Re: Ambient Gravimagnetic Field and the Earth Field

2006-01-30 Thread Horace Heffner
I made a bunch is calculation errors on the previous posts in this thread, which was typical of me, but things are now looking about right. Ambient Gravimagnetic Field and the Earth Field BACKGROUND Only an object which is solid can sustain torque free precession. Therefor the

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack Jones Beene wrote: John Coviello wrote: H.V: Do buildings that suffer structural failure collapse so

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
John Coviello wrote: - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack Jones Beene wrote: John Coviello wrote: H.V: Do buildings that suffer structural

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence   The issue of whether the fire was hot enough to _melt_ the steel beams may be another red herring -- it just had to be hot enough to soften them enough so that the already damaged supports for one floor broke.  The National Institute

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
I don't see any need for any conspiracy to kill off electric cars at all. The range is awful, they take time to recharge, the battery life sucks and they are small - especially when compared to the profitable SUV's that US manufacturers produce. They suck. I wondered why car companies bothered

CNNMoney.com: Beat High Cost of Gasoline. Forever!

2006-01-30 Thread OrionWorks
FYI See: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/02/06/8367959/index.htm?cnn=yes or http://tinyurl.com/cvb9s There is a fairly extensive CnnMoney.com article on the claimed advantages of converting to Ethanol. They talk about Brazil's success along with other factors as well.

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . GM's EV-1 electric vehicle is launched in 1997 with great fanfare from California consumers. It was the first perfect car of the modern age, requiring no gas, no oil, no mufflers, and no brake changes (a billion dollar industry unto itself.) Why would there be

Re: CNNMoney.com: Beat High Cost of Gasoline. Forever!

2006-01-30 Thread Mark Jordan
On 30 Jan 2006 at 8:52, OrionWorks wrote: FYI See: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/02/06/836795 9/index.htm?cnn=yes or http://tinyurl.com/cvb9s There is a fairly extensive CnnMoney.com article on the claimed advantages of converting to Ethanol. They talk

Re: CNNMoney.com: Beat High Cost of Gasoline. Forever!

2006-01-30 Thread OrionWorks
> From: Mark Jordan > >> FYI See: >> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/02/06/836795 >> 9/index.htm?cnn=yes >> or >> http://tinyurl.com/cvb9s >> >> There is a fairly extensive CnnMoney.com article on the claimed >> advantages of converting to Ethanol. They talk about

Re: The Horace Hiatus

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jan 21, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Taylor J. Smith wrote: Source: David de Hilster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ``Dr. Domina Eberle Spencer still has the raw data from the Hafele- Keating experiment (atomic clocks on planes in 1972) which she examined in 1996 and concluded that

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On a smaller scale than skyscrapers, where one finds both wood frame and steel frame buildings of roughly similar size and shape, in a good hot fire, and all else being equal, a wood-frame building will typically stand _longer_ than a steel-frame building before

Re: CNNMoney.com: Beat High Cost of Gasoline. Forever!

2006-01-30 Thread Mark Jordan
On 30 Jan 2006 at 9:48, OrionWorks wrote: Here in Brazil you can buy a new car equiped with a FlexPower motor that runs on gasoline AND/OR Ethanol, your choice, no switches to turn. Every major car brand make them: GM, VW, Fiat,... Mark Jordan Mark, What's your impression on

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
Your Startrek Syndrome evidence changes nothing. Electric cars suck. Allow me to explain: You have a small, vocal group of enthusiasts who protest loudly about some product they think is wonderful ( Please don't cancel Startrek/Buffy!) A large company realizes that the product is a joke that

Why Good Cars Get Crushed

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
A True story: I was visiting a local junkyard several years ago and noticed a number of late model Nissan vans in the lot. I asked how much they were and was told Not for sale. It seems that a few of this model had engine fires and Nissan couldn't find an immediate reason why, so they paid

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . GM's EV-1 electric vehicle is launched in 1997 with great fanfare from California consumers. It was the first perfect car of the modern age, requiring no gas, no oil, no mufflers, and no brake changes (a billion dollar industry unto

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful, gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, 75 mile range, recharge - over night Toys. I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to have an electric car with a 75-mile range if it

Re: The Horace Hiatus

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [ snip stuff on Sagnac effect] As I mentioned previously, this can be demonstrated without the use of any clocks, and in fact it is demonstrated all the time. Current generation inertial navigation systems use ring-laser gyroscopes which only work as a result of

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: Why would there be no brake changes? Electric and hybrid cars have regenerative braking but they also have ordinary brakes as well. Do they mean the braking system did not use friction? No, I mean they use the electric motor as a generator, and this puts a load on

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Zell, Chris wrote: Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful, gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, 75 mile range, recharge - over night Toys. I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to have an electric car with

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Do they mean the braking system did not use friction? It used both: disc in front, electric in rear. Here are the EV-1 specs: http://www.evchargernews.com/CD-A/gm_ev1_web_site/specs/specs_specs_top.h tm or http://tinyurl.com/ckaju

Re: The Horace Hiatus

2006-01-30 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence H-K flew 4 clocks around the world, but it appears that they should have used several times that number. Interesting thing is, no atomic clock will ever be perfect although the Bhor model would lead one to believe it could be. The

The Coming Rebirth of the EV

2006-01-30 Thread Mark Goldes
Progress in our labs continues and suggests that with sufficient financial support, now a high probability, we will meet the goal of a 1kW Magnetic Power Module(tm) pre-manufacturing prototype by the end of this year. The most likely unit is a transformer conversion. If this proves practical,

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV? Jed Rothwell wrote: Zell, Chris wrote: Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: If you really think that millions want one of these toys, then successful niche builders like the Japanese should be making them. Yes. I think millions want them and the Japanese should be making them. But up until this year, they did not think so! Now they are

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The only reasonable alternative to a gasoline plug-in hybrid is a diesel plug-in hybrid. Is this really true? A pure EV car would be lighter, simpler, and cheaper than a hybrid. The only place it falls down on is range. I could be wrong, but that is my gut

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
RC Macaulay wrote: Hi Jones, Interesting that we have never heard from the original team of structural engineers that designed and supervised construction of the Towers. We certainly have! The chief designer gave a presentation on it shortly after the collapse. IIRC, he explained

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread OrionWorks
From: Jed Rothwell Zell, Chris wrote: Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful, gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, 75 mile range, recharge - over night Toys. I think you are wrong about that. Millions of people would love to have an electric car

RE: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Zell, Chris
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? From: Jed Rothwell Zell, Chris wrote: Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Why would there be no brake changes? Electric and hybrid cars have regenerative braking but they also have ordinary brakes as well. Do they mean the braking system did not use friction? No, I mean they use the electric motor as a generator, and

Re: The Coming Rebirth of the EV

2006-01-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jan 30, 2006, at 9:32 AM, Mark Goldes wrote: A few sheets on our website: www.magneticpowerinc.com may prove of interest. In http://magneticpowerinc.com/update1.html you say: 2005 Over- unity is achieved in a rotary system. It opens a path to a future self-powered Demonstration

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: So the life of the break pads is greatly extended? That's my guess, as I said in the first message. Not only does it save money, it reduces pollution from dust and fragments of brake pads along highways and roads. Summarizing my feelings about a typical U.S. EV

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: I doubt the Empire State Building would have collapsed if a jet liner crashed into it. The Pentagon was built around the same time as the Empire State Building, using similar materials and techniques. It shattered when the airplane smashed into it. I believe experts

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I doubt the Empire State Building would have collapsed if a jet liner crashed into it. If the twin towers were built like clipper ships, the Empire State building was built like a battle ship. Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: We certainly have! The chief designer gave a

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
If room temperature superconductors can be made they would also boost the performance of electric vehicles. If I remember correctly, a Time magazine cover from around '86 or '87 showed an artist's rendering of a futuristic electric vehicle as one of the promises of high temperature

Re: S. Jones makes claims about 9/11 attack

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I still doubt it. ;-) Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: I doubt the Empire State Building would have collapsed if a jet liner crashed into it. The Pentagon was built around the same time as the Empire State Building, using similar materials and techniques. It shattered

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
...and here it is from May 11, 1987: http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101870511,00.html Harry Harry Veeder wrote: If I remember correctly, a Time magazine cover from around '86 or '87 showed an artist's rendering of a futuristic electric vehicle as one of the promises of high

Re: Room Temperature Superconductors and EVs

2006-01-30 Thread Mark Goldes
Harry, They can be made, but not yet in wire form. Thin films containing Ultraconductors 1 or 2 microns in diameter (1/50th the diameter of a human hair) can always carry 50 Amperes. The Ultraconductors run through the film in the thin direction, (i.e. normal to the film). Wire is 3 years

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
Original Message - From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? I don't see any need for any conspiracy to kill off electric cars at all. The range is awful, they take time to recharge, the

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? In summary, there are too many sinister explanations for things that are easily explained by pedestrian economics. Alternative

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants wasteful, gas sucking monster SUV's , not dinky, 75 mile range,

OT Fact stranger than fiction?

2006-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
Another missive from Harry, who is hiding out in some S. American country... The Lone Gunmen is/was the name of a TV pilot episode, conceived and shot in 2000 and aired six months before the tragic events of Sept. 11, 2001 which involved the hijacking of a commercial airliner with the intent

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Coviello writes: Japan probably hasn't led the way to EVs because electricity costs about 3 to 4 times as much as electricity in the U.S., around 28 cents per kWH in Japan. Yes, but gasoline costs $5 per gallon, so it works out roughly the same. Japanese companies have announced electric

Re: Ambient Gravimagnetic Field and the Earth Field

2006-01-30 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner HERE'S THE AMAZING THING: the ambient gravimagnetic flux density is about 2 orders of magnitude larger than the Earth?s gravimagnetic flux. density Dr. Ning Li said the same. However, I think it was much more than 2 orders. I'lll send

Re: Room Temperature Superconductors and EVs

2006-01-30 Thread Bob Fickle
Much as I'd like to have some ultraconductor wire to play with, I'm not convinced that Ultrqaconducting Magnetic Energy Storage will replace batteries. Magnetic fields create a pressure equal to the energy density- and therefore require a strong (read heavy and expensive) mechanical

Are Big Oil Conspiracies Really Off-Base?

2006-01-30 Thread John Coviello
ExxonMobil just reported record quarterly profits, over $10 Billion just this quarter. Has there ever been a business in the history of mankind that has even come close to the profits that the oil business has enjoyed, especially in recent years? Does anyone really need a further

Re: Lightweight Ultraconducting Energy Storage

2006-01-30 Thread Mark Goldes
Los Alamos National Laboratory patented a lightweight containment system using Kevlar. While the Patent was in force, our firm had rights for use with our polymers. Now that their Patent has expired we still expect to use that lightweight system of containment for UMES electron flywheels.

Re: Ambient Gravimagnetic Field and the Earth Field

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I wonder if there is a connection between Gravimagnetism and dowsing and ley lines... Harry Horace Heffner wrote: HERE'S THE AMAZING THING: the ambient gravimagnetic flux density is about 2 orders of magnitude larger than the Earth¹s gravimagnetic flux. density If correct, this should

Re: Who Killed the EV?

2006-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Zell, Chris wrote: -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV? From: Jed Rothwell Zell, Chris wrote: Cold weather makes electric cars

Re: Mizuno paper about explosion uploaded

2006-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
From: Horace Heffner This is an indication the door was opened by the blast prior to the glass shards hitting it. The shards came through with enough energy to cause widespread injuries. This is only consistent with the primary energy of the blast being in the 1L-6 incubator, not the