It is strange that anyone would want an unproved and expensive device. I
suspect that Rossi thinks that he can work with NI and stabilize the thing, and
this may be true. My personal opinion is that some serious engineering work
will be required to make the system safe and repeatable. If I
Frank,
The Ni metal is not dissolved is it?
I also understand the smaller the Ni particle, the lower the melting
temperature due to melting point depression.
*
*
*Melting-point depression* is a term referring to the phenomenon of
reduction of the melting point
Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the latest from Mark Gibbs.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/20/cold-fusion-theory-or-fact/
This is the worst column he has written. He is a professional science
writer yet he makes a hash of basic terminology! He does not
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi has made tremendous contributions to humanity, so
stop kvetching about his foibles. They make no difference.
With respect to Rossi's own measure that commercial success matters
above all else,
he has yet to make
Gibbs seems utterly desperate to explain LENR away as just an unrepeatable
anomaly and as usual Mary is one of the first to get the word scam in
there somewhere. I find it curious how the noisy negativists get so over
the top obsessed with ramming their opinions down everyone's throat. I can
Jed, what you have described here is EXACTLY what happened to the Steorn
Forum. MaryYugo and all the moletrap clowns took over the forum and it
became so abusive that the forum was closed. They are a cancer and a barrier
to progress because of their own egos.
These people include Mary Yugo,
There was never any hard evidence it had been moved. Terry ( I think)
remarked on voretx a day or so after the test that a tractor trailer
drove off with it as if someone witnessed the departure, but he was
really just extrapolating.
Harry
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Shaun Taylor
You mean the Steorn that hand-picked a jury of scientists to test their
technology, which then unanimously determined that Steorn failed to show any
signs of excess energy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn#Jury_process
From: *** Craig Brown ***
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
It would also explain the long, forceful jet of water/steam coming out of
the E-Cat then the high-pressure side was opened at the end of the video.
Rossi would have to hide the fact that the system is actually holding a
temperature much higher
I wrote:
Rossi and others measured the temperature and mass of the water dumped out
of the reactor at the end, and reported it. . . .
Of course it cools down to 100 deg C immediately.
- Jed
Right,
critical mode is not easy.
for fission reactors, the resonance bells allow to have some working point
where power/temperature curve create negative feedback (and also the
hopeful unexpected delayed neutron that save the first reactors from fast
divergence). Tchernobyl is the example of what
There are serious questions about the setup of the temperature measurements on
the various E-Cat tests. Just because Rossi's thermocouple said the water was
at 100 C (or whatever it read) doesn't mean that was the actual temperature.
According to Mats Lewan, Rossi provided and set up all the
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:43 PM, *** Craig Brown *** cr...@overunity.cowrote:
Gibbs seems utterly desperate to explain LENR away as just an
unrepeatable anomaly
I'm not so sure. I would have guessed the opposite to be the case. In
this instance he might be responding to pressure as a
yes - the rules:
Pathological Skepticism is banned
if your mind is open and you wish to test crazy claims
rather than ridiculing them or explaining them away, hop on board!
For what my opinion is worth, it is quite clear from what I have been
reading here that those of you who are sincere
Cold Fusion turned me gay... srsly.
In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:03:57 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
for Ni+H LENR there does not seem to exist a reversible negative feedback,
so like any engineer will know you have to stabilize the system with an
outside control loop.
You can keep it starved of fuel and let it
I am pretty sure Rossi's stability and control problem stems from relying
on heat transfer through a large temperature differential (low Watts per
degree) to cool a reaction that has a positive temperature coefficient (ie
gets more powerful with increasing temperature).
The simple fix is to use
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
There are serious questions about the setup of the temperature measurements
on the various E-Cat tests.
There are indeed. We discussed that at length here. Fortunately, as I
pointed out several times, we can ignore all of the temperature readings.
On 12-01-22 02:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
A message from Mary Yugo caught my attention before falling into the
trash.
Howzat work? My filters dump the folks I'm filtering before I ever see
them.
The important point is, my messages do not violate any of the rules
set forth by Beaty:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
There was never any hard evidence it had been moved. Terry ( I think)
remarked on voretx a day or so after the test that a tractor trailer
drove off with it as if someone witnessed the departure, but he was
really just
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
A message from Mary Yugo caught my attention before falling into the
trash.
Howzat work? My filters dump the folks I'm filtering before I ever see
them.
I don't know. I was typing and it appeared, and then vanished. Probably
this is how Gmail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-89SiqG3pI0
Just because you keep repeating that doesn't make it so.
If the water was at 5 to 10 bars, it could easily be heated to 150 - 180 C. in
the preheating process. At that point, being wrapped up in that massive
insulation blanket, it would stay over 100 C for hours. It could even be
boiling the
Blindingly obvious but the Rossi cultists will never believe it.
They have FAITH.
There's your problem.
Oh dear, your Messiah has been a VERY naughty boy.
CLAIMED TO HAVE THE FORMULA TO TURN WASTE INTO BLACK GOLD, ONLY MANAGED TO
CAUSE AN ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER
Sentenced to eight years'
Some of us doubters would rather unsubscribe but since this is like Hotel
California, welp..
Also, didn't know this was a religion here, worshipping at the altar of fringe
science?
Is this a cult or science, and where can I get off this train?
Heavens Gate much??
Have a nice day.
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
We don't know what person communications transpired between them, but I
think his impression of BBB customer delivery consisted of more than a
single affirmative on Rossi's blog.
He was getting some info from the horse's mouth. His reaction
Tom
Im all for cutting and running (somedays) but this mentality is like terrorism
, if we were to run away they win and they would probably follow . ..A bit of
an extreeme story but ..A lady got her legs blown off in those train
bombing in London in 2004 . Two years latter there she
Awww!
Poor Aussie Guy
(cough splutter choke gasp)
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another lie from Rossi: 1MW plant was at bologna in the first
day of november
David Robertson wrote: It is apparent to me that he has a very difficult
problem trying to
maintain stability of the power output and I have been doing some
interesting simulation that tends to support this claim.
Would you share that simulation? I can't help feeling that stability is an
Ted Patrick, one of the pioneers of deprogramming, used a confrontational
method:
When you deprogram people, you force them to think...But I keep them off
balance and this forces them to begin questioning, to open their minds. When
the mind gets to a certain point, they can see through all the
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I see you are using several other time-tested techniques. You have
carefully described a test that would be difficult or impossible to meet.
Joule heating or electrolysis power is necessary for most experiments. In
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
If the water was at 5 to 10 bars, it could easily be heated to 150 - 180
C. in the preheating process. At that point, being wrapped up in that
massive insulation blanket, it would stay over 100 C for hours.
There was a TC in the reactor. It
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
I am pretty sure Rossi's stability and control problem stems from relying
on heat transfer through a large temperature differential (low Watts per
degree) to cool a reaction that has a positive temperature coefficient (ie
gets more powerful
I have been having some success heating my house with a device that consists of
unpressurized proteins, sugars, starches, and waters that undergo heating via
an electric resistance.
Here are the salient facts:
Flour
Eggs
Water
Sucrose
Vaniila
I mix these together in a reactor vessel
This is not what we are discussing. We are talking about the forum and how it was overtaken by abusive posters. Steorn's claim is not relevant to this discussion. Quoting Wikipedia is of no value when it comes to exotic energy claims simply because of their establishment bias and the bias of the
ahh thanks for that reminder!
So in a sense I added to the lie. Sorry folks.
Harry
(Damn that talking dog!)
harry
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
There was never any hard
In the immortal words of Hunter S. Thompson:
WHO SENT YOU?
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Dusty Bradshaw d_bra...@bellsouth.netwrote:
I have been having some success heating my house with a device that
consists of unpressurized proteins, sugars, starches, and waters that
undergo heating
On 23/01/2012 1:38 AM, John Milstone wrote:
So... Rossi had the old container in his warehouse on 10/28, for the
dog pony show. Meanwhile, he had a second box hidden somewhere else
(or he build a second one between 10/28 and 10/30, when he claimed it
was gone). The secret customer tested the
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Dusty Bradshaw d_bra...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I'm considering the manufacture of these as the by product alone may feed an
army.
Any thoughts??
As Jean-Jacques Rousseau said:
Qu'ils mangent de la brioche!
:-)
T
On 23/01/2012 1:47 AM, John Milstone wrote:
Not to mention that on 10/30 Rossi answered Yes to the question Have
you started building another 1MW in another container?
He said nothing about having finished a second box, nor of having
shipped it. It's clear from his answers that the first box is
I believe that the danger in operating the device in maximum feedback is that
the nickel will melt and that will end the power generation permanently. It
most likely will require an operation temperature that is controlled and set to
the proper level for the desired heat output power.
Dave
On 23/01/2012 1:52 AM, John Milstone wrote:
If you're being sarcastic, I congratulate you on your subtlety.
If you're being serious, I would ask you to provide any evidence at all
to support your statement. It directly contradicts everything that Rossi
has said. On October 30 (just two days
yes, good explanation.
however if the reaction curve ( P//T) is more than linear, you should avoid
getting higher than a given temp,
otherwise the reaction positive feedback will overcome the cooling negative
feedback and start a runaway.
this is what happens probably as you says with old
On 23/01/2012 2:06 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Rossi installed the other box at the customer's site, he even supervise
it. Probably he also tested the other box there.
Daniel there is no 2nd BBB. It is just another lie in a long line of
Rossi lies.
Shaun
On 23/01/2012 3:38 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:14 AM, John Milstone
john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
As for Focardi and Levi, I notice that they never corrected any of
the various lies about the University of Bologna actually
by the way,
this discussion raise a possibility, and doubt of doubt...
the design of defkalion, and problems of rossi seems rational and linked to
real problems, that if not straight, are to be expected.
this give credibility to the fact that :
- defkalion have worked on a real case, fighting
Shaun states as fact:
He [Rossi] has been caught working with licensees to take green family
investor money despite saying he would never do this.
I think I have read all the postings so far, and Shaun was specifically
asked, I think twice, by others if there was any evidence that *Rossi*
himself
You have shown an excellent example of the problem and Defkalion's solution.
The model that I am working on suggests that it is the slope of the Power
Output versus Temperature curve of the core device multiplied by the thermal
resistance that defines stability. I have modeled many different
On 23/01/2012 4:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
These people include Mary Yugo, Axil Axil, John Milstone, Eff Wivakeef
and others. You know who you are. If you will not stop this childish
nonsense, I ask you to shut up and go away. I ask Bill Beaty to ban you.
I have been adding you to my personal
On 23/01/2012 5:01 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote:
Here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqhXotcu5hsfeature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqhXotcu5hsfeature=player_embedded
You can see the 1MW plant.
I've contacted the author: the video footage was taken in the first day
of
You are not very bright are you Jed.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
John Milstone
This is were you clearly crossed the line. Get some air and do something
else besides insulting people and repeating yourself!
Wolf
You are not very bright are you Jed.
*From:* Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
*To:*
+1
On 01/22/2012 07:45 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
This is were you clearly crossed the line. Get some air and do
something else besides insulting people and repeating yourself!
Wolf
You are not very bright are you Jed.
Who supplied and positioned the thermocouple. If it was Rossi (as Mats Lewan
claims was true for every test), then I don't believe it. Rossi has way too
much to gain, and way too much history of lying and cheating for me to place
any faith in anything he supplied to test his gadget.
You
test passed
I think that the device would explode long before it reached 10 bars.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
Oh I am sorry.
I forgot that Rossi is such an honest man that he would of course have put the
temperature probe inside the pressure cooker
Duh!
From: Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 11:48 PM
Subject: Re:
On 23/01/2012 6:08 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12-01-22 04:24 AM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
The goop is where the bead of the thermocouple was placed. There is no
other reason for anything like that material to be there other than to
provide a good heat exchange between the brass fitting and
Agreed, wholeheartedly..
There was a thermocouple in the E-Cat and the highest I remember it ever
getting was ~108degC.
Anyone who claims that it was anywhere near 150 needs to provide the proof.
I don't think even Yugo would try to float that asinine suggestion. or would
you Mary?
Did they stick the probe up the Ecat's bum?
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 11:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog
Agreed,
That may be. I reviewed the picture with the cover off, and the cover doesn't
appear as substantial as I remembered. But there sure are a lot of bolts to
hold it down. Far more than would be needed if it were only pressurized to
slightly more than normal (as Rossi claims.
And, I suspect any
On 23/01/2012 6:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It is either minor confusion or a minor lie.
Minor Lie? WTF?
Rossi lied to the world about shipping the words first operational 500
kW LENR reactor to a secret customer and later lied about going there to
do the install.
Jed what does it take to
On 23/01/2012 6:31 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Mary, there are serious problems with Rossi's demonstrations that we
are all aware of. It is apparent to me that he has a very difficult
You (and people like you) really dont get it. This mailing list is about
people discussing topics of different kinds, among them, e.g., LENR as
well as Rossi. As long as there is doubt (on either side of the coin,
i.e., either pro or contra) there have to be discussions, i.e., people
allow
On 23/01/2012 6:38 AM, John Milstone wrote:
At the risk of confusing the issue, is it possible that Rossi is trying
to *reduce* the apparent temperature of the system?
After seeing the video of the September test, and reading Eff Wiavkeef's
comments here:
I think you are misreading the situation. The problem here is the accusatory and pathalogical scepticism displayed by posters such as yourself which is based on attacking the character of anyone and everyone who is keeping an open mind regarding Rossi's claims.
Original Message
So here was Shaun's acknowledging the FACT that he doesn't know, or have
evidence that Rossi is even aware of the Australian licensee (Millin):
===
*While I have no proof*, I would expect a few of those going to the meeting
would have emailed Rossi to check on the validity of
Hehe...you really are a bit of a drama queen Shaun. Put down the aspartame drink slowly and step away from the keyboard..
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another lie from Rossi: 1MW plant was at bologna in
the first day of november
From: Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
Yup. The way they argue I think Shaun Taylor and Eff Wivakeef are
actually the same persons... I think I might also start creating a kill
list like Jed although perhaps there is a time when one of both might
actually have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion
(although this seems
Shish! I leave for a weekend, and when I return and check my email I find
myself barraged with a pissing contest.
Eff, you install yourself in the Vort Collective and attempt to hijack it
with a personal agenda consumed by revenge that you have been carefully
nursing along for years. You don't
During the September test (with the large steam release in question) the
temperature exceeded 133C... You can see it in the video.
During the October 6th test, the temperature reaches 123.8C at the onset of
self-sustaining mode, and it drops to 103C by the end of the test.
A lot more transparancy would negate the need for 'open' minds.
Sadly, Rossi = Fail.
Any University would be happy to test his device under an NDA and blackbox..
How you gonna change the world without coming out into the light? He could have
protected his IP and changed the world, but alas
On 23/01/2012 6:46 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
/snip/
It is either minor confusion or a minor lie. Minor compared to the usual
level of chaos that Rossi sows when he opens his mouth. This incident
sent AussiGuy into a tizzy. I told him I do not understand why, because
anyone who has dealt with
Chan, a mystery Ni-H replicator claims to be working on plans for a
10MW Metal Hydride Nickel Fusion unit. He claims to have patents and
will update people on the following web site:
http://chanfusionpower.chan.host-ed.me/
It says the following currently:
Chan Fusion Power
10 MW Fusion Power
I'm all for transparency and god knows Rossi needs to sort out his translations for the avoidance of doubt. But transparency works BOTH ways. You can't have transparency on ONE side only! Pathological sceptics are rarely transparent and usually have their own agenda. So sitting there demanding
I would not be surprised if Eff Wivakeef and Shaun Taylor are fake pseudonyms and that they are posters from the moletrap forum. MaryYugo regularly tells everyone over on Moletrap how stupid and gullible "she" thinks everyone on Vortex is, then she comes over here to have a go.The fact Yugo and
On 23/01/2012 9:55 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Shaun states as fact:
He [Rossi] has been caught working with licensees to take green family
investor money despite saying he would never do this.
I think I have read all the postings so far, and Shaun was specifically
asked, I think twice,
On 23/01/2012 10:46 AM, Craig Brown wrote:
I think you are misreading the situation. The problem here is the
accusatory and pathalogical scepticism displayed by posters such as
yourself which is based on attacking the character of anyone and
everyone who is keeping an open mind regarding Rossi's
Rossi's BBB will fit right in...
http://youtu.be/FHyqj_OdjNo
Harry
On 23/01/2012 10:47 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
So here was Shaun's acknowledging the FACT that he doesn't know, or have
evidence that Rossi is even aware of the Australian licensee (Millin):
Mark, since then I saw the slide show and other data about that event on
Millin's site.
He
Thanks Brad
I appreciate the update
Pete
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:37:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chan Method Update
From: ecatbuil...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Chan, a mystery Ni-H replicator claims to be working on plans for a
10MW Metal Hydride Nickel Fusion unit. He claims to
Thx Robert, I stand corrected.
From: Robert Leguillon [mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi
blog
During the September test (with the large steam release
Shaun,
Picking data apart is one thing, but when you choose to state, AS A FACT,
that Rossi is knowingly working with Millin, you damn well better have
direct evidence (e.g., a contract with Rossi's sig, or video of Rossi
interacting with Millin). It is perfectly clear that that is NOT the case
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
This is not what we are discussing. We are talking about the forum and how
it was overtaken by abusive posters. Steorn's claim is not relevant to this
discussion. Quoting Wikipedia is of no value when it comes to exotic
Who needs Rossi and his fake Ecat when a commercially available Hitachi
heat pump, the Eco Cute, achieved a COP of up to 8 way back in 2008.
http://www.mayekawausa.com/brochures/pdf/wEcoCute_brochure.pdf
Shaun
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
I think you are misreading the situation. The problem here is the
accusatory and pathalogical scepticism displayed by posters such as
yourself which is based on attacking the character of anyone and everyone
who is
As many Vorticians know, I've followed the Rossi affair since early
2011. I found, fairly quickly, reasons to think that the
demonstrations were not conclusive, that they may have shown anything
from no excess heat, mild excess heat, to strong excess heat.
From certain evidence (asserted most
Shaun,
I use a heat pump with COP of 6 in Georgia to heat my pool. It still needs
a heat source such as relatively warm air or geothermal as a primary heat
source.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.comwrote:
Who needs Rossi and his fake Ecat when a
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
You have repeatedly used Lewan's statement that it *was* very hot to
justify your claims of nuclear reactions.
Please note: I said the surface temperature did not *vary much*. That means
the internal temperature could not have been ~180 deg C
At 02:46 PM 1/22/2012, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
Look at all the attention and acclaim given to Rossi and for what?
To keep the scam going and ripoff more victims.
Simple really.
Why would anyone choose to believe the word of Rossi the convicted fraudster?
Weird or what?
I don't believe Rossi, but
That is another good question. Why do we need protons in a proton conductor?
The proton spacing is still measured in atomic distances not nuclear distances.
The answer is The Dissolved Protons are not bound. The frequency is not
determined by K sq root of K/M where K is measured to the next
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote:
I would not be surprised if Eff Wivakeef and Shaun Taylor are fake
pseudonyms and that they are posters from the moletrap forum. MaryYugo
regularly tells everyone over on Moletrap how stupid and gullible she
thinks
On 23/01/2012 11:58 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Shaun,
Picking data apart is one thing, but when you choose to state, AS A FACT,
that Rossi is knowingly working with Millin, you damn well better have
direct evidence (e.g., a contract with Rossi's sig, or video of Rossi
interacting with
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Shaun,
Picking data apart is one thing, but when you choose to state, AS A FACT,
that Rossi is knowingly working with Millin, you damn well better have
direct evidence (e.g., a contract with Rossi's sig, or
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
A LENR device that produces power for a few hours or a few days isn't
practical. It might indeed be of interest, and someone, someday, might
figure out how to make something like this reliable, but Rossi might
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course we welcome your
contributions to the technical discussion here.
- Jed
Oh so now Vortex is only a PRO Rossi discussion group?
No, it is pro-science.
Please re-read what I said: we welcome your contributions to the technical
discussion
Yes, that fits in with the relaxed innocence with which he waved the
black hose against Focardi's black sweater to reveal the wisps of
visible water mist -- since then he's been more and more panicked,
like the warlord in Kurosawa's version of Macbeth, being pinned
against the castle wall by
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
I don't believe Rossi, but I do believe that Eff Vivakeef is acting beyond
the pale for Vortex. Convicted fraudster is libel.
I don't think that's libel. It may not be the whole story but you can find
in
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course we welcome your
contributions to the technical discussion here.
- Jed
Oh so now Vortex is only a PRO Rossi discussion group?
No, it is pro-science.
Your
On 23/01/2012 12:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
As I noted, the temperature was measured by Lewan.
Who is now known to have covered up multiple Rossi lies and to have
accepted the BS Tout bead placement in the 6 Oct test. So please explain
why Lewans has credibility in your eyes?
Are you
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