Steven Krivit wrote:
Actually, I did not assume. I called Bev up and spoke with her about
publishing the document before I had done so.
Ha! That's proper form.
She did not have a problem with me publishing it . . .
Yes. She didn't object after I told her about my copy either. Apparently
At 07:26 AM 11/21/2009, you wrote:
Steven Krivit wrote:
Actually, I did not assume. I called Bev up and spoke with her about
publishing the document before I had done so.
Ha! That's proper form.
Uncharacteristic, I realize. But it was not necessary. She had already
written to people
The hilarity continues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Coppertwigdiff=nextoldid=326828319
::P.S. Think about it. If cold fusion had any remote possibility of
working, would the DIA be releasing this publicly, so that foreign
governments could read it and start putting
Actually, I did not assume. I called Bev up and spoke with her about
publishing the document before I had done so. She did not have a problem
with me publishing it and she even gave me some suggestions as to how I
could find a copy. Very nice lady.
At 11:09 AM 11/19/2009, you wrote:
Steven
, November 19, 2009 1:27:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hilarious response to DIA paper in Wikipedia
endless fun. where's my rubber mallet so i can hit my forehead with it
continuously
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
In a way, ya
the wind  :_)
-Fran
- Original Message -
From: Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:27:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hilarious response to DIA paper in Wikipedia
endless fun. where's my rubber mallet so i
Mauro Lacy wrote:
Yes, but it would be better if that document could be downloaded and/or
referenced from a goverment site.
Yes, it would be better, but the DIA does not do that. So that's not an
option.
I searched and couldn't find any
official reference. If it's an unclassified document,
okay, WHERE was it published, is the big question.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mauro Lacy wrote:
Yes, but it would be better if that document could be downloaded and/or
referenced from a goverment site.
Yes, it would be better, but the DIA does
Mauro Lacy wrote:
Yes, but it would be better if that document could be downloaded and/or
referenced from a goverment site.
Yes, it would be better, but the DIA does not do that. So that's not an
option.
I searched and couldn't find any
official reference. If it's an unclassified
Jed sez:
...
It was published by the Agency. Just not on the Internet. It was released on
Friday the 13th. Do you think I would upload unpublished material?!? Do you
think I want to get in trouble with a Federal agency?
I presume not! ;-)
...but that does not answer the principal question:
Steven V Johnson wrote:
...but that does not answer the principal question: How does one
verify its pedigree?
For those of us (particularly me!) who may not be as quick witted as
you appear to be can you clarify how you went about verifying the
presumed legitimacy of this report?
Ask the
Jed sez:
Steven V Johnson wrote:
...but that does not answer the principal question: How does one
verify its pedigree?
For those of us (particularly me!) who may not be as quick witted as
you appear to be can you clarify how you went about verifying the
presumed legitimacy of this report?
Alexander Hollins wrote:
okay, WHERE was it published, is the big question.
At the Defense Intelligence Agency, document DIA-08-0911-003, like it
says. Maybe I misunderstand this comment.
I suppose you mean WHERE on the web was it published. Nowhere as far
as I know. We have lots of
Jed sez:
(By the way, they said they can't provide it in Acrobat text format.
A shame.)
Another fine example of our tax dollars working for our benefit!
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.orionworks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Thanks Jed for the clarification.
There's a new comment by V now on wikipedia, stating that
public(unclassified) documents are, erm, public. So, no take down is
legally enforceable.
And also raising the question of how to deal with government documents
which are unclassified, but not published on
Steven V Johnson wrote:
Ask the authors, I guess.
You guess???
How else?
I guess you could ask the Agency but I expect your request would be
lost in the shuffle.
I am sure of the pedigree because the authors sent me the document.
That's a good point. Thanks for revealing that little
Mauro Lacy wrote:
And also raising the question of how to deal with government documents
which are unclassified, but not published on the internet. A good point to
be made in Wikipedia, I think, for this and future cases.
As far as I know, the ERAB report is not available on any government
Jed sed:
I guess you could ask the Agency but I expect your request would be
lost in the shuffle.
and...
I am sure of the pedigree because the authors sent me the document.
For which I sed:
That's a good point. Thanks for revealing that little tidbit.
For which Jed sed:
I said that a
At 06:47 AM 11/19/2009, you wrote:
okay, WHERE was it published, is the big question.
This is a good question. Here is the answer: Beverly Barnhart distributed
it on Monday with the following note:
OK folks,
The LENR paper (below) finally got released on Friday and should have
gone into
At 07:21 AM 11/19/2009, you wrote:
Steven V Johnson wrote:
...but that does not answer the principal question: How does one
verify its pedigree?
For those of us (particularly me!) who may not be as quick witted as
you appear to be can you clarify how you went about verifying the
presumed
okay, so when they publish the read books, there is an actual printed
volume to go with it, yes? so get the name of it, if not simply OSD
Read Book, and the volume number. boom, proper citation.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Steven Krivit
stev...@newenergytimes.com wrote:
At 06:47 AM
Steven Krivit quoted the distribution letter that I also quoted:
OK folks,
The LENR paper (below) finally got released on Friday and should have
gone into the OSD (at least the ATL) read books this morning. The paper is
unclassified so feel free to forward it to whomever you think would be
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience, you can always distribute government documents of this
nature.
And why not . . . we paid for it. :-)
Terry
At 08:24 AM 11/19/2009, froarty...@comcast.net wrote:
They have been trumped by a government document and know their
previous positions are now all compromised. They built a house of
cards and here comes the wind :_)
They have been trumped by a government document and know their
previous
At 09:24 AM 11/19/2009, Mauro Lacy wrote:
In my opninion, if this reference is not presented, an skeptic can still
argument, with a reasonable level of doubt, that the document is a
fake/it's not official.
It's certainly desirable to have a direct reference, but, in fact,
anyone who trusts
At 09:41 AM 11/19/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It was published by the Agency. Just not on the Internet. It was
released on Friday the 13th. Do you think I would upload unpublished
material?!? Do you think I want to get in trouble with a Federal agency?
How did you get a copy? The copy I saw was
At 10:47 AM 11/19/2009, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
I certainly do not dispute this. However, and as I'm sure you know,
many skeptics use circuitous reasoning. They will refuse to accept the
basis of such information because they have already banned the
original sources of these
At 10:56 AM 11/19/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Valid, schmalid. It is just silly. If they don't want to believe
this is a genuine document, that's their problem. They will never
allow a link to a document like this anyway. They can't link to my
copy (Wikipedia automatically rejects links to
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 09:41 AM 11/19/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It was published by the Agency. Just not on the Internet. It was released
on Friday the 13th. Do you think I would upload unpublished material?!? Do
you think I want
At 11:28 AM 11/19/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Mauro Lacy wrote:
And also raising the question of how to deal with government documents
which are unclassified, but not published on the internet. A good point to
be made in Wikipedia, I think, for this and future cases.
As far as I know, the ERAB
In a way, ya gotta love these people! See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cold_fusion#U.S._Defense_Intelligence_Agency_document
- Jed
endless fun. where's my rubber mallet so i can hit my forehead with it
continuously
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
In a way, ya gotta love these people! See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cold_fusion#U.S._Defense_Intelligence_Agency_document
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