On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
Yes, data is missing, but there is also ALOT of data available, too.
Unfortunately, it is difficult to even agree on what the facts are!
Like you mention, it's difficult even to agree on what the facts are.
Certainly on this list.
Kivin--
My grasp is based on intuition--not existing theory. I happen to agree with
Don Hodson’s concern about basic physics teachings that do not account for the
energy associated with spin in the mass of the proton and other particles.
Spin energy has always been neglected in my opinion
What does a near-zero K temperature phenomenon have to do with LENR or the
price of wheat?
You are talking about a BEC of Rydberg atoms. That BEC is very heavy and
can only happen at low temperatures. A BEC of Zero mass or near zero mass
bosons can exist at vey high temperatures. So your inbreed
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
What does a near-zero K temperature phenomenon have to do with LENR or the
price of wheat?
You are talking about a BEC of Rydberg atoms. That BEC is very heavy and
can only happen at low temperatures. A BEC of Zero mass or
By what train of careful experimentation was it shown that magnetism has a
huge effect on the fusion or fission cross sections in the kinds of
contexts we're looking at?
ICF via lasers want to get to 6*10^23 electrons per cm-3 to achieve Hot
fusion.
See:
Such an experiment is not easily done. A fellow got a Nobel prize for that
type of experiment not too long ago.
If you want me to build a polariton laser, that is over my head. Since you
don't want to read about it, we might need to wait for Rossi's big reveal.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:00 AM,
Jones and Bob--
I like this line of thought.
I think the current Mills theory and data indicate that a shrunken hydrogen
molecule can also form. However, I would think it would be likely advance to a
Cooper pair and a Boson as a result. This would make fusion possible.
Shrunken H and D
Very inspiring and well motivated what you say here, Jojo.
It leads, in my opinion to a crucial problem, question:
What is the essential difference between the classic LENR
with Watts of heat release and the new LENR+ a la Rossi and DGT
with enhanced heat release at the kWatts level?
My answer
Peter, thank you for the kind words.
Are you proposing a different mechanism than Axil's Nano antenna NAE to
bootstrap the LENR BEC reaction? Your NAE is dynamically created? Do you
propose nano structures also for your NAE? If you are, you also have to
explain how that surface structure
The simplest answer to these question is YES.
A bit longer one;
- as you know, DGT works by making hydrogen more reactive
and Ni more receptive, if you read their ICCF-17 paper you will see they
are increasing the mobility of the surfaces of Ni crystals- we still have
to see
what exactly can play
Bob,
This line of thought also brings back Lyne atomic oven and MAHG theory of
operation where a shrunken molecules forms between the shrunken atoms… what
happens to this molecular bond when the “shrinkage” factor changes.. if the
disassociation threshold is reduced you have yet another
From: Bob Cook
Jones and Bob-- I like this line of thought.
I think the current Mills theory and data indicate that a
shrunken hydrogen molecule can also form. However, I would think it would
be likely advance to a Cooper pair
One of the possibilities is that there are many types of nano-antennas
formed in the NiH system. When starting up the major carrier of the
reaction are the nanowires. But as the reactor heats up and its energy
output is increased, then the reaction sites may form in the spaces between
Axil, nice insight which also gives support to dynamic formation of plasma in
the Papp engine. I was also one of those who felt self destruction would bring
the reaction to a halt but the Rossi melt down does point to the continued run
away reaction even after the geometry has melted. Like
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The nanowire sites are fixed and permanent and the nanoparticle sites are
dynamic an possibly destroyed after the reaction but not necessarily(to be
determined).
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
One of the possibilities is that there are many types
Jones and Bob,
Jones, you said that:
I agree that the BEC is a fiction at elevated temperature,
I don't think Yeong Kim proposes a classical cold temperature BEC as the
source of his fusion. He told me that the condensates he has postulated
form in magnetic traps in the material. So, at
Steven reported that massive amounts of info from the BLP demo is now
online. I wish it was better organized.
The most hyped up doc is here :
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/072114Demons
tration-Abbreviated.pdf
I have not found time to wade through all of this
Ed Storms just gives us one out of a potential million LENR reaction
results that have been seen in LENR experimentation. Ed never wanted to
consider transmutation as a valid consequence of the LENR reaction. By
embracing transmutation, Ed would need to explain countless variations and
Bob,
I agree with most of what you say. The devil is in the details and we are short
on details.
My great hope is that we will get the data we need from the Swedes this time
around.
Jones
From: Bob Higgins
Jones and Bob,
Jones, you said that:
I agree that the BEC
Axil and all,
This theory would explain the claimed transmutation when carbon is microwaved.
Does carbon in a microwave transmute or not?
I can't seem to find a real answer, yet it seems like a simple
question and experiment, given the availability of very pure carbon
(and kitchen appliances.)
Fran--
The fact that particles are relativistic in many cosmic reactions and two
particles may be traveling side by side suggests that either gravity or maybe
static (relative to the particles) magnetic fields can cause the shrinking and
fusion to a lower dark state, and this is responsible
Hello Axel,
I do understand that there are good theories and not so good dittos.
Why so adamant?
It seems to me that there is a myriad of theories, some of them have
similarities, some of them exclude each other.
Very little is won by finding holes in the other theories.
Problems are many and the
From: Bob Higgins
Consider that the DDL state is regarded as being about 511
keV less than H in normal ground state. The mass energy difference between
2 ground state H atoms and a ground state D atom is 1.66 MeV… So, now the
H#2 molecule may only
Previously in this thread and another related thread related to hydrogen
isomers being “dark matter” and the emerging possibility that the Rossi reactor
is a DDL/ Dark-Matter device…
.. this [3.5 keV] seems to be near a Rydberg emission line, and possibly
already associated with deep level
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-297/aflb297m329.pdf
*Low Energy Induced Nuclear Fusion Via Coherence*
*Of The Quantum Vacuum, Zero-Point Energy*
*Through Ultra Close Range Casimir Effects*
Page 1119
The analysis of the carbon residue is tabulated below for the four
samples collected as
Bob and Jones--
Rossi has designed his reactor tubes to avoid departure from nucleate boiling
and thus melting of the jacket. The internal nickel has a high heat tolerance
and can stand high temperatures. Gas formation is apparently not a problem for
him and has suggested to me that He is
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Going from carbon and water to nickel is a LENR reaction that requires the
injection of a good deal of energy to occur. Since carbon are water are low
Z elements that transmute to high Z elements, just about all the elements
produced require external energy for the reaction to occur.
I asked Axil and Vortex whether Carbon in a Microwave transmutes.
Axil's answer was a link to a paper from 1994 showing that it could.
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-297/aflb297m329.pdf
Given: Nano powder LENR experiments appear difficult to recreate.
And: Carbon in a microwave is said to produce
Jones,
I think you did not understand or agree with what I said previously in
bullet 4).
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Bob Higgins
Consider that the DDL state is regarded as being about 511
keV less than H in
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The most flexible explanation of the LENR reaction is one that entails a
powerful bolt of energy impacting on an unspecified but variable pile of
atoms that result in any sort of recombination of any number of protons and
I completely disagree Axil, the Mizuno endothermic (or Ahern endothermic)
observation is not at all catastrophic.
You said:
This contemplation of an endothermic mechanism is a catastrophic sacrilege
of epic proportions for Ed because it violates his beloved and inviolable
laws of
I seriously doubt that Ed Storms would permit the blatant violation of the
strictures of thermodynamics to embrace your scenario.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
I completely disagree Axil, the Mizuno endothermic (or Ahern endothermic)
observation
This is not a violation of thermodynamics, but a failure to identify the
true starting total energy state which must include the fractional Rydberg
states of the atoms if such states exist. Yeong Kim's paper describes his
solution to the wave equation for sub-ground states and his solution says
Bob,
I do not necessarily disagree so much as am presenting another option. Since
the electron antineutrino has been overlooked in your hypothesis, there could
be a more accurate way for this to unfold. The half integer spin would be a
problem, as would the source of the antineutrino. It
Jones and Axil--
I agree with Jones. It looks like there is a lot of emissions in the 2 to 6
Kev range. Is there any normal explanation of this range of emissions
associated with normal electron obit energies associated with H2 or He or D2 or
H or D?
I wonder about the source of the
Rossi claims that he uses nano-nickel particles. I have no idea what the
sintering and melting temperatures of those structures. We know that carbon
nano structures have very good high temperature properties. A Ni-H nano
structure may even be better at high temperatures.
I would not give
Bob,
This is a common misconception. Rossi does NOT use nano-Ni. Rossi uses Ni
particles (from the carbonyl process) that have a high external area and
particle diameter of 4-8 microns. Rossi adds a catalyst, that is believed
to be a nanopowder, to the carbonyl Ni particles and then grows
Jones and Bob--
The di-proton I suggested might be real. Check out CERN below for evidence
of what is called a dibaryon with a short lifetime. Intense magnetic fields
may improve the lifetime. The “new” dibaryon seems like it could be a Cooper
pair to me.
Interesting, but the mass-energy is too high at 2380 MeV.
We would be looking for something around 2000 MeV
From: Bob Cook
Jones and Bob--
The di-proton I suggested might be real. Check out CERN below for evidence
of what is called a dibaryon with a short lifetime.
Thanks for the clarification.
Bob Cook
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From: Bob Higgins
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:32 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Bob,
This is a common misconception. Rossi does NOT use nano-Ni. Rossi uses Ni
particles (from the carbonyl process)
Bob,
The smaller the material, the lower its sintering temperature - significantly
lower than the melting temp of the bulk material. If you google sintering
nickel, you will find out that this is true. Even at the lower operating
temps of the original ecat (not the hotcat), nanosturctures
HI Jones,
Regarding the July 22, 2014, PDF documents:
http://tinyurl.com/poj7ga5 - 215 megabytes, with embedded video.
http://tinyurl.com/q28bn4w - Abbreviated version, no video.
I am less cynical in my perception of BLP's chances of pulling the magic
rabbit out of the hat than you appear to
Jojo--
I did a little review and agree that most nano sized particles do not like to
much temperature becoming unstable relative to bulk temperature integrity.
Thanks for that correction of my previous comments regarding Ni nano particles.
As noted by Bob Higgins, Rossi does not start with
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
What I find interesting is that according to Mills there is
no known chemical reaction that is capable of generating soft X-Rays. Are
you aware of any chemical reaction that can?
X-rays show up in
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