To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Minor progress
2011/11/10 Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com:
requency generator inout? Is there any more info on that? I can tell you
one
thing- the power company is not going to be too happy with Rossi or
whoever
runs
requency generator inout? Is there any more info on that? I can tell you one
thing- the power company is not going to be too happy with Rossi or whoever
runs one of these things when they find out they are meter cheaters!
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
I've spoken to Lewan about the device producing frequencies. I believe it
to be a meter cheater in that it produces high frequency energy that cannot
be tracked accurately by the clamp-on ammeter. Notice energy in= energy out
in Oct test before dpf is used. After switching on this device all
Physics is natural science.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:1 MW plant testing is underway.
That's excellent news. Very open of Rossi. Entirely reasonable.
We complain about
Strange, I just commented on The EEStory.com thst input energy looks equal to
output up to the time Lewan turns on the infamous device that creates
frequencies which to my mind is clearly a meter beater.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
Yes your imagination is vivid. I'm refering to the clamp on ammeter of course.
Nice try.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe Catania wrote
I should? I've already done what I should do.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe Catania wrote:
Yes your imagination is vivid. I'm refering
The point is more that the choice of a meter that can't measure high frequency
is requisite for this hoax.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe
I suggest you accept my treatment was theoretical. Rossi should comply, not me.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com
measurements are valid. Proove that!
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe Catania wrote:
I suggest you accept my treatment was theoretical. Rossi should
It occurs to me that the means they are using to measure power is prone to
error. An energy analyzer would be the best way to do it. If there's any
reactance in the circuit they power calculations they use would be inaccurate.
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy Analyzer for E-Cat
Yep, it's called power factor. You're really on top of things, Joe!
T
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
It occurs to me that the means they are using
Nonsense, high frequencies are subject to skin effect.
- Original Message -
From: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy Analyzer for E-Cat
Am 12.10.2011 18:39, schrieb Joe Catania:
http
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy Analyzer for E-Cat
2011/10/12 Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com:
It occurs to me that the means they are using to measure power is prone to
error. An energy analyzer would be the best way to do it. If there's
Analyzer for E-Cat
At 10:58 AM 10/12/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/10/12 Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com:
It can measure also DC current, but with separate DC settings of
course. So could it be plausible to feed DC-current along with AC and
clamp ammeter would not notice a thing? Then only
Hi,
On 12-10-2011 20:08, Joe Catania wrote:
But an analyzer would eliminate doubt. You'd actually be measuring power
instead of relying of neglecting something you know nothing about.
A cheap secondhand CRT oscilloscope up to 10 MHz would show a lot of
information as well ;-)
Kind regards
...@arcor.de
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy Analyzer for E-Cat
Am 12.10.2011 20:00, schrieb Joe Catania:
Nonsense, high frequencies are subject to skin effect.
So you have studied electrical engineering?
I have. Unfortunately I dont
it.
Fran
-Original Message-
From: Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Energy Analyzer for E-Cat
Nonsense, high frequencies are subject to skin effect.
- Original Message -
From: Peter
You interst me in the way Rossi may be going about this. It seems you are
suggesting Rossi is studying from the book , How to Scam the Masses and
Become Rich without Detection. The high-frequency injection certainly would
seem to be in the bag of tricks for many scammers. Its well known that
and
inaccuracies that a single one -if discovered- would prove nothing, but
all together make an energy gain.
Am 12.10.2011 21:15, schrieb Joe Catania:
Heckert, why don't you go stand on a corner with a tin cup. Yes skin
effect is important at high frequencies especiall in the case of certain
pulse
That appears to be a graph of power noy yemperature.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is
irrefutable proof
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com
If its passive cooling? Excuse me but are we discussing something here?
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is
irrefutable proof
Excuse me I
Jed I'm not going to bother to comment on your very flawed analysis. It dosen't
seem you want us to agree.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi heat exchanger fitting
Alan Fletcher
Jed I'm not going to bother to comment on your very flawed analysis. It dosen't
seem you want us to agree.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi heat exchanger fitting
Alan Fletcher
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is
irrefutable proof
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
That appears to be a graph of power noy yemperature.
It is derived from Lewan's temperature readings. The flow rate
I already said there was heat storage. We are not contesting me here Jed and
that's what is clear.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi heat exchanger fitting
Joe Catania zrosumg
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is
irrefutable proof
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
That appears to be a graph of power noy yemperature.
It is derived from Lewan's temperature readings. The flow rate
LOL. That's hypocritical.
- Original Message -
From: Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com; Rich Murray
rmfor...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is
LOL. That's hypocritical.
- Original Message -
From: Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com; Rich Murray
rmfor...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is
this is
irrefutable proof
On 11-10-10 11:04 AM, Joe Catania wrote:
Newton's Law is irrelevant. Your the type of buffoon who ...
And you, /Mister/ Catania, are apparently the type of poster who resorts
to ad hominems when he's having trouble expressing himself clearly enough
to get his point
No that was part of the decor in a restaurant in Taormina. Its nice to know
that the only thing that counts here is spelling (and self-affected
narcissists).
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:41 PM
What do my posts matter anyway? Yes please block me.
- Original Message -
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is
irrefutable proof
#
80kgs of metal can easily store over 40MJ. It's not on the level of a
discussion. My arguments have been extremely convincing as I think you can
tell by the recent conversion of vortex members and Krivit.
Joe Catania states,
The band heater temp is ~900C. In September test my calculations show
With 40MJ of heat in the system it would be impossible for the temperature to
drop suddenly. I heat a block of steel to 900C, then I stop heating it, and
drop a gram of water on it. What's the temperature? 900C. Notice there was no
precipitous drop. Nor would there be after many grams of water.
).
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Look at the BIG PICTURE and you will see this is
irrefutable proof
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
With 40MJ of heat in the system it would
Lewan's report states that hydrogen pressure was lowered during shut-down.
This is the angle they should have exploited. With constant heating and
water flow conditions they should vary the hydrogen pressure and record the
results. They should also try an inert gas like helium.
- Original
2011/10/7 Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com:
Lewan's report states that hydrogen pressure was lowered during shut-down.
This is the angle they should have exploited. With constant heating and
water flow conditions they should vary the hydrogen pressure and record
the
results. They should also try
I wouldn't evn take more output heat as input heat as the sine qua non. In fact
there's nothing going on in the e-cat that can proove cold fusion- its not
about a cold fusion proof, there just isn't one of those contemplated. If you
want CF proof maybe look at the Navy's data.
- Original
Your right after spending millions uselessly Rossi can always promote the
e-cat as a very accurate calorimeter ( in fact the one that discovered
profitable CF) and thus mark up the sale price even further.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To:
There would seem to be no other way of explaining a result like: I send a
photon from point A to point B and measure the time of flight. I then send a
neutrino. The neutrino gets there faster.
This should show up the fact that neutrinos are faster than photons unless
there's some error.
It might be nice to know the metal mass and temps as well.
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Inexpensive steam/water calorimeter
A simple inexpensive continuously
Congrats! You are doing some good work.
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Review of Travel report by Hanno Essén and Sven Kullander,
3 April 2011
On Sep 21, 2011, at
Who knows enough about sound velocity in various quality steam?
- Original Message -
From: Jouni Valkonen
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About measurement of steam with Galantini probe
Mattia, you can also measure the
]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat
At 04:19 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote:
Have it your way.
We can't see inside the tap (or know what type it is), or if it's only partly
open -- it is probably more constricted than the outlet.
Still there is little
Pulses cause significant skin effect because their Fourier components consist
of high frequency harmonics.
- Original Message -
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Debunking Steorn Orbo
From:
, 2011 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Joe Catania wrote:
Why do you think the device is under pressure?
See end of:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net
instead of just dribbling out of the tap?
On Sep 20, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Joe Catania wrote:
One does not have to measure that it is open to the atmosphere since
that is a valid datum. It is no assumption. Assuming it is under
pressure is worthless. You did not observe pressure. What experience
: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Joe Catania wrote:
I don't know the last time you inverted a gallon jug of water but the
water does not come dribbling out.
Of course it does. I didn't say dripping. The water flows from a
gallon container in an unsteady stream
They state there is an auxillary heater.
- Original Message -
From: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
Am 20.09.2011 20:38, schrieb Horace Heffner:
On Sep 20, 2011, at
]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Joe Catania wrote:
Yes a sealed galon bottle may dribble if a hole is poked but if its
vented at the top you should get a steady stream. Or if air enters
through the bottom you don't get a dribble! I scan't confirm high
velocity flow
Really?
- Original Message -
From: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
Am 20.09.2011 19:49, schrieb Horace Heffner:
I think my conclusion was good: None of this indicates
plant.
Am 20.09.2011 21:51, schrieb Joe Catania:
They state there is an auxillary heater.
Yes but they examined all cables and even lifted the devices to see whats
below and I think this extra heater was connected to the blue control box
where they measured the input current
The screaming does not indicate high pressure. It could be a whistle effect
as bubbles of steam are forming in the outlet. Why not experiment and see
how fast a container drains through an outlet the size of the E-Cat's?
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To:
-
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Joe Catania wrote:
Yes a sealed galon bottle may dribble if a hole is poked but if its
vented
That wasn't me. I've never posted to that site. But so what? Is that the
best you can do?
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at
: Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat
At 12:49 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote:
The point is that a gallon empties very quickly even though not vented at
the top. The sound it makes is immaterial and is most like caused by the water
hitting the barrel. I don't
Take some aspirin and see a doctor.
- Original Message -
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:stopping
Horace,
Needless to say... call your doctor or optometrist right away.
:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat
At 02:56 PM 9/20/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 02:33 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_sep11_f.php
I seem to have broken my file ... back soon!
It's back ... I
A 5-7 min draining time is completely consistent with 1 atm (ie no
additional pressure). That represents a flow of ~50ml/s or a velocity of
~15cm/s which is ~ 1/66 of the velocity obtained from dropping for 1 sec in
a gravity field. Since mgh=1/2mv^2, h= 1/2 (.15m/s)^2 /10ms^-2 or h=0.1125cm
I can't agree w/ a diameter of 1 cm.
- Original Message -
From: Alan J Fletcher
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat
At 02:33 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote:
Clearly
But look at the size of the orifice in the video.
- Original Message -
From: Alan J Fletcher
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat
At 03:36 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote
Have it your way. Still there is little pressure necessary.
- Original Message -
From: Alan J Fletcher
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat
At 04:00 PM 9/20/2011, Joe
I'm not going to take it on faith about the AC power being less than DC. I've
done these types of calculations before and I can tell you they are not simple.
A sawtooth wave can generate some extremely high harmonics which have a large
skin effect. I'd need to see the formula used to evaluate
Now you are asking me to take it on faith from you. I find you less convincing
than Steorn.
- Original Message -
From: Peter Heckert
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Debunking Steorn Orbo
Am 19.09.2011 22:22, schrieb Joe
is the paper mentioned?
- Original Message -
From: Peter Heckert
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Debunking Steorn Orbo
Am 19.09.2011 22:33, schrieb Joe Catania:
Now you are asking me to take it on faith from you. I find you
Why do you think the device is under pressure?
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:46 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Joe Catania wrote:
Why do you think the device is under pressure?
See end of:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
I saw the termination as a resignation that there is no anomalous heat. It
showed there is no self-sustaining reaction since the temperature drop is
correlated with power off. The write-up that Lewan gives shoes his lack of
general physics knowledge and that he is most likely a paid biased
Here are some band heater specs. Notice the max temps,
http://www.omega.com/heaters/pdf/HEATER_INTRO_BAND_REF.pdf, As I've said
before I think thermal inertia neatly explains it all. Although there is a
slight rise in temp after power off its hard to believe that CF knows when
we switch the
that a setting of ‘5’ is
50% or 60%; it could even be programmed to be 10% duty cycle. So no useful
calculations OR conclusions can be made during this ramp-up phase.
-Mark
From: Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:58 AM
You're understanding of thermal inertia is incorrect. We don't expect a rapid
decline. With Megajoules in storage a 1000W draw will change the temperature
but little. Its like your telling me you can slow down a Mack tuck by shooting
peas at it. It'll decelerate quickly at first but as it comes
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3264365.ece/BINARY/Report+E-cat+test+September+7+%28pdf%29, I
have to laugh at the hydrogen weight measurement in the Nyteknik Preliminary
Report. The report a 2.7 gram drop in weight after filling with hydrogen.
But an average air molecule weighs about 28
inertia to CF in so
many words!
- Original Message -
From: Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
Hi,
On 14-9-2011 15:05, Joe Catania wrote:
I have to laugh at the hydrogen weight
The E-Cat ran for 35 minutes without electrical power? Did anyone tell you
that the thermal inertia will run the E-Cat for that long?
- Original Message -
From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re:
, September 14, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
The E-Cat ran for 35 minutes without electrical power? Did anyone tell you
that the thermal inertia will run the E-Cat for that long?
At 22:35 input electric power was 2.5 kW. All
geometries.[melting closed or growing perpendicular whiskers]
Fran
From: Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:11 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
A) You're a fool to tell me that the E-Cat
The data after power off are not consistent with a temperature increase from
before power off. In fact there is a steady decline from before power of
which is completely consitent with thermal inertia. The thermal inertia is
of course more than a two minute effect in this E-Cat as examination
I think it caused a rise. There is no rise. Its your imagination. The
temperature at power off is too low and must be discarded. If I bring a piece
of metal the size of an E-Cat to some temperature (and note that this takes
considerable time in the ramp up) and then I cut the power, the
At the end, when the water input valve is opened, then a mixture out of water
and steam comes out with remarkable pressure.
Now, how can we have pressure when the steam outlet is still open?
This troubled me too and I found it unexplainable until I thought that the
valve, valve stem and metal
They admit themselves that steam quality could be as low as 59%. The
pressure in the E-Cat is probably near atmospheric.
- Original Message -
From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at
Pump was stopped at 23:10
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:04 PM
Subject: [Vo]:The pump was left running during the self-sustaining event
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
There is one
For once? I only been saying that one thing- many times. But you'd better
understand that from first principles not from a typo.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at
-up phase.
-Mark
From: Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
I think it caused a rise. There is no rise. Its your imagination. The
temperature at power off
Wrong, nothing like that mass is necessary.
- Original Message -
From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
2011/9/14 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
OrionWorks - Steven
Could be significant. LOL. With the glitches and inaccuracies I see in this
data I doubt anything that small could be considered significant. I doubt there
is even hydriding occuring. Thermal inertis explains it. Definitely I won;t let
you ascribe a 0.7C for 5 min glitch to CF. That would be
They probably go from 80 to 100% in going from 8 to 9. So its obvious that
thermal inertia would take it out about 2hrs.
- Original Message -
From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
What was personally communicated to me by JR is, of course, beyond SVJ's
ken. You seem to keen to overllok data which shows up the obvious flaw in
your CF bias.
- Original Message -
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday,
If you want the response from Sun Tzu study it yourself. If you have nothing
to say why refer me to Sun Tzu. Are you saying he does have something to
say?
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:22 PM
this procedure, from the things that are less clear by nature, but
clearer to us, towards things that are clearer and better known by nature.
(Phys. 184a10-21)
- Original Message -
From: Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:40 PM
are programmable, we cannot assume that a setting of ‘5’ is
50% or 60%; it could even be programmed to be 10% duty cycle. So no useful
calculations OR conclusions can be made during this ramp-up phase.
-Mark
From: Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14
no useful
calculations OR conclusions can be made during this ramp-up phase.
-Mark
From: Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik
I think it caused a rise
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From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com] wrote:
I'm not sanguine on any of the theories popularized
so far like Widom-Larsen, Rossi's
I'm not sanguine on any of the theories pppularized so far like
Widom-Larsen, Rossi's theories, Piantelli's, BEC, etc. They've all been
discredited. Ultracold neutrons simply don't work. The effective mass
explanation does not wash. Other of W-L papers are simply not believeable.
If you read
10kW sounds very low, are you in the South?
- Original Message -
From: Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline
Am 01.09.2011 23:12, schrieb Peter Heckert:
I have to question that order, esp the heater abutting the lead. Also I'm
not entirely convinced there isn't electrical conduction through the water.
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011
You should measure the increase in your sparging more accurately for
instance in a graduated cylinder.
- Original Message -
From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Corrections to heat after death
to take up residence in a cold fusion forum.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Corrections to heat after death calculations
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
Not only have I been
I begin to see you can be gracious where Mother Nature isn't.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Corrections to heat after death calculations
Joe Catania wrote:
ahem Mother Nature
after death calculations
On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Joe Catania wrote:
[snip ad hominem and continued mistakes]
We aren't discussing water flow.
[snip ad hominem and continued mistakes]
Of course we are discussing water flow. The device had water
.
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Corrections to heat after death calculations
On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Joe Catania wrote:
[snip ad hominem and continued mistakes]
We aren't
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