Jeff:
Thanks for all the effort to get a better understanding of how the sensors work.
I filled out a technical response request at two different sensor manufacturers
to also get a better
understanding. Here is one response from Vaisala.com re: the effects of liquid
droplets...
If the water
First, here is my conclusion based on the methodology and resoning below:
If certain conditions are present, one can reduce this to a mass-in, mass out
problem, and you
don't need to measure the volume of steam exiting in order to estimate dryness
I don't think anyone here was suggesting that
Horace said:
This is funny because there was an accusation that I worked for Rossi made
here at one time. A
conspiracy theory.
Horace, that was me, and it was only in jest... :-)
Are you?
Because, come to think of it, I don't think you've explicitly denied it!!
Double :-)
-Mark
, 2011 4:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...
On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Horace said:
This is funny because there was an accusation that I worked for Rossi
made here at one time. A conspiracy theory.
Horace, that was me
. Water Heater for coffee/tea...
On Jun 25, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Still no denial Horace!
Now you're messin' with us...
:-)
I hope you got some stock in Rossi's company, cuz the parr-teee is
gonna be at your house, and it ain't gonna be cheap! :-)
-Mark
Good for yet
Josh:
First, thanks for at least looking at the methodology and then trying to
critique it w/o resorting
to personal attacks...
part of this exercise was to see who can at least think out of the box and
consider some PROPOSED
line of reasoning.
Second, and this really irks the hell out of me
: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I hope you got some stock in Rossi's company, cuz the parr-teee is
gonna be at your house, and it ain't gonna be cheap! :-)
You like Alaska in the winter?
T
If that's the case, then it might explain why Galantini specifies 100.1
(99.7+0.4 C).
Last time I looked, the specs on the combined Testo temp-hum probe were:
accuracy: +-0.4C
resolution:+-0.1C
So he was taking into consideration the worst case scenario when making his
measurements...
I assume all of the demos/tests that we've seen since Jan have been at Rossi's
building/office and
not at the University of Bologna? What's the elevation/altitude at that
location?
-Mark
Josh:
Your off by a factor of 1000 on the saturation mass of water vapor at 100.1 and
1 atm...
So I'll assume that your calc was in kg/m^3, and you forgot to convert to
grams...
NIST has a really nice website for calculating physical properties here:
http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/fluid/
measures steam quality...
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Josh:
Your off by a factor of 1000 on the saturation mass of water vapor at 100.1 and
1 atm...
So I'll assume that your calc was in kg/m^3, and you forgot to convert to
grams...
NIST has
, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
First, here is my conclusion based on the methodology and resoning
below:
If certain conditions are present, one can reduce this to a mass-in,
mass out problem, and
you
don't need to measure the volume
This interesting tidbit from PhysOrg.com... Anything interesting about the
numbers 83 and 105?
Scientists have discovered fundamental steps of charging of nano-sized water
droplets and unveiled
the long-sought-after mechanism of hydrogen emission from irradiated water.
Working together at
Krivit just posted to NET his latest report on his visit to Italy... Doesn't
paint a very rosy
picture, but that was justified since any real questions weren't answered with
any real technical
data.
What was interesting was this comment by SK,
the day after I left Bologna, I went to Napoli and
Oops, forgot to change the Subject line...
Altho, those were interesting mirages... If not portals in other universes...
Pretty Fringe, eh? :-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:40 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
All I wanna know is where's the bikini-clad babe holding the Round-N sign!
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Cat Fight
As Iverson reported in his mirage response:)
Angela:
Thanks for providing some hopefully more accurate data! I posted a question a
few days ago as to
what the altitude was for the location of Rossi's office where all the
tests/demos have been done.
We can't make the mistake of thinking they were done at the University.
Just how well do
Steven:
If you're implying that Angela (or someone) might be proposing that weather
conditions might have
some effect OTHER THAN simply affecting the BP of water, then NO, I don't think
that's the case. As
has been discussed at length here, the E-Cat's performance critically depends
on the
Another interesting observation of the old chimney, is that not only is it
about 4 times taller, but
the diameter of it increases to at least double that of the short vertical
section of pipe that
feeds it! Could it be that when they were running this thing at 10KW to 20KW,
the volume of
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From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:32 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom's
analysis
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Steven:
Another proposal
to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom's
analysis
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Geezus Josh, you're grasping at straws... and obviously flawed ones at that.
First:
It should be COMPELETLY obvious that we're talking about the
behavior/performance
Joshua wrote:
I guess I misunderstood you when you said
The chimney could also have some baffles inside that would prevent liquid
water from being
ejected; it would simple fall back down into the boiling water. [iverson]
Ever hear of an 'ejection' seat... or the phrase, 'the person was
analysis
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Again, I think it would be obvious that ***IF*** the heat production of the
reactor is not enough to
vaporize nearly all of the water flowing in each second, then YES, the chimney
will eventually fill
up
Joshua wrote:
No, this is not the way it would happen. Even if the power is enough to
vaporize only a few per
cent of the water (by mass), then gas will occupy nearly all the volume (ninety
some per cent). So,
there is no way that the chimney would fill up with water; that would block the
Guys:
The E-Cats have more than one resistance heater. With the last several demos,
there have been two,
one internal and one external...
This proposal only deals with the internal one, and assumes that the internal
heating element is
very near to the reactor, or inside the outer walls of
To all Vorts that read/speak Italian:
Could you please visit the website that Harry Veeder supplied and report back
to The Collective!
http://www.ioriocirillo.com/eng/index.php
Thanks in Advance,
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hlvee...@yahoo.com]
Sent:
Robert:
Thank you for taking time to do some calcs on the hydrogen pressure inside
after ignition...
Another interesting tidbit I noticed when investigating the specific heat of
the rubber hose vs
other materials (including cast iron which Joshua Cude was using as a
comparison), I sorted
Okay Rich, what have you been smokin' this evening?
There are too many unknowns, unfortunately, to come to any real conclusion for
or against... So we
just wait and continue to discuss the information as it slowly flows out... Pun
intended.
:-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Rich
Josh:
Would not any material with a significant heat capacity cause a sort of a
low-pass filter effect;
delaying and smoothing out the temperature fluctuations???
Well we have three material in this system that have high specific heats:
- In the reactor we have water (4.18) and hydrogen gas
Jeff wrote:
...it can condense into microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat
of vaporization)
Agreed, and where does that released latent heat GO?
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Driscoll [mailto:hcarb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:37 AM
To:
is not measured correctly intentionally (fraudulently)
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Jeff wrote:
...it can condense into microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat
(heat of vaporization)
Agreed, and where does that released latent heat GO?
-Mark
Take a look at Fig. 2.2.3 (about 2/3rds of the way down the page) on this
website:
http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/steam-engineering-principles-and-he
at-transfer/what-is-steam.asp
There is a very clear explanation below the Figure...
This is the best
I think one has to take into consideration the specific heat... think of the
water as a big 'heat
capacitor', and although it is at the boiling point (BP) at point 'B' on the
graph, it absorbs a
shitload more heat energy by the time it gets to point 'C' on the graph,
imparting more and more
Damon:
What do you mean by this statement???
Water at 100 C does not boil and magically get 0.1 degree hotter as steam.
What were they
thinking?
The temperature of steam can be anywhere from boiling point on up to hundreds
of degrees... it all
depends on pressure.
-Mark
_
From:
Steven wrote:
Sigh... guess I'll have to get my own.
Come on Steven, 'fess-up... that was your plan all along!!!
;-)
Now you won't have to share...
-Mark
Nikola Tesla...
-Mark
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:36 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Re:
Josh wrote:
Surely someone so brilliant to find the solution to the world's energy
problems, should be able to
design an airtight demonstration of it, that the galloping gourmet can't
dispute.
I'm sure Rossi could if he wanted to... he just doesn't have the time, and has
stated that
He also uses: Tinsel Koala
-Mark
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From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff
At 12:54 PM 7/7/2011, Mark Iverson wrote:
Nikola Tesla...
Ahhh .
: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:14 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
He also uses: Tinsel Koala
Yes, the same dude who allegedly made a self running whipmag motor
Amazing video (time-lapse) of massive dust storm in Phoenix, Arizona...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYnuzoH5oBAfeature=related
Note the sky above the leading edge and how clouds form... Temperature and
pressure must be changing
quite dramatically.
-Mark
And that jogging went down Merlot Lane or Cabernet Circle?
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:17 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:INFORMAVOREs SUNDAY No 463
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Peter Gluck
Another tidbit, but from part 1 of 2...
The post-reaction analysis shows a copper isotope ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 1.6,
while the natural
occurrence show a ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24 which is a statistically
significant difference. That,
of course, excludes contamination as an explanation of
Smaller is not necessarily better... here's an interesting tidbit from the
ecatreport.
Andrea Rossi stresses that, although one might first think the finer the
better because the finer
the powder the more surface area per volume you get, this is not the case.
Because in order to reach
useful
Steven wrote:
For now, I think I'll reserve a definitive conclusion on the Rossi matter.
As Richard Feynman said, there are some who are very uncomfortable not making a
decision...
Some individuals tend to operate in a binary mode, and are constantly changing
their 'decision' as
new data comes
But Robin, how about the 2nd half of that excerpt, where the optimal grain-size
is more than a
micrometer, not nanometers... I would think that a 'tubercle', which is likely
composed of numerous
'grains', would be larger than its constituent parts (i.e. a grain)!
Rossi tells that he worked
Robert wrote:
The statements of Defkalion, including their alleged liquid-phase-only
testing, mean that they've
either passed Rossi in development, or they are complicit in propogating
misinformation.
Rossi is not really into the design of final products -- his 'product' is the
reactor core
JC wrote:
Have I got it straight? Because if so, then I think the idea is whacked. If
not -- if you think the
ecat *can* produce intermediate powers -- please try to explain what would
come out of the ecat if
it were producing 2 kW power (in the Krivit demo). Presumably, if there is no
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_67x.html
-Mark
]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:42 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Anybody seen this GUT before?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_67x.html
No, but do you know many HAMs?
http://www.k1man.com/web60
jed, I got the post and the picture...
-Mark
_
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 12:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Is the itty-bitty photo visible?
I posted a message titled Calibrating a pair of K-type thermocouples with an
Abd wrote:
Whatever is the cause, that the temperature is nailed shows that there is
steam and water in
equilibrium.
It's only been recently that Rossi admits to achieving completely dry steam,
and from Kullander's
report we can estimate that the steam has less than 2% liquid content (1.4%
Abd wrote:
... that the temperature is nailed shows that there is steam and water in
equilibrium.
This is not a characteristic of dry steam.
It all depends on the consistency of the inlet flow rate and water temperature,
and the reactor's
heat production. With most of the tests the pump
Here's an excerpt from a science news story today about the effect that
hydrogen has on graphene...
perhaps there is some relevance to what happens inside the reactor when the H2
becomes heated and
pressure to increase...
===
Findings of researchers at the Department of
Robert's statement here, if true, would be tragically hilarious!
It's always possible that A.R.'s too stubborn to listen to criticism and, in
an effort to turn the
E-Cat down, - ended up turning it off.
That would be one for the history books!
-Mark
the 'progress' toward a self-sustaining E-Cat... What a
coincidence!
Interesting times indeed...
-Mark Iverson
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-iverson/6/915/409
I guess that statement could also be interpreted as...
... The patent will EXPIRE in 9 years
But that doesn't add up since that means it was granted over 11 years ago (20
year term?)...
Any other interpretations for that statement???
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson
I'm all in favor of moving to a more modern venue as well since there are times
when I've wanted to
upload files or photos and am frustrated that we're operating with such
limitations...
As far as 'Who decides'?
I think most of the 'regulars' and ol' Timers would agree that, out of respect
Fran and Jones...
This also may involve Casimir effects, but on a Hubble scale... Haven't heard
of that before!
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-gyroscope-unexplained-due-inertia.html
McCulloch proposes that the gyroscope's inertial mass is determined by
surrounding Unruh radiation
that
There were two things that struck me as unusual about Art's Parts:
1) extremely thin alternating layers of two elements (a multi-layered
capacitor?)
2) those elements were **extremely** pure
In many cases, the electrical/physical properties of the extremely pure are
quite different from
even
Perhaps we should all contribute a few bucks, buy one and have it shipped to
Professor Levi at the U
of B! :-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Michele Comitini [mailto:michele.comit...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Steam Test
.
It is such a perfect setup for the 5-10 kW range - and the results of testing
should be so precise
and idiot-proof without high cost, that it can be considered suspicious NOT to
go this route IMHO.
Jones
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson
Perhaps we should all contribute a few bucks, buy one
T.Blanton wrote:
(This is getting outta hand.)
Isn't that the whole purpose?
:-)
It's ok to put away the serious for a few moments, and just laugh...
In fact, its healthy!
I know I don't have to remind Terry, but some on this list could definitely use
a regular dose of
laughter.
Here's to
Was RH measurement 'flawed'?
So long as the probe is rated to operate above 100°C, it should provide a valid
RH reading, PROVIDED
you let the probe come up to the same temperature as the vapor.
with a probe guaranteed to resist up to 550°C
So the probe can work up to 550°C.
When a cold probe
Mattia wrote:
There is NO AIR inside e-cat. Only vapor mixture.
The probe is designed ONLY for measurements in AIR.
I'm afraid that is a common misconception which was mentioned on this list
shortly after the January
demo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity
Misconception
Often
I know that all residential bldgs here in the US are NOT at water main
pressure... all bldgs have a
regulator that drops the pressure below that in the main line under the street.
Whether that is the
case for industrial bldgs in Italy, I don't know, but I would also think that
one would have
These are very interesting developments indeed... And not unexpected.
As Einstein said, Without morality in out actions, there is no salvation for
mankind.
It's hard enough finding business people who have a high level of integrity
when times are good, but
given the dismal state of affairs in
Abd said...
Rossi could have and should have delegated response there to someone he
trusted.
If he trusts anyone!
Indeed, if I were Rossi, I'd have a hard time trusting anyone...
Assuming that Defkalion has 'played' Rossi, what I'd like to know is if
Stremmenos is complicit in
this
FYI:
I know this is really far from what is usually discussed, but I post this in
the hopes that it might
provide an alternative treatment for anyone who comes across this who is, or
knows of someone,
suffering from cancer...
http://www.burzynskimovie.com/
We just watched this movie on The
At this time the movie is free to view at the website run by his patients who
have been cured...
http://burzynskipatientgroup.org/
-Mark
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From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:37 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]: OT, Dr
FYI:
Discovery of geomagnetically trapped cosmic ray antiprotons
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.4882v1.pdf
Excerpts from abstract:
This Letter reports the discovery of an antiproton radiation belt around the
Earth. The trapped
antiproton energy spectrum in the South Atlantic
Someone felt that it appears that Defkalion is acting conciliatory...
This isn't surprising at all... Defkalion and/or Stemmenos confirmed that
Rossi's comment about it
being 'purely financial' would explain what has happened. For whatever
reasons, Defkalion has not
performed according to the
Had Galantini submitted this report a long time ago, it could have saved alot
of net bandwidth...
It is also very similar reasoning to what I tried to explain many months ago,
then on 8/4, and again
recently with Jeff Driscoll off-list.
1) It is NOT necessary to have AIR (i.e., N2 and O2)
It takes a lawyer, or a former lawyer, to recognize the following comment by
Jones (a former
lawyer):
2)There are no Rossi reactors in Greece. True. In fact the reactors
submitted to the Greek
government are made by DGT, called Hyperions and are not Rossi's E-Cats, and
come from a design of
Hi Steven...
I've taken part in this aspect of a startup more than once. And it's just
started for the E-Cat...
No doubt there will be several more, but the bluff and posturing may never see
the light of the
public venue since Rossi has made it clear that he's holding nearly all the
cards...
Translation:
Defkalion has kissed enough of Rossi's behind and smoothed Rossi's ruffled
feathers, and all is
good for now...
Does that mean that DGT is still in the game if they hurry up and produce
according to the contract?
Time will tell...
-Mark
_
From: Terry Blanton
LoL!
With wads of cotton in his cheeks...
-Mark
_
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:21 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:TIS THE SEASON FOR NO MORE COMMENTS
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net
: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:TIS THE SEASON FOR NO MORE COMMENTS
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
LoL!
With wads of cotton in his cheeks...
That would
Abd stated:
So what happens? Half the water spills into the tube, half is vaporized and
also flows into the
tube. This is 50% quality steam, in the tube.
I think that is a misunderstanding on your part, Abd.
The 'wet' in wet steam is ONLY suspended water droplets, NOT water condensed on
the
Abd wrote:
You are, however, assuming that Galantini could tell that the chimney had no
liquid water in it at
the level of the thermometer, because he withdrew the probe and observed that
it was dry.
[deleted sentence]
Has it occurred to you that steam doesn't come out of the thermometer port
Abd wrote:
Mark, you are focusing on the name of the thing rather than the reality. For
our purposes, wet
steam is a 2-phase system in equilibrium at the boiling point. The size of the
phase regions is not
relevant.
IMHO, that's being sloppy. If we're really serious about getting to the truth,
This is an interesting and detailed animation of the sequence of events that
eventually led to the
failure of the Blow-Out Preventer (BOP) and subsequent flow of crude into the
Gulf... They include
pictures of the actual failed components which provided the clues to piece
together what
You can get the gist of it just by the hyperlink...
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-controversial-energy-generating-lacking-credibility-video.html
-Mark
FYI:
Inexpensive catalyst that makes hydrogen gas 10 times faster than natural enzyme
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-inexpensive-catalyst-hydrogen-gas-faster.html
Looking to nature for their muse, researchers have used a common protein to
guide the design of a material that can make
Just an FYI:
CERN physicist Dragan Slavkov Hajdukovic has proposed that the illusion of dark
matter may be caused
by the gravitational polarization of the quantum vacuum.
We can consider our universe as a union of two mutually interacting entities,
Hajdukovic said.
The first entity is our
Abd wrote:
But pressure is also important, because, of course, boiling point depends on
pressure. I see no
sign that the actual pressure inside the E-cat was measured directly.
I just read a quote yesterday from Galantini, not sure where, but I think is
may have been on
Passerini's site,
Steven wrote:
This year the convention will be held in Reno, Nevada.
Steven, or any others in the Vort collective that are headed to Reno...
It would be nice to get together one evening...
Cindy and I have lived here for over 20 years, and know where all the good
local places are!
Also,
So, it looks to me like Naudin's playing games with his measurements.
His setup's interesting but I would hesitate to trust a single measurement on
that page.
You guys are pathetic... You're looking for any little discrepancy in other
people's work, and when
you find one, YOU IMMEDIATELY
@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:latest from Naudin on the Orbo
Mark Iverson wrote:
So, it looks to me like Naudin's playing games with his measurements.
His setup's interesting but I would hesitate to trust a single
measurement on that page.
You guys are pathetic... You're looking for any little
FYI:
The New Energy Foundation has just loaded a first round of videos onto its
YouTube channel. The
eventual goal is to upload much of the cold fusion-related video and audio that
founder, the late
Dr. Eugene Mallove, collected over the years. Now showing entire 70 minute
documentary Cold
One data point in support... Or at least heading in that direction.
My mother.
Had c-pox as a kid, had shingles ~age 70, has no short-term memory at this
point... Long term is
reasonably intact.
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hlvee...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday,
He's simply trying to cover his ASS... And give himself a way out.
These people think politically, which is all about how to maintain whatever
level of
power/importance they've achieved...
-Mark
This is really cool...
-Mark
The researchers used a custom-built microscope with an iron-coated tip to
manipulate cobalt atoms
on a plate of manganese. Through scanning tunneling microscopy, the team
repositioned individual
cobalt atoms on a surface that changed the direction of the electrons'
Thanks Steven, I think your level-headed analysis and comments are timely and
on-point.
The only thing I'd like to add to this topic is that any reporter, and
certainly Steve as an
investgative reporter, has more info that is off-the-record that he can't
report on directly, but
that is part
FYI:
Could there also be similar revelations to discover about water and palladium,
or hydrogen and
palladium, that would help to explain LENR? Quote from the article is below:
Basic assumptions about water's adsorption to platinum do not hold true,
Sandia researchers have
found.
They found
Sorry, forgot the link:
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-interaction-platinum-requires-closer.html
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:07 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]: new insights about water's
What I wouldn't give to see Garwin's face when he sees this...
But then, he probably wouldn't believe it even if you spilled the boiling water
on his lap!
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:57 PM
To:
What I wouldn't give to see Garwin's face when he sees this...
But then, he probably wouldn't believe it even if you spilled the boiling water
on his lap!
-Mark
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:57 PM
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Might I provide some different points of view from real-world (i.e., personal)
experiences...
Sometimes decisions are not so clear-cut... I've come to a conclusion in my
life that those who live
by absolutes probably live in a box, or have not been involved in a sufficient
number of
Jones wrote:
Who says that rational science is immune from the soap opera effect of petty
jealousy and
multiple layers of intrigue and 'white lie' dishonesty?
It most definitely is NOT, especially when big $ are at stake...
-Mark
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From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
I've just been reading thru the comments on the Rossi/Focardi website...
Seems this is being watched by the corporate world...
Dr.Kathrine Martinez-Martignoni
January 14th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
GOOD LUCK !!!
I WILL OBSERVE YOU DIRECTLY FROM ZÜRICH (SWITZERLAND).
SINCERELY,
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