issue. Cheers, -- Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.0.12.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0.12.13 Exception ECriticalSectionsLeak in module mapi32.dll when Skype starts
Hello! With 5.0.12.13 installed as MAPI handler, I get the following error each time i start Skype --- Application Error --- Exception ECriticalSectionsLeak in module mapi32.dll at 000116F5. Resource leak: 2 instance(s) of TBatCriticalSection left Caller addresses listed below: 02CB4309 02CB431A. TheBat! doesn't seem to suffer any obvious damage from this, but none the less, the error message probably means there is an error somewhere. -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.12.13 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0.12.16: IMAP - Phantom messages reappeared with this version
Hello, since *.16 I started experiencing the following effect on IMAP: - message arrives in Inbox - I move it manually to another folder - after a few seconds, the message appears in Inbox again, and shows as unread - Pressing Esc (hard and several times) makes it disappear from Inbox and never show there again (which is correct) Does anyone have similar experience? -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.12.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP TLS: disabled buttons in dialog about invalid certificate /// No retry from TheBat! to rebuild a failed SSL connection resulting in an unfunctional state
Hello, today I tried to switch my IMAP connection to SSL. Unfortunately I get the following behavior: - sometimes: a dialog saying the certificate is not valid with DISABLED buttons to view the certificate or add it to the trusted CAs list. Why are the buttons disabled? - currently, when starting Thebat, the dialog flashes and disappears, I see no way to get back to it. So not even the dialog mentioned above is effectively shown. The log says a bit of conflicting information: certificate invalid, BUT - connected to...: 20.07.2011, 17:00:16: IMAP - Connecting to IMAP server pop.kundenserver.de on port 995 20.07.2011, 17:00:16: IMAP - Initiating TLS handshake 20.07.2011, 17:00:17: IMAP - Certificate S/N: 2463B922, algorithm: RSA (512 bits), issued from 7/20/2011 2:58:59 PM to 7/15/2031 2:58:59 PM, for 1 host(s): pop.kundenserver.de. 20.07.2011, 17:00:17: IMAP - Owner: EN, pop.kundenserver.de. 20.07.2011, 17:00:17: IMAP - This certificate is self-issued. !20.07.2011, 17:00:17: IMAP - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (The CA Root certificate is not trusted because it is not in the Trusted Root CA address book). 20.07.2011, 17:00:17: IMAP - TLS handshake complete 20.07.2011, 17:00:17: IMAP - Connected to IMAP server (pop.kundenserver.de) - without restarting TheBat!, there seems to be no way to make it try to reconnect, even if I change the connection properties. - the result is, I have a TheBat! that says Connected to IMAP server (pop.kundenserver.de) as last message in the account log, but in reality it's obviously not connected and I am getting no mail * Is there any logic in it? * Why do I get no chance to view/store the cert - even though there seem to be buttons for it? * Regardless a possible that's self-signed certificates problem! answer - shouldn't TheBat! notice it has no useful connection to this server and shout about it, possibly retrying the connection on each F2? Why does it seem fine with the unconnected state, showing no attempts to do anything? Thank you. -- Viktor Kabelac Current beta is 5.0.18.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP TLS: disabled buttons in dialog about invalid certificate
- sometimes: a dialog saying the certificate is not valid with DISABLED buttons to view the certificate or add it to the trusted CAs list. Why are the buttons disabled? Disabled buttons mean that the serve didn't send the certificate during the connection, that's why there is nothing to view or save. Though the log said something about a self-signed certificate (also I do not see which TLS implementation would try to set up a connection without specifying any certificate?). How exactly would the server send no certificate? The other situation is much more interesting: - the certificate dialog flashes and disappears - the log says TLS handshake has failed...and completed successfully. What is this? 21.07.2011, 10:27:04: IMAP - Connecting to IMAP server imap.1und1.de on port 993 21.07.2011, 10:27:05: IMAP - Initiating TLS handshake 21.07.2011, 10:27:05: IMAP - Certificate S/N: 2456C892, algorithm: RSA (512 bits), issued from 7/20/2011 2:44:51 PM to 7/15/2031 2:44:51 PM, for 1 host(s): imap.1und1.de. 21.07.2011, 10:27:05: IMAP - Owner: EN, imap.1und1.de. 21.07.2011, 10:27:05: IMAP - This certificate is self-issued. !21.07.2011, 10:27:05: IMAP - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (The CA Root certificate is not trusted because it is not in the Trusted Root CA address book). 21.07.2011, 10:27:05: IMAP - TLS handshake complete 21.07.2011, 10:27:05: IMAP - Connected to IMAP server (imap.1und1.de) 21.07.2011, 10:27:05: IMAP - IMAP server ready H mimap5 87367 - IMAP works none the less (does TheBat! ten revert to unencrypted mode?) Thank you, -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.0.18.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP TLS: disabled buttons in dialog about invalid certificate
Hello Maxim, - sometimes: a dialog saying the certificate is not valid with DISABLED buttons to view the certificate or add it to the trusted CAs list. Why are the buttons disabled? Disabled buttons mean that the serve didn't send the certificate during the connection, that's why there is nothing to view or save. since 5.0.18.12 now shows me that dialog, I'd like to complete my report. The dialog shows disabled buttons (http://www.vergangen.de/tmp/thebat_v5_beta_unknown_selfsigned_cert.jpg) while the log says there was a self-signed certificate: 24.07.2011, 22:47:08: IMAP - Connecting to IMAP server imap.1und1.de on port 993 24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - Initiating TLS handshake 24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - Certificate S/N: 2456C892, algorithm: RSA (512 bits), issued from 7/20/2011 2:44:51 PM to 7/15/2031 2:44:51 PM, for 1 host(s): imap.1und1.de. 24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - Owner: EN, imap.1und1.de. 24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - This certificate is self-issued. !24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (The CA Root certificate is not trusted because it is not in the Trusted Root CA address book). 24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - TLS handshake complete 24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - Connected to IMAP server (imap.1und1.de) 24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - IMAP server ready H mibap7 87367 24.07.2011, 22:47:09: IMAP - Authenticating (user: ***, method: LOGIN)... 24.07.2011, 22:47:10: IMAP - IMAP server authentication OK, server says LOGIN completed Apparently there was one...only self-signed then. Wouldn't it be more straightforward to the user if he'd get the possibility to store the certificate (or even directly mark it as trusted), such as for example Firefox nicely lets me do? The provider in question here is probably the biggest player on the German market and I sincerely doubt that trying to teach him to use certificates signed by a real authority is a prospective approach. Thank you, best regards, Viktor -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.0.20 MSI
Please try The Bat! 5.0.20 MSI: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-0-20.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_5-0-20.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-20.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-20.msi After installing the package thebat_pro_5-0-20.msi, TheBat that start reports version 5.0.18.14 That doesn't seem correct to me? -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.0.20 MSI
After installing the package thebat_pro_5-0-20.msi, TheBat that start reports version 5.0.18.14 you've already installed the bad initial MSI, then uninstall it and install the new one; both versions have the same ID and cannot be installed one over another. Thank you. Since I was a bit afraid of losing settings or stuff when uninstalling (don't I need to be?) I have extracted the MSI and just replaced the thebat.exe (it's the only difference). Maybe it helps to others too: msiexec /a thebat_pro_5-0-20.msi /qb TARGETDIR=d:\install\$$$batmsi2\ (note the absolute path to dest directory is a must; source: http://thebackroomtech.com/2007/08/23/howto-extract-files-from-a-msi-file-using-the-windows-command-line/) -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.0.18.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP TLS: disabled buttons in dialog about invalid certificate
Hello, send the certificate during the connection, so there is nothing to add. But if you can get this certificate other way, e.g. getting it from a provider via the website or by email, then you can add it. Surely, the fact that TB rejected the cert meant that it was sent by the server. Yes, this was also my point - if TB sees it as self-signed, I would also suppose it must have SEEN IT (in order to check it) and thus it must have been sent (also, I would hardly expect the server qio try to establish a TLS session without sending a certificate). The log even says so. I wonder if there is a substantial difference between our and Maxims understanding of whether a certificate was been sent? Did Maxim mean the CAs certificate has not been sent, rather than the server's one? In a self-signed cert there is no CA in the story...so just as in Firefox, I'd expect to be able to just say I trust the server's cert, please add it to the trusted list without having to change to the address book and look for where to ass it myself. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.0.22.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Error message when sending a mail: Message from XXXX, subject Re: YYYYY, is not properly addressed
Hello, this is a message I got once earlier, today again. After replying to all to a message that contained people in To: and CC: and adding one BCC:, I got this message as a pop-up window: Message from , subject Re: Y, is not properly addressed Whatever I change on the addresses, doesn't seem to change anything on the outcome. TheBat! doesn't seem to have even communicated until this message came. The SMTP log doesn't contain anything to this send attempt. Do you have any idea where this problem could originate? When does TheBat! produce this message? UPDATE: this problem now seems to affect all accounts in my Thebat! I cannot send any mail from TheBat! at this moment (this is an alternative client, sorry if message arrives as HTML). Thank you, best regards. -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.22.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error message when sending a mail: Message from XXXX, subject Re: YYYYY, is not properly addressed
Hello Roelof, What version of TB are you using? What plug-ins? Are you using the same template for all of your accounts? Does the problem occur when you're replying to a single person too? I use the newest TB Beta, but it also affects the latest V5 MSI (and I actually later found forum messages as old as 2005, with no useful answer). I use Antispam Sniper, but also tried to deactivate it - no change. What do you mean by template? Mail template? I use none. The problem occurs in ANY mail, even the simplest, I try to send since today. I have developed a hypothesis: - today, I tried to download mails from a quite flawed POP3 server. - after that I get this error, no matter what I uninstall, reinstall or delete, the one thing that remains constant is the message base - is there a chance that te flawed server sent *something* (like a syntactically completely wicked sender, recipient address etc) and this address got recorded in some of TBs central account files so that any attempt to use this file ends with an error, ultimately leading to this message? Something like the address book or address history comes to my mind. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any file that had been changed today and seemed to contain addresses. RITLabs - could you maybe please shed some light on when TheBat! displays such a message i the first row? What is it checking? Is the check based on any msgbase files that get modified by downloaded messages? -- Thank you, best regards, Viktor Current beta is 5.0.22.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error message when sending a mail: Message from XXXX, subject Re: YYYYY, is not properly addressed
It seems very much like this error doesn't happen is a valid bugfixing approach over at RITLabs... -- Viktor Current beta is 5.0.22.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0.22.15 IMAP - unread status appearing randomly with already read messages
Hello! After installing 5.0.22.15, an issue poppped back up that I had already been having before, but which seemed gone in the meantime: - message arrives, I read it, it becomes read. After some time, it boldens again, becoming unread. - scroll to any random position in the Inbox message list, click on several old messages. Some of them become unread. Anyone having these symptoms too? -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.22.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: A more contemporary format of the message size given in the Size-column in message list
Regarding today's internet capabilities, down- and upload rates, harddrive sizes, possible message attachment sizes it seems a lot more up to date to show message sizes in Kilobytes (at least) or even Megabytes (adequately rounded). Maybe this could be made customizable via Preferences. One mail should not be more greater than 10Mb, so I think the current way of show the size of the emails it's correct. However it'd be nice if all people were bytes and sizes aware, your argument is the typical mistake of many IT people. Similar with your decision on behalf of everyone else on how many pixels do and do not hurt. Something should be one way, so we simply ignore the mostly different reality (I am not handling that, no one has any business doing it that way). The problem with this approach is, that if you are writing an application for users (normal people out there, you know), you can hardly tell them that they or their mail contacts are morons (technically, of course you can, but you'll be doing it at jobs changing in a fast pace). If there are people sending me mails of 10, 20 or 30 MB (this are realistic sizes I have witnessed and I have no illusions regarding other people not seeing much bigger ones), there is no reason to have a column that contains 8 and more digits and be forced to count them in 3somes to find out the mail sizes. So, if, optionally, the display could say 2,4 kB and 15,8 MB, I personally would be all for it. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.22.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: A more contemporary format of the message size given in the Size-column in message list
Hello Dwight, you can hardly tell them that they or their mail contacts are morons (technically, of course you can, but you'll be doing it at jobs changing in a fast pace). If there are people sending me mails of 10, 20 or 30 MB (this are realistic sizes I have witnessed and I have no illusions regarding other people not seeing much bigger ones), there is no reason to have a column that contains 8 and more digits and be forced to count them in 3somes to find out the mail sizes. I read that you are saying you shouldn't tell them are morons, just assume they are and treat them as such. You do not seem to read what I am saying. I say - your mail partners or users of your mail program do have a way of using their IT resources, be it by sending 50MB large mails. Unless you are their boss, it's not your job to tell them they should be using them in a way we think is more correct (you are free to think it, but that's about all). The conclusion is, big emails are reality and it is not helping to attempt to deny it when designing and developing software handling that data. It will only lead to lessened user comfort of senders or receivers by having their programs crash or display astronomic numbers where MB would be appropriate. How was this nice rule...be strict about what you produce and benevolent about what you can handle? -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.22.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A more contemporary format of the message size given in the Size-column in message list
Hello Alto, It's not a problem of width, it's a problem of being able to quickly tell the size of a message. 3,2MB and 988kB are easier to parse than 3.454.565 and 1.011.847. I disagree: If there are a lot of numbers (as in 3.454.565) I get a grip about the size much easier than if it were just 3.2 (= no more numbers than usual, have to really read it to tell the difference.) While it's nice for you if you can immediately map 3.454.565 to an idea of the practical message size in your mind (and are not simply arguing for argument's sake), I support Jernej's point that users in their majority need to know this message is 100 KB big or oh, here come 65,4 MB for their reasonably fine idea of what that means, and showing them 48.584.657 is not supporting them at this at all. For you, I absolutely support there being a setting that would keep the display in bytes as it's now. If you or Dwight prefer, there also can be a setting warn user before sending message larger than Returning an appropriate message to a sender of huge messages can, I believe, already be done using filters. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.22.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A more contemporary format of the message size given in the Size-column in message list
Hello Alto, While it's nice for you if you can immediately map 3.454.565 to an idea of the practical message size in your mind [...] Not exactly: In a single glance I can tell that 3.454.565 is a lot, just because there are a lot of digits. Who cares how much it is exactly. At the same time, I'd see that 3.2 is not much. It definitly doesn't trigger my what the $% is this reflex. I believe the 3,2 would be accompanied by an MB in the list, so if your list were full of different KBs and suddenly a 64,5 MB had appeared, IMO it would catch enough attention. So, the current representation is a much quicker way for me to judge sizes by first glance. If I get down to really reading it there isn't much of a difference, but when just browsing the list there certainly is. That'll probably qualify as a matter of taste a.k.a. Geschmackssache. So why not make it configurable as was originally suggested? My main problem here is with opinions along the lines of people have no business sending large mails so why bother with large figures. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.22.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smartpad/Scheduler not working! (was: Re: 5.0.24 MSI files)
same urls http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-0-24.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-0-24.msi No luck. I'm still getting the same old version. It IS the old version, according to the MSI. It just contains newer files (read original comment by M. Masiutin). You cannot install it without uninstalling the current installation or unpacking it manually. Though, if you indeed are getting *a binary same file* as before, then there may be some upstream proxy in your way caching too much... BTW. it's a nice thing to add your list address as Reply-To when writing to the list so people can simply answer to your mail and land in the list instead of your private mail address. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.0.26.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smartpad/Scheduler not working! (was: Re: 5.0.24 MSI files)
Hello Roelof, VK BTW. it's a nice thing to add your list address as Reply-To when writing VK to the list so people can simply answer to your mail and land in the list VK instead of your private mail address. That's supposed to be done automatically by the list server. You are right...sorry. Now I see it, even in Ethans message headers. Dunno why my Bat! didn't do it just as it does with all other messages when I was replying to him :( Thank you for pointing it out. Ahh - now I know why. I hit Reply to all that time, in which case Bat! apparently handles the addresses differently. Cheers, -- Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.0.26.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.0.26.10 wouldn't create URL QR codes
Hello! When I right-click an HTTP URL in TheBat!, all the items in the QR code menu are disabled. Seems to happen with any kind of URL. When I mark text and right-click the selection, I do get the Text option active, so may be that it's specifically URLs that do not work here. Is TheBat! checking anything on the URL to decide where it's a valid URL for QR code genaration? Can anyone confirm and/or explain? -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.26.10 wouldn't create URL QR codes
Hello Marek, Is TheBat! checking anything on the URL to decide where it's a valid URL for QR code genaration? Can anyone confirm and/or explain? You must mark text/url before you are right. When I mark the URL, I get URL and Text active in the menu. Still, I think that's not quite it - but it's more a feature+an usability problem rather than a direct functional bug. Think HTML mail... Often your URL has the text Click here for more information. But you do not want to make a QR out of that, but ouf of the URL that lies beneath it. Since TheBat! knows there is an URL associated with the element when right-click it, I'd say it can differentiate between text selection and an object (even text) with an associated URL. I'd propose that: - if an element is clicked that has an URL associated, that URL should be the relevant base for a QR code - if a non-empty text selection os right-clicked, selection content is what counts - if an empty selection with no URL association is right clicked (that is probably effectively what I was doing, I guess), I'd plead that NO QR option is present as it has no function anyway, thus it has no use and is confusing. Does that sound like a feature? -- Best regards, Viktor Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[OT] Re: Buffer Overrun Problems on TB!
Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library --- Buffer overrun detected! ...and I always thought TB! still were maintained in Delphi or some of its descendants? -- Cheers, Viktor Current beta is 5.0.26.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.36.3
The Bat! 5.0.36.3 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50363.rar Running here too. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.36.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing Message Templates in 5.0.36.3
Hello Richard, The drop down message templates are missing under File in the Addressboook. Specifically that's New message using temple and Mass mailing using template. Confirmations? For me, these both appear under File/New. But since I am using neither of these capabilities, can't tell if they always were there... -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.36.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing Message Templates in 5.0.36.3
Hello Richard, Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 11:16:59 AM, you wrote: VK For me, these both appear under File/New. But since I am using neither of VK these capabilities, can't tell if they always were there... They should appear as in the attached. They do not appear as such in 5.0.36.3 it seems to me like they simply have been moved into a new top level menu item called New. If you do not see a New menu item, then it may be a whole different problem. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.36.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.36.3 - New in Address Book
RN new). In fact, I'd prefer everything else under File in this RN iteration go into a drop-down and the stuff currently under New come RN back to the first level under File. It is this type of thing that keeps my customers me away from v5. Welcome constructive feedback. From how I see it, almost any program nowadays groups items in this way (have a look at the File menu of Thunderbird), so what would make TheBat! so exceptionally bad for joining that track? I would much more complain about really missing or broken functionality (such as IMAP used to be or still is, depending on who you ask) - or the less-then-optimal rollout of a broken V5 release. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.36.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: winmail.dat
Hello Franz, Anyone (in fact any stupid person or newcomer to all matters computer Especially if it's a person you trust send him an email telling him he should enter winmail.dat in Google and search how he can program/change Outlook so he won't ever attach winmail.dat again. that is rather bold a statement and a stance I would not choose in communication with, say, a customer. Plus, since we're discussing the abilities of our favourite mail client here, let's not go into ideology, and advising people to do something about their stupid customers/mail partners. Rather I'd choose to have a mail client that can look into that winmail.dat for me to see if there is an attachment I expect or not. To my knowledge, not only OL/OE overhead, but also valid attachments can be packed by Outlook in this file format. If Marek Mikus says, TheBat! can read the format for me, I am fully satisfied. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.0.36.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: space shuttle Discovery's final flight
Thanks for asking! It shows to me that you have a real interest in what moves people and that you have a sense of connection with others, which is a sign of health! We need much more of that in this world. Bob, are you Diplomat? Nice answer! Good one! -- Viktor Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: space shuttle Discovery's final flight - SPAM
Hello Bob, On 4/18/2012 3:13 PM, you wrote: Please don't feed Trolls or spammer! Thanks! My message was not spam. It was a rare event for me - to share such a message to the Bat beta list. I have been on this list for several Keeping in mind the topic of this list, it is. Would you come to the idea to send us a recipe for the delicious pie you baked yesterday or the pictures of the newest Shelby you saw driving by in the morning? Cheers, -- Viktor Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.1 MSI
C Installed the Pro and the intpack Why? C I registered the Pro a long time ago, and this seems to be the latest intpack. Isn't the intpack included in the pro version? I installed it too. The thought: why would there be a separate MSI for it if it were included in the others? So, is it? :) -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.1 MSI
I installed it too. The thought: why would there be a separate MSI for it if it were included in the others? So, is it? :) Yes, it has always been. See my reply to Cs, or this link: https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/diff.php You are right, thank you for pointing it out. Now only...I i=kind of miss the point in excluding that from the Standard version MSI, when it can be downloaded separately. It doesn't prevent Standard users from using it, it only gives them a bit more pain by the need to download it extra. Is there nothing more behind it? -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.1.0.4: Double click in HTML editor creates new message to my address
Hello TB-BETA, while replying to an email, when I double-click a word in the HTML editor to select it (seems to be an implicitly understood feature in nearly all text editors), I get a new editor window with my own address as recipient in it. Disturbs me a bit as I'd expect a word-select on double click, plus I do not see any possibility for this to be a defined feature. Can anyone confirm this? Is that a feature in any way? Have a nice day! -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.4: Double click in HTML editor creates new message to my address
Hello Roelof, Monday, April 23, 2012, 10:54:00 AM, you wrote: VK while replying to an email, when I double-click a word in the VK HTML editor to select it (seems to be an VK implicitly understood feature in nearly all text editors), I get a new VK editor window with my own address as recipient in it. Cannot confirm. When replying to an html message and I double click a word in the html OK, true. Let me be more specific: * have a pure HTML mail (can send one to yourself - select Only HTML) * select reply to it * ERASE all text (when I start typing right away above the quotes, the effect doesn't show) * start typing in the newly blank email * double-click a word Does that produce that effect now? I could reproduce it with a new email that I have sent to myself and hit reply, just as with the original mail or a Groupon newsletter. -- Cheers, Viktor Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.4: Double click in HTML editor creates new message to my address
Hello, sorry if this message arrives twice; I cannot find my first reply to Roelof...so this is my second try to get through. Hello Roelof, Monday, April 23, 2012, 10:54:00 AM, you wrote: VK while replying to an email, when I double-click a word in the VK HTML editor to select it (seems to be an VK implicitly understood feature in nearly all text editors), I get a new VK editor window with my own address as recipient in it. Cannot confirm. When replying to an html message and I double click a word in the html OK, true. Let me be more specific: * have a pure HTML mail (can send one to yourself - select Only HTML) * select reply to it * ERASE all text (when I start typing right away above the quotes, the effect doesn't show) * start typing in the newly blank email * double-click a word Does that produce that effect now? I could reproduce it with a new email that I have sent to myself and hit reply, just as with the original mail or a Groupon newsletter. -- Cheers, Viktor Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.4: Double click in HTML editor creates new message to myaddress
Hello Roelof, Monday, April 23, 2012, 10:54:00 AM, you wrote: VK while replying to an email, when I double-click a word in the VK HTML editor to select it (seems to be an VK implicitly understood feature in nearly all text editors), I get a new VK editor window with my own address as recipient in it. Cannot confirm. When replying to an html message and I double click a word in the html editor that action simply selects the word. Doesn't matter whether it's a word in the quotes or my own text. sorry for triple-posting if my earlier mails have arrived in the list (I can see neither of them). The problem seems to only happen when I delete the entire mail text after hitting Reply and before I type my own text. So - I reply to an HTML mail - I select and delete the entire text - I start typing. A double click produces the new window I mentioned I could reproduce this with a mail I had sent to myself, just as with a Groupon newsletter. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.1.2.: System HTML viewer incorrectly displays UTF-8 HTML messages without correct HTML structure
Hello TB-BETA, I have one sender (a forum's notifications) that sends me HTML+Text emails that miss the correct HTML structure (no HTML, no HEAD, no BODY, no encoding) but directly start with content. When TheBat! is set to use the system HTML viewer (was this meant to become the default setting, become active without being explicitly configured so?) these messages are not shown properly. With the internal viewer, they display fine. These messages have the following header: Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Is there a chance to detect the encoding the same as seems to be done with the internal viewer to correctly display even these broken messages (in light of the internal viewer being able to do so?) I can supply a sample if it helps. -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.2.: System HTML viewer incorrectly displays UTF-8 HTML messages without correct HTML structure
Hello RS, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 3:56:06 PM, you wrote: BUT my messages were detected properly as UTF-8 but not displayed properly. When I switched coding to something else and back to UTF-8 they were fine. For me personally the problem mainly was connected with messages send in Polish or Chinese (Simplified and Traditional). Probably the encoding was simply not applied. My messages are in Czech, but IMO we can safely suppose the problem doesn't depend on the language, but on the encoding. Encoding read out of the email doesn't seem to be correctly passed to the system viewer. If the HTML itself bore a correct header, all may have been OK. But in these messages, the HTML just starts right off with text. The internal viewer shows them properly right from the start. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.2.: System HTML viewer incorrectly displays UTF-8 HTML messages without correct HTML structure
Servus Uwe, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 5:36:26 PM, you wrote: correctly passed to the system viewer. If the HTML itself bore a correct header, all may have been OK. But in these messages, the HTML just starts right off with text. The internal viewer shows them properly right from the start. I can confirm on all that. I have several messages (HTML only) created using Thunderbird and they look like Since we seem to agree that this is an issue - do you - or anybody else - know if concluding this here is enough for RITLabs to get on it, or do we need to create an issue in the previously mentioned issue tracking system? Thanks and have a nice day. -- Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.2.: System HTML viewer incorrectly displays UTF-8 HTML messages without correct HTML structure
Hello Raymund, The system viewer doesn't respect the UTL-8 character set, but the internal viewer shows them properly. I would expect that the system viewer does not see the Nobody expects the system viewer to see these, of course (those are 2 different programs and it'd be sad if they saw into eachother). But, we (or I, for this matter) would well expect TheBat' to - pass this data to the viewer when embedding it in the view window. - or, if such a feature is not defined by the interface used to invoke the system viewer, patch the HTML passed to the viewer by adding that header so the encoding gets propagated to it. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.1 MSI files
Hello Maxim, http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-1-6-1.msi UR here, but issues like that reported by me 5.1.0.4: Double click in HTML editor creates new message to my address are still present. Can you (or somebody else) please tell me if it's enough to report issues in the list and RITLabs will notice and file them, or do I need to enter them in the new issue tracking system? If the latter is the case, can you please point me somewhere where I can create an account and report issues? Thanks! -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again: Bug tracker no longer available - something new?
Hello Rick, Thursday, May 10, 2012, 4:54:55 PM, you wrote: Nobody asked for my opinion but I will give it anyway: Beta! version 5.1 released + Bugtracker dying = Too much of a coincidence. What lesson are we to discern from this? Also, you said Ritlabs was a one man operation now. Do you have some evidence or a link to back that Seriously, even if it were, there's nothing wrong with that alone. It'd rather make the achievements more impressive. The problem, as I see it, is the symptoms - that do not necessarily require an one-man-show behind the product: the strange focus on features and ignoring others (including erros); the obviously broken release(s) etc. Let's hope for the best - a nice stable mail program with features just as you need them - as TB! used to be. And, personally, I'd wish I could get an answer to my old question: is it enough to find and agree on a bug on the list here, or is there a bugracker I need to use (and where)? -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Hello Steven,
Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 2:01:37 PM, you wrote:
First, I searched the specific key mentioned above. Not found.
Second, I searched my ENTIRE registry (keys *and* values). Not found.
Any other ideas?
I could find the following:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Installer\Products\30CF7E9080E535D4BAACF9E9B2FCF67B\
in it there is, among others:
ProductName=The Bat! Professional v5.1.6.1
PackageCode=60BC31D6BF4A87344B97EA8F3DCCD90E
ProductIcon=C:\WINDOWS\Installer\{09E7FC03-5E08-4D53-ABCA-9F9E2BCF6FB7}\ARPPRODUCTICON.exe
SourceList\PackageName=thebat_pro_5-1-6-1.msi
In these the path and name of the install package seem to reside. Two UIDs
seem to me part of this game, probably the first is the product ID, the
second that of the concrete installation run...?
Does that help?
--
Best regards,
Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz
Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6 MSI files
Hello Raymund, Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 10:02:09 PM, you wrote: Okay, that shouldn't happen. Programs and Features shows all three as installed which obviously isn't true. Well, Max warned you about this. If you already have 5.1.6.0 installed, deinstall it first. Well, you didn't (and neither did Steven). So what do you expect? Resolving that automatically by means of the installer comes to mind. It should be the first to know that it's actually replacing an existing installation. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Report
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, June 19, 2012, 3:38:41 PM, you wrote: SPV to a web site of evil. Then again, it might be nice if TB SPV had an option to provide a special warning if the link text SPV doesn't match the link that will be followed and/or if the SPV link will execute some script or macro. Then it MIGHT be SPV arguably safe to click a plaintext link. If you view HTML mail, hover over the link with the mouse and it will show the actual URL. In pliantext mails, or by clicking on the Texy tab in HTML mail, you see the actual URL in plain text. Hovering the link helps. of course. What I choose to do is right-click it, copy its target to the clipboard and then paste it, on my own free will, in a browser. That way I can double and tripple-check where the link leads to and control when I visit it. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.1.6.6. AV when Drag'n'droppig TNEF attachments from a mail saved in file
Hello TB-BETA, I have an email with a TNEF (winmail.dat) attachment saved as .EML (originally that mail was saved in ThunderBird that cannot handle TNEF as it seems). I open this .EML in TheBat! (hit the .EML in Explorer). A new window with this mail comes, where I see both the original winmail.dat and those files transparently extracted from it by TheBat!. When I mark these ex-TNEF attachments and want to drag and drop them (into a ThunderBird message or a Windows Explorer folder window), I get the following AV exception: Access violation at address 00B50F09 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address . accompanied by the following record in ex_log.txt v5.1.6.6 MORPHIA/kabelac 26.06.2012 15:02:52.023 GUIDEF:Cannot bind layout item [MsgCtl].[mReloadMsg] It may be a bit hard to test if it somehow depends on the data...I can provide the original .EML upon individual request. But it happens both with a small and huge .EML, so the data may not matter. Maybe it's just an issue of the drop message handler not expecting attachments that are not real. Have a nice day! -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.6. AV when Drag'n'droppig TNEF attachments from a mail saved in file (appears in 5.1.6.7 too)
The problem appears in 5.1.6.7 just the same. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.1.6.7 - new (not present in 5.1.6.6) ghost text input and lowered pane in Message Move dialog
Hello TB-BETA, since 5.1.6.7 two ghost form elements appear in my message move window that were nt there in 5.1.6.6 (just double-checked) and do not seem to have a purpose there. See screenshot: http://www.vergangen.de/data/thebat/20120702_tb5167_ghost_input.png Anyone to confirm this? Take care and have a nice day. -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.1.6.7 HTML-Part in multipart message shown as text
Hello TB-BETA, I have a multipart message whose format-determining parts look like this ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_Part_28852_528323352.1341474855833 ... --=_Part_28852_528323352.1341474855833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... ... --=_Part_28852_528323352.1341474855833 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ! -- USER Mitteilung - jmd-...@vergangen.de -- Wenn Sie diese Zeilen lesen k=C3=B6nnen, haben wir Ihr Mailclient -- nicht richtig erkennen k=C3=B6nnen. When viewed in TheBat!, the HTML attachment gets shown as first, but displayed as text. When replying to the message, an HTML reply opens with the original HTML mail correctly embedded. Is there something in the mail that disturbs TB! or is this a TB issue? The message can be found at: Hatetepe://*VeVeVe*.vergangen.de/tmp/20120705_tb_jomondo_multipart_mail.eml -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.7 - new (not present in 5.1.6.6) ghost text input and lowered pane in Message Move dialog
Hello Thomas, Thursday, July 5, 2012, 2:32:32 PM, you wrote: VK since 5.1.6.7 two ghost form elements appear in my message move window VK that were nt there in 5.1.6.6 (just double-checked) and do not seem to have folder and then the folder tree would automagically navigate to that folder. Alas, it does not work any more. I actually thought about some purpose like that, but the following speak against that hypothesis: - nothing like that was there just one version before (5.1.6.6) - typing into that field doesn't do anything - there is also that lowered surface around the buttons that doesn't seem quite right and is new in this version - the element focus in the dialog has changed: now buttons have the focus, not the tree control, so I cannot just type d or 3x down arrow to navigate to the folder to move to. I found it so much more useful then the tree control was focused at dialog start. I have not mentioned the copy dialog as I thought it's in reality one and the same, just with another flag when calling it... So is this a feature gone wrong in the end? -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Images in HTML mail
Hello Gleason, Steven P Vallière, This is not confirmed here. What is not confirmed where and why does there seem to be the entire previous message quoted when you do not seem to be reacting to anything in particular? -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.8
Hello Maxim, Thank you for the good news! UR here, the ghost inputs in folder selection dialog now have a meaning, but for example the problem described in 5.1.6.7 HTML-Part in multipart message shown as text is still present. Again, can you please give me a answer to my old question: is it - in general - enough to describe a problem in the list, or won't it be noticed until entered in the bugtracking system? Cheers, -- Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: floating SMTP server
Hello Alto, please do not use Reply to create new topics. Created like this, your message floats under a totally unrelated thread, which is neither useful, nor nice. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.1.6.8: HTML message with inline image created by TB - inline image not displayed in TheBat!
Hello TB-BETA, I have just created and sent an HTML message with an inline screenshot (paste from Clipboard). A CC of the message went back to me. Unfortunately, the inline image is not being displayed in the same program. When I try to import the message in Thunderbird, there is an error message saying something like Message contains bare newlines. To exclude the chance of the message having got killed by the transfer, I just checked the copy stored in sent messages same symptom. Attachment there, but not displayed in HTML. To check, you can download a somewhat anonymised version of the message here: haTETePe://www.vergangen.de/data/thebat/2012-08-08%20saved-HTML-message-created-by-tb.eml Is this a valid issue? -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.8: HTML message with inline image created by TB - inline image not displayed in TheBat!
Hello Christoph, Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 4:10:53 PM, you wrote: Unfortunately, the inline image is not being displayed in the same program. [...] Attachment there, but not displayed in HTML. Confirmed even for newsletters with inline pictures. TB! just shows an red cross (not found) placeholder. You are completely right - the symptom is actually completely the same as one I have also earlier described with HTML newsletters (that triggered the association for me :) ). Another funny detail is that when I *forward* such a message, the images miraculously re-appear in the forwarding editor. Tried it just now. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.8: HTML message with inline image created by TB - inline image not displayed in TheBat!
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 7:13:01 PM, you wrote: TF Not confirmed with 5.1.6.7. I hope the attached screenshot comes through. The inline image displays fine when using the internal HTML viewer. show. This is a known bug in the viewer implementation, which has nothing to do with sending. I know it has nothing to do with sending - I could see the problem with both a received message and one I have sent - and there both in the sent mail copy (wich has not been traveling anywhere) and a CC I sent to myself. I can confirm your point about the MSIE viewer: I was not aware that it was activated in my copy of TheBat! and, indeed, when I switch back to the internal viewer, everything shows all right. That probably makes this issue closed. Thanks for pointing out the real issue. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.2.1.2 (BETA)
Running here. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.2.1.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB 5.2.1.2 (but also present in previous build): sender blank in inbox message list (it shows in message detail though) for certain messages
Hello TB-BETA, I have noticed this strange behavior with several messages that I have sent to myself, while forging the sender address to be my Gmail account. The issue: the sender field seems blank for these messages in the message list, though it does show in the message detail. Apparent cause: Sender address in the form m...@domain.tld m...@domain.tld ie repeating the bare mail address in both the name and address token of the address. I can reproduce that anytime, just sending myself a message with sender formed as above. I have prepared some anonymised screenshots and will gladly supply the original messages upon request. Though, as last test shows, it has nothing to do with the Google addresses etc...it's probably purely the form of the sender address. HaTeTePe:www.vergangen.de/data/thebat/2012-09-14%20TBBeta%20From%20Field%20Empty.png Does TB! get confused by something particular with sender formed like this? Or is this form of the address illegal for some reason? A V4 installation shows these messages correctly. It showed like this at least in the last build and now in the current 5.2.1.2 Anyone any ideas? Thank you in advance! -- Best regards, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.2.1.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.2.1.2 (but also present in previous build): sender blank ininbox message list (it shows in message detail though) forcertain messages
Hallo Uwe, Sorry Viktor, I just tested it with my Gmail account and it works without problems. how did your sender look like, exactly? With me, it can be any address, only it must be entered as, say, viktort...@kabelac.cz viktort...@kabelac.cz The problem is not related to Google, it only was a forged gmail address I first noticed it with. My email provider is 11 ... and there I can always reproduce it, now just as end of last week. I will test it wit some more providers tomorrow. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:kabe...@rar.cz Current beta is 5.2.1.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.2.1.2 (but also present in previous build): sender blank ininbox message list (it shows in message detail though) forcertain messages
Hi Uwe, Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 12:31:45 AM, you wrote: how did your sender look like, exactly? With me, it can be any address, It looks exactly like in your example - and is correctly shown in the message list (I've sent you the source of my test case in personal mail). thanks for your test. After some more testing I am even more confused. Apparently it IS being provoked by addresses in the form I mentioned and, in the account in question (German 11 IMAP), it also happens with the sender (also shown blank if in that form). So it seems to be a general thing of reading the addresses and showing them in the message list. Though exporting such a message or storing its source and reimpoirting seemingly fixes it. In another (POP3) account the problem does not occur at all. So I cannot deliver a sample that is sure to exhibit that behavior, I only see it in my TB! :( Is there a way to get a message out in its *verbatim* form, not altered by any output filter or so, or can only RIT debug the mail parsing and maybe see something there? A question I ask myself every now and then: is it enough to report an issue here for RIT to notice it, or do I definitely need to create a record in the bugtracker for a topic to be noticed? Thank you all! -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.2.1.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.2.1.2 (but also present in previous build): sender blank ininbox message list (it shows in message detail though) forcertain messages
Hello Ivan, Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 11:02:27 AM, you wrote: Is there a way to get a message out in its *verbatim* form, not altered by any output filter or so, or can only RIT debug the mail parsing and maybe see something there? F9 Thanks. I used to do Ctrl+Shifk+K to show all headers and deem that the source code. A text compare between that output and that of F9 seem to be two additional line breaks between the headers and the text in the F9 source. No differences in the headers themselves. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.2.1.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.2.2 MSI
Hello Rick, Monday, September 24, 2012, 5:26:02 PM, you wrote: Hello Rick, Monday, September 24, 2012, 4:14:26 PM, among other things, you wrote: R http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-2-2.msi Installed without any problem. I was not prompted to reboot. I am on XP - perhaps that is the difference. It isn't a problem for me. (well a reboot is ALWAYS irksome, but other installs require it also) :))) I am on XP too and there was no reboot prompt. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.2.1.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.3.1.0
Hello Maxim, UR with me. [!] Quick reply in the main window Ctrl+Enter inserts a line break instead of sending the message. Hitting the send button does it though. I am missing a quick way to show/hide the quick reply pane (a cross directly on it, something in View menu or the QR pane context menu). Thew only way as for now seems that in the Settings area. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.3.1.0
Hello Roger, Tuesday, September 25, 2012, 10:22:41 AM, you wrote: Right click on the QP pane and use QP settings. Yes, that is the settings dialog then. But it's 2 levels deeper than would be nice, and when the pane is hidden, you again need to go to Settings/Preferences, find the right section etc. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.3.1.0
RP My first message was sent using the 'Send' button, just as a test. RP This one I will try to send usinr 'Ctrl+Enter'. RP I am disappointed that there seems no way to create a template which RP could allow the usual signature details etc. You can set a template for the quick reply in account properties. All the usual macros are available there. The only thing to take care of is that you insert the macro %QBODY in your template at that place where you want the text entered in the quick reply pane to appear. rant that promptes me to a question: what is the sense of the QR anyway? As I see it, it saves the user exactly one Ctrl+Enter (that starts a reply dialog today) and adds complexity hassle. I'd be really interested on the size of the wishbase such eye-candy functions have that keep the author/s from fixing much more basic flaws. /rant -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v5.3.1 Forwarding several messages to one address forwards as ATTACHMENTS
Hello Rick, Tuesday, September 25, 2012, 3:38:08 PM, you wrote: This is new behavior: When Forwarding several messages to one address forwards as ATTACHMENTS However, that sounds reasonable to me; how else should several messages at once be forwarded? -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.3.1.0 Quick reply
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 5:53:27 PM, you wrote: TF test It was mentioned somewhere in this thread, but I cannot find it: How do I toggle this feature off? It uses screen space. I am not Right-click the QR bar, choose Configure quick reply, tick off Show Quick reply (tmp). Or visit Settinge/Preferences, then clock the last node in the tree (Other...) and there it is. -- Viktor Current beta is 5.3.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v5.3.1 Forwarding several messages to one address forwards as ATTACHMENTS
Hello Rick, Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 3:02:52 PM, you wrote: This is new behavior: When Forwarding several messages to one address forwards as ATTACHMENTS However, that sounds reasonable to me; how else should several messages at once be forwarded? Try highlighting several messages and forward them. It opens a window that allows you to send them to one address or open several windows (or attach as MIME) Hmm, although the way it functions now is how I would expect it to function (this is now I use that feature in Thunderbird), you are right - TB 4 did give you the choice to forward them all to one address or open up in separate editors. I wonder why the authors didn't just add the third option to it (forward as attachments). Also the message that ultimately makes it to the text of the joint message is the last message selected...probably the first would be more logical and a choice to the user even better. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v5.3.1 Forwarding several messages to one address forwards as ATTACHMENTS
Hello Rick, Thursday, September 27, 2012, 3:48:09 PM, you wrote: VK is the last message selected...probably the first would be more logical VK and a choice to the user even better. Agreed! Great thoughts. Actually, if you pick MIME they should go out as attachments. The former corrected behavior was that each message would go out in the default How do I pick MIME? In the present state, I do not get any choices to pick from. If you mean pick non-text mail messages, then I'd disagree - the forwarding style should not depend upon magic. Also, the current behavior seems correct, it just drops previously available freedom of choice... So why not just say, the user gets a choice (as in previous versions) whether he wants to forward the messages in separate new messages and edit them individually, or if we wants to send them as attachments in one message. If I could, in addition, select the message to be used as text of the joint message, that's be the cherry-on-top-of-cake for me. That way all styles would be possible - I could send one messages with attachments to an informed recipient and separate messages to my mother. I cannot say anything about if the sending works, didn't actually try to send the email flood. Never used such a feature in the separate messages mode, out of respect to recipients :) -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v5.3.1 Forwarding several messages to one address forwards as ATTACHMENTS
Hello Rick, Thursday, September 27, 2012, 4:13:31 PM, you wrote: So why not just say, the user gets a choice (as in previous versions) whether he wants to forward the messages in separate new messages and edit them individually, or if we wants to send them as attachments in one message. If I could, in addition, select the message to be used as text of the joint message, that's be the cherry-on-top-of-cake for me. If you highlight and then forward several messages, a window should open asking you to pick between opening separate editor windows, sending as attachments and sending all to one address Yes, that's about what I meant too. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup Violation in 3.2.2 beta
Hello Richard, confirmed here too. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.3.2.3 Source view is unreadable
Hello Zygmunt, Thursday, October 18, 2012, 11:22:46 PM, you wrote: Can you check the message source view by pressing F9 key? It is completely unreadable, similar to display of binary file in text editor. This bug appeared in previous version and may be it is associated with OTFE mode. Looks texty readable to me. With quoted-printable or otherwise encoded messages, I see the ciphertext (which is desirable for the source text viewer), but with plain text one, I see text. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.2.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Source View: Message-ID sometimes to colored correctly
Hello Vilius, Message-ID: trinity-e379746a-d1b7-41a8-801f-b56e2e1b29a0- 1352796933847@3capp-webde-bs49 That's because it is invalid ID. It doesn't conform to RFC822 specification. You probably wouldn't volunteer to elaborate as to exactly what is wrong with it right away without being asked explicitly? :) -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.2.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FR: a macro for software edition
Hello Vilmos, I think it would be a complete waste of time of the developers. Who cares about if TB Home or TB Prof is used... It would unnecessarily increase the code. well, for this purpose, who cares about that *version* of TheBat! is used or whether it's TheBat! at all? I suppose the target group is almost the same. So if we have a macro for the version, how would one for the edition be a complete waste uf resources? Of course, TheBat! has a lot of eye candy that, some may feel, is being developed on cost of deeper and more substantial problems/functions, but that is a more general question, not one of a particular feature. BTW., your message somehow became a HTML one. -- Cheers, Viktor Current beta is 5.3.2.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 5.3.6.0 on Win7
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 4:04:39 AM, you wrote: TF Just upgraded my Windows and have two problems: TF 1.) TheBat does not flap any more when there are unread messages. RO It did flap here, but it stopped flapping as soon as I pinned it to RO the task bar. And as I consider it more convenient to have it pinned RO to the task bar I accepted the non flapping as the price to pay. I did not flap from the beginning. I have now pinned it to the taskbar too, so that seems to be normal... :-( I'll submit a bug report with minor priority when I have the time. I have to say it flaps for me though - pinned or not (while a thing stopping flapping when pinned somewhere wouldn't sound that unlogical - maybe RIT wanted us to feel a touch of real life :) ). I am using TB! 5.3.6.0 and Windows 7 Prof German. TF 2.) I cannot see the To header, even though it is selected (see TF attached screenshot). Toggling did the trick! I toggled Organisation on and off, and toggled TO off and on, and now everything is shown as desired. Thanks for the tip. All headers I was used to were there for me right from the start. My process when upgrading windows was copying the registry branch from the old computer. I am doing it this way for some time now and never got problems (except for paths needing to be fixed of course) -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.4.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.3.8.6
The Bat! 5.3.8.6 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5386.rar UR here too -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.8.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.3.8.7
Hello Maxim, runs fine here too. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.8.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hunspell Tab Options Greyed Out
Hello tux-, Saturday, April 20, 2013, 7:42:19 PM, you wrote: Steve Harris schrob am Samstag, 20. April 2013 um 19:40 Zeit: Can I just ask are all the options under the Hunspell tab (spell check options) supposed to be greyed out? Yes they are. Formally a correct answer, no doubt about that... -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.3.8.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: From pop3 to Imap
Hello Mark, I believe that IS possible. You can change from POP3 to any of the advanced protocols. It's apparently not possible to downgrade though (I guess because advanced structures are created in the account for those protocols and removing them isn't possible without loss of data created in the meantime...?). For me at least, for all POP3 accounts, I can go to Account/Properties/Transport, then in the second block (Receiving messages) on the right there is a Change protocol button. It doesn't appear for IMAP accounts for the reason stated above. The texts may be different for you, I am not looking at an English TheBat! but a Czech one so I am just guessing the English labels. -- Cheers, Viktor Current beta is 5.3.8.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: From pop3 to Imap
...on a second reading, maybe I'd better read your question more thoroughly the first time...:) Please disregard my answer in case you have found that button, used it and got a different dialog than expected. -- Cheers, V. Current beta is 5.3.8.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't send from POP
Hello Eddie, Dear all, I can't send from my POP due to an Error that says: Too Many Unauthenticated commands What does this mean? See Log below. you are almost certainly not sending anything through your POP. You are sending via SMTP. '| Mon 02. Sep 2013, 19:34:36: SEND - authenticating (plain)... '| Mon 02. Sep 2013, 19:34:38: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 t9sm15660643pba.46 - gsmtp '| Mon 02. Sep 2013, 19:34:38: SEND - authenticating (login)... '| Mon 02. Sep 2013, 19:34:39: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 t9sm15660643pba.46 - gsmtp '| Mon 02. Sep 2013, 19:34:39: SEND - WARNING: there were no compatible authentication mechanisms detected '|Mon 02. Sep 2013, 19:34:39: SEND - sending message to xx...@xx.com '| !Mon 02. Sep 2013, 19:34:39: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: 5.5.1 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 t9sm15660643pba.46 - gsmtp '| !Mon 02. Sep 2013, 19:34:40: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: 5.7.0 Too Many Unauthenticated commands. t9sm15660643pba.46 - gsmtp Have you tried to read the Google support topic linked in the responses? They offer several possible problem causes - such as that you aren't using the correct user name when authenticating for SMTP. What is your setting in the outgoing mail server area - do you have the login data entered there too (of so, double-check it's correct), or do you have it set to like when downloading mail (which is usually smarter, if the login data is the same, as it prevents errors)? The final message obviously says you have tried too often - that is most likely only a consequence of the problem, not the cause. Cheers, -- Viktor Relabelmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.4.2.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5.8
Hello Maxim, up and running here. Thanks! -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion: The Bat! for Android
Hello Dierk, that's of course one of the tings that would be nice, but such a development would have nothing to do with TheBat! except for a similar icon and the fact that both somehow are mail clients. Unlike with Voyager, the synergy of the two would be close to 0. Basically, RITLabs would have to launch a brand new Android development team and create - from scratch - a whole new program. Do they have so much free resources? If so, I, personally, would rather like to see them used for a stable TheBat! There are several players on Android now, whose advantage would take a lot of resources to catch up with. -- Cheers, Viktor mailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Please try 5.8.2 MSI files
Hello Maxim, Thursday, September 26, 2013, 11:50:24 PM, you wrote: Could you please test The Bat! v5.8.2 MSI files: Running fine here. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion: The Bat! for Android
Hello NetVicious, Tuesday, October 1, 2013, 12:46:43 AM, you wrote: lunes, 30 sep 2013 at 10:47, it seems you wrote: Basically, RITLabs would have to launch a brand new Android development team and create - from scratch - a whole new program. There exist a Delphi Android RAD application [1] Yes, this is what I feared most when writing the original message. ;) I hope RitLabs will not go this way, because porting PC code using a RAD tool to a very limited system with very specific development needs (and Linux-based, while the original platform is Windows) cannot result in anything good. That approach would probably be OK for an advertising App showing but a few HTML pages - but not for a program that does a lot itself and needs to use as much as possible of the possible host platform features. If a Thebat for Android is to be a good and efficient program, it must also be written for Android and not just bent. And with that in mind, I think there are players who are trying to do that for some time already and I prefer unlessened development power for TheBat! rather to share it with a new experimental app. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.33
Hello Maxim, Monday, July 10, 2017, 10:46:02 AM, you wrote: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741633-32.rar U, although the "not enough memory" on HTML images load button guy seems back. It happens for attached message, with this one: Date: 10 Jul 2017 17:08:36 OS: Windows 7 Professional SP1 X64 (AMD or Intel) build 7601 PhysMemFreeTotal: 4095/4095 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 182/2047 MB MAPI #0: Microsoft Outlook [Microsoft Outlook]; Path: C:\PROGRA~3\MICROS~1\Office14\OLMAPI32.DLL (valid) MAPI #1: Mozilla Thunderbird [Mozilla Thunderbird]; Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Thunderbird\mozMapi32_InUse.dll (valid) MAPI #2: Opera [Opera]; Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\mapi\OperaMAPI.dll (valid) MAPI #3: The Bat! [The Bat!]; Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\The Bat!\tbmapi32.dll (valid) MAPI #4: [Windows Mail]; Path: (not valid) Default Profile: Outlook Address: 004CF882 ClassName: EThread Message: Thread creation error: FŘr diesen Befehl ist nicht genŘgend Speicher verfŘgbar IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 ? C:\Program Files (x86)\The Bat!\thebat32.exe Stack: 004CF882 [0040] 004CF87D [0040] 00C83AD2 [0040] 00C847FB [0040] 00C8497D [0040] 0127BA84 [0040] 01273157 [0040] 0076D65E [0040] 007C89EB [0040] 0076D536 [0040] 004D3070 [0040] 00670ABF [0040] 00670B02 [0040] 00670E35 [0040] 01519B00 [0040] 0040B97F [0040] 01541CFC [0040] -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz --- Begin Message --- GMX Strom + Prämie: Sicher & einfach wechseln == Lieber Herr Kleeene, Angst vor einem Stromanbieterwechsel? Das muss nicht sein. Der Wechsel zu GMX Strom ist schnell und unkompliziert – denn wir übernehmen den kompletten Wechsel für Sie. Zögern Sie also nicht länger! Sparen Sie monatlich bares Geld mit unserem Strom Kombi Tarif von GMX und sichern Sie sich zusätzlich noch eine attraktive Prämie. Für jeden ist etwas Passendes dabei, zum Beispiel das neueste iPad, ein Samsung Tablet oder ein Panasonic Smart TV. Nutzen Sie die Gelegenheit! https://energie.gmx.de/strom-kombi?mc=05570066 Das bietet Ihnen der Strom Kombi Tarif: * 100 % Ökostrom * Wir erledigen den kompletten Wechsel für Sie * Sicher und transparent, mit TÜV-geprüfter Qualität * Inklusive attraktiver Prämie Sie sehen, der Wechsel zu GMX Strom ist kinderleicht: Wir erledigen die Formalitäten, Sie sparen bares Geld und erhalten noch eine attraktive Prämie obendrauf! In der Grundversorgung beträgt Ihre Kündigungsfrist nur 2 Wochen. Entscheiden Sie sich für den GMX Strom Kombi Tarif und wechseln Sie jetzt! https://energie.gmx.de/strom-kombi?mc=05570066 Weitere günstige GMX Stromtarife: == GMX Strom Bonus • Attraktiver Neukundenbonus • Bis zu 350 € sparen • 12 Monate Preisgarantie Zum Angebot https://energie.gmx.de/strom/gmxnet_bonus_2?mc=05570069 GMX Strom Flex • Flexibel und dauerhaft günstig • Monatlich kündbar • Mit Ökostrom-Option Zum Angebot https://energie.gmx.de/strom-flex?mc=05570068 == Telefonische Beratung 0721 / 9605 867 Zu Ihren Festnetzkonditionen. Sie erreichen uns: Montag bis Freitag von 08:00 bis 20:00 Uhr Samstag von 09:00 bis 20:00 Uhr == Bei dieser E-Mail handelt es sich um eine automatisch versendete Nachricht. Eine Antwort auf diese E-Mail ist nicht möglich, da die Absenderadresse nur zum Nachrichtenversand eingerichtet ist. GMX Kundenservice https://kontakt.gmx.net/index.html Zum Impressum http://www.gmx.net/impressum/ == GMX FreeMail © 1&1 Mail & Media GmbH 2017 Hauptsitz Montabaur, Amtsgericht Montabaur, HRB 7666 Geschäftsführer: Christian Genis Bigatà Joseph, Jan Oetjen --- End Message --- Current beta is 7.4.16.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.32
Hi Maxim, Thursday, July 6, 2017, 9:15:07 PM, you wrote: > The Bat! 7.4.16.32 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741632-32.rar U Thank you! -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 7.4.16.32 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.36
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 12:24:46 PM, you wrote: > The Bat! 7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741636-32.rar Upon first start, when I denied TheBat! the alpha version confirmation (yes, that's how bold I am! :) ), I got an exception. Reproduced twice: Sorry, the minidump file seems gone now :( v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:02:21.895 StartupMgr:StartTheBat EAbort Operation aborted v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:02:21.933 StartupMgr:StoreUserChangesOnExit EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0051930C in module 'thebat32.exe'. Read of address 77C7FFFB v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:02:56.603 StartupMgr:StartTheBat EAbort Operation aborted v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:02:56.607 StartupMgr:StoreUserChangesOnExit EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0051930C in module 'thebat32.exe'. Read of address 77C7FFFB v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:04:02.907 StartupMgr:StartTheBat EAbort Operation aborted v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:04:02.910 StartupMgr:StoreUserChangesOnExit EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0051930C in module 'thebat32.exe'. Read of address 77C7FFFB Then, after the next start, on which I accepted that query, I got another exception: The third start worked so far...until now another exception came (right now, just after saving this draft), which left the program still running: I see no exceptions in the log for the latter two. Cheers, Viktor -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 7.4.16.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.36
Hello Maxim, Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 12:24:46 PM, you wrote: my first message seems hanging somewhere (could it be that someone takes moderation and insisting on message sized extremely seriously?). So, another attempt right here... > The Bat! 7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741636-32.rar Upon first start, when I denied TheBat! the alpha version confirmation (yes, that's how bold I am! :) ), I got an exception. Reproduced twice: Sorry, the minidump file seems gone now :( v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:02:21.895 StartupMgr:StartTheBat EAbort Operation aborted v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:02:21.933 StartupMgr:StoreUserChangesOnExit EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0051930C in module 'thebat32.exe'. Read of address 77C7FFFB v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:02:56.603 StartupMgr:StartTheBat EAbort Operation aborted v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:02:56.607 StartupMgr:StoreUserChangesOnExit EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0051930C in module 'thebat32.exe'. Read of address 77C7FFFB v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:04:02.907 StartupMgr:StartTheBat EAbort Operation aborted v7.4.16.36 (ALPHA) 32-bit MORPHIA/kabelac 18.07.2017 14:04:02.910 StartupMgr:StoreUserChangesOnExit EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0051930C in module 'thebat32.exe'. Read of address 77C7FFFB Then, after the next start, on which I accepted that query, I got another exception: The third start worked so far...until now another exception came (right now, just after saving this draft, same message as im image above - 77c7fffb), which left the program still running. I see no exceptions in the log for the latter two. Cheers, Viktor -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 7.4.16.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.40
Hello Maxim, Friday, July 21, 2017, 6:59:11 AM, you wrote: > The Bat! 7.4.16.40 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741640-32.rar This one again crashes on first start for me. I will send you the minidump data off list. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 7.4.16.40 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.44
Hello Maxim, Monday, July 24, 2017, 5:51:05 PM, you wrote: > The Bat! 7.4.16.44 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741644-32.rar Ups and runs for me, so far :) -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 7.4.16.44 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.43
Hello again! More precisely for > The message thread collapse state doesn't seem to be kept when another > account is activated in the meantime. > It was in this Tb Beta folder: > - open this subthread > - check my main account > - return here the behavior doesn't occur when a deeper message in a thread is selected. - Have only the top level message of a thread (here typically Maxim's one) selected or be on one thread and open another one - change to another folder - return => thread is not open - Open a thread and select a message within - leave, return => thread stays open and message selected -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 7.4.16.43 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 7.4.16.45
Hello Maxim, Thursday, July 27, 2017, 1:35:12 PM, you wrote: > The Bat! 7.4.16.45 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb741645-32.rar Up and running here. Trying to test Jerry's report, changing the proofing languages doesn't crash for me, but most of the languages do not seem to activate. I had German, US English and Czech selected, *none* of them recognized the corresponding words, which is used to during my tests just a few betas back. Only the German "new spelling" and "old spelling" versions recognize some words. None of the orhet languages, in whatever constellation. The plain "German" doesn't either. I'll try to rever to an older version if anything changs in that regard. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 7.4.16.45 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
