Re: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device

2014-09-20 Thread Alain Sepeda
no theory is proven, this hard to predict.

Shawyer explains that CoE is respected, as CoM.

if the thrust is used to accelerate the energy in the cavity is absorbed by
doopler effect...

I doubt on shawyer theory but this idea to conserve CoE seems a good basic,
as CoE is based on some essential symmetry of physics over time.

same for CoM

like for LENR, if confirmed, I suspect it will be over simplification of
CoM/CoE that are the error, not the symmetries.


2014-09-20 0:39 GMT+02:00 Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net:

 If this phenomenon is really true, it suggests a number of questions, e.g.
 :



 A reactionless thrust means that the power output could be very large
  since power = thrust * speed, and if the speed is high so is the power, so
 COP could be very big.

 Does the RF power needed increase as the speed increases?  Speed with
 respect to what -- the ether?



 It would be trivial to make a self sustaining energy source if one of
 these was spinning or moving very fastly driving a generator for its own RF
 source.



 Hoyt Stearns

 Scottsdale, Arizona US







 *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
 *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 8:55 AM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device



 FYI:

 I know this kind of tech has been discussed by the Collective before, but
 here’s some recent results from NASA…


 http://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AnomalousThrustProductionFromanRFTestDevice-BradyEtAl.pdf



 Excerpt from Abstract:

 “During the first (Cannae) portion of the campaign, approximately 40
 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity  test article
 excited at approximately 935 megahertz and  28  watts.  During  the
 subsequent  (tapered  cavity)  portion  of  the  campaign,  approximately
 91 micronewtons of thrust were observed in an RF resonant cavity test
 article excited  at  approximately  1933  megahertz  and  17  watts.
 Testing  was  performed  on  a  lowthrust  torsion  pendulum  that  is
 capable  of  detecting  force  at  a  single-digit  micronewton level.
 Test  campaign  results indicate that the RF resonant  cavity thruster
 design,  which is unique as an electric propulsion device, is producing a
 force that is not attributable to any classical  electromagnetic
 phenomenon  and  therefore  is  potentially  demonstrating  an interaction
 with the quantum vacuum virtual plasma.”



 -mark iverson




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[Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Jones Beene
One interesting detail, in retrospect, about Yoshino/Mizuno's MIT
presentation and the switch to nickel (from palladium) while keeping
deuterium as the active gas may have been overlooked to date. Apologies- if
this slant on the underlying reaction has appeared before.

It is the copper connection. As we know, Focardi and Rossi believed that the
E-Cat is/was transmuting nickel into copper by fusing with a proton. When
one mentions a copper connection, seldom does Mizuno's amazing new work come
to mind. However, all reactions of nickel with a proton result in a
radioactive isotope with a half-life which is long enough for it to have
been seen. This kind of hot isotope is not reported in any study of the
Rossi reactor - but his proponents are hoping that the TIP2 report will find
evidence of copper transmutation.

The same kind of signature radioactivity is not true with deuterium as the
active gas. In fact, the solution is so stunning - that we have to wonder if
Rossi may be using deuterium as his secret ingredient. Terry will remember
that in the very first image to come from Rossi, there was a color-coded
tank of deuterium in the Lab. Apparently it was not intended to be noticed.
When questioned about this later, Rossi glibly said the purpose of D was to
stop the reaction if it got out of hand ! 

With this new information... well... you can be the judge of whether Rossi's
excuse was ever true. Notably deuterium in never seen again... 

Nickel 58 is the most abundant isotope of element 28, and as recently
mentioned is out-of-place in the periodic table, being lighter than any
stable cobalt isotope, the element to the left. By itself, that factoid
would be unique in that it only happens in one other place in the entire
periodic table, where elements routinely increase in average amu, in step
with z But wait there's more than relative lightness (putative
receptivity to nucleon addition).

Look at Copper-60 , the expected product of a deuteron fusing to Ni-58. Cu60
has a short half-life and decays back to Ni60 in minutes. It could escape
detection in any reactor - so long as a reactor was not opened for a few
hours, since all one would see is a nickel isotope which is expected to be
there. The beta decay is fairly strong however.

The biggest problem with this scenario could be conservation of spin. Ni58
is 0 spin, Cu60 is +2, and D is +1. A beta decay ostensibly does not solve
that problem. But the chance of this being the gainful reaction in
conjunction with nuclear spin-coupling as a predecessor is otherwise worth
looking at ways to get around conservation of spin.

This elegant possibility of a gainful reaction in which stable nickel
converts to stable nickel, giving up energy, is why my prediction for the
Mizuno presentation in November is to suggest that they will see a relative
decrease in Ni58 and a relative increase in Ni60.

The more intriguing idea is that Rossi has been using deuterium all along in
his E-Cat, but the only time the secret almost got out was in the original
demo !

Jones




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RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Jones Beene
One more thing to add ... wrt the overdue suggestion (Doh, slaps forehead)
that Rossi's secret sauce is looking like it is deuterium. Thank you,
Clean Planet.

The reaction would probably work best if it is started with regular
hydrogen, and then deuterium is added later. This is because the exchange
reaction between hydrogen and deuterium itself is so robust. In fact, many
of the early critics of LENR thought that the entire phenomenon could be
related to deuterium exchange. It is that energetic.

As we know, Rossi has this mysterious system - which he calls cat-and-mouse.
He has been intentionally vague on how it functions. Yet in reappraisal,
this system is fully consistent with having two chambers, the main one
containing hydrogen and the nickel reactant - and the smaller one deuterium
(or a mix of H and D). The metering response can be simply by voltage to a
window, since deuterium will diffuse through many proton conductors in
direct proportion to negative charge. Positive charge stops the diffusion,
which is easily controllable by a sensor.

The purpose of the small chamber (mouse) is to meter D into the main chamber
at a controlled rate, to avoid a runaway. If Rossi can be believed, he
suffered several runaways with the HotCat which we can imagine did not have
this kind of metering device.

This seems to fit into everything we know, so long as one ignores Rossi's
own denial of using deuterium. But deuterium is the one thing which, if true
- he would never admit to. That is, if Ni-D is indeed the essence of E-Cat,
in the same way that the change from palladium to nickel could be the
essence of the Mizuno reactor.

Things just keep getting curiouser and curiouser...
_

One interesting detail, in retrospect, about
Yoshino/Mizuno's MIT presentation and the switch to nickel (from palladium)
while keeping deuterium as the active gas may have been overlooked to date.
Apologies- if this slant on the underlying reaction has appeared before.

It is the copper connection. As we know, Focardi and Rossi
believed that the E-Cat is/was transmuting nickel into copper by fusing with
a proton. When one mentions a copper connection, seldom does Mizuno's
amazing new work come to mind. However, all reactions of nickel with a
proton result in a radioactive isotope with a half-life which is long enough
for it to have been seen. This kind of hot isotope is not reported in any
study of the Rossi reactor - but his proponents are hoping that the TIP2
report will find evidence of copper transmutation.

The same kind of signature radioactivity is not true with
deuterium as the active gas. In fact, the solution is so stunning - that we
have to wonder if Rossi may be using deuterium as his secret ingredient.
Terry will remember that in the very first image to come from Rossi, there
was a color-coded tank of deuterium in the Lab. Apparently it was not
intended to be noticed. When questioned about this later, Rossi glibly said
the purpose of D was to stop the reaction if it got out of hand ! 

With this new information... well... you can be the judge of
whether Rossi's excuse was ever true. Notably deuterium in never seen
again... 

Nickel 58 is the most abundant isotope of element 28, and as
recently mentioned is out-of-place in the periodic table, being lighter
than any stable cobalt isotope, the element to the left. By itself, that
factoid would be unique in that it only happens in one other place in the
entire periodic table, where elements routinely increase in average amu, in
step with z But wait there's more than relative lightness (putative
receptivity to nucleon addition).

Look at Copper-60 , the expected product of a deuteron
fusing to Ni-58. Cu60 has a short half-life and decays back to Ni60 in
minutes. It could escape detection in any reactor - so long as a reactor was
not opened for a few hours, since all one would see is a nickel isotope
which is expected to be there. The beta decay is fairly strong however.

The biggest problem with this scenario could be conservation
of spin. Ni58 is 0 spin, Cu60 is +2, and D is +1. A beta decay ostensibly
does not solve that problem. But the chance of this being the gainful
reaction in conjunction with nuclear spin-coupling as a predecessor is
otherwise worth looking at ways to get around conservation of spin.

This elegant possibility of a gainful reaction in which
stable nickel converts to stable nickel, giving up energy, is why my
prediction for the Mizuno presentation in November is to suggest that they
will see a relative decrease in Ni58 and a relative increase in Ni60.

The more intriguing idea is that Rossi has been using
deuterium all along in his E-Cat, but the only time the secret almost got
out was in the original demo !

Jones



 

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

However, all reactions of nickel with a proton result in a
 radioactive isotope with a half-life which is long enough for it to have
 been seen. This kind of hot isotope is not reported in any study of the
 Rossi reactor - but his proponents are hoping that the TIP2 report will
 find
 evidence of copper transmutation.


I don't think anyone here has been advocating for proton capture for a
while.  Robin might still like the idea in connection with shrunken
hydrogen, for in that case the ejected electron can fill in for the gamma
and carry the momentum.  I've personally run with the idea of proton
capture in the past, but have stepped away from it.  Perhaps you're
referring to proponents in other forums?

This elegant possibility of a gainful reaction in which stable nickel
 converts to stable nickel, giving up energy, is why my prediction for the
 Mizuno presentation in November is to suggest that they will see a relative
 decrease in Ni58 and a relative increase in Ni60.


The nickel to nickel idea seems very promising.  I doubt there is deuteron
capture, because if there is deuteron capture, there is probably proton
capture as well, along with all of the nasty gammas.  This is what is
leading me to deuterium stripping -- e.g., 60Ni(d,p)61Ni.  Here the neutron
is stripped off of the deuteron and added to the nickel, and the proton
flies in the other direction, rather than there being a full capture.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

This elegant possibility of a gainful reaction in which stable nickel
 converts to stable nickel, giving up energy, is why my prediction for the
 Mizuno presentation in November is to suggest that they will see a relative
 decrease in Ni58 and a relative increase in Ni60.


As an alternative prediction, if there is deuteron stripping rather than
deuteron capture and then decay, one will see this:

58Ni + d → 59Ni + p
59Ni → 59Co + β+ ( 1 percent of the time)
β+ + β- → 2ɣ Q (511 keV each)


So there would be an excess of 59Co together with annihilation photons.
The annihilation photons would be difficult to fully shield, although their
rate is due to the half-life of the 59Ni decay and only indirectly tracks
the rate of the reaction itself.  Because the β+ decay rate is much smaller
than any inferred reaction rate, the annihilation photons will only
intermittently escape through the metal casing and make it into the
detector, which has a relatively small aperture (compared to a full solid
angle) and is less than 100 percent efficient (e.g., 26 percent
efficient).  With these things in mind, you wouldn't necessarily see
annihilation photons above background.  But the 59Co should increase
significantly above its normal amount.

The β+ decay occurs in only a very small number of cases.  Most of the time
(99 percent) the decay is via electron capture, a point I have missed up to
now.  So that will attenuate the expected number of annihilation photons in
my models by two orders of magnitude.  The decay, of course, is still to
59Co.

Eric


RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Jones Beene
 

 

From: Eric Walker 

 

*  This elegant possibility of a gainful reaction in which stable nickel
converts to stable nickel, giving up energy, is why my prediction for the
Mizuno presentation in November is to suggest that they will see a relative
decrease in Ni58 and a relative increase in Ni60.

 

*  The nickel to nickel idea seems very promising.  I doubt there is deuteron 
capture, because if there is deuteron capture, there is probably proton capture 
as well, along with all of the nasty gammas.  This is what is leading me to 
deuterium stripping -- e.g., 60Ni(d,p)61Ni.  Here the neutron is stripped off 
of the deuteron and added to the nickel, and the proton flies in the other 
direction, rather than there being a full capture.

 

Eric

 

Deuteron capture seems to be far and away the more likely scenario – at least 
more than proton capture for three reasons.

 

First the deuteron is a boson, as is the nickel nucleus. This is not invoking a 
condensate state or even a pseudo BEC, it relates to simple QM probability/ 
nuclear tunneling probability. 

 

Note that stripping is closer to brute force thermodynamics, and unlikely to 
happen in condensed matter.

 

Secondly, and most importantly - the neutron of the deuteron offers Coulomb 
shielding. 

 

This is related to isospin… I will allow Axil to elaborate on isospin since he 
first introduced it into the mix.

 

Thirdly –  the theory must reflect actual results. The main point of the 
previous post was to show that in the nuclear physics of Ni - Cu, there is 
apparently only one possibility which fits into the observation of 

1)no radioactive debris and 

2)no obvious transmutation product.

3)no gamma

 

Jones

 



Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
It would be interesting to visit Rockwell with Jones Beene. I imagine the
conversation would go something like this:

Researcher showing equipment: Here is the main unit. The resolution is 0.1
parts per billion.

Beene: You mean million.

Researcher: No, billion. Now over here we have the cryogenic . . .

Beene: That's not possible! You can't detect helium at ppb! You are
mistaken. All these years you have been thinking it is billions, but it is
actually millions . . .

From there we might visit the Boeing assembly plant.

Guide: Here is our latest airplane, the Dreamliner 787. She can carry up
to 335 passengers at 593 mph.

Beene: You mean 100 passengers at 200 mph.

Guide: No, she carries a lot more than that. The seating is 9-abreast and
. . .

Beene: Nine-abreast?! That's not possible. No airplane can carry more than
100 passengers or go faster than 200 mph. It just isn't possible! You have
been deceiving the public! . . .

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Terry Blanton
You've certainly been consistent Jones.  Quoting you from 2011:

[Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net via eskimo.com

1/19/11
to vortex-l

One detail worth exploring further was the statement from Rossi that
only hydrogen works, and that deuterium kills the reaction !

That is counter-intuitive to say the least. Everyone in hot fusion
knows for an absolute fact that deuterium is the more activenucleus,
right? And everyone in LENR knows that deuterium and palladium work,
whereas H2 is often used as the ‘control’ to show what doesn’t work.
Go figure.

Well, pondering this for a moment, the only possible property that
comes to mind to explain it was posted a few days ago –the “composite
boson” in the context of negative temperature. It is sounding better
and better as a rationale.

To rephrase, the complex argument goes like this. The heat anomaly,
whether it is fusion or not depends on “pycno” or dense hydrogen
clusters. Based on Lawandy’s paper and others, we see that spillover
catalysts operate by splitting molecular hydrogen into atomic hydrogen
without ionization. Dense hydrogen forms from atomic hydrogen if there
are adjoiningdielectric surfaces or cavities. Atomic hydrogen is a
composite boson. If there are internal defects (cavities) for atoms to
accumulate, they somehow seem to densify there without ever going
molecular.

We know that H is a composite boson which is a singularity in nature –
as it is composed of the minimum number of fermions (2) that permit
both states to oscillate back and forth… and furthermore having this
minimum number of quantum states to“align” (statistically) means that
it is exponentially easier to condense than deuterium at so-called
negative temperature (which are not “cold”) especially since spin can
be aligned magnetically...

Thanks to google books, we have access to an old issue of New
Scientist from 1981. On p. 205-6 there is clear indication that we
have known for nearly 30 years that hydrogen condensation can happen
at cryogenic temperatures – i.e. that monatomic hydrogen is a
composite boson independent of the molecular state - which has very
unusual properties as a condensate.

http://books.google.com/books?id=IbbMj56ht8sCpg=PA205lpg=PA205dq=composite-boson+monatomic-hydrogensource=blots=XlZyp6rE-9sig=AwMnZv-hCQzTfcbnkN2mQZ65VG0hl=enei=JFwaTab7Oon0tgPSpKjJCgsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1sqi=2ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepageqf=false

This paper seems to have been largely forgotten, and offers no
indication that “negative temperature” could provide an alternative to
cryogenic temperature. And certainly no indication that the Casimir
cavity can provide a locus for negative temperature.

No one should be blamed at this juncture for being completely
skeptical that negative temperature in a cavity can do this, even on a
temporary time frame; and the only evidence of it today is the
implication from half a dozen papers which indicate that so-called
pycno-hydrogen exists (under many different names, even IRH or Inverse
Rydberg Hydrogen). Rossi’s results are consistent with this modality,
and Holmlid and Miley claim to have evidence of tiny bits of hydrogen
a million times denser than liquid H2.

Are they nuts too? Or is it all fitting together like a jigsaw puzzle?



Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Terry will remember
 that in the very first image to come from Rossi, there was a color-coded
 tank of deuterium in the Lab.

It might be in this vid:

http://www.rainews.it/it/video.php?id=23074

The D2 gas might have been the one with the strips at the base of the valve.

BTW, didn't someone once claim that the Cu probably came from migration.  ;-)



Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Terry Blanton
strips = stripes

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Terry will remember
 that in the very first image to come from Rossi, there was a color-coded
 tank of deuterium in the Lab.

 It might be in this vid:

 http://www.rainews.it/it/video.php?id=23074

 The D2 gas might have been the one with the strips at the base of the valve.

 BTW, didn't someone once claim that the Cu probably came from migration.  
 ;-)



Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
Single proton capture will not work because the spin of a single proton is
non zero. Double proton capture will work because the spin of 2He is zero.

Piantelli shows a 6 MeV proton coming out of a nickel bar. This implies
that a proton pair entered the nickel nucleus: one to produce the 6 MeV via
fusion of nickel into copper and one proton to exit the nucleus to remove
that energy from the nucleus.

Also, the large amount of iron reported in Rossi’s ash assay, requires a
reaction involving two protons. The abundance of light elements in the DGT
ash assay requires fusion of multiple proton pairs with nickel.

It is a safe assumption that pairing of protons is occurring.


I

1H+1H+62Ni = 63Zn + n + 1.974 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni = 64Zn + 13.835 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni = 63Cu + 1H + 6.122 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni = 60Ni + 4He + 9.879 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni = 4He + 4He + 56Fe + 3.495 MeV   this one produces iron.
1H+1H+62Ni = 52Cr + 12C + 3.249 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni = 48Ti + 16O + 1.057 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni = 34S + 30Si + 2.197 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 65Ge + n + 10.750 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 66Ge + 24.037 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 63Ga + 3H + 4.007 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 64Ga + 2H + 8.108 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 65Ga + 1H + 17.778 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 61Zn + 5He + 7.372 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 62Zn + 4He + 21.156 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 63Zn + 3He + 9.692 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 59Cu + 7Li + 3.859 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 60Cu + 6Li + 6.667 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 61Cu + 5Li + 12.713 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 56Ni + 10Be + 3.707 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 57Ni + 9Be + 7.144 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 4He + 4He + 58Ni + 17.696 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 59Ni + 7Be + 7.795 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 60Ni + 6Be + 8.507 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 55Co + 11B + 7.769 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 56Co + 10B + 6.398 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 57Co + 9B + 9.338 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 52Fe + 14C + 7.721 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 53Fe + 13C + 10.230 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 54Fe + 12C + 18.662 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 55Fe + 11C + 9.239 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 56Fe + 10C + 7.316 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 51Mn + 15N + 10.550 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 52Mn + 14N + 10.252 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 53Mn + 13N + 11.752 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 54Mn + 12N + 0.627 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 48Cr + 18O + 6.010 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 49Cr + 17O + 8.549 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 50Cr + 16O + 17.406 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 51Cr + 15O + 11.003 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 52Cr + 14O + 9.819 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 47V + 19F + 5.899 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 48V + 18F + 6.011 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 49V + 17F + 8.415 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 50V + 16F + 0.951 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 44Ti + 22Ne + 7.983 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 45Ti + 21Ne + 7.147 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 46Ti + 20Ne + 13.575 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 47Ti + 19Ne + 5.591 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 48Ti + 18Ne + 5.580 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 41Sc + 25Na + 0.410 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 42Sc + 24Na + 2.949 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 43Sc + 23Na + 8.128 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 44Sc + 22Na + 5.408 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 45Sc + 21Na + 5.662 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 39Ca + 27Mg + 4.271 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 40Ca + 26Mg + 13.471 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 41Ca + 25Mg + 10.740 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 42Ca + 24Mg + 14.890 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 43Ca + 23Mg + 6.292 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 44Ca + 22Mg + 4.275 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 37K + 29Al + 5.425 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 38K + 28Al + 8.061 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 39K + 27Al + 13.413 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 40K + 26Al + 8.155 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 41K + 25Al + 6.885 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 34Ar + 32Si + 4.868 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 35Ar + 31Si + 8.406 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 36Ar + 30Si + 17.074 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 37Ar + 29Si + 15.252 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 38Ar + 28Si + 18.617 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 39Ar + 27Si + 8.036 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 40Ar + 26Si + 4.594 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 32Cl + 34P + 0.297 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 33Cl + 33P + 9.751 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 34Cl + 32P + 11.155 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 35Cl + 31P + 15.864 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 36Cl + 30P + 12.132 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 37Cl + 29P + 11.124 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 33S + 33S + 15.582 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 34S + 32S + 18.357 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 35S + 31S + 10.301 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni = 36S + 30S + 7.137 MeV

The last 4 produce lighter elements.

There are also similar reactions for the other Ni isotopes, and also for the
daughter products of the initial reactions, e.g. :-

1H+1H+64Zn = 66Ge + 10.202 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 65Ga + 1H + 3.942 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 62Zn + 4He + 7.321 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 4He + 4He + 58Ni + 3.860 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 54Fe + 12C + 4.827 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 50Cr + 16O + 3.571 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 42Ca + 24Mg + 1.055 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 36Ar + 30Si + 3.239 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 37Ar + 29Si + 1.417 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 38Ar + 28Si + 4.782 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 35Cl + 31P + 2.029 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 33S + 33S + 1.746 MeV
1H+1H+64Zn = 34S + 32S + 4.522 MeV



A polariton is a photon and an electron locked together in a pair. This
pair orbits around a cavity on its edge. The spin of all polaritons are
pointed such that the 

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
Deuterium kills the reaction because its spin is non zero.

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 You've certainly been consistent Jones.  Quoting you from 2011:

 [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net via eskimo.com

 1/19/11
 to vortex-l

 One detail worth exploring further was the statement from Rossi that
 only hydrogen works, and that deuterium kills the reaction !

 That is counter-intuitive to say the least. Everyone in hot fusion
 knows for an absolute fact that deuterium is the more activenucleus,
 right? And everyone in LENR knows that deuterium and palladium work,
 whereas H2 is often used as the ‘control’ to show what doesn’t work.
 Go figure.

 Well, pondering this for a moment, the only possible property that
 comes to mind to explain it was posted a few days ago –the “composite
 boson” in the context of negative temperature. It is sounding better
 and better as a rationale.

 To rephrase, the complex argument goes like this. The heat anomaly,
 whether it is fusion or not depends on “pycno” or dense hydrogen
 clusters. Based on Lawandy’s paper and others, we see that spillover
 catalysts operate by splitting molecular hydrogen into atomic hydrogen
 without ionization. Dense hydrogen forms from atomic hydrogen if there
 are adjoiningdielectric surfaces or cavities. Atomic hydrogen is a
 composite boson. If there are internal defects (cavities) for atoms to
 accumulate, they somehow seem to densify there without ever going
 molecular.

 We know that H is a composite boson which is a singularity in nature –
 as it is composed of the minimum number of fermions (2) that permit
 both states to oscillate back and forth… and furthermore having this
 minimum number of quantum states to“align” (statistically) means that
 it is exponentially easier to condense than deuterium at so-called
 negative temperature (which are not “cold”) especially since spin can
 be aligned magnetically...

 Thanks to google books, we have access to an old issue of New
 Scientist from 1981. On p. 205-6 there is clear indication that we
 have known for nearly 30 years that hydrogen condensation can happen
 at cryogenic temperatures – i.e. that monatomic hydrogen is a
 composite boson independent of the molecular state - which has very
 unusual properties as a condensate.


 http://books.google.com/books?id=IbbMj56ht8sCpg=PA205lpg=PA205dq=composite-boson+monatomic-hydrogensource=blots=XlZyp6rE-9sig=AwMnZv-hCQzTfcbnkN2mQZ65VG0hl=enei=JFwaTab7Oon0tgPSpKjJCgsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1sqi=2ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepageqf=false

 This paper seems to have been largely forgotten, and offers no
 indication that “negative temperature” could provide an alternative to
 cryogenic temperature. And certainly no indication that the Casimir
 cavity can provide a locus for negative temperature.

 No one should be blamed at this juncture for being completely
 skeptical that negative temperature in a cavity can do this, even on a
 temporary time frame; and the only evidence of it today is the
 implication from half a dozen papers which indicate that so-called
 pycno-hydrogen exists (under many different names, even IRH or Inverse
 Rydberg Hydrogen). Rossi’s results are consistent with this modality,
 and Holmlid and Miley claim to have evidence of tiny bits of hydrogen
 a million times denser than liquid H2.

 Are they nuts too? Or is it all fitting together like a jigsaw puzzle?




Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
This spin alignment of deuterium is why a plasma of hydrogen must be formed
to produce hydrogen crystals where deuterium must be reconfigured to a zero
spin alignment as the plasma cools.

Adding deuterium gas from a tank as Rossi has done will provide non zero
spin deuterium. It order for the deuterium to stay non zero spin, Rossi
must disable the plasma forming electrical circuit before the Deuterium gas
from the tank is added.

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 You've certainly been consistent Jones.  Quoting you from 2011:

 [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net via eskimo.com

 1/19/11
 to vortex-l

 One detail worth exploring further was the statement from Rossi that
 only hydrogen works, and that deuterium kills the reaction !

 That is counter-intuitive to say the least. Everyone in hot fusion
 knows for an absolute fact that deuterium is the more activenucleus,
 right? And everyone in LENR knows that deuterium and palladium work,
 whereas H2 is often used as the ‘control’ to show what doesn’t work.
 Go figure.

 Well, pondering this for a moment, the only possible property that
 comes to mind to explain it was posted a few days ago –the “composite
 boson” in the context of negative temperature. It is sounding better
 and better as a rationale.

 To rephrase, the complex argument goes like this. The heat anomaly,
 whether it is fusion or not depends on “pycno” or dense hydrogen
 clusters. Based on Lawandy’s paper and others, we see that spillover
 catalysts operate by splitting molecular hydrogen into atomic hydrogen
 without ionization. Dense hydrogen forms from atomic hydrogen if there
 are adjoiningdielectric surfaces or cavities. Atomic hydrogen is a
 composite boson. If there are internal defects (cavities) for atoms to
 accumulate, they somehow seem to densify there without ever going
 molecular.

 We know that H is a composite boson which is a singularity in nature –
 as it is composed of the minimum number of fermions (2) that permit
 both states to oscillate back and forth… and furthermore having this
 minimum number of quantum states to“align” (statistically) means that
 it is exponentially easier to condense than deuterium at so-called
 negative temperature (which are not “cold”) especially since spin can
 be aligned magnetically...

 Thanks to google books, we have access to an old issue of New
 Scientist from 1981. On p. 205-6 there is clear indication that we
 have known for nearly 30 years that hydrogen condensation can happen
 at cryogenic temperatures – i.e. that monatomic hydrogen is a
 composite boson independent of the molecular state - which has very
 unusual properties as a condensate.


 http://books.google.com/books?id=IbbMj56ht8sCpg=PA205lpg=PA205dq=composite-boson+monatomic-hydrogensource=blots=XlZyp6rE-9sig=AwMnZv-hCQzTfcbnkN2mQZ65VG0hl=enei=JFwaTab7Oon0tgPSpKjJCgsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1sqi=2ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepageqf=false

 This paper seems to have been largely forgotten, and offers no
 indication that “negative temperature” could provide an alternative to
 cryogenic temperature. And certainly no indication that the Casimir
 cavity can provide a locus for negative temperature.

 No one should be blamed at this juncture for being completely
 skeptical that negative temperature in a cavity can do this, even on a
 temporary time frame; and the only evidence of it today is the
 implication from half a dozen papers which indicate that so-called
 pycno-hydrogen exists (under many different names, even IRH or Inverse
 Rydberg Hydrogen). Rossi’s results are consistent with this modality,
 and Holmlid and Miley claim to have evidence of tiny bits of hydrogen
 a million times denser than liquid H2.

 Are they nuts too? Or is it all fitting together like a jigsaw puzzle?




RE: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-20 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell 

 

It would be interesting to visit Rockwell with Jones Beene. I imagine the 
conversation would go something like this:

 

Researcher showing equipment: Here is the main unit. The resolution is 0.1 
parts per billion.

 

Beene: You mean million.

 

Researcher: No, billion. Now over here we have the cryogenic . . .

 

Beene: That's not possible! You can't detect mass at ppb with precision! If 
you could, you would know the mass of the proton to nine significant digits, 
correct?

 

Researcher: uh… uh… well maybe we can some days, and maybe we can’t on others 
but we always get some helium. 

 

Beene: If you really believed your results indicated cold fusion, then you 
would be trying to put this technology into the B1 bomber, correct?

 

Researcher: uh… uh… well no… that cold fusion is voodoo science, you know.

 

Beene: Then where is the helium coming from?

 

Researcher: Who knows. We always see a few ppb of it. That’s how we know we can 
detect a few ppb.

 

Beene: Yes, I see. Then in your opinion the helium does not come from the 
fusion of deuterons?

 

Researcher: Hell no! That’s voodoo science isn’t it?

 

QED

 

 

 

 

 



Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
One reason the Rossi requires high heat from external electric power input
is to produce molecules with zero spin. He now uses the Mouse to make
these special molecules.

The down side of high heat that can form a plasma is that such application
of heat can cause reactor-away. The Mouse was configured to produce zero
spin hydrogen but because it has a pronounced  sub-critical nature, it will
not melt down no matter how much external heat is applied. The purpose of
the Mouse is to produce Rydberg hydrogen matter with zero spin through a
cooling plasma process. These solid crystals of hydrogen will then be feed
from the Mouse to the Cat where the main near critical high COP reaction
takes place using zero spin hydrogen.

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 This spin alignment of deuterium is why a plasma of hydrogen must be
 formed to produce hydrogen crystals where deuterium must be reconfigured to
 a zero spin alignment as the plasma cools.

 Adding deuterium gas from a tank as Rossi has done will provide non zero
 spin deuterium. It order for the deuterium to stay non zero spin, Rossi
 must disable the plasma forming electrical circuit before the Deuterium gas
 from the tank is added.

 On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 You've certainly been consistent Jones.  Quoting you from 2011:

 [Vo]:Deuterium kills the reaction?

 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net via eskimo.com

 1/19/11
 to vortex-l

 One detail worth exploring further was the statement from Rossi that
 only hydrogen works, and that deuterium kills the reaction !

 That is counter-intuitive to say the least. Everyone in hot fusion
 knows for an absolute fact that deuterium is the more activenucleus,
 right? And everyone in LENR knows that deuterium and palladium work,
 whereas H2 is often used as the ‘control’ to show what doesn’t work.
 Go figure.

 Well, pondering this for a moment, the only possible property that
 comes to mind to explain it was posted a few days ago –the “composite
 boson” in the context of negative temperature. It is sounding better
 and better as a rationale.

 To rephrase, the complex argument goes like this. The heat anomaly,
 whether it is fusion or not depends on “pycno” or dense hydrogen
 clusters. Based on Lawandy’s paper and others, we see that spillover
 catalysts operate by splitting molecular hydrogen into atomic hydrogen
 without ionization. Dense hydrogen forms from atomic hydrogen if there
 are adjoiningdielectric surfaces or cavities. Atomic hydrogen is a
 composite boson. If there are internal defects (cavities) for atoms to
 accumulate, they somehow seem to densify there without ever going
 molecular.

 We know that H is a composite boson which is a singularity in nature –
 as it is composed of the minimum number of fermions (2) that permit
 both states to oscillate back and forth… and furthermore having this
 minimum number of quantum states to“align” (statistically) means that
 it is exponentially easier to condense than deuterium at so-called
 negative temperature (which are not “cold”) especially since spin can
 be aligned magnetically...

 Thanks to google books, we have access to an old issue of New
 Scientist from 1981. On p. 205-6 there is clear indication that we
 have known for nearly 30 years that hydrogen condensation can happen
 at cryogenic temperatures – i.e. that monatomic hydrogen is a
 composite boson independent of the molecular state - which has very
 unusual properties as a condensate.


 http://books.google.com/books?id=IbbMj56ht8sCpg=PA205lpg=PA205dq=composite-boson+monatomic-hydrogensource=blots=XlZyp6rE-9sig=AwMnZv-hCQzTfcbnkN2mQZ65VG0hl=enei=JFwaTab7Oon0tgPSpKjJCgsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=1sqi=2ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepageqf=false

 This paper seems to have been largely forgotten, and offers no
 indication that “negative temperature” could provide an alternative to
 cryogenic temperature. And certainly no indication that the Casimir
 cavity can provide a locus for negative temperature.

 No one should be blamed at this juncture for being completely
 skeptical that negative temperature in a cavity can do this, even on a
 temporary time frame; and the only evidence of it today is the
 implication from half a dozen papers which indicate that so-called
 pycno-hydrogen exists (under many different names, even IRH or Inverse
 Rydberg Hydrogen). Rossi’s results are consistent with this modality,
 and Holmlid and Miley claim to have evidence of tiny bits of hydrogen
 a million times denser than liquid H2.

 Are they nuts too? Or is it all fitting together like a jigsaw puzzle?





[Vo]:3D printed car

2014-09-20 Thread H Veeder
World's first printed car from carbon fiber plastic pellets.
It weighs 1500 lbs and contains fifty parts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV5FvZZiBf0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alj_36qFe5g

Harry


RE: [Vo]:3D printed car

2014-09-20 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Harry

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV5FvZZiBf0

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alj_36qFe5g

 

Cool! We did predict this would happen. Printed housing is just around the 
corner too.

 

Starting prices $18k to $30k - A tad steep, prototype prices. Too pricy for me, 
particularly for a two-seater with visually obvious stratification layers. On 
the plus side, the housing is made out of plastic. We mid-westerner 
Wisconsinites appreciate cars that don't rust due to all the salt they spread 
on the roads in the middle of winter. Hopefully economies of scale will 
eventually lower the entry level price to around $10k. That would give the 
Smart Car a run for its money.

 

http://www.smartusa.com/

entry level: $12,490.

or lease for $99/month

 

Now, if The Doctor can corral his elusive little hydrinos within a year... 
that's likely to be another marriage made in heaven.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread mixent
In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:18:40 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
The nickel to nickel idea seems very promising.  I doubt there is deuteron
capture, because if there is deuteron capture, there is probably proton
capture as well, along with all of the nasty gammas.  This is what is
leading me to deuterium stripping -- e.g., 60Ni(d,p)61Ni.  Here the neutron
is stripped off of the deuteron and added to the nickel, and the proton
flies in the other direction, rather than there being a full capture.

Actually, I rather like this idea. It's much easier for a neutron to tunnel than
for a proton, because the neutron has no Coulomb barrier opposing it. (Both the
neutron and the proton however need to find 2.2 MeV to escape the deuterium
nucleus, so parting is equally difficult for each.)

Note also that a severely shrunken Deuterino will have a much higher chance of
participating in such a reaction because it can get close to a target nucleus.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:3D printed car

2014-09-20 Thread James Bowery
They mentioned something about the printing of the printable portion of the
car taking about a day.  They said the printer cost $1M.  The capital
expense cost of the printable portion of the car is therefore about:

1e6usd*.12/year?usd/day http://www.testardi.com/rich/calchemy2/
([1E6 * usd] * 0.12) / year ? usd / day
= 328.76712 usd/day


On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

  From Harry



  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV5FvZZiBf0

 

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alj_36qFe5g



 Cool! We did predict this would happen. Printed housing is just around the
 corner too.



 Starting prices $18k to $30k - A tad steep, prototype prices. Too pricy
 for me, particularly for a two-seater with visually obvious stratification
 layers. On the plus side, the housing is made out of plastic. We
 mid-westerner Wisconsinites appreciate cars that don't rust due to all the
 salt they spread on the roads in the middle of winter. Hopefully economies
 of scale will eventually lower the entry level price to around $10k. That
 would give the Smart Car a run for its money.



 http://www.smartusa.com/

 entry level: $12,490.

 or lease for $99/month



 Now, if The Doctor can corral his elusive little hydrinos within a
 year... that's likely to be another marriage made in heaven.



 Regards,

 Steven Vincent Johnson

 svjart.orionworks.com

 zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:3D printed car

2014-09-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

  Hopefully economies of scale will eventually lower the entry level price
 to around $10k. That would give the Smart Car a run for its money.

Even 10k dollars feels steep for a car that was manufactured out of plastic
with a 1 million dollar printer and assembled with minimal labor.  Once
this technology is more widespread, a company like Google will get
irritated at the steep markup and begin to look into what it would take to
offer them at 2-4k.

Note that cheaper cars means more drivers and more fuel consumption.
Perhaps there are not enough people in absolute terms that fit that
demographic in North America and Europe to matter.  But there could be
plenty in China, India and Africa in the medium term.

European cities were largely in place before cars came along, and they have
pleasant, dense city centers and viable mass transportation.  North
American cities came along just as cars were being widely adopted, and they
are spread out and unattractive for that reason.  In many European cities
you can get along just fine without a car for much of the time.  In many
North American cities you pretty much need a car, and viable mass transit
is hard to put in place because the population density is fairly low.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:He4 Energy Totals Damning of Mills?

2014-09-20 Thread James Bowery
Gordon Docherty has posted a theory reconciling hydrinos with cold fusion:

A Refinement of Ideas: Hydrinos and LENR existing in Perfect Harmony
http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/09/02/hydrinos-and-lenr-existing-in-perfect-harmony-guest-post/


How does his compare to yours, Robin?

Also Ed Storms had a theory in his penultimate book:

Storms, Edmund (2007). Science of low energy nuclear reaction: a
comprehensive compilation of evidence and explanations. Singapore: World
Scientific. p. 184. ISBN 981-270-620-8.

I don't have his book nor do I have a link to an online version of the
cited theory from page 184.

Are you familiar with Ed Storms's theory reconciling hydrinos with cold
fusion?


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  James Bowery's message of Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:27:17 -0500:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 Since hydrino.org is dead as a discussion group (it just redirects to
 BLP's
 site) is there a forum where people are still talking about GUToCP etc.?

 societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com

 This is a moderated group, Mills himself follows it and responds to
 questions.
 I would characterize it more as a fan club.
 I get the impression that if the question is too critical, Mills will just
 refer
 to a section of his book.

 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html




Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
This hang-up on neutrons and 4He is due to this irresistible indoctrination
from old time nuclear physics. Rossi states that he has never seen a
neutron. 4He is just as likely to transmute as any other element. 4He has
no special status in LENR, IMHO.

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 6:47 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:18:40 -0700:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 The nickel to nickel idea seems very promising.  I doubt there is deuteron
 capture, because if there is deuteron capture, there is probably proton
 capture as well, along with all of the nasty gammas.  This is what is
 leading me to deuterium stripping -- e.g., 60Ni(d,p)61Ni.  Here the
 neutron
 is stripped off of the deuteron and added to the nickel, and the proton
 flies in the other direction, rather than there being a full capture.
 
 Actually, I rather like this idea. It's much easier for a neutron to
 tunnel than
 for a proton, because the neutron has no Coulomb barrier opposing it.
 (Both the
 neutron and the proton however need to find 2.2 MeV to escape the deuterium
 nucleus, so parting is equally difficult for each.)

 Note also that a severely shrunken Deuterino will have a much higher
 chance of
 participating in such a reaction because it can get close to a target
 nucleus.
 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html




Re: [Vo]:He4 Energy Totals Damning of Mills?

2014-09-20 Thread James Bowery
The best I've found online of Storms's, apparently now abandoned, view of
cold fusion as hydrino-based:

An Interview with Dr. Edmund Storms Author of The Science of Low Energy
Nuclear Reaction http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RudesillJanintervie.pdf

Its basically just hydrinos form, look like slow neutrons and make it past
the coulombic barrier -- not specifying the Rydberg state required to look
like a neutron nor how it is catalyzed in a solid -- merely that it _is_ in
a solid that it is catalyzed, hence explains Mills's missing the
explanation as Mills has been working primarily with non-condensed matter.

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 6:12 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gordon Docherty has posted a theory reconciling hydrinos with cold fusion:

 A Refinement of Ideas: Hydrinos and LENR existing in Perfect Harmony
 http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/09/02/hydrinos-and-lenr-existing-in-perfect-harmony-guest-post/
 

 How does his compare to yours, Robin?

 Also Ed Storms had a theory in his penultimate book:

 Storms, Edmund (2007). Science of low energy nuclear reaction: a
 comprehensive compilation of evidence and explanations. Singapore: World
 Scientific. p. 184. ISBN 981-270-620-8.

 I don't have his book nor do I have a link to an online version of the
 cited theory from page 184.

 Are you familiar with Ed Storms's theory reconciling hydrinos with cold
 fusion?


 On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  James Bowery's message of Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:27:17 -0500:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 Since hydrino.org is dead as a discussion group (it just redirects to
 BLP's
 site) is there a forum where people are still talking about GUToCP etc.?

 societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com

 This is a moderated group, Mills himself follows it and responds to
 questions.
 I would characterize it more as a fan club.
 I get the impression that if the question is too critical, Mills will
 just refer
 to a section of his book.

 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html





Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

This hang-up on neutrons and 4He is due to this irresistible indoctrination
 from old time nuclear physics. Rossi states that he has never seen a
 neutron. 4He is just as likely to transmute as any other element. 4He has
 no special status in LENR, IMHO.


I think you've missed some context.  There's no reference to 4He in the
thread at this point.  We're talking about NiH/D.  The reference to
neutrons does not relate to free neutrons flying around and activating
things.  It has to do with bound neutrons being stripped off of deuterons.

Rossi says what he says.  And he places a boron shield around the E-Cat,
apparently.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:He4 Energy Totals Damning of Mills?

2014-09-20 Thread mixent
In reply to  James Bowery's message of Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:12:38 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Gordon Docherty has posted a theory reconciling hydrinos with cold fusion:

A Refinement of Ideas: Hydrinos and LENR existing in Perfect Harmony
http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/09/02/hydrinos-and-lenr-existing-in-perfect-harmony-guest-post/


How does his compare to yours, Robin?

The author appears to have been reading Fran's posts to this forum. I suggest
that you put your question to Fran.
As I have said in the past, I don't put much faith in the Casimir cavity
hypothesis for a very simple reason. The amount of change in the density of
space-time in a nm cavity is trivial percentage wise, because it's the long
waves being excluded, not the short ones. The Casimir force doesn't become
really significant until you reach nuclear dimensions, by which time it
approximates the nuclear force (IIRC). In fact I have often wondered if it might
actually be the force that binds nuclei together.


Also Ed Storms had a theory in his penultimate book:

Storms, Edmund (2007). Science of low energy nuclear reaction: a
comprehensive compilation of evidence and explanations. Singapore: World
Scientific. p. 184. ISBN 981-270-620-8.

I don't have his book nor do I have a link to an online version of the
cited theory from page 184.

Are you familiar with Ed Storms's theory reconciling hydrinos with cold
fusion?

I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that my contributions to this forum
were largely responsible for it. Ed can contradict me if he wishes.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:3D printed car

2014-09-20 Thread H Veeder
With self driving smart cars, I can see people subscribing to taxi service
instead of a owning a car.

harry

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

  Hopefully economies of scale will eventually lower the entry level
 price to around $10k. That would give the Smart Car a run for its money.

 Even 10k dollars feels steep for a car that was manufactured out of
 plastic with a 1 million dollar printer and assembled with minimal labor.
 Once this technology is more widespread, a company like Google will get
 irritated at the steep markup and begin to look into what it would take to
 offer them at 2-4k.

 Note that cheaper cars means more drivers and more fuel consumption.
 Perhaps there are not enough people in absolute terms that fit that
 demographic in North America and Europe to matter.  But there could be
 plenty in China, India and Africa in the medium term.

 European cities were largely in place before cars came along, and they
 have pleasant, dense city centers and viable mass transportation.  North
 American cities came along just as cars were being widely adopted, and they
 are spread out and unattractive for that reason.  In many European cities
 you can get along just fine without a car for much of the time.  In many
 North American cities you pretty much need a car, and viable mass transit
 is hard to put in place because the population density is fairly low.

 Eric




Re: [Vo]:He4 Energy Totals Damning of Mills?

2014-09-20 Thread Axil Axil
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1303.1027v1.pdf

Dymamical Casimir emission from polariton condensates


The nature of the vacuum is drastically changed in the presence of a
polariton condensate leading to increased dynamical Casimir emission

One of the tenets of my theory that produces accelerated nuclear decay
rates postulates that the rate of virtual particle production is greatly
enhanced in the polariton excited vacuum



*We study theoretically the dynamical Casimir effect in an
exciton-polariton condensate that is suddenly created by an ultrashort
laser pulse at normal incidence. As a consequence of the abrupt change of
the quantum vacuum, Bogoliubov excitations are generated. The subsequent
evolution, governed by polariton interactions and losses, is studied within
a linearized truncated Wigner approximation. We focus in particular on the
momentum distribution and spatial coherence.*

*The limiting behavior at large and small momenta is determined
analytically. *

*A simple scaling relation for the final condensate depletion as a function
of the system parameters is found and the correlation length is shown to
depend linearly on the condensate depletion.  *


 Bogoliubov excitations are broken positron/electron virtual pairs that are
the basis of Hawking radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation and many other topics

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 7:38 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  James Bowery's message of Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:12:38 -0500:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 Gordon Docherty has posted a theory reconciling hydrinos with cold fusion:
 
 A Refinement of Ideas: Hydrinos and LENR existing in Perfect Harmony
 
 http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/09/02/hydrinos-and-lenr-existing-in-perfect-harmony-guest-post/
 
 
 
 How does his compare to yours, Robin?

 The author appears to have been reading Fran's posts to this forum. I
 suggest
 that you put your question to Fran.
 As I have said in the past, I don't put much faith in the Casimir cavity
 hypothesis for a very simple reason. The amount of change in the density of
 space-time in a nm cavity is trivial percentage wise, because it's the long
 waves being excluded, not the short ones. The Casimir force doesn't become
 really significant until you reach nuclear dimensions, by which time it
 approximates the nuclear force (IIRC). In fact I have often wondered if it
 might
 actually be the force that binds nuclei together.

 
 Also Ed Storms had a theory in his penultimate book:
 
 Storms, Edmund (2007). Science of low energy nuclear reaction: a
 comprehensive compilation of evidence and explanations. Singapore: World
 Scientific. p. 184. ISBN 981-270-620-8.
 
 I don't have his book nor do I have a link to an online version of the
 cited theory from page 184.
 
 Are you familiar with Ed Storms's theory reconciling hydrinos with cold
 fusion?

 I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that my contributions to this
 forum
 were largely responsible for it. Ed can contradict me if he wishes.
 [snip]
 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html




Re: [Vo]:Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device

2014-09-20 Thread mixent
In reply to  Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.'s message of Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:39:56 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
If this phenomenon is really true, it suggests a number of questions, e.g. :

 

A reactionless thrust means that the power output could be very large  since
power = thrust * speed, and if the speed is high so is the power, so COP
could be very big.

I think you have this backwards. What it means is that in order to attain high
speed, you need to *supply* high power.
...however as LENR/Blacklight come online, that may not be a problem.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:He4 Energy Totals Damning of Mills?

2014-09-20 Thread James Bowery
Russ George of Planktos fame has blogged his ideas about hydrino-based cold
fusion in an entry titled HYDRINO DARK FUSION ?
http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2014/07/14/hydrino-fusion/

An excerpt:

I chatted with Randy years ago at a physics conference and we exchanged
some ideas on how the hydrino state of deuterium might facilitate a sort of
hydrino moderated dark fusion of two deuteriums, perhaps via something akin
to a screening mechanism and just maybe there-in is a connecting thread
between our work. But how one gets two protons to fuse even in the strange
states characteristic of cold fusion is a stretch for me, that qualify as
dark fusion for sure.

The central question between cold fusion and hydrinos becoming dark matter
is the resulting energy. Hydrino production is an order of magnitude or
more energetic than burning hydrogen while DD fusion yielding 4He, hot or
cold, is about ten million times more energetic that burning hydrogen (or
deuterium). So if one needs a source of energy sufficient to produce a bit
of star-like plasma you need around a million times the number of hydrino
events as DD cold fusion events to do so. At least we are not
astronomically far apart.

I tend to think that the 1 atom of D for every 5000+ atoms of H that are
found in common hydrogen is the real active constituent of “light” hydrogen
NiH fusion or LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) for those who are afraid
of the ghost of Martin Fleischman or are merely his ‘cold fusion’ usurpers.
It’s easier to imagine hydrinos than proton proton fusion.


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  James Bowery's message of Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:27:17 -0500:
 Hi,
 [snip]
 Since hydrino.org is dead as a discussion group (it just redirects to
 BLP's
 site) is there a forum where people are still talking about GUToCP etc.?

 societyforclassicalphys...@yahoogroups.com

 This is a moderated group, Mills himself follows it and responds to
 questions.
 I would characterize it more as a fan club.
 I get the impression that if the question is too critical, Mills will just
 refer
 to a section of his book.

 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html




Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread H Veeder
If hydrinos and deuterinos are both present, perhaps it is possible for the
neutron stripping to work in two directions such that a deuterino can give
up a neutron to a heavy nucleus and a heavy nucleus can give up a neutron
to hydrino. ( I am thinking of a nuclear version of epicatalysis.)

Harry

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 This hang-up on neutrons and 4He is due to this irresistible
 indoctrination from old time nuclear physics. Rossi states that he has
 never seen a neutron. 4He is just as likely to transmute as any other
 element. 4He has no special status in LENR, IMHO.


 I think you've missed some context.  There's no reference to 4He in the
 thread at this point.  We're talking about NiH/D.  The reference to
 neutrons does not relate to free neutrons flying around and activating
 things.  It has to do with bound neutrons being stripped off of deuterons.

 Rossi says what he says.  And he places a boron shield around the E-Cat,
 apparently.

 Eric




RE: [Vo]:3D printed car

2014-09-20 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Who knows what will happen. $2K cars? Tiny small single-seater vehicles for 
commuters to drive to work or to the grocery store. Self driving cars? Yea, 
very likely too. Transportation will evolve. Collectively, we will determine 
the best course of action. Very few individuals on their own have the capacity 
to predict what will eventually happen. The unpredictable collective principals 
of emergence will drive this one, not any single individual. 

 

Perhaps a little bit of synchronicity will play mysteriously into the mixture 
as well. For example...

 

Years ago I was visiting Portland. While there I went into Powells Bookstore. I 
was wandering aimlessly down a dark isle my hand reached out for a book. I'm 
not sure what it was about this book that initially caught my eye. However, 
when I picked it out I noticed the author had spent some time studying the 
social behavior of ants. He spent some time studying these creature because he 
was researching the rules of emergence and how those rules play out within 
complex societies. The mysterious rules of emergence work with all kinds of 
living creature from all scales, from brain cells, insects, all the way up to 
humans crammed within a city environment. The subject of ants combined with the 
concept of emergence piqued my interest. I recalled as a young teenager I had 
studied the hive minded behavior of social insects - like ants. I managed 
several ant farms which included the queen. Sometimes I spent hours watching 
the collective behavior of these creatures with a powerful magnifying glass. 

 

Returning back to the present I was curious as to who the author was. Was it 
anyone I knew?

 

Here is the author talking about his book on emergence at a TED talk:

 

https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_on_the_web_as_a_city?language=en

 

Other than the fact that I could not rid myself of a feeling that the equally 
mysterious rules of synchronicity had perhaps played an amusing game with my 
psyche, the author bares no relation with me whatsoever. Granted, I realize I'm 
anthropomorphizing the behavior of the Universe. But what the hell. The 
universe plays tricks with me all the time.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-09-20 Thread mixent
In reply to  H Veeder's message of Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:53:37 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
If hydrinos and deuterinos are both present, perhaps it is possible for the
neutron stripping to work in two directions such that a deuterino can give
up a neutron to a heavy nucleus and a heavy nucleus can give up a neutron
to hydrino. ( I am thinking of a nuclear version of epicatalysis.)

Harry
A heavy nucleus won't give up a neutron to a Hydrino, because in doing so it
would lose about 5-10 MeV, but only gain 2.2 MeV from the formation of the
deuteron.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html