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if it hasn't already been made plain, i am seconding the nomination for FSCK. i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Ross Day wrote: The club could be called Free Software Club for short...which is a perfectly legitimate and professional name... It's just as good as the FSA suggestion... I'm officially seconding the Free Software Club (FSC). Also, since others seemed to want it, I'll nominate Kirksville Association for Free Software (KAFS). ~Mike - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 12:34:27PM -0500, Caleb Jorden wrote: > Well, now that the mailing list is working for me again, I would like to > second the name Osix. I think that the Osix group is just a cool name. > We don't necessarily have to have a name which stands for something. I > like Osix, as it is a name in the spirit of Linux itself. What does > everyone else think? > > - Caleb. I think that it has been nominated and seconded, so it'll be on the ballot at least. Don -- Don Bindner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Well, now that the mailing list is working for me again, I would like to second the name Osix. I think that the Osix group is just a cool name. We don't necessarily have to have a name which stands for something. I like Osix, as it is a name in the spirit of Linux itself. What does everyone else think? - Caleb. On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 12:13, Alexander Horn wrote: > Wow, I never imagined that this name issue could become so big. You > guys have cool ideas and some really good thoughts on that issue. > That's awesome! > > I had a different idea and now I wanna know what you guys think. > > osix > > more or less saying: Open-Source and Unix (or Open-Source and Linux or > both) > > alex > > - > To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with Subject: unsubscribe > - > - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Wow, I never imagined that this name issue could become so big. You guys have cool ideas and some really good thoughts on that issue. That's awesome! I had a different idea and now I wanna know what you guys think. osix more or less saying: Open-Source and Unix (or Open-Source and Linux or both) alex - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Jay Belanger wrote: I don't believe for a second that the third meaning didn't play a role in it's suggestion. Definitely true...but it was also definitely the third meaning to come to mind...behind the acronym and it being a *nix command. My seven year old daughter is beyond the "Tee-hee, I said a bad word" stage; I hoped we were, too. A valid point...if it actually were a "bad word"... FSCK...is not. As is fairly clear from the confusion in the discussion, it's not really a word at all...good or bad. It's not like we suggested calling the club "Stallman's Hitman In Truman". (I'll leave the acronym as an exercise for the reader.) R.Day - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Donald J Bindner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > That it has some level of shock value is of secondary benefit. But a touted benefit nonetheless. Jay - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Ross Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > Jay Belanger wrote: >> The (intentional?) double meaning here would get out (I don't think >> it'd be too much of an in-joke for long), > > The _Intentional_ double meaning is that it means both File System > Checker and Free Software Club in Kirksville... If you wish to construe > a third meaning on to it, then it should move beyond the "double > meaning". Fine; triple meaning. It should be noted that I wasn't the one to bring up the third meaning, and reasons for having the third meaning attached have also been brought up. I don't believe for a second that the third meaning didn't play a role in it's suggestion. My seven year old daughter is beyond the "Tee-hee, I said a bad word" stage; I hoped we were, too. Jay - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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better we be child-like and juvenile with whimsical cleverness than perpetually middle-aged. i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 09:39:11AM -0500, Jay Belanger wrote: > Even though it can be argued that it would then be misread, using this > as a replacement for the dreaded f-word is a standard thing to do, and > it has already been pointed out that this would be a way to thumb our > noses at the university. The double meaning here, I think, is > intentional, and as someone else pointed out, is juvenile. > The (intentional?) double meaning here would get out (I don't think > it'd be too much of an in-joke for long), and given that geeks have a > juvenile enough image as it is, I don't think this would be helping > matters. I think the _intentional_ double meaning here is the reference to an essential Unix/Linux command, in essence referring back to our Linux history. That it has some level of shock value is of secondary benefit. Outside of the SlashDot/Linux community, I don't regularly see fsck as a euphemism for an expletive. I expect f*ck is more common, or even [EMAIL PROTECTED] (as sometimes seen in cartoons) I expect, like other things, the shock will wear away. Then it will be merely the abbreviation of the Free Software Club. The intentional geek-joke about Unix/Linux will survive. Don -- Don Bindner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Jay Belanger wrote: The (intentional?) double meaning here would get out (I don't think it'd be too much of an in-joke for long), The _Intentional_ double meaning is that it means both File System Checker and Free Software Club in Kirksville... If you wish to construe a third meaning on to it, then it should move beyond the "double meaning". Even with this third meaning hacked on, two out of three would be meaningful and good...and as Meatloaf said, "Two out of three ain't bad." > and given that geeks have a juvenile enough image as it is, I don't > think this would be helping matters. Geeks have a juvenile image because they are, in fact, geeky. Embracing the not-well-known technical concepts (even including Linux) makes the geeks seem awkward and isolated. HEAVEN FORBID a bit of a sense of humor be shown...that'd be too normal. Geeks are geeks because they act geeky, not just because other people think they are. -- --- Ross Day ITS Web Integration VP, Truman ACM/IEEE 660.785.5218 660.785.4414 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Mike Goodspeed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > Second, FSCK is a gigantic "in-joke". I don't see this as any sort of a problem, as long as it stands up well to someone not in on the joke. > Third, despite the possible head turns at sidewalk chalk time, let's > call a spade a spade -- people are going to read this as fuck. Is that > something you want yourself associated with at an academic level? Dr. > Beck? Dr. Bindner? Dr. Belanger? No, I don't. Even though it can be argued that it would then be misread, using this as a replacement for the dreaded f-word is a standard thing to do, and it has already been pointed out that this would be a way to thumb our noses at the university. The double meaning here, I think, is intentional, and as someone else pointed out, is juvenile. The (intentional?) double meaning here would get out (I don't think it'd be too much of an in-joke for long), and given that geeks have a juvenile enough image as it is, I don't think this would be helping matters. My two cents. Jay - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Peter Snoblin wrote: The fallacy here revolves around the people who will never see an explanation. Unless you want to put something like this on every thing that bears FSCK: "* File System Checker, a well known UNIX/UNIX like Operating System tool." A bit awkward, yes? IMHO, TSLUG posters have always had this problem. So many would see them and have no clue what "Linux" meant or any of the distro names that were on the poster, so it's the same problem...yet TSLUG posters didn't have a "Linux is an alternative operating system...blah blah blah..." Sorry if I'm coming off a bit abbrasively. It's late, I'm tired. And I'm trying hard to not react to what seems to me, at least, to be a fairly confrontational tone... Tired at 11:59pm...it's prime-time for the TSLUG list! -- --- Ross Day ITS Web Integration VP, Truman ACM/IEEE 660.785.5218 660.785.4414 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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iosif wrote (Thursday 02 September 2004 11:15 pm): > 2. for those who don't get the principle: Phi Sigma Pi, often > abbreviated (in both writing and the spoken language) PSP, > Pan-Hellenic Council is shortened to NPC, and the Public Broadcasting > Service and National Broadcasting Company are of course PBS and NBC. > no vowels. they're fine. where did this fixation on vowels spring > up? For those who miss the point, by spelling it out, vowels are INTRODUCED. pEE ess pEE. en pEE cEE. pEE bEE ess. en bEE cEE. Now do you see? Additionally, this fixation on vowels comes from being an English speaker. Nt hvng thm mks thngs bt hrd t ndrstnd, ys? > 3. those who don't know what the FSCK means will in about 10 > seconds, after which they will have *learned something*. The fallacy here revolves around the people who will never see an explanation. Unless you want to put something like this on every thing that bears FSCK: "* File System Checker, a well known UNIX/UNIX like Operating System tool." A bit awkward, yes? > > 4. sorry if FSCK is somehow a detriment to anyone's "image". *shrug* To each, his own. As I clearly said, that was just my personal feeling on a name that quickly calls profanity to mind. > > 5. this resume nonsense has got to stop. Free Software Club in > Kirksville, even abbreviated (which should never ever happen on a > resume anyway) FSCK, is not some sine qua non for failing to get a > job, even in a magical contingency world of horrors. I didn't say "OMGWTF You won't get a job if we make the name FSCK!!!11" Just trying to draw a fairly realistic scenario in which the name could be seen as a detriment. > 6. FSA is already taken: Federal Student Aid, Farm Security/Service > Administration/Agency, Finite State Automaton...KAFS is better but > without the media-genic charm and all the aesthetics of a soviet > worker housing block. KLUG has something going for it, but still > leaves the whole linux/gnu issue in place. FSCK is the most > beautiful in solving all these problems. You forgot Fabless Semiconductor Association. And Full Speed Ahead. And The Financial Services Authority. And Food Standards Agency. But, I'm really failing to see what FSA has to do with this. I'm not saying "N Don't pick FSCK! Then the option that I nominated can't win! OH NOEZ!" I'm just saying that there are some serious concerns about the name that need to be addressed. However, I'll still take the opertunity to say, "So what?" to your FSA points. It's not like we have anything to do with agriculture or student aid. Or fabless semiconductors. Et cetera. I have to confess I don't really see anything communist or soviet about KAFS, but, *shrugs.* I'll give you, FSCK is a good name, in a lot of regards. Its catchy, it means something, and all the other things that have been pointed out. But at the same time, it introduces a lot of potential problems. Sorry if I'm coming off a bit abbrasively. It's late, I'm tired. And I'm trying hard to not react to what seems to me, at least, to be a fairly confrontational tone... -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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iosif wrote: the eff-sock pronunciation brings it back down to 2 for the syllabically ephemerous, on par with the efficiency of a spoken TSLUG. Not to mention how beautiful it would be once we all started "to eff-sock" as a verb. :p "Tired of Windows crashing? Want to know more about Linux? Eff-sock it!" R.Day - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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the eff-sock pronunciation brings it back down to 2 for the syllabically ephemerous, on par with the efficiency of a spoken TSLUG. i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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1. if people want they can say fsssk, but some people have already objected to that. FS-check takes no longer to pronounce than FSC or any other 3 letter combination. granted, TSLUG was only 2 syllables. 2. for those who don't get the principle: Phi Sigma Pi, often abbreviated (in both writing and the spoken language) PSP, Pan-Hellenic Council is shortened to NPC, and the Public Broadcasting Service and National Broadcasting Company are of course PBS and NBC. no vowels. they're fine. where did this fixation on vowels spring up? 3. those who don't know what the FSCK means will in about 10 seconds, after which they will have *learned something*. 4. sorry if FSCK is somehow a detriment to anyone's "image". 5. this resume nonsense has got to stop. Free Software Club in Kirksville, even abbreviated (which should never ever happen on a resume anyway) FSCK, is not some sine qua non for failing to get a job, even in a magical contingency world of horrors. 6. FSA is already taken: Federal Student Aid, Farm Security/Service Administration/Agency, Finite State Automaton...KAFS is better but without the media-genic charm and all the aesthetics of a soviet worker housing block. KLUG has something going for it, but still leaves the whole linux/gnu issue in place. FSCK is the most beautiful in solving all these problems. i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 10:37:25PM -0500, Peter Snoblin wrote: > iosif wrote (Thursday 02 September 2004 10:12 pm): > > 1. it's pronounced something like F.S.-check, as in, "there's an F S > > check meeting tonight, and man it has a cool name". as for lacking > > vowels, a lot of abbreviations and organizations do fine without: > > BBB, PBK, PKP, and even student senate with the dreaded SS. > > Well, from everything I've seen/heard most people do actually say it > fsssk. Sure, it stands for the File System Checker, but why say > something long like "FS-Check" when fsssk is so much faster. Also, > most, if not all, of the examples you give are spelled out when said, > eg. Bee Bee Bee, Pee Bee Kay, &c. Eff Ess Cee Kay just don't have a > good ring to it, or so it seems to me. Actually, as I understood it, the pronunciation was eff-sock. A bit of Googling would seem to put that in the minority though. I told my wife about the name when I read it on the list. Her non-geek opinion was that it was pretty funny and that it serves Truman right for being so weird about the name thing. To her credit she has seen many an fsck during boot, so some of the humer was apparent to her. However, the name will last a lot longer than any nose-thumbing about the name change, so let the merit or de-merit of the name itself be the deciding criterion. As for having my name on a poster with FSCK... Doesn't bother me a bit. Other faculty will have to decide their own opinions of course. It's a great name for a server too. -- Don Bindner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Well, from everything I've seen/heard most people do actually say it fsssk. Sure, it stands for the File System Checker, but why say something long like "FS-Check" when fsssk is so much faster. Also, most, if not all, of the examples you give are spelled out when said, eg. Bee Bee Bee, Pee Bee Kay, &c. Eff Ess Cee Kay just don't have a good ring to it, or so it seems to me. Free Software Club is only four syllables and is perfectly easy to pronounce and IMHO clearly states the realm of the organization's interest. Yes, it is an actual command, so people who have experience with UNIX like operating systems will know what it means. But what about the beginner who's only used KDE/GNOME? Or the prospective user who hasn't a clue about the low level stuff like that? So, it's not "inside" as in "about 10 people," but it is in terms of the whole population. The concept of a File System Checker is exactly the same as the chkdsk(Check Disk) or scandisk that most Windows users are used to...remember, we're about introducing them to new alternatives... We want them "in on it." See my notes above. Fsssk doesn't have any vowels in it, really. The Ss are just a soft sound seperating the beginning of the word from the hard stop of the K. This obsession with pronouncing it by the acronym is mind-boggling to me... I'm pretty sure the "Sig Taus" don't ever say call them STG or try to stay "stugh" for it. The Beta Beta Beta organization mentioned by Iosif goes by "Tri-Beta" similarly to Sigma Sigma Sigma... Only Tau Kappa Epsilon has a remotely pronounceable abbreviation. Plenty of Truman organizations get along fine just using their full name... The way I see this issue has to do with the image that we, as a group, portray. If I, as person knowing a lot about this knowledge domain, saw a group called FSCK, I would have a reaction along the lines of, "Funny, but fairly juvenile." And personally, thats not an image I want associated with myself or a group I'm involved in. That's personal opinion...most of us don't want to be associated with a country run by a guy like Bush, but that's life. As someone who gets the joke, you should be positive and think it's funny and not be negative because there's a chance others wouldn't. This is a valid point, though I fail to see what being a "big kid" has to do with it... However, consider this scenario: You're in an interview, talking about your school experience. FSCK is brought up. You go off talking about it, and accidently refer to it as "FSCK." Yes, a silly slipup, but given that this would be how you had thought of it for the past four or so years, understandable. The interviewer says, "Excuse me!" You don't get the job. In short, even if you don't put it on your resume, it may very well come up in any number of ways. And if it comes up, you're again faced with the trouble of explaining what the fsck "FSCK" is. First of all, I (and Iosif) have already stated that the club could go by the full name of Free Software Club (in Kirksville). Even if it were to come up in an interview, would you not refer to it once by that full name and then use a prounoun or phrase such as (the club) in the interest of brevity. So, in short, we could more than likely make it work as Free Software Club in/of Kirksville (FSCK) but there should be serious discussion of it. Agreed. -- --- Ross Day ITS Web Integration VP, Truman ACM/IEEE 660.785.5218 660.785.4414 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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First and formost, lets keep things civil. Everybody is entitled to an opinion and more than welcome to express it. There's no need to get snippy. Now, I trust that no more will need to be said along these lines. iosif wrote (Thursday 02 September 2004 10:12 pm): > 1. it's pronounced something like F.S.-check, as in, "there's an F S > check meeting tonight, and man it has a cool name". as for lacking > vowels, a lot of abbreviations and organizations do fine without: > BBB, PBK, PKP, and even student senate with the dreaded SS. Well, from everything I've seen/heard most people do actually say it fsssk. Sure, it stands for the File System Checker, but why say something long like "FS-Check" when fsssk is so much faster. Also, most, if not all, of the examples you give are spelled out when said, eg. Bee Bee Bee, Pee Bee Kay, &c. Eff Ess Cee Kay just don't have a good ring to it, or so it seems to me. > 2. FSCK is a great name and i was never much into the in-joke. it > gets points because it's an actual command, and a fairly serious one > when failed. Yes, it is an actual command, so people who have experience with UNIX like operating systems will know what it means. But what about the beginner who's only used KDE/GNOME? Or the prospective user who hasn't a clue about the low level stuff like that? So, it's not "inside" as in "about 10 people," but it is in terms of the whole population. > 3. one can't claim that the name is terrible because it lacks a > vowel while simultaneously lamenting that people will interpret a > consonant 'S' as some other vowel. pick one or the other. See my notes above. Fsssk doesn't have any vowels in it, really. The Ss are just a soft sound seperating the beginning of the word from the hard stop of the K. > as for it > potentially being misconstrued as profanity, well, we're all big kids > now and i don't think the world will end. i'll put my name up next > to it any day of any week with a campus size of 10 or 10,000. The way I see this issue has to do with the image that we, as a group, portray. If I, as person knowing a lot about this knowledge domain, saw a group called FSCK, I would have a reaction along the lines of, "Funny, but fairly juvenile." And personally, thats not an image I want associated with myself or a group I'm involved in. > 4. abbreviations don't go on resumes, because it's lazy and not > everyone knows every shortening. that's why we, as big kids now, put > down things like Association of Computing Machinery and Free Software > Club in Kirksville (or if you're into brevity, Free Software Club). This is a valid point, though I fail to see what being a "big kid" has to do with it... However, consider this scenario: You're in an interview, talking about your school experience. FSCK is brought up. You go off talking about it, and accidently refer to it as "FSCK." Yes, a silly slipup, but given that this would be how you had thought of it for the past four or so years, understandable. The interviewer says, "Excuse me!" You don't get the job. In short, even if you don't put it on your resume, it may very well come up in any number of ways. And if it comes up, you're again faced with the trouble of explaining what the fsck "FSCK" is. So, in short, we could more than likely make it work as Free Software Club in/of Kirksville (FSCK) but there should be serious discussion of it. -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Mike Goodspeed wrote: First, how do we pronounce it? "There's a fsssk meeting tonight at 6:30." "We're having a fk InstallFest this weekend!". Acronyms are supposed to be catchy and easy to remember. Most people won't be able to pronounce it. It's no SMaCS, TWiCS, CRU, or even BSU, CGA, or TSU. It lacks, um, vowels. As I said in response to Peter, the club could be called Free Software Club for short...which is a prefectly good and scope-of-the-organization-capturing name. Second, FSCK is a gigantic "in-joke". Even if we have little chance of bringing in people who are "in the know", doesn't this joke seem a little elitist? We aren't going to bring in new members by preaching to the ultra-geek crowd. That's what I really love about InstallFest. Normal people interested in Linux! Since s many "normal" people understood what TSLUG meant even if they saw what the acronym stood for. The expanded "Free Software Club in Kirksville" stands a way better chance of bringing in Joe User than "Truman State Linux Users Group" which may not even sound like a computer-related club to a large large large number of people. Third, despite the possible head turns at sidewalk chalk time, let's call a spade a spade -- people are going to read this as fuck. Is that something you want yourself associated with at an academic level? Dr. Beck? Dr. Bindner? Can you see your name on a poster next to a word 30% of the people will at-first-glance perceive to be a curse word? Not me. IIRC, head turning is _exactly_ what you want...most organizations go through a big hassle of making fancy graphics and colors and whatnot to draw attention to their poster. Most people would , as you say, instantly have to take a second look at the poster...and thus would look at it for longer than the casual glance. This means people might actually read it and might actually become interested in whatever that sign was advertising. Last, and my main sticky point. When I start applying for jobs from lame MSCEs and way-too-high-level MBAs who don't know grep from their own grip, how am I supposed to explain that the Free Sofw- eh, Linux group I put on my resume was named fk? "Oh, wow. It kind of looks like ANOTHER word." "Uh, yeah. It's kind of an inside joke. It stands for Free Software Club in Kirksville, but it is also the name of the Linux file-system check tool. Yeah, I know." As with all other local groups, you would never put just the acronym on your resume' since no one could be expected to know what they are. Sure, you can put just "ACM" or just "IEEE" since those are nationally-based and well-known organizations (within our field). As for the local ones, I personally think having "Free Software Club in Kirksville" on your resume' looks at least as good as if not better than "Truman State Linux Users Group." I'd rather we picked something a little more professional. We've got some great minds, and I'm sure we can find something just as creative and yet appropriate. I would normally agree, but I actually do legitimately feel that the name could be used as both a professional front in its expanded form and as a catchy slogan and whatnot as the acronym. No offense, Ross. None taken of course... Or maybe I've just had a bad day. Welcome to a new semester. :-/ -- --- Ross Day ITS Web Integration VP, Truman ACM/IEEE 660.785.5218 660.785.4414 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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1. it's pronounced something like F.S.-check, as in, "there's an F S check meeting tonight, and man it has a cool name". as for lacking vowels, a lot of abbreviations and organizations do fine without: BBB, PBK, PKP, and even student senate with the dreaded SS. 2. FSCK is a great name and i was never much into the in-joke. it gets points because it's an actual command, and a fairly serious one when failed. 3. one can't claim that the name is terrible because it lacks a vowel while simultaneously lamenting that people will interpret a consonant 'S' as some other vowel. pick one or the other. as for it potentially being misconstrued as profanity, well, we're all big kids now and i don't think the world will end. i'll put my name up next to it any day of any week with a campus size of 10 or 10,000. 4. abbreviations don't go on resumes, because it's lazy and not everyone knows every shortening. that's why we, as big kids now, put down things like Association of Computing Machinery and Free Software Club in Kirksville (or if you're into brevity, Free Software Club). i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Peter Snoblin wrote: Mike Goodspeed wrote (Thursday 02 September 2004 9:46 pm): While FSCK obviously means something to us who understand Linux, and it makes a great joke and probably an even better t-shirt, I think the name is a HORRIBLE idea for our group. I'm going to have to chime in with a second to that. I'd add my rationale, but Mike did an excellent job of covering all the reasons. The club could be called Free Software Club for short...which is a perfectly legitimate and professional name... It's just as good as the FSA suggestion... Ross - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Mike Goodspeed wrote (Thursday 02 September 2004 9:46 pm): > While FSCK obviously means something to us who understand Linux, and > it makes a great joke and probably an even better t-shirt, I think > the name is a HORRIBLE idea for our group. I'm going to have to chime in with a second to that. I'd add my rationale, but Mike did an excellent job of covering all the reasons. -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Donald J Bindner wrote: On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 05:38:40PM -0500, Ross Day wrote: Supporters Of Freedom-Advocating Software (SOFAS) Free Software Club in Kirksville (FSCK <-- now that's beautiful) FSCK really is beautiful. I will personally add a second to that. Don I think my new nickname should be token, because I am just playing the minority opinion here in !TSLUG (cough Fedora cough). While FSCK obviously means something to us who understand Linux, and it makes a great joke and probably an even better t-shirt, I think the name is a HORRIBLE idea for our group. First, how do we pronounce it? "There's a fsssk meeting tonight at 6:30." "We're having a fk InstallFest this weekend!". Acronyms are supposed to be catchy and easy to remember. Most people won't be able to pronounce it. It's no SMaCS, TWiCS, CRU, or even BSU, CGA, or TSU. It lacks, um, vowels. Second, FSCK is a gigantic "in-joke". Even if we have little chance of bringing in people who are "in the know", doesn't this joke seem a little elitist? We aren't going to bring in new members by preaching to the ultra-geek crowd. That's what I really love about InstallFest. Normal people interested in Linux! Third, despite the possible head turns at sidewalk chalk time, let's call a spade a spade -- people are going to read this as fuck. Is that something you want yourself associated with at an academic level? Dr. Beck? Dr. Bindner? Can you see your name on a poster next to a word 30% of the people will at-first-glance perceive to be a curse word? Not me. Last, and my main sticky point. When I start applying for jobs from lame MSCEs and way-too-high-level MBAs who don't know grep from their own grip, how am I supposed to explain that the Free Sofw- eh, Linux group I put on my resume was named fk? "Oh, wow. It kind of looks like ANOTHER word." "Uh, yeah. It's kind of an inside joke. It stands for Free Software Club in Kirksville, but it is also the name of the Linux file-system check tool. Yeah, I know." I'd rather we picked something a little more professional. We've got some great minds, and I'm sure we can find something just as creative and yet appropriate. No offense, Ross. Or maybe I've just had a bad day. ~Mike - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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I like the KAFS name and as much as we deal with free software, the group also deals with commercial software at times. Why restrict the group by the name. Look at the members. Most are into alternative systems most of which are not Microsoft systems. Most use freely available downloaded operating systems and applications. Some purchase some or all of the systems. The common thread is that we have control of our systems, we learn how it works and we grow as our systems expands. I don't have a suggestion for a name at this point. As it has been said, using the name "Linux" in the name will restrict the group and I also believe that using "Free Software" in the group will be just as limiting. And finally, what prevents a Windows user from coming and learning even if he/she still wants to use Windows? I think what you have here is a group of Kirksville areas computer enthusiasts with a common goal to have their computers do more that he average person. Hey, maybe I have a suggestion, KACE. Bob Ackerman Scott Thatcher wrote: Hi, I'm not a voting member, but I think it would be a great idea to move toward a name that mentions Free Software. I like KAFS because it suggests caffein, which I've always associated with installing Linux. Scott Thatcher On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:28:38PM -0500, Mike Goodspeed wrote: I'm not necessarily making a suggestion (yet), but since we are changing the name, is there signifigant opposition to getting rid of the Linux name? Stallman wouldn't hate us anymore. I mean, *LUG just sounds slow lazy and fat. All jokes aside, that's not an image I'd like to be associated with. Maybe something like the Kirksville Association for Free Software (KAFS), or Free Software Users (FSU). ~Mike - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe - - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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> FSCK is a colossally good idea. In fact, it's such a colossally good idea that Ross should get a free T-shirt for suggesting it, even if it's not the winner. -- Jon Beck, PhD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Assoc Professor, Computer Science 2162 Violette Hall Truman State University 660.785.7233 Kirksville, MO 63501 http://vh216202.truman.edu/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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FSCK is a colossally good idea. i - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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I haven't posted in quite a while, but this looked interesting. I agree that it might also be a good time to address the "Linux" part of the name since you have to change it any way. I go to Iowa State now and the group here has decided to be called AmesFUG, with FUG standing for Free Unix Group. Of course, this solution also poses problems since GNU's NOT Unix! ;-) However if you are wanting to broaden the focus of the group to include *BSD, some variation of this might be a good choice. A path might also be an interesting choice, for example, /bin/klug. Also something that sounds like a name might be amusing the "Kirk V. Fug", which could then optionally be shortened to something like KVF(UG)?. --Brandon - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 05:38:40PM -0500, Ross Day wrote: > Supporters Of Freedom-Advocating Software (SOFAS) > > Free Software Club in Kirksville (FSCK <-- now that's beautiful) FSCK really is beautiful. I will personally add a second to that. Don -- Don Bindner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Supporters Of Freedom-Advocating Software (SOFAS) Free Software Club in Kirksville (FSCK <-- now that's beautiful) This would go great on a T-shirt...as long as the new name is an acronym... s/TSLUG//gi And here is an ascii smiley face...for no reason. # o o | \___/ -- --- Ross Day ITS Web Integration VP, Truman ACM/IEEE 660.785.5218 660.785.4414 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Hi, I'm not a voting member, but I think it would be a great idea to move toward a name that mentions Free Software. I like KAFS because it suggests caffein, which I've always associated with installing Linux. Scott Thatcher On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:28:38PM -0500, Mike Goodspeed wrote: > I'm not necessarily making a suggestion (yet), but since we are changing > the name, is there signifigant opposition to getting rid of the Linux > name? Stallman wouldn't hate us anymore. > > I mean, *LUG just sounds slow lazy and fat. All jokes aside, that's not > an image I'd like to be associated with. > > Maybe something like the Kirksville Association for Free Software > (KAFS), or Free Software Users (FSU). > > ~Mike > > - > To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with Subject: unsubscribe > - > -- Scott Thatcher Assistant Professor of Mathematics Truman State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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I'm not necessarily making a suggestion (yet), but since we are changing the name, is there signifigant opposition to getting rid of the Linux name? Stallman wouldn't hate us anymore. I mean, *LUG just sounds slow lazy and fat. All jokes aside, that's not an image I'd like to be associated with. Maybe something like the Kirksville Association for Free Software (KAFS), or Free Software Users (FSU). ~Mike - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Donald J Bindner wrote: > Nominations and seconds will be accepted on the mailing list from > now until Monday afternoon at 5pm (September 6). On Monday > evening, I will draft a ballot of eligible entries and post it to > the list. One question to ask about the new name is, do we want to retain "Linux" in our name? I ask for two reasons. First, we've gotten flack from certain people (coughRMScough) about not being GNU/Linux. Secondly, it seems to me that Linux isn't our soul focus. We range the whole gambit of computer related topics, with a large focus on UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems (or POSIX or whatever the term de jour is) as well as Free software (or FOSS or FLOSS, again take your pic of terms ;-) ). It might be a good idea to take these ideas into account. Towards that end, I'd like to nominate one idea that came up last night (and I appologize to whomever floated the idea for not crediting him, I simply can't remember who it was): FSA, the Free Software Association. -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Because there are a couple changes to make regarding *SLUG there is a ballot coming up. You guys will have the chance to decide upon the new name for TSLUG and we are making the election of the new president easier that way too... ** some more feedback for the new TSLUG name would be cool. ** send in your nominations... alex Peter Snoblin wrote: >Jason Miller wrote: >> Hey everyone, >> >> What will TSLUG's new "official" name be, now that the University >> says no student organization can begin it's name with "Truman >> State..."? >> > >This was brought up at yesterday's meeting, and while we bandied about >such names as !TSLUG and similar jokes, the final decision was to not >make one at the moment. I beleive that Dr Bindner and Alex are looking >into the exact details of the policy change, and once they've got a >handle on it, a call for nominations for new names will be issued. Once >a few have come in, an email based (I believe) vote will be conducted. > >-- >Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ > >- >To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with Subject: unsubscribe >- > > - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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I nominate KLUG. Raul - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Ok, I got the paperwork from Alex (who was chosen as a new president at our meeting this week). Our agreement with Truman does indeed say "The Organization will not use the University name, ..." We discussed this for some length at the meeting last night and decided that the few members there would not decide for everyone. This is what we agreed on: Nominations and seconds will be accepted on the mailing list from now until Monday afternoon at 5pm (September 6). On Monday evening, I will draft a ballot of eligible entries and post it to the list. Voting will proceed until Friday September 10th at 5pm, after which I (and any volunteers who wish to help) will tally the votes and announce a new name. Since a name change requires a (cosmetic) change to the constitution, I'll ask someone to make a motion and have it ratified quickly so we can get our changes and paperwork into the CSI by the deadline on the 15th. In the meantime, let's have discussion and nominations. A discussion of who constitutes suitable voting members would not be off topic as well. Don -- Don Bindner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Jason Miller wrote: > Hey everyone, > > What will TSLUG's new "official" name be, now that the University > says no student organization can begin it's name with "Truman > State..."? > This was brought up at yesterday's meeting, and while we bandied about such names as !TSLUG and similar jokes, the final decision was to not make one at the moment. I beleive that Dr Bindner and Alex are looking into the exact details of the policy change, and once they've got a handle on it, a call for nominations for new names will be issued. Once a few have come in, an email based (I believe) vote will be conducted. -- Peter Snoblin - http://entropicaccess.net/ - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
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Heh, how about TSLUG and it just not be an acronym? ;-) On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 01:31:29PM -0500, Jason Miller wrote: > Hey everyone, > > What will TSLUG's new "official" name be, now that the University says > no student organization can begin it's name with "Truman State..."? > > > Jason E. Miller, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Mathematics > Truman State University > Kirksville, MO > http://pyrite.truman.edu/millerj/ > 660.785.7430 > > > - > To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with Subject: unsubscribe > - > - To get off this list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe -
