On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
It is nice to see our views so closely aligned.
They are indeed.
I think running the steam and water through a condensing heat
exchanger works very well, provided *all* the flow and temperature
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some big hose, and a lake or river.
I don't now recall where I posted the calculation for that.
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the primary and
secondary circuits. Ideally, precision digital flow meters should be
used for both the primary and secondary circuit input flows.
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for this power range. I can readily
afford the barrel, blue board insulation, copper pipe and hose,
fittings etc.
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this kind
of enthalpy sensors.
–Jouni
You have again not specified the precise method you would use.
It would appear you have a case of missing variables. The principle
missing variable is mass flow, m dot, which is best to isolate and
measure directly.
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or expensive than
thermal energy
That is not a formula for efficiency but relative value.
Peter
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Horace Heffner
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On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/27 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com:
The simplest
steam mixture.
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On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
First I would add to my previous message, that I think that Peter's
method is more accurate than measuring pressure. That is because in
order to find out
explosion. The
individual probabilities of failure can be made larger in a combined
configuration due to additional shared parts.
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On Sep 29, 2011, at 4:02 AM, Man on Bridges wrote:
Hi,
On 29-9-2011 8:27, Horace Heffner wrote:
Looking at the other side of the coin, the probability of
catastrophic failure, suppose there is a 0.1% chance per hour one
of the E-cats can blow up spreading steam throughout the
container
The sentence below: This is totally consistent with the probability
of failure in one E-cat in one hour being 5%. should read: This is
totally consistent with the probability of failure of at least one E-
cat (of 52) in one hour being 5%.
On Sep 29, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Horace Heffner wrote
not refer to anything bout an E-cat
performance dropping. The other side of the coin to increased
probability of some E-cat working when multiple devices run together
is the increased probability of catastrophic failure.
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been tested for excess heat both in forward
current and reverse current mode, with null results. To my
knowledge no testing for transmutation or occasional high energy
radiation has been made.
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Thanks MoB
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a derogatory name, like fool, snake or clown is.
Where is an example of ad hominem attack by Krivit? It may well
exist, but I don't recall seeing such.
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is saying NASA also saw the darkness at the end
of the stairs
15 I really enjoy Horace Heffner these weeks, and Joshua Cude in
recent months
Thanks. I thought maybe it was all for nothing.
16 believe that Krivit, like me, basically wants to find for himself
what the case actually is
17 many big
and (b) specific occurrences of ad hominem
attack by Krivit ...
2011/9/30 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
These remarks provide an excellent pedagogical example!
Your argument below is an ad hominem attack. The statements:you
that you
are not able for normal social interaction and you
.
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waiting for an example from you of Krivit using an ad
hominem attack against Rossi and Levi. If you have none then your
statement, ... Krivit started vicious ad hominem attacking against
Rossi and
Levi, is in error.
2011/9/30 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
On Sep 29, 2011
.
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On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 30.09.2011 19:33, schrieb Horace Heffner:
On Sep 30, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
It definitely looks like that the next test will be performed in
Bologna. Have a look at this scan here, from Rossi's EPO
.
I can provide detailed calcs later. I have to go for an MRI and
other tests today which may take the rest of the day.
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On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:16 AM, David Jonsson wrote:I made a calculation in an inertial system and found that the CERN-OPERA neutrino speed was bysome percentdue to the rotation of the Earth around its own axis. Do you agree that the calculation should be made in a non rotating system? By the time
On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:16 AM, David Jonsson wrote:I made a calculation in an inertial system and found that the CERN-OPERA neutrino speed was bysome percentdue to the rotation of the Earth around its own axis. Do you agree that the calculation should be made in a non rotating system? By the time
Hopefully this one is correct. Sorry for the multiple posts on this. I am surprised and happy to see the archives now save and show jpgs.On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:16 AM, David Jonsson wrote:I made a calculation in an inertial system and found that the CERN-OPERA neutrino speed was bysome percentdue
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periodically, one to five times per minute. There is no need to
record more frequently than this in a test that lasts an hour or
longer.
- Jed
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people to travel long distance, is only common
sense. A test of this importance should not be rushed and hopefully
will not be underfunded.
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like Jed who are so good at clearly, accurately, and
fully saying what they have to say, and usually without a tone that
puts a person to sleep.
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On Oct 3, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Man on Bridges wrote:
Hi,
On 2-10-2011 14:25, Horace Heffner wrote:
When playing dice the probability p of rolling a 1 in a single
roll is 1/6, the probability q of not rolling a 1 is q = 1-p =
5/6. The probability of rolling two 1's in two rolls is p^2 =
1
/Gambling.pdf
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to see someone actually read that post.
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. This happens much more quickly than
often understood, even with typical house odds, and in a
psychologically unfortunate manner. This is described in detail here:
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,
but there are of course a number of other logical fallacies and
biases a gambler has to overcome, as I pointed out in my A
Perspective on Gambling article:
http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Gambling.pdf
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On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
See:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm#Downloads
Congratulations!
All your hard work is paying off, if not for you directly, for everyone.
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On Oct 3, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Man on Bridges wrote:
Hi,
On 3-10-2011 23:00, Horace Heffner wrote:
I changed the referenced text to read: For example, if the
probability of a catastrophe when drinking and driving once is
1/1000 = .001, then the probability of a catastrophe in 600
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the evidence might have
finally been at hand.
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data recording, and moved
thermocouples, this test might have been a stunning success.
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of the
exchanger by 1°C. This is not possible. However, if even close to
true, the efficiency of the heat exchanger is very high. Since it is
a commercially built model that can be expected.
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could then account for increased temperature from the Tout
thermocouple, which is located close to the hot water/steam input.
Further, the fact the data is highly variable is an indication the
hot water arrives at the heat exchanger in slugs.
That's my take on it.
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of a couple of such measurements above.
—Jouni
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kirjoitti:
The following is in regard to the Rossi 7 Oct E-cat experiment as
reported by NyTeknic here:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/
article3284823
on Scrooge. No warmth
could warm, no wintry weather chill him. No wind that blew was
bitterer than he, no falling snow was more intent upon its purpose,
no pelting rain less open to entreaty.
A Christmas Carol, Charles Dickens
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still am on the fence on this one.
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think is very useful for calibration runs, where
it is known there is no excess heat. If the protocol is good and
sufficiently long, and the measurements good, then at the end of the
run the COP ends up at 1.
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and functioning all throughout
the self-sustaining phase of the Rossi demo.
This seems to be something new in the Rossi design and may be how
the self-sustaining mode was engineered.
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An extended review of the Rossi 6 Oct 2011 test, with a better format
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This demonstrates what a large effect a small error in delta T can make.
The computed data is probably wrong both with the bias and without
it. Correct numbers, assuming no systematic error on Tout
measurement, are probably somewhere in between.
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On Oct 8, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-10-08 01:28, Horace Heffner wrote:
The following is in regard to the Rossi 7 Oct E-cat experiment as
reported by NyTeknic here:
A knowledgeable user on italian discussion board
Energeticambiente.it made a few impressive charts
.
lauantai, 8. lokakuuta 2011 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
kirjoitti:
On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Second flaw in your reasoning is that it pointless to calculate
COP from the beginning of the temporarily limited test. That is
because initial heating took 18 MJ
a systematic false reading.
This is a hypothetical explanation of the graph. Others, involving
genuine excess energy, have been made.
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-datalogger-4-canali-tm-947-con-scheda-sd.html
- Jed
Not very accurate for this purpose.
Risoluzione: 1°C , 1°F / 0.1°C,0.1°F
I take it this means 1°C absolute, and 0.1°C relative.
This means for a 5°C delta t there could be 2°C error, or 40%.
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On Oct 8, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
On Oct 8, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This was shown in the video on the table. Lewan says this was a
Termometro a 4 canali TM-947 SD.
4 canali evidently means you can attach up to 4
an artificially high temperature. It
would be useful to have some form of thermometer at the Thot location.
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sides of the
fitting. I wonder if those are footprints of the thermocouples used.
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to the spot. Attached is a clip showing
where he pointed. Not very definitive, but pretty close to the top
of nut I would say, right where the wire length puts it.
inline: Tout.jpg
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I sent a number of posts last night which have not shown up. I'll
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to the spot. Attached is a clip showing
where he pointed. Not very definitive, but pretty close to the top
of nut I would say, right where the wire length puts it.
inline: Tout.jpg
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Some obvious questions arise.
Did Rossi manually adjust the RF power at 16:38?
Did the RF device have controls?
Is there a photo or video of it?
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My graphs are now present at these URLs:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiGraph.png
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2Pout.png
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2_RF.png
The last one was updated to provide a better Y axis.
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On Oct 9, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
Here are some charts of possible interest.
Thanks!
Put the first one up there too, in jpg or pgn format.
I don't understand why your renditions come out so small but the
images are sharp so
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)) *(15,000 gm))*(76K) = 4.79 MJ to heat the water
to boiling. Looking at the spread sheet this input energy Ein was
indeed reached at about 13:22. This means steam probably reached the
heat exchanger at this time, about 130 minutes into the test.
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On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-10-09 09:39 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
Here are some charts of possible interest.
...
It appears the RF power was ramped up at 16:38 (326 min)and down
at 18:53 (461 min). The T2 curve mysteriously responds, despite
On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-10-09 09:39 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
Here are some charts of possible interest.
...
It appears the RF power was ramped up at 16:38 (326 min)and down
at 18:53 (461 min). The T2 curve mysteriously responds, despite
://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2Pout.png
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2_RF.png
I hope they are not too large. I noticed I had to reduce size to
print them. The letters come out small.
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agree more. Hope someone suggests this to Rossi.
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the charts look better in the
pdf. I simply had to make them a bit more narrow. I did so and
moved the legend to the bottom. I'm still not happy with it. I
guess I need to update or change my software.
The review is still a work in progress.
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indicate.
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On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
The hyperlink to graph 3 is mistakenly pointing to graph 2 I think.
Right you are. Thanks! Should have been:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2_RF.png
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Horace Heffner
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).
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On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 01:37 AM 10/11/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: ..
In the section :
NO HEAT TRANSFER TO HEAT EXCHANGER UNTIL 13:22
19:22: Measured outflow of primary circuit in heat exchanger,
supposedly condensed steam, to be
345 g in 180 seconds
better!
The possibility such great data was not taken is extremely
disappointing.
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have
to be in the horizontal part of the thermocouple mounting T, on the
leg away from the thermocouple.
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been around since atleast the beginning of July.
This experiment also uses a flow of 15kg/hr.
Harry
Say, I wonder, what is the little white box and the black box behind
it, in the third picture down. RF generator in that picture?
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was in the circuit.
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Dennis Cravens noted that RF affects thermocouples. They rectify the
signal. This has been observed in CF experiments. This would mean
the RF signal could bias T2 upwards during the heat after death period.
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On Oct 11, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
Does anyone know what units are displayed on the odometer type
display and sweep hands on the water meters used?
It says m^3 on the face, and the dials have x0.1, x 0.01, x0.001
and one with a value I can't read but assume is x0.0001
was high, the water level in the reservoir
was falling, and at 18:54 the water level was rising.
- Jed
It may be that at 16:51 a slug of hot water was affecting the Pout
thermocouple, and it 18:54 not so much.
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, like digital watches, and the only thing you can
do is break them.
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It may be useful to read my review, though it is still in draft form:
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) using occasional sporadic
short interval flow measurements. This is the value of using volume
meters. Because they monitor continuously, they catch brief
excursions that might otherwise be missed.
Unfortunately the flow meters were ignored.
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waving.
Your voice recognition system needs to be adapted to sense arm waves
and footnote the text with reader warnings. 8^)
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
This is what I was talking about when I wrote: The earlier noted
flow measurement of 0.9 g/s, by Lewan, was at the output of the
water/steam from the condenser heat exchanger. It might have had
nothing to do
used
for checking the calibration of heat exchanger, but this
opportunity was missed by the observers.
—Jouni
There is no way to know if it was overflowing or not. No one took
the hose off to look.
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I need to take a break from this for a while. Snow line is coming
down the mountains.
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Man on Bridges wrote:
Hi,
On 12-10-2011 16:10, Horace Heffner wrote:
Interesting. The secondary circuit flow meter can be read at the
end of the test here:
http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo1.jpg
I read the meter as 13.1403 m^3, or 1314.3 liters. Given
See current cartoon:
http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2011/04/e-cat-to-be-official-
launch-name.html
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http://lenr.qumbu.com/111010_pics/111010_3_crop.jpg
http://lenr.qumbu.com/111010_pics/111010_4_crop.jpg
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Original data spread sheet:
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 04:22 PM 10/12/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
POSSIBLE SYTEMATIC THERMOMETRY ERRORS
Regarding the T2 probe, examine the two photos to the right of this
article:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3284823.ece
The top
/
AndreaRossiEnergyCatalyzerPhotoGallery-June.shtml
more specifically here:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/img/June2011/DSC_0025-
BlueBox.JPG
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on the edge of the big brass
manifold, or possibly even touched it.
All this uncertainty obviously could have been avoided if the
thermocouple had been located a few cm down the hose away from the
heat exchanger, preferably in a protective well exposed to the water.
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On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 05:58 PM 10/13/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
It does not appear there are any fins on the bottom of the reactor
housing.
My confidential observer said that there ARE fins on the bottom.
I pleaded with him to get photos of everything
with Rossie’s statement. It is of
course important to obtain accurate measurements of these values to
make consistent sense of the data.
-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis by Bob
sense of the data.
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Analysis by Bob Higgins
Mark,
I am working on getting better or confirming estimates. I am also
working on multiple other things
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