In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:19:49 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Efficiency does matter for two reasons.
1) Nickel availability.
2) Global warming.
Nope.
1. Even at very low efficiency this would only require a tiny fraction
of the available
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From: ecat builder [mailto:ecatbuil...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:36 PM
A few quick comments:
Hoyt: Are you sure the electric company will want unsynchronized AC?
That might make the meter run backwards, but it seems
counter-intuitive. Also,
Supercritical CO2 is very interesting in MW sizes, but it doesn't scale down
well to 50kW machines due to high fluid density that makes the compressors
and turbines unfeasably tiny, and very high pressures that make the bearing,
seal and heat exchanger very difficult or impossible to do cheaply.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:36 PM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.comwrote:
Hoyt: Are you sure the electric company will want unsynchronized AC?
I predict that home generators will produce direct current, not AC. DC is
safer because it is less prone to cause electrocution. Electric power
I am afraid household electricity is just not going to get much cheaper -
maybe 20-30% drop, but it probably will drop far more for industry.
The cost of ownership and maintainence of in-house LENR based electrical
power generation will still make it marginal as to whether it is worth
doing.
Most DC appliances use from 5 to 48VDC. Going from one DC voltage to
another is difficult. A friend of mine has a pure solar/battery house
wired for 12VDC, 24VDC, and 120VAC. It is complex and a little
daunting for the average visitor.
A simple low-voltage 48VDC source (like POE 802.3af) would be
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steam engines
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:36 PM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoyt: Are you sure
Nearly 1/3 of energy consumption is spent in transporting energy itself. It
just doesn't make any sense to keep spending money on expensive
infrastructure when it is cheaper to generate your own energy.
For many energy-intensive industries adopting the new technology will be
mandatory. Energy is
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Steam engines
All devices will be self contained with E-ORBO's, M-ORBO's, HephaHeat
heaters or as yet uninvented devices-- no connection to any external
power sources will be needed at all. They'll be AA batteries that last
forever etc.
Induction generators
Am 21.10.2011 18:32, schrieb Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.:
All devices will be self contained with E-ORBO's, M-ORBO's, HephaHeat
heaters or as yet uninvented devices-- no connection to any external
power sources will be needed at all. They'll be AA batteries that last
forever etc.
Dont forget the
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com wrote:
Nearly 1/3 of energy consumption is spent in transporting energy itself.
That figure is a little high. Legacy Transmission and Distribution
systems have a loss factor of about 15%. Today's modernized systems
suffer
21, 2011 7:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steam engines
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:36 PM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoyt: Are you sure the electric company will want unsynchronized AC?
I predict that home generators will produce direct current, not AC
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
I am afraid household electricity is just not going to get much cheaper -
maybe 20-30% drop, but it probably will drop far more for industry.
I disagree.
As I described in my book cost will drop by 60% at first and later by more
than 100%.
Sorry, I couldn't make myself clear enough. 1/3 accounts for all energy
transportation, not only electric power. One must transport coal from mines
to thermoelectric generators, and then electricity to houses and
industries.
How much energy does it take to transport all that coal? Oil? And energy
At 10:04 AM 10/21/2011, Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote:
The
cool new product category is the concept of CHP cogeneration of heat
and power. There is already an industry forming around this for
producing power from concentrated solar or some other high grade heat,
producing electricity for the home,
Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com wrote:
It is very unlikely that those countries with large surplus in oil and/or
coal production would just abandon these energies sources in a short time.
It'll be both available and cheaper. Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Canada,
Norway, Australia, China, Iran,
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Heat-to-cooling is also fairly efficient (I grew up with kerosine-fired
refrigerators).
Ah, but it would not matter if it was terribly inefficient, because the heat
will cost nothing. As long as your refrigerator does not make the rest of
the house
At 10:54 AM 10/21/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This is like suggesting that a nation that happens to have a lot of
silicon to make glass will go on using vacuum tube computers long
after transistors are invented.
Bad analogy : excepting Galium Arsenide, most chips are made up of
Silicon,
Alan J Fletcher wrote:
This is like suggesting that a nation that happens to have a lot of
silicon to make glass will go on using vacuum tube computers long
after transistors are invented.
Bad analogy : excepting Galium Arsenide, most chips are made up of
Silicon, Oxygen and Aluminum ...
On 11-10-21 02:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Here is a containership engine:
http://www.emma-maersk.com/engine/Wartsila_Sulzer_RTA96-C.htm
Very cool!
It appears to be an internal combustion engine, which seems bizarre. I
thought super high scale power was all generated with external
Well, my scenario was thought from a perspective of e-cat technology, not
deuterium-based cold fusion.
And I do agree with almost everything you say about costs. The point is: how
long does it take? Not every family, company nor country is wealth enough to
just give it up on old technology and
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Any idea where the beast is actually
made?
Would you believe Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4
T
Bruno Santos besantos1...@gmail.com wrote:
And I do agree with almost everything you say about costs. The point is:
how long does it take?
That's easy to estimate. It takes 10 years for automobiles, and 20 years for
heating and cooling equipment (HVAC -- heating ventilation and air
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Any idea where the beast is actually
made?
Would you believe Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4
Designed in Finland;
On 11-10-21 03:39 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
Any idea where the beast is actually
made?
Would you believe Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4
No way! That's a surprise, all right!
And the
On 11-10-21 03:45 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
Any idea where the beast is actually
made?
Would you believe Finland?
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Looks to me like yet another Japanese manufacturer which has farmed
manufacturing out to someplace overseas.
Good eye, Stephen. The History Channel says that the engine was
manufactured in Korea:
I wrote:
And I do agree with almost everything you say about costs. The point is:
how long does it take?
That's easy to estimate. It takes 10 years for automobiles, and 20 years
for heating and cooling equipment (HVAC -- heating ventilation and air
conditioning).
Naturally, some cars
I am afraid household electricity is just not going to get much cheaper -
maybe 20-30% drop, but it probably will drop far more for industry.
I disagree.
As I described in my book cost will drop by 60% at first and later by more
than 100%. That is to say, the overall cost of equipment
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
We'll I've worked and researched in the utility electricity, and micro CHP
(combined heat and power) industry off and on over the last 20 years, so if
you want to argue the point you are going to need to justify your
disagreement a whole lot
This is what I call an engine! Now, how can I get it into my hot rod?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steam engines
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr
I wrote:
What do you think it would cost to build a 2 TB hard disk in 1979? It
couldn't be done but if someone did it would cost tens of millions of
dollars. Now it costs $100.
Correction, it would have cost roughly $400 million, in 1979 dollars. That
is based on the cheapest hard disks
A car running on 10kW electric from a cold fusion device connected to
a 5% efficient heat to electric converter (steam or bismut or
whatever) would spit out 200kW of waste heat, that is equivalent to 15
strong patio heaters. Are you really sure, Jed, we don't have to
worry?
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011
Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
A car running on 10kW electric from a cold fusion device connected to
a 5% efficient heat to electric converter (steam or bismut or
whatever) would spit out 200kW of waste heat . . .
That would be a Rube Goldberg machine! Why would you do it
Why would you do it that way?
However you do it, it's hard to beat the 5-10%.
The point is that efficiency does matter.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
A car running on 10kW electric from a cold
In terms of micro turbines, a good fit for the Rossi reactor would be the
supercritical carbon dioxide (S-CO2) Brayton-cycle micro turbines.
The supercritical CO2 Brayton cycle provides the same efficiency as helium
Brayton systems but at a considerably lower temperature (250-300 C). The
S-CO2
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:47:32 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
As I said, efficiency does not matter, but longevity and the lifetime cost
of the equipment does matter. See chapter 14 of my book.
Efficiency does matter for two reasons.
1) Nickel availability.
2) Global
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Efficiency does matter for two reasons.
1) Nickel availability.
2) Global warming.
Nope.
1. Even at very low efficiency this would only require a tiny fraction
of the available nickel in the world. That is assuming it does not
rapidly transmit the nickel into
Thanks for the responses everyone.
A few quick comments:
Hoyt: Are you sure the electric company will want unsynchronized AC?
That might make the meter run backwards, but it seems
counter-intuitive. Also, $200K/year might be today's price, but that
number should quickly approach zero. Once a
Thanks for all the interesting links. I hope to research more types such as
Stirling engines and more small turbines.
Here in the Phoenix Arizona US area I calculated a 1 megawatt electrical
generator would yield US$200,000 per year by analyzing the state tariffs
( It'll be fun sending bills to
These links are for piston steam engines. I believe small turbines, or
MicroTurbines as they are called, are a better solution. Capstone and
others are developing them.
- Jed
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From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 6:21 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steam engines
These links are for piston steam engines. I believe small turbines, or
MicroTurbines as they are called, are a better solution. Capstone and others
-Micro-turbines (capstone et al) have low efficiency compressor and turbines
and under 100kW probably won't work at all until the temperatures are
600°C, and then only with very low efficiency (15%). MW scale might get
up to 20%.
-Micro steam turbines are very inefficient, (steam's high specific
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
-Micro-turbines (capstone et al) have low efficiency compressor and turbines
and under 100kW probably won't work at all until the temperatures are
600°C, and then only with very low efficiency (15%).
I have heard that a Rossi reactor can go to
I've been collecting a few links to steam engines available on the net
so that I'm ready when the e-cat's begin shipping. =)
Here is an interesting one-- a very small 10HP model ($2K)
http://www.greensteamengine.com/
Plans, full units, and licensing available.
A much larger one puts out just
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