: jedrothw...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:39:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if it
produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep going it
will convince
From: Sunil Shah
We have a small machine for experience and testing in our
headquarter ...About the full-size machines: Both equipment are
demonstration models with capacity to generate 30 KW.
And Company founded in 02/04/2006,
borrow angular momentum from the Earth for a period of time, but the complete
system momentum will be conserved.
Dave
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From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
So
will be conserved.
Dave
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From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
So if you could extract useful energy from the earth's rotation it would mean
it is possible to violate
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*Sent:* Saturday, February 08, 2014 4:14 PM
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Yes, some combination of that and tidal forces from the moon, perhaps.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
hoyt-stea...@cox.net mailto:hoyt
And the reply is that you cant change the total angular momentum of the
system without reference to something external to said system (e.g. the
moon) so a windmill (or an RAR engine) working within the system can
take angular momentum from the earth (e.g. by spinning), but it will
give it back
to the air
flowing due to wind.
Dave
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From: Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
And the reply is that you cant change the total angular momentum
Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:
And the reply is that you cant change the total angular momentum of the
system without reference to something external to said system (e.g. the
moon) so a windmill (or an RAR engine) working within the system can take
angular momentum from the earth
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
You make an excellent point Nigel. Even an artillery shell that has its
apparent path diverted by the coriolis effect is not given extra energy from
the earth, but instead travels in a free path. The earth rotates out from
beneath
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You make an excellent point Nigel. Even an artillery shell that has
its apparent path diverted by the coriolis effect is not given extra
energy from the earth, but instead travels in a free path. The earth
rotates out from beneath the original aim point
I thought the justifications for these mechanical over-unity machines came
from some kind of non-conservation during JERK (the derivative of
acceleration) and the machines were designed to produce jerk. Does anyone
else remember the justification based on non-conservation during jerk?
Perhaps
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought the justifications for these mechanical over-unity machines came
from some kind of non-conservation during JERK (the derivative of
acceleration) and the machines were designed to produce jerk. Does anyone
...@thedyers.org.uk]
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:34 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
As I found out some years ago when I spent a couple of months on this,
whatever system you come up with, when you actually go through the maths it
comes up with the same answer
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
So jerk is conserved, snap is conserved, crackle is conserved, pop is
conserved and all higher as yet unnamed derivatives are also
conserved.
If anyone is unfamiliar with or a little incredulous at the use of these
, what's the chances of analyzing these bizarre non-linear
maxwellian/relativistic/quantum mechanical kinds
of problems.
Hoyt
*From:* Nigel Dyer [mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk]
*Sent:* Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:34 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
:* Nigel Dyer [mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk]
*Sent:* Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:34 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
As I found out some years ago when I spent a couple of months on this,
whatever system you come up with, when you actually go through
I wrote:
I feel I'm getting a little more entertainment out of the explanation about
the use of the jerk vector to obtain energy from the unbalanced wheel than
I should.
No double entendre intended. The scheme just sounds so wishful and
fanciful that it's hard not to be a little amused by
that is present for
the extraction of energy from the Earth's rotation?
Bob
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From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
You're undoubtedly right. It makes me wonder
maxwellian/relativistic/quantum mechanical kinds
of problems.
Hoyt
*From:* Nigel Dyer [mailto:l...@thedyers.org.uk]
*Sent:* Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:34 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
As I found out some years ago when I spent a couple of months
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Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
...and the rotational speed of the earth will descrease as a consequence.
harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 3:06 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Focault's pendulum could be used to extract energy from the rotation
-
*From:* Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. mailto:hoyt-stea...@cox.net
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sunday, February 09, 2014 11:15 AM
*Subject:* RE: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
You're undoubtedly right. It makes me wonder if these simple
newtonian problems
You need to be thinking of momentum instead of energy Harry. The two are not
interchangeable.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Oh, now I get
Harry. The two
are not interchangeable.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Oh, now I get the point.
You can't build a mechanism which extracts more
.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Oh, now I get the point.
You can't build a mechanism which extracts more energy from the rotation
of the earth
The other machine built here in my city seems to be not aligned
North/South.
http://goo.gl/maps/UOXzY
Mark Jordan
On 09-Feb-14 20:55, Brad Lowe wrote:
The Gilman machine appears aligned North and South.
The building it is housed in is parallel to 600 East Rd.
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Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
The initial momentum of the pendulum does not have to come from the rotation of
the earth.
It could come from some chemical energy such as a muscle or a bomb.
Harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 5:13 PM, David Roberson
of equal and opposite magnitude.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
The initial momentum of the pendulum does not have to come from the
rotation
alone. The location of the
bullet at rest might lead to a different moment of inertia for the system.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Yes
moment of inertia for the system.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Yes, but those laws do not prohibit the Earth's rotation from being
slowed
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Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
So if you could extract useful energy from the earth's rotation it would mean
it is possible to violate the conservation of angular momentum.
Harry
On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober
system momentum will be conserved.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
So if you could extract useful energy from the earth's rotation it would
mean
Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona US
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Jed Rothwell
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com
From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Perhaps the energy is coming from the rotational energy of
the earth, i.e.
Coriolis effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect
Hoyt,
Do we know the alignment of the structure which is housing
Pretty good explanation
http://www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/eotvos.php
Here is how close it cuts. At 60 degrees latitude, any object co-moving with
the Earth has its weight reduced by about 0.08 percent, thanks to the
Earth's rotation... snip... but you only can capture half of that on paper,
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Pretty good explanation
http://www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/eotvos.php
Here is how close it cuts. At 60 degrees latitude, any object co-moving with
the Earth has its weight reduced by about 0.08 percent, thanks to the
Earth's rotation
Jed Rothwell
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22Jed+Rothwell%22
Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:00:37 -0800
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20140207
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Let it run for a long time on a glass table.
There
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
The ultimate claim is that the observers are all paid and in on the fraud.
For example, I have read that the Elforsk test of the Hot Cat can't be
believed because (a) Levi is a biased friend (b) power was surreptitiously
run to the device. (c) the
tiny.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 8:18 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Perhaps the energy is coming from the rotational energy of the earth, i.e.
Coriolis effect
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Skeptical by experience. We tested spirals, pulsed, shielded . . .
every configuration we could imagine and found them conservative.
But, I'm still open if someone has a new idea.
Just to give you an idea of how far we
Was the clear fluid in the stemmed glasses and important part of the design?
Some kind of special lubricant, perhaps :)
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Skeptical by experience. We tested spirals, pulsed, shielded . . .
every configuration we could imagine and found them
much force is
internally generated and could it self destruct?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2014 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Terry Blanton
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:41 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Terry, did you come to the conclusion that most if not all of these magnet
motors operated by extracting the energy stored within the magnets? Of
course, that would imply that only a finite amount of total energy could be
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Was the clear fluid in the stemmed glasses and important part of the design?
Some kind of special lubricant, perhaps :)
We were exhausted after mounting that 600 lb monster in the frame. It
kept jerking our chain lift out
, February 8, 2014 12:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
wrote:
Actually, the person you want to convince is Terry Blanton. He is our
resident expert in magnetic motors. He says he looked
]:: RAR gravity engine
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Skeptical by experience. We tested spirals, pulsed, shielded . . .
every configuration we could imagine and found them conservative.
But, I'm still open if someone has a new idea.
Just to give you
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:45 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Geez Terry, three people standing around drinking white wine, while watching
one guy do all the work!
Can I get a job there??
We had the worker and
Quality Inspector
Safety Officer
Project Manager
Trade Labor Foreman
08, 2014 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine
Yes, some combination of that and tidal forces from the moon, perhaps.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net
wrote:
Perhaps the energy is coming from the rotational energy of the earth, i.e
RAR are progressing with the construction of their second gravity
engine and posted four new photos today.
Presumably they have now had some operating experience of the first
model yet continue to build the second one.
http://www.rarenergia.com.br/gilman%20oficial%2019%20eng.JPG
ref
Is there an explanation somewhere of how this machine is supposed to work?
Who's funding the projects?
[m]
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:29 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
RAR are progressing with the construction of their second gravity
engine and posted four new photos today.
Mark,
Click on the second link.
Starting at image #53 (and later) there are some diagrams. If you can
understand how it works from those, or from the patent, please let me
know ;-)
It is the brainchild of RAR Energia and funded by them
It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if it
produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep going
it will convince everyone.
After the superconducting supercollider was abandoned, some Young Turk
physicists began to rethink the whole idea. I
I wrote:
It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if it
produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep going
it will convince everyone.
Maybe it can't overcome friction? Maybe the gadget resembles a Tokamak, as
in: You can't make a small one
Jed wrote:
It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if
it produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep
going it will convince everyone.
They claimed they had a small model working first. I think you need
something bigger to be believed and
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
They claimed they had a small model working first. I think you need
something bigger to be believed and attract attention.
Okay, but surely not THIS big!
There are several small magnet motors that the inventors claim work but
no one believes
Jed wrote:
Okay, but surely not THIS big!
Ah, but you missed the bit about getting attention.
AA There are several small magnet motors that the inventors claim
work but no one believes them.
Many people would believe them if they would perform a proper
demonstration. It is not difficult
a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Let it run for a long time on a glass table.
There is always some claim. It has a battery hidden in it etc.
It is easy to eliminate that objection. Weigh the entire device and compute
how much energy it could hold if the entire device is a battery.
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
And why do they make laser fusion gadgets so huge?
Because only the big ones cost billions of dollars.
Eric
On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, the person you want to convince is Terry Blanton. He is our
resident expert in magnetic motors. He says he looked at some of them
closely and found they did not work.
Skeptical by experience. We tested
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