[Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Peter, Jed and others-- It would seem the only PHOSITA that was required by the agreement was for the low temperature E-Cat. Rossi has indicated he taught the IH engineers what was necessary to operate the E-Cat, probably up to a COP of 6. That is all the patent identified. The Hot Cat

Re: [Vo]:Re: Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

Mark Jurich wrote: Folks, you send “water” through a hole in the wall, and back comes > something. You can’t assume it’s water. > Yes. > You have to analyze it. Want me to give you a few dozen more examples > of this, where you can’t assume? ... Knowing what the

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: CONTRIBUTION FROM V. VYSOTSKII, NEW DISPUTE GENERATOR LAUNCHED<,

The circulating water amounted to 36m^3/day, which gives ~0.41l/s, that's 410g/s. 1g of water needs 4.1J/g to increase 1C, so that quantity of water absorbed ~1700W for every C. Water entered at 60C, so, we have that the liquid part absorbed ~70kW. The latetent heat of water, assuming, 1 atm, is

[Vo]:Re: Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

Folks, you send “water” through a hole in the wall, and back comes something. You can’t assume it’s water. You have to analyze it. Want me to give you a few dozen more examples of this, where you can’t assume? ... Knowing what the customer is doing with the water educates one in what to look

[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

Craig and Alain-- Mutagenic changes in gene cells are not always corrected in the egg cells of females nor in the sperm cell of males. However damaged egg cells are more likely because they stay vital for many years, sometimes a much as 60 years in humans. If an egg cell incurs a mutagenic

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

a.ashfield wrote: > I have experience of ~90 glass melting furnaces ranging from 4 - 450 T/day. > The electrically heated ones were quite cool because the superstructure is > not hot. The gas fired ones use ~4 million BTU per ton so a 250 t/day > melter would use the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, I have experience of ~90 glass melting furnaces ranging from 4 - 450 T/day.The electrically heated ones were quite cool because the superstructure is not hot.The gas fired ones use ~4 million BTU per ton so a 250 t/day melter would use the equivalent of 12208 KW.The glass is heated to

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, They may have been 20KW. I found a link that indicates that he did indeed switch from the smaller e-cats to the 250KW units. The URL is "http://hydrofusion.com/news/e-cat-third-quarter-developments-2015; The main quote is: "Built-in Redundancy In the first week of August, 2015,

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed, I understood that he did indeed have 4 250 kW units in the container which he used for the test. The older 50 or so smaller units were also in the container as back up units but were never used in 1 year test, only the 250 W units were used apparently. There are pictures I think on

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Robert Dorr wrote: > Didn't Rossi switch from the small square 10kw boxes you refer to, to 4 > 250kw units. I think there are 50 boxes in the latest unit, so that's 20 kW per box = 1,000 kW. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, Didn't Rossi switch from the small square 10kw boxes you refer to, to 4 250kw units. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR At 01:17 PM 5/15/2016, you wrote: Okay, here are the specs for these boilers:

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Okay, here are the specs for these boilers: file:///home/chronos/u-1160197d37ec1500e70f021620dd3bae3f09f41c/Downloads/DR_Electric%20Steam%20Boiler_Nov10.pdf The models S242 and CR242 are both 420 kW. The dimensions for both are listed in inches: 43" L x 58" W x 78" H That's 1 m x 1.5 m x 2 m

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Thanks Eric. From the specs I got the impression it was about 1 sq m (30x30x60 inches) but perhaps it was a component as it looks bigger in your picture. Still should fit in a container though. More interesting to me was the data about efficiency. I wish there was an HVAC engineer who has

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Stephen Cooke wrote: http://www.cleaverbrooks.com/Products-and-Solutions/Boilers/Electric/Model-IWH/Index.aspx > > Would this not be equivalent to a 250 kW ecat unit? > The max is 350 kW. Here is an image with a person to show the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hello Jed, I'm clearly no expert and do not claim to be but there are interesting examples of electrical boilers on the Internet. Here is an interesting link to a electrical water heater that seems comparable to an e-cat unit.

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Robert Dorr wrote: > I just don't see why it is so difficult determining the COP of such a > large system. As far as I can see you have to make a few measurements to > get a very good idea of a thermal plants performance. . . . > It is not difficult when you stick to the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

I just don't see why it is so difficult determining the COP of such a large system. As far as I can see you have to make a few measurements to get a very good idea of a thermal plants performance. 1) temperature of water going in, 2) temperature or water going out, 3) water flow rate, 4)

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Robert Dorr wrote: > Since you are in communication with someone that is linked to I.H. maybe > you can answer a few questions. > Sorry, I cannot address these questions. I hope that I.H. will be able to address them. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed Thanks again for your patience with my questions. I know they were a bit basic but I wanted to clarify exactly the understanding. Most the thermal issues especially the waste heat are honestly over my head so I will leave that to experts. If there is less than 20kW thermal output I

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil-- Don’t be so mean! Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:00 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat But there is a contradiction here since IH accepted that the Rossi reactor does produce gainful heat to the tune of $11,500,000

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat Hi, On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: I would note that all the Agreement called for is a COP of 4. The second amendment to the agreement modified this detail to stipulate

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat How do you know that this trial will be a jury trial? Reference? On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: Axil-- Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments on e

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Stephen Cooke wrote: This is probably a naive question on my part, so I apologize for that. But > in the interest of clarity I wonder if the definition of "excess heat" and > "heat balance" is the same for all parties. I strongly expect it is of > course. > As far as

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed, This is probably a naive question on my part, so I apologize for that. But in the interest of clarity I wonder if the definition of "excess heat" and "heat balance" is the same for all parties. I strongly expect it is of course. It seems from what you said that the technicians

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, Since you are in communication with someone that is linked to I.H. maybe you can answer a few questions. 1) Is I.H.'s finding that the 1 MW e-cat plant produced no heat (COP <1) based on the very same data set that Rossi used to determine that the COP was greater than 50? Is the COP

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

But there is a contradiction here since IH accepted that the Rossi reactor does produce gainful heat to the tune of $11,500,000. This payment was made on response to the demonstration of a COP 6 or above for a 24 hour period as defined in the license agreement. You must be in error in your

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: > Jed or another could negotiate the COP down but by how much is the > question. 50 is really high to come down from. > I cannot negotiate anything. I have no standing in this and no role. I am not a professional HVAC engineer licensed in Florida, so no

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Jed-- > > You noted that: > > > > > > THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE PRODUCING 50 TIME THE INPUT ENERGY. > > > If the COP is less than four, the amount paid is reduced proportionately. So a COP of 1,1 could still make

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi, On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Bob Cook wrote: I would note that all the Agreement called for is a COP of 4. > The second amendment to the agreement modified this detail to stipulate, as I understand it, a graduated payment for a COP between 2.6 and 6, with the

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed-- You noted that: “Think about it for a moment. Rossi says the machine is producing 50 times input. I.H. says it is producing no heat. One of them has to be drastically wrong. Completely, utterly mistaken, and grossly incompetent. Or, perhaps, fraudulent. There is no middle ground here.’

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Bob Cook wrote: Adrian-- > > I think it is a simple as Rossi using his skill (art not IP) at operation > and tuning the proper conditions which is not part of the IP he agreed to > transfer. IH technicians have not learned the art yet . . . No, it is much simpler than

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

How do you know that this trial will be a jury trial? Reference? On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > > > Axil-- > > Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments > on either side and decides if they are appropriate. The Jury

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil-- Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments on either side and decides if they are appropriate. The Jury will decide whether or not the intent of the agreement was met. I would agree the wording will be important to the decision of the Jury. I am not

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Adrian-- I think it is a simple as Rossi using his skill (art not IP) at operation and tuning the proper conditions which is not part of the IP he agreed to transfer. IH technicians have not learned the art yet, and, as others not proficient in the art of operating a E-Cat, are not able to

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jed, Well, he might accept it in return for a large sum of money. > Why would IH pay a large sum of money for something that produced no excess energy whatsoever? Thank you for your insight. Patrick

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

in Alaska--now 16 years old with no apparent degradation--I will be delighted. Bob Cook -Original Message- From: a.ashfield Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 10:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu) Bob, How much did the 16 panel installation cost?

[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

Bob, How much did the 16 panel installation cost?

[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

Adrian- I also own 16 solar panels. Since they were installed on May 4, 2016 I have earned about $100 for the energy I have produced. The current power being generated is at 3 kw at 9:30 in the morning. I should do about 25 kwh today at about $0.63 / kwh. :) With a $5500 tax credit or

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Patrick Ellul wrote: Jed, > > If it is a matter of calorimetry as you insist, why would they ever settle > out of court? > I only say that because people often settle out of court. Their lawyers may advise them to do that to save money. Rossi will never accept that it

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jed, If it is a matter of calorimetry as you insist, why would they ever settle out of court? Rossi claims it totally rocked while IH claim it totally did not work whatsoever. Settlement would mean that there is a middle ground in terms of success based on calorimetry. Settlement would mean

[Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals

6 11:55 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals There is an opinion around that says that all atoms that comprise rydberg matter are entangled. In this state, a cluster of N atoms form a lattice in which each member of this aggregation is identical to all

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals

There is an opinion around that says that all atoms that comprise rydberg matter are entangled. In this state, a cluster of N atoms form a lattice in which each member of this aggregation is identical to all the other members of the aggregation. That means that all the atoms act in lock step so

[Vo]:Re: Rydberg Matter and electron orbitals

One key feature that Higgins has identified is the nature of the outer (way out) electron. He noted that it is planar in nature and the outer electron can exhibit different shapes and angular momentum and interact with nuclei. in the RM to hold it together---a bond. Such bonding suggests a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Stephen Cooke wrote: > Especially when you can't discuss some things you know about the current > context and have to instead draw on older material to which you had > concerns about at the time but previously gave the benefit of the doubt. > Yes, that is the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Bob Cook wrote: > [Dunn] seems to be more of a marketer for hydrogen fuel and renewable > energy. There could have been some conflict of interest with Rossi’s goals > of marketing his E-Cat. Who knows, maybe Rossi saw thru the $15 M offer > Jed talks about and

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Thanks Jed for replying, I can appreciate its not easy taking your stance and that it's difficult for you to explain things from this view point. Especially when you can't discuss some things you know about the current context and have to instead draw on older material to which you had concerns

[Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 7:06 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems Stephen Cooke <stephen_coo...@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Jed, do you know what the temperature of the steam was? I know pract

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Stephen Cooke wrote: Hi Jed, do you know what the temperature of the steam was? > I know practically nothing about this device. Rossi never described it. Jim Dunn never got a chance to evaluate it, because Rossi threw him out. There are some photos of it at Krivit's

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Hi Jed, do you know what the temperature of the steam was? I understood you mentioned that Jim said the pressure also rose, but I wonder if it was at air pressure if it might have explained the lack of apparent steam vapour? If the steam was much hotter than 100 deg C at air pressure it would

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Axil Axil wrote: When a test is designed, a test plan is generated that defines what the > test is going to do and how it is going to do it in detail. Both parties > look at the test plan and sign off on that plan. > > This I.H. test plan should had the test procedures

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

When a test is designed, a test plan is generated that defines what the test is going to do and how it is going to do it in detail. Both parties look at the test plan and sign off on that plan. This I.H. test plan should had the test procedures defined in detail which includes how energy

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

a.ashfield wrote: "No, it was just debris or something. This sort of thing happens with > experiments." > > It would require BOTH the inlet and outlet to be blocked. Good point. Maybe it was just a boil-off reactor? I do not know. Jim said the outlet was blocked so the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jed, Surely you can answer yes or no. " The reactor was turned off. Hours later it was cooler but when they opened it, the room was filled with steam." "Hours later." Surely that tells you heat was being generated. "No, it was just debris or something. This sort of thing happens with

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

a.ashfield wrote: > Did anyone tell you why it was bad? I cannot discuss this. Sorry. > If the E-Cat test that nearly exploded was like the ones that were > demonstrated I can understand that one would not expect it to get blocked - > both inlet and outlet. The

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jed, Did anyone tell you why it was bad? Yes or no. You don't have to discuss it although I don't see why it should be secret.. If the E-Cat test that nearly exploded was like the ones that were demonstrated I can understand that one would not expect it to get blocked - both inlet and

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

a.ashfield wrote: > Did anyone tell you why it was "bad"? > That I cannot discuss. Sorry. I find it very hard to believe one could make an error of x50. > It is hard to believe. But we have all seen errors of this magnitude on a small scale, and even on the kilowatt

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jed, "That is a little unclear. I mean: I cannot describe the details, but the gist of it is, I.H. thinks that Rossi's calorimetry is badly done and his conclusions are invalid. Experts from outside of I.H. have examined the calorimetry and they told me they agree with I.H. As I said

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

I wrote: > can you reveal why? >> > > Sorry, no I cannot describe details. I will say that sources outside of > I.H. confirmed that the calorimetry is badly done. > That is a little unclear. I mean: I cannot describe the details, but the gist of it is, I.H. thinks that Rossi's calorimetry is

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Axil Axil wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > > I heard a few reports that I.H. was not happy. >> >> - Jed >> >> can you reveal why? > Sorry, no I cannot describe details. I will say that sources outside of I.H.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jack, I respect that people change opinion. I mostly disagree with the labels put on Rossi in this case. I do not know him as Jed points out. However, I have met a few entrepreneurs and he certainly sounds like one. Another thing is that I have operated as IH and I understand their dilemma. I am

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I heard a few reports that I.H. was not happy. > > - Jed > > can you reveal why?

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

I wrote: > As I said -- over and over -- I know several skilled people who are > working with I.H., and who knows what Rossi has done. > I mean they know what he did previously, with NASA and others. I doubt they know about the 1-year test. Everyone knows about NASA because the people from NASA

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Bob Cook wrote: I also hope so for the sake of City dwellers in Anchorage and Fairbanks > does something. For example, the State could use eminent domain to take > over the oil leases and the pipeline from the usurious oil companies and

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jack Cole wrote: I think Jed cares about the truth and hates that the situation has turned > out the way it has. > I.H. hates it way more than I do! I feel terrible for them. Fortunately, it seems they intend to stay in the field and continue funding other researchers. Thank

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Lennart, Many of us sounded different before. It has taken us awhile to get more information about the situation (e.g., negative replications galore, repeated patterns of egregious mistakes made by Rossi / the people he chooses to conduct "tests"). I very much understand the desire to believe

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed - nobody but Rossi has a claim with IH. > Do you mean only Rossi is working with I.H? That is incorrect. I know several researchers funded by them. I think you need to tell what you know and how that makes you so sure about > the situation. >

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jed - nobody but Rossi has a claim with IH. I think you need to tell what you know and how that makes you so sure about the situation. I still do not agree with the way you have thrown Rossi under the bus. Not long ago you sounded different. You have other info you need to present it or your say

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Bob Cook wrote: > I forgot to mention the Japanese ( I think Misuno) R work. They are > not above spoon feeding. They even pay as a dessert course. I trust you > remember your job as a consultant on calorimetric measurements for their > experiments. > That has

[Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Rothwell Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 4:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: I think I understand why you believe NASA the Navy and elsewhere, a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Bob Cook wrote: > I think I understand why you believe NASA the Navy and elsewhere, as well > as the venture capitalists—they have spoon-feed you. Most of them are the > same government/energy village, not unlike the “nuclear village in Japan, > that has tried to

[Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

-humble opinion. I do have a good idea who you have talked to, since you have identified them over the 2 plus years I have participated in the Vortex-l blog. Bob Cook From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:50 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Bob Cook wrote: IMHO you seem to select those folks who you want to believe, and distrust > those that seem to support Rossi’s comments. > It may seem so to you, but you are wrong. I have met with and worked with many people who worked with Rossi -- or tried to work

[Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Jed-- IMHO you seem to select those folks who you want to believe, and distrust those that seem to support Rossi’s comments. Along the lines of throwing people out of offices, I was once after interviewing for a job thrown out of a an apparently competent engineer’s office. The

Re: [Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Bob Cook wrote: > As best I can see from the agreement, the idea was to demonstrate a long > term test with an average COP of at least 4. This was (possibly) > accomplished. > It was not accomplished. The device produced no excess heat. That's what they told me, in no

[Vo]:Re: Let's continue to think about passive vs active approach to LENR 's existentil problems

Bob Higgins-- I agree with most of what you say below. However, my reading of the agreement between Rossi and IH does not include unlimited transfer of IP by Rossi. I thought the scope of the IP involved was spelled out in the specific documents containing the IP. I would not suppose that

[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

Eric-- You noted: “I suppose governments will step in if things get usurious.” I also hope so for the sake of City dwellers in Anchorage and Fairbanks does something. For example, the State could use eminent domain to take over the oil leases and the pipeline from the usurious oil

[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

Bob Higgins-- The political environment is all important, particularly the different environments between states. In progressive liberal states, Washington falling into this category IMHO, the utilities do not have the power that they have in states such as Florida and and the middle west and

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

Incentives and net metering were great... I say were. They are now largely a thing of the past. When I lived in S. FL, I installed a grid-tie system (5.4 kW rated) and was able to net 0 kWH for about 6 months out of the year (3500 sq ft home with two high efficiency A/C units). I got incentives

[Vo]:Re: Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

Yesterday at 10:15 AM I starting making solar power and distributing it to the grid at $0.63 per Kwh. (Washington is progressive.) I used about 4 Kwh’s at the house that cost me $0.50. I produced about 18 Kwh before it clouded over at about 3 PM. I banked about $8.82. This summer while

[Vo]:Re: DCE, PEC and TiH2

RE: [Vo]:Re: DCE, PEC and TiH2Jones-- Several additional observations/ideas: 1. If resonances are involved in the mechanism(s) for release of heat, getting two or more associated with different mechanisms to happen at the same time (or in a very short time) may be tough and be the reason why

RE: [Vo]:Re: DCE, PEC and TiH2

From: Bob Cook If I understand the crux of your theory, there is a phase change going on that harvests energy from some source…In the cases where a plasma is apparent, what is the nature of the phase change you indicate is happening? Bob, One of the main problems with LENR from the start

Re: [Vo]:Re: DCE, PEC and TiH2

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Bob Cook wrote: me356’s Vortex-l email this morning is interesting in this > regard—particularly the purple glow in his quartz see-in reactor. It seems > like there may be a resonance of some sort there. Me356 notes that it > does not

[Vo]:Re: DCE, PEC and TiH2

DCE, PEC and TiH2Jones-- If I understand the crux of your theory, there is a phase change going on that harvests energy from some source. In the cases where a plasma is apparent, what is the nature of the phase change you indicate is happening? Maybe the “plasmas” in some of the active

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

In reply to Bob Cook's message of Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:31:43 -0700: Hi, Try creating 2 volts over a gap that is stuffed with a metal powder i.s.o. air, let alone 10 V. >Robin-- > >The voltage may be an intermittent voltage like in a spark plug. The >current is low but the transient

Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

ividual > technologists—scientists/engineers—instead of a committee of 3 making the > final decision about the theory. > > Bob > > *From:* Ruby <r...@hush.com> > *Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2016 8:09 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper

[Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info Thank you Bob for clarifying that. I did not know what you meant. I do agree, science should not reject obvious data -by definition! Alas it is true, scientists are human, and many see only what they expect to see, so

Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

tex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info That is to say "accept the experimental results and form a theory around the data", not ignore what doesn't fit one's model. The contextual meaning says "accept th

[Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

. For example, material activation from accelerator operations do not come under NRC purview. I do think EPA regulation covers those accelerated produced wastes. Bob From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret

RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

Bob, As mentioned in another thread, John Dash found excess heat and nuclear transmutation using pure titanium cathode and heavy water many years ago. Impurities in the Titanium are not needed… that is, if you use deuterium. But can we accept the consequences of radioactive transmutation

[Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

Jones-- Back on April 21 I commented: “Could impurities in the Ti or Ni FCC structure create a bigger 5 atom hole with a greater transition energy, particularly as changes from alpha to beta phases occur? The correct impurities may allow for a higher reaction temperature for the LENR to go in

[Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info Bob, you are quoting out of context. I am guessing you did not read the paper yet, for in this case, "the obvious" refers to "the scientific results". That is to say "accept the experimental results

[Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

Bob Cook, Elsewhere Rossi has described the Quark X as being like a pencil and producing 100 W. I assume the casing is made out of a ceramic if the reactor can run at 1400C.

Re: [Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

Bob, you are quoting out of context. I am guessing you did not read the paper yet, for in this case, "the obvious" refers to "the scientific results". That is to say "accept the experimental results and form a theory around the data", not ignore what doesn't fit one's model. The

[Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

Robin-- The voltage may be an intermittent voltage like in a spark plug. The current is low but the transient voltage is what is required to initiate the LENR. Spark plugs in cars develop 20,000 volts as you probably know. I have been shocked may times by such voltage sources. I guessed

[Vo]:Re: great paper by Ed Storms, quarrel, a bit of info

Peter-- You quoted Ed Storms as follows: “Once again, science has been forced to either reject the obvious or accept the impossible” (Ed Storms) IMHO the bread and butter of science is accepting the impossible and trying to explain it in a logical manner based on observations of real

[Vo]:Re: Titanium/Hematite combined catalyst for low temperature

-X device. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:56 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Titanium/Hematite combined catalyst for low temperature To the best of my understanding, titanium is not covered in Rossi's patent for the hot cat. On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 2:23 PM

Re: [Vo]:Re: Titanium/Hematite combined catalyst for low temperature

To the best of my understanding, titanium is not covered in Rossi's patent for the hot cat. On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Jones and Robin-- > > Rossi as said today on his blog that he uses Ti in his Quark-x device. > > Bob Cook > > -Original

[Vo]:Re: Titanium/Hematite combined catalyst for low temperature

Jones and Robin-- Rossi as said today on his blog that he uses Ti in his Quark-x device. Bob Cook -Original Message- From: Jones Beene Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:17 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Titanium/Hematite combined catalyst for low temperature Hi Robin,

Re: [Vo]:RE: Popular Mechanics article on LENR and Rossi lawsuit

Dear Jim, More important- what do YOU know, think believe about the entire conflict? I would gladly publish your statement(s) in my blog EGO OUT. thanks in advance, Peter On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 1:45 PM, James Dunn wrote: > See >

[Vo]:RE: Popular Mechanics article on LENR and Rossi lawsuit

See http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a20454/in-cold-fusion-20-whos -scamming-whom/

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